Re: Pentax Sighting

2015-10-25 Thread steve harley
On 2015-10-24 22:05 , P.J. Alling wrote: I'm watching the episode of the TV series Bones and guest star Betty White is using what appears to be a Storm Trooper K-30. Just thought I'd share. watched this episode on TiVo tonight; since i was forewarned, i phone-cammed screenshots of the debadge

November PUG - a bit of a Hiccup

2015-10-25 Thread Brian Walters
If anyone has been trying to submit for the November PUG in the last few days, you will have found that the submission form isn't working - and neither is the main PUG website. Unfortunately the server had some technical problem due to a power problem in the area. The extent of the problem is bei

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread knarf
I'm merely expressing an opinion, Dan. I'm not telling you or anyone else what to do. I've never claimed to have taste and believe me, I'm hardly virtuous. LOL! Cheers, frank On October 25, 2015 10:58:11 PM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: >On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 4:30 PM, knarf >wrote:

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 4:30 PM, knarf wrote: > There are some places that it's best tourists ~not~ go to. Well, It's goo that we of the unwashed masses have men of taste and virtue to tell us where we should and should not go. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PD

Re: GESO, fall colour walk

2015-10-25 Thread ann sanfedele
Not "too bad about the overcast" to me. Definitely good for macros as Ken notes (Don't imagine since it was a photo walk with a number of others that he could take a lot of time on them though) Dave, I like the colorshots much better than the BW except for the funny sign shot and that building

Re: GESO, fall colour walk

2015-10-25 Thread Rick Womer
Nice colors, Dave. Unless one can get the leaves backlit, I think overcast works best. About the presentation: The small size is way too small, and the large size has lots of jpg compression jaggies. Look at 7713 at full size, for example; it looks as though aluminum or carbon-fiber-eating term

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread knarf
Does that make Crazy Horse a Brony? Cheers, frank On October 25, 2015 8:55:22 PM EDT, Bob W-PDML wrote: >Only just looked at this picture. The horse looks like My Little Pony. >Revolting. > >B > >> On 25 Oct 2015, at 22:35, steve harley wrote: >> >>> On 2015-10-24 10:03 , Donald Guthrie wrote

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
Yeah, aesthetically it leaves a lot to be desired. Paul via phone > On Oct 25, 2015, at 8:55 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: > > Only just looked at this picture. The horse looks like My Little Pony. > Revolting. > > B > >>> On 25 Oct 2015, at 22:35, steve harley wrote: >>> >>> On 2015-10-24 10:03 ,

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread Bob W-PDML
Only just looked at this picture. The horse looks like My Little Pony. Revolting. B > On 25 Oct 2015, at 22:35, steve harley wrote: > >> On 2015-10-24 10:03 , Donald Guthrie wrote: >> On the subject of statues carved out of the hillside this one is among the >> controversial set. Is it the hop

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread steve harley
On 2015-10-25 14:44 , knarf wrote: So-called ecotourism is having an impact on pristine areas of rain forests and other sensitive areas, all so rich Western folk can get up close and personal with orangutans (to use one example). ecotourism is meant to be an alternative to more destructive pr

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread steve harley
On 2015-10-24 10:03 , Donald Guthrie wrote: On the subject of statues carved out of the hillside this one is among the controversial set. Is it the hopeless dream that will be never completed, another hideous artwork, or a great tribute to Native Americans who have blessed the project. It is bein

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread steve harley
On 2015-10-25 14:49 , P.J. Alling wrote: Based on the track records, Governments are a poor choice to make such decisions. I think the Navaho would say the Government should go to Hell based on recent events on their reservation. A mining company would never have made such a stupid mistake and

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread Bob W-PDML
So far anyway > On 25 Oct 2015, at 20:15, knarf wrote: > > Nature always "wins". One way or the other... > > Cheers, > > frank > >> On October 25, 2015 2:47:17 PM EDT, Jack Davis wrote: >> Time will eventually replace it all. >> >> J >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Oct 25, 2015, at 1

