Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-05 Thread mike wilson
From: Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/04 Fri PM 04:34:05 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's me. Or, rather, the eight

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-05 Thread mike wilson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adobe, unfortunately, is pretty good at the time expiration thing. Better than most. It's even better at the Price -- acute indigestion/heart attack sort of thing. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email

RE: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-05 Thread Bob W
Adobe, unfortunately, is pretty good at the time expiration thing. Better than most. It's even better at the Price -- acute indigestion/heart attack sort of thing. Lightroom is much cheaper than Photoshop, and far better in my opinion for photographers. I never really got on

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: Lightroom 2.0 beta Lightroom is much cheaper than Photoshop, and far better in my opinion for photographers. I never really got on with Photoshop, and I haven't used it at all since I bought Lightroom, but I've used Lightroom a lot. I

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-05 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/5/2008 2:25:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lightroom is much cheaper than Photoshop, and far better in my opinion for photographers. I never really got on with Photoshop, and I haven't used it at all since I bought Lightroom, but I've used

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-05 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 10:24:53AM +0100, Bob W wrote: Adobe, unfortunately, is pretty good at the time expiration thing. Better than most. It's even better at the Price -- acute indigestion/heart attack sort of thing. Lightroom is much cheaper than Photoshop, and

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-05 Thread Tim Øsleby
Me too, except that I picked up Lightroom for nothing. Or to be accurate, I got a free license since I already was a RSP user. That's what I call a good deal :-) I haven't tested 2.0 yet. I better get my new puter up running properly first. MaritimTim 2008/4/5, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-05 Thread Brian Walters
On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 14:53:30 -0400, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: About the only thing I couldn't do without using an external editor was selective editing to just part of an image, and LR 2.0 apparently has that. Ah - if Lightroom 2 has selective editing I might take a look at the

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread AlunFoto
Couldn't make the sound work from this PC, but it seems like a reversed Coca-cola Light Break... Jostein 2008/4/4 Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Although my new one might be Woolfhardisworthy. Mike: Is this an adjective for that famous British Wolf

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread mike wilson
From: Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/03 Thu PM 10:30:00 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Although my new one might

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread mike wilson
From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/03 Thu PM 10:53:58 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:30:00PM -0500, Christine Aguila wrote: Apparently, a construction company

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
If you do a validation of a set of files that you know to be good and generate a checksum, then run the validation again at another time ... and the checksums match ... the files are good. If this weren't true, there would be no point to file validation. Godfrey On Apr 3, 2008, at 2:05 PM,

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Christine Aguila
- Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] All the words I mentioned are names. Mike: I know that--and I followed the link. I guess I forgot the ;-)--the wink, wink, winkicon. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread mike wilson
From: Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/04 Fri PM 02:41:26 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] All the words I mentioned

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/3/2008 2:11:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Godfrey, My point of view is that you haven't validated that you can recover your pictures from the data until you actually do such, or at least do a sample. To say the bits and bites are all the same

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/4/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: I guess I forgot the ;-)--the wink, wink, winkicon You have an LX? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Christine Aguila
- Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's me. Or, rather, the eight days of two hours sleep. The five second micronaps aren't working. King Zombie I'll send you the link to my online photo gallery--that'll put you right to sleep ;-). Seriously, get some

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Christine Aguila
of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta On 4/4/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: I guess I forgot the ;-)--the wink, wink, winkicon You have an LX? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/4/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm sorry to say, I don't get the point of the question here. camera? car? large-sized winkicon? having-a-brain-fart-in-Chicago, Christine Soyou've never actually owned an LX then...? You've never actually experienced that, ahhh,

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 4, 2008, at 8:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have storage paranoia like you do. Probably the best thing to do is, back up to CDs/DVDs, two copies, keep on hard disk. Then go in in one to three months or so and see if one can get photos off CDs/DVDs. In the past week or two

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread David Savage
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he feeling that everything is alright with the world, nothing is too much? E... Dave :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML,

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread P. J. Alling
Subject: Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta On 4/4/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: I guess I forgot the ;-)--the wink, wink, winkicon You have an LX? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/4/2008 10:01:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Usually, for me, if a disc is bad, it is bad from the beginning. That's why you should *always* run a verification/validation pass immediately after burning a CD/DVD, and make at least two

