On 5/9/11 at 3:08 PM, pentaxl...@gmail.com (Thibouille) wrote:
2011/5/9 Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com:
On 11-05-09 2:46 PM, Eric Weir wrote:
Anyone have any suggestions for a simple processing step
in Lightroom 3 I
could apply to the collection that would improve the quality of the
).
Hope it helps,
.t
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From: Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:56 AM
Subject: Re: Processing high ISO images in LR3
On 5/9/11 at 3:08 PM, pentaxl...@gmail.com (Thibouille) wrote:
2011/5/9
Over the weekend I shot several hundred images of an
elementary/middle school musical theater rehearsal and
performance. Needless to say, the light was not very good, and I
shot at the highest ISO my camera [*ist DS] is capable of
[3200]. The images are very noisy. There isn't anything of even
On 11-05-09 2:46 PM, Eric Weir wrote:
Over the weekend I shot several hundred images of an elementary/middle
school musical theater rehearsal and performance. Needless to say, the
light was not very good, and I shot at the highest ISO my camera [*ist
DS] is capable of [3200]. The images are
Luminance and chroma NR of LR3 should render those usable.
2011/5/9 Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com:
On 11-05-09 2:46 PM, Eric Weir wrote:
Over the weekend I shot several hundred images of an elementary/middle
school musical theater rehearsal and performance. Needless to say, the light
Joe,
Don't take it personally. I certainly didn't mean it that way. You just
happened to provide the post that made me want to reply to =all= the
worriers. I consider you a valuable member and am always glad to see
your photos, especially the ones featuring decaying structures.
But you do
Unfortunately there is something there, The whites aren't pure white.
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Are you viewing them @ 100%?
I DL'd one of the images that people said contained moire, but viewing @
100% I didn't see any.
Shel
[Original Message]
From: Joseph Tainter
Links here:
Thanks, Doug. Peace.
What I mean by Pentax guys is the employees of the national/regional
importers, like Pentax USA. The ones from Pentax USA usually disclose
little, but others are not so reticent. Some of the first photos we saw
of the K10D were unofficial ones from Russia. Those
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Joseph Tainter wrote:
What I mean by Pentax guys is the employees of the national/regional
importers, like Pentax USA. The ones from Pentax USA usually disclose
little, but others are not so reticent.
What this means is that Doug's statement below does not highlight an
I should have included that it's more than just chromatic noise since I
do detect a pattern at full res.
P. J. Alling wrote:
Unfortunately there is something there, The whites aren't pure white.
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Are you viewing them @ 100%?
I DL'd one of the images that people said
White not being pure white is not moire. Often when a white shows traces
of another color, it's a reflection of that other color, or the area has a
different color temp. It's got nothing to do with moire.
Shel
[Original Message]
From: P. J. Alling
Unfortunately there is something there,
the advantage of shake reduction. We just don't know,
because Pentax won't show us high ISO images. So we grab what's
available and worry about what we see there.
I just don't get the recent fad where high ISO performance is the holy grail
of photography. Until quite recently hardly anyone shot anything
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Pål Jensen
I just don't get the recent fad where high ISO performance is
the holy grail
of photography. Until quite recently hardly anyone shot
anything faster than
400ISO and managed quite
On 20/10/06, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Huh? Pentax seems to be the best company out there regarding communicating
with their customers. Who else are announcing their cameras and lenses up to
a year before they hit the market? Surely we are not let to grope around in
the dark. Now we
On Oct 19, 2006, at 4:45 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:
I don't know if you still have your inside contact but for the rest
of use the information flow is limited, interrupted, confusing and yes
they may provide information before release but what's the value in
that when the products are
On 20/10/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't have any inside contacts. I also don't think Pentax is
doing a bad job of letting users know what they're planning ... I
don't see any other companies producing an annual Lens Roadmap.
Nikon and Canon, the two leading makes in
On Oct 19, 2006, at 6:54 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:
I can honestly say that I've never returned a purchase because I've
made the wrong decision when there is absolutely nothing wrong with
the product. I guess that's why I haven't pre-ordered and why I'm very
keen to see high ISO RAW
I agree. I won't know how much I like or dislike the K10D until I
process some images and view them on my monitor. We all have our own
reference points. Anything else is meaningless.
Paul
On Oct 19, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Oct 19, 2006, at 6:54 PM, Digital Image Studio
I don't think high ISO is trivial. Umpteen zillion shooting modes each
of which needs a multi page manual to explain why they're needed is trivial.
Bob W wrote:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Pål Jensen
I just don't get the recent
At 01:26 PM 18/10/2006, Doug Brewer wrote:
Good grief, it's a freakin camera. It's not like it's the cure for
cancer.
I've got my suspicions that the EM field given off by the shake reduction
system could cause cancer.
Which, IMO, is an even better reason not to get the K10D.
vbg
Dave
--
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Joseph Tainter wrote:
This moire business is starting to get my attention. Four K10D images
downloaded today, four images producing noticeable moire. I don't see
such problems with images from my *istD.
Are you shooting JPG on the -D? I am not a digi-man (because I don't
Good one Doug!
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:26:57 -0400, Doug Brewer wrote:
Well, the first thing we need to do is panic.
:-)
After that, let's catch our collective breath and realize that Pentax
has been putting out cameras for a number of years, and every one of
those cameras has been able to
On 18/10/06, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tell ya what I plan to do. I plan to get hold of the K10D, look it
over, run it through some field tests, and decide what I like and
don't like about it. Then I'll decide if what I don't like about it
outweighs what I do like about it, and go
Are you viewing them @ 100%?