Re: The solar system, in scale

2015-10-25 Thread steve harley
On 2015-10-25 14:58 , Larry Colen wrote: This video is seven minutes that is very well spent: http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2015/10/01/every-solar-system-image-youve-ever-seen-is-wrong-till-now/ yeah, that looks like it was fun to build when i lived in Boulder i always appreciated my

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread P.J. Alling
Technically that may be true, in reality this is what happens. On 10/25/2015 4:58 PM, knarf wrote: That's not a government decision or policy gone awry, it's an error made by a government employee or agent in the implementation of an action. That horrendous situation says nothing to whether th

Re: The solar system, in scale

2015-10-25 Thread P.J. Alling
In fact this one, which someone helpfuly posted on that very webpage http://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html On 10/25/2015 5:02 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Oops, I forgot to put OT in the subject. It isn't Pentax related, and only photography related in that cameras were us

Re: The solar system, in scale

2015-10-25 Thread P.J. Alling
Well, I've already played with an interactive version, there's an awful lot of empty space in space. On 10/25/2015 4:58 PM, Larry Colen wrote: This video is seven minutes that is very well spent: http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2015/10/01/every-solar-system-image-youve-ever-seen-is-wron

Re: Bracketing on the K-3

2015-10-25 Thread Larry Colen
Paul Stenquist wrote: I used to bracket half stops when I shot transparency film. I don't bracket with digital. I can fix a half stop miss in rendering quite easily. I bracket at 1.3 to 2 stops. I've been doing it for years in anticipation of doing HDR. I've almost always been able to mas

Re: The solar system, in scale

2015-10-25 Thread Larry Colen
Oops, I forgot to put OT in the subject. It isn't Pentax related, and only photography related in that cameras were used, but I'm quite sure that several people on the list will appreciate it. Larry Colen wrote: This video is seven minutes that is very well spent: http://phenomena.nationalgeo

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread knarf
That's not a government decision or policy gone awry, it's an error made by a government employee or agent in the implementation of an action. That horrendous situation says nothing to whether the government is the best organ to protect the environment or to make decisions regarding it. Cheers,

The solar system, in scale

2015-10-25 Thread Larry Colen
This video is seven minutes that is very well spent: http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2015/10/01/every-solar-system-image-youve-ever-seen-is-wrong-till-now/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listin

Re: Bracketing on the K-3

2015-10-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
I used to bracket half stops when I shot transparency film. I don't bracket with digital. I can fix a half stop miss in rendering quite easily. Paul via phone > On Oct 25, 2015, at 4:42 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > I just noticed something about the K-3, it has a feature that I've been > wanti

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread P.J. Alling
Based on the track records, Governments are a poor choice to make such decisions. I think the Navaho would say the Government should go to Hell based on recent events on their reservation. A mining company would never have made such a stupid mistake and if they had they could be sued. http:

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread knarf
The most obvious answer regarding Paris, London and Rome is that they're huge urban areas with an infrastructure in place to handle tourists. No doubt they're a net benefit to those cities. The Pyramids have been a tourist destination for long enough that whatever ecological damage that's going

Bracketing on the K-3

2015-10-25 Thread Larry Colen
I just noticed something about the K-3, it has a feature that I've been wanting for ages, the value being changed when bracketing depends on the exposure mode. In TAv it changes sensitivity, in Tv aperture, in Av and M shutter speed. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) --

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread Brian Walters
I have to admit I've never understood why anyone would want to desecrate a natural formation like Mt Rushmore in that way. But, I'm Australian so what would I know... When we were in the USA in 2013 we were about three hours drive of Mt Rushmore but none of us had any interest or desire to visit.