RE: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Bob W
Well, actually, Godfrey, not sure how to do a verification/validation pass. And you can't help, as you're Mac and I am PC. Marnie aka Doe :-) A read-after-write check should be built into the hardware (albeit switchable from the operating system). Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta Well, actually, Godfrey, not sure how to do a verification/validation pass. And you can't help, as you're Mac and I am PC. I know Nero can be told to verify the data

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Bran Everseeking
On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:22:33 +0100 Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, actually, Godfrey, not sure how to do a verification/validation pass. And you can't help, as you're Mac and I am PC. Marnie aka Doe :-) well both are PC's really. I add another confusion as i run Ubuntu

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Charles Robinson
On Apr 4, 2008, at 13:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, actually, Godfrey, not sure how to do a verification/ validation pass. And you can't help, as you're Mac and I am PC. Marnie aka Doe :-) Marnie - It really depends upon what you're using to run your backups to disc. But MOST

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Charles Robinson
On Apr 4, 2008, at 14:52, Bran Everseeking wrote: I burn 2 dvds and two sets of CDs as backup each month. One is a straight copy of the originals and edits and the other is a compressed file copy. I also keep copies on my machine and an hidden directory on my son's machine ( he has all

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 4, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: Well, actually, Godfrey, not sure how to do a verification/ validation pass. And you can't help, as you're Mac and I am PC. It really depends upon what you're using to run your backups to disc. But MOST software has an option to

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread P. J. Alling
Don't use the built in software in XP use something like Nero which will automatically verify the burn, if you ask it to. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/4/2008 10:01:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Usually, for me, if a disc is bad, it is bad

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread pnstenquist
In my blissful ignorance, I've always done the verify. I guess that's because I've always used either the apple sofware or toast. Now I use Toast 9 exclusively. It's excellent. In addition to doing he verify, it automatically will pick the best write speed if you allow it that option. On my

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Doug Franklin
Charles Robinson wrote: It really depends upon what you're using to run your backups to disc. But MOST software has an option to immediately do a verify/compare between your source files and the burned disc immediately after the disc is written. Having been burned before, I never

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta In my blissful ignorance, I've always done the verify. I guess that's because I've always used either the apple sofware or toast. Now I use Toast 9 exclusively. It's

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Bran Everseeking
On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:00:59 -0500 Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is your intent to actually COMPRESS files (which, if they're JPEG files, won't really happen) or to just park them inside of some larger file structure which has error-checking and such? -Charles the latter.

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread David Savage
BTW. If any existing Lightroom users feel so inclined, Would you be willing to send me a Lightroom 2 Beta invitation. That way I can try the program out for longer than 30 Days. TIA Cheers, Dave On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:56 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:04 AM 4/04/2008,

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:43 PM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW. If any existing Lightroom users feel so inclined, Would you be willing to send me a Lightroom 2 Beta invitation. That way I can try the program out for longer than 30 Days. Thou shall count to 30, 31 is RIGHT OUT.

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Eactivist
Thanks for all the answers. I think checksums or byte comparisons are best, but I will look into what my software offers. Actually, never done any verification, so anything will probably be better than nothing. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/4/2008 6:44:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW. If any existing Lightroom users feel so inclined, Would you be willing to send me a Lightroom 2 Beta invitation. That way I can try the program out for longer than 30 Days. TIA Cheers, Dave

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread David Savage
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/4/2008 6:44:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW. If any existing Lightroom users feel so inclined, Would you be willing to send me a Lightroom 2 Beta invitation. That way I can

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread David Savage
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 10:44 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:43 PM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW. If any existing Lightroom users feel so inclined, Would you be willing to send me a Lightroom 2 Beta invitation. That way I can

RE: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Henk Terhell
] On Behalf Of Thibouille Sent: woensdag 2 april 2008 12:13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta However, this is currently an early beta (beta 1) and as such really is for testing purpose only (but that multiple monitor support has me very impatient ;) Those

RE: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Bob W
cheap for existing users. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Henk Terhell Sent: 03 April 2008 07:29 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Lightroom 2.0 beta Having just got a new PC, I was about to switch from Elements