I DL'd one of the images that people said contained moire, but viewing @
100% I didn't see any.
Shel
[Original Message]
From: Joseph Tainter
Links here:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=20503865
The usual caveats apply. It is
If when changing size the moire comes and goes, then it's not the image
itself but, rather, the combination of the screen resolution and how the
image interacts with at, as Bruce has suggested. You must always view the
images @ 100% to fully appreciate the content. At least that's been my
Would that others on the list be so relaxed and sensible in their
evaluations and in their messages.
Personally, based on the awful things that have been predicted of the
camera, which in turn are based on ignorance and early, preproduction
cameras and firmware, and tests made by unknown people
It would, depending on the type of cancer. Once again, you're working with
incomplete information. Of course, you can just not use SR.
BTW (in all seriousness), I read that the sound created by the new, as yet
to be seen and tested, ultrasonic motor lenses can upset the sonar in a
certain type
I'm not going to spend a lot of time on hand wringing nonsense. But I
downloaded one. No moire on my Apple Cinema Display. Some noise, but
not objectionable for high ISO. Better than the D if this is 1600. I
sharpened until it was oversharpened in Photoshop. All I saw were
sharpening
Quoting Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Well, the first thing we need to do is panic.
Right. On my way out the door now.
Tell ya what I plan to do. I plan to get hold of the K10D, look it
over, run it through some field tests, and decide what I like and
don't like about it. Then I'll
Joseph Tainter wrote:
Follow-up: I thought maybe I could post an image showing the problem. I
can get the moire to show up in these images. But if I change the size
of the image onscreen, the moire comes and goes. So I still don't know
whether the problem comes from my display or the
: Re: High ISO Images
Doug Brewer wrote:
Tell ya what I plan to do. I plan to get hold of the K10D, look it
over, run it through some field tests, and decide what I like and
don't like about it. Then I'll decide if what I don't like about it
outweighs what I do like about it, and go from
Doug Brewer wrote:
Tell ya what I plan to do. I plan to get hold of the K10D, look it
over, run it through some field tests, and decide what I like and
don't like about it. Then I'll decide if what I don't like about it
outweighs what I do like about it, and go from there.
Very
No moiré here on my LCD display.
2006/10/18, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Follow-up: I thought maybe I could post an image showing the problem. I
can get the moire to show up in these images. But if I change the size
of the image onscreen, the moire comes and goes. So I still don't know
In a message dated 10/17/2006 9:15:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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Maybe that's why camera delivery is delayed.
Marnie aka Doe
=
Right, this is the PDML where this is all very serious.
Hey, on the above?, I forgot to put on my smiley.
Marnie aka Doe ;-)
On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 08:57:43AM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:
Doug Brewer wrote:
Tell ya what I plan to do. I plan to get hold of the K10D, look it
over, run it through some field tests, and decide what I like and
don't like about it. Then I'll decide if what I don't like about it
On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 08:01:54AM -0400, David J Brooks wrote:
Quoting Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
All of my dslr's behave diffrently in various situations. D1 has
magenta cast problems,the D2H, well lets not go there . . .
Indeed. Last night I was at the annual awards dinner at the
How anyone can engage in any hand-wringing at all is a mystery to me.
It doesn't have an aperture simulator
;+}
Kenneth Waller
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From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: High ISO Images
Doug Brewer wrote:
Tell ya what I plan to do. I plan to get hold
On 10/18/06, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, the first thing we need to do is panic.
Hey! This is the PDML. There is no room here for a voice of reason.
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One of our clients is a big American bank. Last year I was on a
conference call with them during a bit of a flap and they asked me
what we should do.
The first thing we do, I said, is sit down and have a nice cup of
tea.
The burst of laughter that came down the phone nearly blew the
speakers,
out a
camera with a 10 mp sensor that will not yield very good images at high
ISO, or even moderate ISO, thereby in some shooting situations partly or
wholly canceling the advantage of shake reduction. We just don't know,
because Pentax won't show us high ISO images. So we grab what's
available
. We just don't know,
because Pentax won't show us high ISO images. So we grab what's
available and worry about what we see there.
I hope I'm wrong. I want the K10D to be a good camera, Doug. That's
why
I worry that in some important ways it might not be.
Some people worry. Some don't. I'm
Links here:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=20503865
The usual caveats apply. It is firmware version 0.20--but then so were
the high ISO prints that Pentax just showed. Perhaps more importantly,
we don't know what the hardware was--experimental or final.
When I
In a message dated 10/17/2006 9:00:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This moire business is starting to get my attention. Four K10D images
downloaded today, four images producing noticeable moire. I don't see
such problems with images from my *istD.
What's going on here?
Joe,
How are you viewing them? The particular viewer/screen combination
when you are viewing at less than 1:1 can produce the effect even
though it is not inherent in the image. Perhaps the higher pixel
count in the images makes it happen more often on your setup than your
*istD.
Certain
Joe,
How are you viewing them? The particular viewer/screen combination
when you are viewing at less than 1:1 can produce the effect even
though it is not inherent in the image. Perhaps the higher pixel
count in the images makes it happen more often on your setup than your
*istD.
Certain
Follow-up: I thought maybe I could post an image showing the problem. I
can get the moire to show up in these images. But if I change the size
of the image onscreen, the moire comes and goes. So I still don't know
whether the problem comes from my display or the camera. But I never saw
this
Well, the first thing we need to do is panic.
After that, let's catch our collective breath and realize that Pentax
has been putting out cameras for a number of years, and every one of
those cameras has been able to take usable photos. They've had three
years since the istD came out to
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