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread knarf
I was being ironic. I neither meant nor said it. There are some places that it's best tourists ~not~ go to. I'm not sure but the Black Hills may be one such place. I was initially reacting to Bob's post, merely pointing out that tourism isn't always a good thing. Tourism ~in and of itself~ is n

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread knarf
I'm not a "let the government do everything" type of guy (despite a general perception to the contrary). I am against a pervasive government interfering in our day-to-day lives. But who better than the government to decide on environmental and land use issues like this? And if not the governmen

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread knarf
Nature always "wins". One way or the other... Cheers, frank On October 25, 2015 2:47:17 PM EDT, Jack Davis wrote: >Time will eventually replace it all. > >J > >Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 25, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Paul Stenquist > wrote: >> >> By extension one could argue that the cave painti

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread John
Might have been what you meant, but it's *NOT* what you wrote. On 10/25/2015 2:08 PM, knarf wrote: That's EXACTLY what I said, Paul. It's either "tourism everywhere" or "tourism nowhere". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma Cheers, frank On October 25, 2015 1:45:14 PM EDT, Paul St

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread John
Tourists go to Paris for the Eiffel Tower; London for Big Ben; Rome for the Colosseum. They go to Egypt for the pyramids & the Spinx. Tourism provides a significant revenue in each of those places. Why should the Dakotas be denied? On 10/25/2015 12:38 PM, knarf wrote: Is bringing tourists out

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread John
Don't lump me in with those who consider it a desecration of nature. Bob pointed out that it had "brought thousands (millions) out to look at the Black Hills" and I noted encouraging tourism was the original purpose for which it was intended, and that seems to have worked. I would like to see mo

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread Bill
On 10/25/2015 12:25 PM, knarf wrote: The Government should decide. Ouch. I hope not. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread Jack Davis
Time will eventually replace it all. J Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 25, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > By extension one could argue that the cave paintings of early humans > desecrated nature. Mankind leaves it's mark and writes a history for better > or worse. It's the way of

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread Jack Davis
I would think the Gov. has long since made it's decision in support of continuing with the project "as long as it's financially feasible." J Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 25, 2015, at 11:25 AM, knarf wrote: > > The Government should decide. > > Cheers, > > frank > >> On October 25

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread knarf
The Government should decide. Cheers, frank On October 25, 2015 2:20:11 PM EDT, Paul Stenquist wrote: >Who should make the assessment? Evidently both Rushmore and Crazy Horse >were judged worthy. > >Paul via phone > >> On Oct 25, 2015, at 1:57 PM, knarf wrote: >> >> Slippery slope argument

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
Who should make the assessment? Evidently both Rushmore and Crazy Horse were judged worthy. Paul via phone > On Oct 25, 2015, at 1:57 PM, knarf wrote: > > Slippery slope argument Paul. Won't work. > > Of course, every human activity, indeed every activity of every thing, has an > ecological

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
No, you asked if we wanted tourists in the Dakotas. Although I confess to not having read the entire thread. Busy doing laundry. Paul via phone > On Oct 25, 2015, at 2:08 PM, knarf wrote: > > That's EXACTLY what I said, Paul. It's either "tourism everywhere" or > "tourism nowhere". > > https

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread knarf
That's EXACTLY what I said, Paul. It's either "tourism everywhere" or "tourism nowhere". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma Cheers, frank On October 25, 2015 1:45:14 PM EDT, Paul Stenquist wrote: >Are tourists desirable anywhere? We could all stay in our rooms with >shades drawn.

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread knarf
Slippery slope argument Paul. Won't work. Of course, every human activity, indeed every activity of every thing, has an ecological impact. We need to assess each activity individually and decide if the impact is desirable or not, irrespective of what other impacts have occurred at other places

Re: GESO, fall colour walk

2015-10-25 Thread David J Brooks
Good idea Ken On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Ken Waller wrote: > With light like that, I would have concentrated on macro/close ups. > > > -Original Message- >>From: David J Brooks > >>Subject: Re: GESO, fall colour walk >> >>On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Jack Davis wrote: >>> Nice