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Lightroom 2 is a Public Beta at this point in time, probably reasonably stable but likely to have some bugs. Evaluation period for those without a key is 30 days, for those with a key it's due to expire in August. It is not at present compatible with v1.3.1 catalogs, nor are its metadata

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Cotty
On 2/4/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Wenn ist das Nunstruck git und Slotermeyer? Ja!... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput! ;-) Babelfish translated that as: If the Nunstruck is git and Slotermeyer? !... Beiherhund the or the Flipperwaldt gersput! I think the

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread AlunFoto
R. Radermacher Subject: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of my film scans are stored on CDs, and they still read well. Keep your fingers crossed. I've had serious trouble with a whole bunch of CDRs containing my back-ups of film scan data

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread mike wilson
From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/03 Thu AM 08:19:17 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta At the agency where I work, we received roughly a TB of documentation last year. Loads of DVDs and CDs

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Cotty
On 3/4/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: iterative Holy mackerel, I wish I could say that word. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread mike wilson
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a trifle horrified Mark! - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread David Savage
At 04:47 PM 3/04/2008, Cotty wrote: On 3/4/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: iterative Holy mackerel, I wish I could say that word. I think it's Norwegian for Boring as bat s#!t Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread mike wilson
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/03 Thu AM 08:47:32 GMT To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta On 3/4/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: iterative Holy mackerel, I wish I could say that word. You've got

RE: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen
Babelfish translated that as: If the Nunstruck is git and Slotermeyer? !... Beiherhund the or the Flipperwaldt gersput! I think the Nunstruck is definitely git. I'm done here !! -- Cheers, Cotty Tuo kyllä kuulostaa hyvältä! A-P

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Antti-Pekka Virjonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tuo kyllä kuulostaa hyvältä! Now, that looks familiar. I had the same trouble lately. They said it was the keyboard. Keybounce or what they call it. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage:

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Mark Roberts
Cotty wrote: On 2/4/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Wenn ist das Nunstruck git und Slotermeyer? Ja!... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput! ;-) Babelfish translated that as: If the Nunstruck is git and Slotermeyer? !... Beiherhund the or the Flipperwaldt

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Bob Sullivan
Just try again... On 4/3/08, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/4/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: iterative Holy mackerel, I wish I could say that word. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holy mackerel, I wish I could say that word. Reminds me of the good old days of German coastal radio station Norddeich Radio. One of their routine messages was that owing to severe weather the pilotage in the Elbe and Weser estuary had been *temporarily*

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread AlunFoto
lol yeah... It needs practice... :-) Jostein 2008/4/3, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just try again... On 4/3/08, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/4/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: iterative Holy mackerel, I wish I could say that word. -- Cheers, Cotty

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread P. J. Alling
, a continuous and iterative process. Jostein 2008/4/3, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: Ralf R. Radermacher Subject: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of my film scans are stored on CDs, and they still

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread P. J. Alling
PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/03 Thu AM 08:19:17 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta At the agency where I work, we received roughly a TB of documentation last year. Loads of DVDs and CDs. We've had important documentation

RE: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Bob W
Tuo kyllä kuulostaa hyvältä! A-P Antti-Pekka Virjonen it's an old Finnish proverb - To cool a colostomy, hire Walter. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread AlunFoto
2008/4/3, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 3/4/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: iterative Holy mackerel, I wish I could say that word. Ach, that's easier than aperture. :-) Recently sorted out ascertain, but I'm still struggling with superfluous. The best surprise yet, though, was

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread P. J. Alling
Cotty wrote: On 2/4/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Wenn ist das Nunstruck git und Slotermeyer? Ja!... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput! ;-) Babelfish translated that as: If the Nunstruck is git and Slotermeyer? !... Beiherhund the or the Flipperwaldt

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread mike wilson
From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/03 Thu PM 02:01:44 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta 2008/4/3, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 3/4/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: iterative Holy

RE: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Bob W
iterative Holy mackerel, I wish I could say that word. Ach, that's easier than aperture. :-) Recently sorted out ascertain, but I'm still struggling with superfluous. The best surprise yet, though, was Southwark. :-) Cheers, Jostein I bet they taught you the tourist