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
Are tourists desirable anywhere? We could all stay in our rooms with shades drawn. Paul via phone > On Oct 25, 2015, at 12:38 PM, knarf wrote: > > Is bringing tourists out there desirable? > > Cheers, > > frank > >> On October 24, 2015 5:40:43 PM EDT, Bob Sullivan >> wrote: >> Ann, >> Y

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
By extension one could argue that the cave paintings of early humans desecrated nature. Mankind leaves it's mark and writes a history for better or worse. It's the way of the world. Paul via phone > On Oct 25, 2015, at 11:59 AM, John wrote: > > According to Wikipedia, encouraging tourism was

Re: GESO, fall colour walk

2015-10-25 Thread Ken Waller
With light like that, I would have concentrated on macro/close ups. -Original Message- >From: David J Brooks >Subject: Re: GESO, fall colour walk > >On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Jack Davis wrote: >> Nice shots, David! Too bad about the overcast. >> >> J > >Thanks. As Charles Braswe

Re: GESO, fall colour walk

2015-10-25 Thread Ken Waller
Nice captures Dave, I especially like your take on the 'roots'. -Original Message- >From: David J Brooks >Subject: GESO, fall colour walk > >I re upped to our local camera club for this year. I had taken a year >off, but missed the monthly outings, and since i have been unable to >motiva

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread knarf
Is bringing tourists out there desirable? Cheers, frank On October 24, 2015 5:40:43 PM EDT, Bob Sullivan wrote: >Ann, >You need to get over it. >The sculpture has brought thousands (millions) out to look at the Black >Hills. >Otherwise, folks would never go there. >Regards, Bob S. > >On Sat,

Re: Full Frame Fresh Pics

2015-10-25 Thread P.J. Alling
On 10/25/2015 10:59 AM, John wrote: On 10/24/2015 1:03 PM, John Francis wrote: On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 11:10:12AM -0500, Darren Addy wrote: Has anybody commented on the "crop" setting on the top right center dial? I'm guessing that this is a way to keep DA lenses relevant on the Full Frame.

Re: Geso Crazy Horse in the Black Hills

2015-10-25 Thread John
According to Wikipedia, encouraging tourism was the original reason for creating it. On 10/24/2015 5:40 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Ann, You need to get over it. The sculpture has brought thousands (millions) out to look at the Black Hills. Otherwise, folks would never go there. Regards, Bob S.

Re: GESO, fall colour walk

2015-10-25 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 25/10/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: >I re upped to our local camera club for this year. I had taken a year >off, but missed the monthly outings, and since i have been unable to >motivate my self, i have decided to let others do that for me.:-) >Did a fall colour walk in the Ro

Re: PSEO: Zombies!

2015-10-25 Thread P.J. Alling
I've been to both, and it's just the vibe. The headline that always starts "Florida Man..." followed by an incident that's either head scratchingly stupid or weird also helps. Not to mention the couple of cases of assailants attempting to eat their victims faces while hopped up on "bath salts

Re: PSEO: Zombies!

2015-10-25 Thread John
Cofe! On 10/24/2015 7:41 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: When I was a student we looked like that all the time. B On 24 Oct 2015, at 23:56, Mark Roberts wrote: Every Halloween we get a group of students to pose for zombie photos which we make into posters for display at the college Halloween

Re: PSEO: Zombies!

2015-10-25 Thread John
Why Arkansas or Florida? On 10/24/2015 7:16 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: And here I always thought the Zombie Apocalypse would begin in Arkansas or Florida. On 10/24/2015 6:55 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Every Halloween we get a group of students to pose for zombie photos which we make into posters for

Re: PSEO: Zombies!

2015-10-25 Thread Bill
On 10/24/2015 4:55 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Every Halloween we get a group of students to pose for zombie photos which we make into posters for display at the college Halloween bash. One of my colleagues in the Art & Graphic Design Department designs the make-up, assisted by various students in th

Re: Full Frame Fresh Pics

2015-10-25 Thread John
On 10/24/2015 1:03 PM, John Francis wrote: On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 11:10:12AM -0500, Darren Addy wrote: Has anybody commented on the "crop" setting on the top right center dial? I'm guessing that this is a way to keep DA lenses relevant on the Full Frame. I'd have thought that the camera would

Re: GESO, fall colour walk

2015-10-25 Thread David J Brooks
still some good colour east of me into Durham. Photo ride later maybe On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: > Those are lovely, Dave. Besides regular doggy strolls, I haven't > gotten out for a fall walk at all so far. Some of the most brilliant > colour is already fading. > > On

Re: GESO, fall colour walk

2015-10-25 Thread Bruce Walker
Those are lovely, Dave. Besides regular doggy strolls, I haven't gotten out for a fall walk at all so far. Some of the most brilliant colour is already fading. On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 8:26 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > I re upped to our local camera club for this year. I had taken a year > off, but

Re: PESO - A Single Among Couples

2015-10-25 Thread knarf
I don't think it's an abstract either, but it's a striking piece. I love the geometry and colours. Cheers, frank frank On October 25, 2015 12:50:24 AM EDT, Marco Alpert wrote: >Personally, I’m not sure I’d characterize it as an abstract, but a very >pleasing image nonetheless. > >m > >On Oct

Re: GESO, fall colour walk

2015-10-25 Thread David J Brooks
I think we were about a week late. On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 9:05 AM, knarf wrote: > Nice shots, Dave. > > Looks like your walk missed the peak of colours but you made the best of it. > > Cheers, > > frank > > On October 25, 2015 8:26:19 AM EDT, David J Brooks > wrote: >>I re upped to our local c

Re: Pentax Sighting

2015-10-25 Thread knarf
We don't have cable or broadcast TV (now that it's gone digital our rabbit ears are gone). I'll take your word for it. Betty White is still working? That's amazing. Cheers, frank On October 25, 2015 12:05:58 AM EDT, "P.J. Alling" wrote: >I'm watching the episode of the TV series Bones and g

Re: GESO, fall colour walk

2015-10-25 Thread knarf
Nice shots, Dave. Looks like your walk missed the peak of colours but you made the best of it. Cheers, frank On October 25, 2015 8:26:19 AM EDT, David J Brooks wrote: >I re upped to our local camera club for this year. I had taken a year >off, but missed the monthly outings, and since i have

Re: GESO, fall colour walk

2015-10-25 Thread knarf
I'm sure Charles said it but Hugh Morton said it first. I doubt the late Mr. Morton was the first to say it but I'll attribute it to him. LOL! Cheers, frank On October 25, 2015 8:51:21 AM EDT, David J Brooks wrote: > >Thanks. As Charles Braswell once said, "bad weather makes for good >phot

Re: GESO, fall colour walk

2015-10-25 Thread David J Brooks
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Jack Davis wrote: > Nice shots, David! Too bad about the overcast. > > J Thanks. As Charles Braswell once said, "bad weather makes for good photos." Dave > > - Original Message - > From: "David J Brooks" > To: "Pentax Discuss" > Sent: Sunday, October 25

Re: GESO, fall colour walk

2015-10-25 Thread Jack Davis
Nice shots, David! Too bad about the overcast. J - Original Message - From: "David J Brooks" To: "Pentax Discuss" Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 5:26:19 AM Subject: GESO, fall colour walk I re upped to our local camera club for this year. I had taken a year off, but missed the monthly

GESO, fall colour walk

2015-10-25 Thread David J Brooks
I re upped to our local camera club for this year. I had taken a year off, but missed the monthly outings, and since i have been unable to motivate my self, i have decided to let others do that for me.:-) Did a fall colour walk in the Rouge valley woodlands trail Saturday with about 8 others. Easy

Re: Pentax Sighting

2015-10-25 Thread David J Brooks
saw the episode, but missed that On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 12:05 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: > I'm watching the episode of the TV series Bones and guest star Betty White > is using what appears to be a Storm Trooper K-30. Just thought I'd share. > > -- > I don't want to achieve immortality through my w