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Thibouille
Godfrey, I think I read that those having a key can invite others to join the beta test till august. It won't make LR2 any less beta than it is but it removes the 30 days problem. On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lightroom 2 is a Public Beta at this point

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Put your images into industry-standard formats (TIFF, JPEG, DNG) and archive the files. Upgrade the storage medium as the medium is improved by copying the files. Hard drives are the current standard storage medium. These formats will be around for many many years. You don't have to worry

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Not sure, I've not had time to read all the literature as yet. The boss has been using his whip lately. ;-) Godfrey On Apr 3, 2008, at 9:27 AM, Thibouille wrote: Godfrey, I think I read that those having a key can invite others to join the beta test till august. It won't make LR2 any less

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread AlunFoto
2008/4/3, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I bet they taught you the tourist pronunciation, didn't they! Ha ha - it gets them every time. I love it when tourists ask me how to find their way to 'Suvverk' and 'Lester Square'. I never get tired of that joke. If you really want to impress the locals

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread AlunFoto
The backup heaven is Restore. :-) Jostein 2008/4/3, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I understand the need for archival storage and try to do some. My main fear is the amount of data I manipulate now and will in the future. With a large amounts of data, checking the conditions of the back-up

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Bob Sullivan
I understand the need for archival storage and try to do some. My main fear is the amount of data I manipulate now and will in the future. With a large amounts of data, checking the conditions of the back-up becomes an issue. Some of us have encountered problems where the backup hasn't worked for

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I run a drive/file system validation utility about once every month or two on my archives. It's too much work to do that frequently on the small capacity media like CD and DVD ... loading and unloading 200-300 of these volumes is days of tedious work ... so I concentrate doing that for the

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread AlunFoto
2008/4/3, Antti-Pekka Virjonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tuo kyllä kuulostaa hyvältä! Er'ekke nok nå'a? Takk Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I run a drive/file system validation utility about once every month or two on my archives. It's too much work to do that frequently on the small capacity media like CD and DVD ... loading and unloading 200-300 of these volumes is days of tedious work ... so I concentrate doing that for the

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread P. J. Alling
Well my point was that I burned some perfectly good CDs on an HP 2100 burner under Win98. I moved that burner to a machine running Win2K, those CDs were unreadable. They weren't that important so I put them aside to try some data recovery at a later time. I acquired a DVD burner, that was

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread P. J. Alling
I prefer redundant information. AlunFoto wrote: 2008/4/3, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I bet they taught you the tourist pronunciation, didn't they! Ha ha - it gets them every time. I love it when tourists ask me how to find their way to 'Suvverk' and 'Lester Square'. I never get tired of

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Doug Franklin
Bob Sullivan wrote: My point of view is that you haven't validated that you can recover your pictures from the data until you actually do such, or at least do a sample. To say the bits and bites are all the same implies no other glitches in the process. No doubt. The number one most

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Doug Franklin
AlunFoto wrote: Recently sorted out ascertain, but I'm still struggling with superfluous. Superfluous is properly pronounced extra. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML,

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Doug Franklin
Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Temporarily... An awful word to pronounce for us Germans. Usually sounded as if someone had just fed them a glowing hot potatoe. :-)) vorübergehend ... hmmm, I see what you mean. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Bob Sullivan
Godfrey, My point of view is that you haven't validated that you can recover your pictures from the data until you actually do such, or at least do a sample. To say the bits and bites are all the same implies no other glitches in the process. Regards, Bob S. On 4/3/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Christine Aguila
- Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Although my new one might be Woolfhardisworthy. Mike: Is this an adjective for that famous British Wolf whistle or Wolf call British construction workers are famous for?--Heard a funny BBC radio story on the way to work

RE: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Bob W
From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Although my new one might be Woolfhardisworthy. Mike: Is this an adjective for that famous British Wolf whistle or Wolf call British construction workers are famous for?--Heard a funny BBC radio story on the way to work today. Apparently, a

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:30:00PM -0500, Christine Aguila wrote: Apparently, a construction company by the name of Wimbley (sp?) has banned the famous Wolf whistle. Wimpey, at a guess. (Often jokingly regarded as an acronym for We Import More Paddies Every Year - many of the construction

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Christine Aguila
lol!!! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not at all surprised that the construction workers are in broad agreement with such a policy - they are terribly enlightened over here, as this documentary proves:

Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Christine Aguila
- Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wimpey, at a guess. yes, I think that was the name! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread David Savage
At 05:18 PM 3/04/2008, mike wilson wrote: From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a trifle horrified I'm a trifle lover. Mtrifle...om nom nom nom Cheers, D -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 3, 2008, at 8:46 PM, David Savage wrote: At 05:18 PM 3/04/2008, mike wilson wrote: From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a trifle horrified I'm a trifle lover. Mtrifle...om nom nom nom No pudding for you, young man! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-03 Thread David Savage
At 10:04 AM 4/04/2008, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 3, 2008, at 8:46 PM, David Savage wrote: From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a trifle horrified I'm a trifle lover. Mtrifle...om nom nom nom No pudding for you, young man! Awww -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-02 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! I hope this is not a Fool's Day joke: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroom/. Anyone tried this thing? -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-02 Thread Thibouille
I didn't tried it yet but I'd suggest reading here about the whole stuff: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroom/lightroom2_b1_releasenotes.pdf In short, it has quite a number of very nice additions (I imagine Godfrey's face reading those specs xD ) and if all goes well in the release, IMO

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-02 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 2, 2008, at 3:13 AM, Thibouille wrote: I didn't tried it yet but I'd suggest reading here about the whole stuff: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroom/lightroom2_b1_releasenotes.pdf In short, it has quite a number of very nice additions (I imagine Godfrey's face reading

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-02 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In short, it has quite a number of very nice additions... Am I the only person on this planet missing support of offline media in Lightroom? I see the oddest (well, in my opinion) enhancements made, all the time, but no support for offline media which, again

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-02 Thread Mark Roberts
Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In short, it has quite a number of very nice additions... Am I the only person on this planet missing support of offline media in Lightroom? I see the oddest (well, in my opinion) enhancements made, all the time, but no

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-02 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you mean by offline media? External hard drives, DVD etc. I simply can't keep everything from 25+ years on the built-in drives of my computer. So, some of it has to be stored externally and I need my asset management software to keep track of

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-02 Thread Charles Robinson
On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:32, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you mean by offline media? External hard drives, DVD etc. I simply can't keep everything from 25+ years on the built-in drives of my computer. So, some of it has to be stored externally and

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-02 Thread pnstenquist
I guess I'm missing the point here. I use PhotoShop and ACR for all my photo management. I have five hard drives. If I click on a thumbnail, the photo opens. The RAW file is always in the same folder. I do work on a Mac, but I doubt that makes a difference. Paul -- Original message

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-02 Thread Mark Roberts
Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you mean by offline media? External hard drives, DVD etc. I simply can't keep everything from 25+ years on the built-in drives of my computer. So, some of it has to be stored externally and I need my asset

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-02 Thread Adam Maas
He's referring to drives or DVD's not currently mounted. Support for offline media would allow you to view image thumbnails for images on drives not currently connected (and also would indicate which drive/DVD they're stored on). Other than the awful sharpening in Lightroom 1.x, this is probably

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-02 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 2, 2008, at 6:12 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In short, it has quite a number of very nice additions... Am I the only person on this planet missing support of offline media in Lightroom? I see the oddest (well, in my opinion) enhancements

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-02 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do work on a Mac, but I doubt that makes a difference. So do I. If you get along with 5 hard drives, you just don't have enough picture files. :-) The problem some of us are having is that we have so much stuff that we need to keep some of it (the vast majority in

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-02 Thread Mark Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I'm missing the point here. I use PhotoShop and ACR for all my photo management. Photoshop and ACR will work fine accessing network drives. Lightroom won't. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-02 Thread pnstenquist
I do back up to DVD. I have several hundred in storage. My five drives give me over two terabytes of space. They're about 70% full now. I'll add another 500 gigs soon. I keep very few backups on drives, save temporary backups for important jobs. The general backups are almost exclusively on

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