Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-14 Thread danilo
It seems to me, that no one has yet replied to the original question: should he change his CPU From my point of view: no. do you use some unix? if not you'll not use the 64bits. Even if you use it, it's not always true that a 64 bits COU is faster than a 32 one, in some cases it's slower.

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-14 Thread Adam Maas
Danilo, a dual-core CPU has two processors sharing a Die and memory interface. For all intents and purposes it is a dual-CPU SMP system and the OS will see the seperate processors and treat it as such. This isn't just a scheduling hack like Hyperthreading (Which also shows up as 2 CPU's to the

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-13 Thread Gaurav Aggarwal
recorder jco -Original Message- From: Gaurav Aggarwal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:04 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame There are two types of standards: one for TV and one for computers. A lot

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-13 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I saw one of those 30-inchers at the Apple store in Emeryville. Gorgeous screen - bigger than my TV (well, so's the 23-inch). I could see watching DVD movies on it rather than the TV set ... Oh, the abundant screen real estate is great to have as well. Shel You meet the nicest people with a

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-13 Thread David Mann
On Nov 14, 2005, at 5:43 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: I saw one of those 30-inchers at the Apple store in Emeryville. Gorgeous screen - bigger than my TV (well, so's the 23-inch). I could see watching DVD movies on it rather than the TV set ... Oh, the abundant screen real estate is great

Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: John Francis Subject: Re: Full Frame I think even those days are coming to an end. I used to upgrade our home PCs every 18 months to two years (staggered, so the older machine could be as much as four years old by the time it got replaced), but there's

RE: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
panel LCD displays at this point. jco -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 3:27 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame - Original Message - From: John Francis Subject: Re: Full

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Nov 12, 2005, at 12:27 PM, William Robb wrote: I've been considering one more upgrade for a machine which would be used primarily for image editing (I may be a while before I get back into the darkroom), and am considering one of the AMD 64 bit dual core processors. Is this going to

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame Photoshop makes pretty good performance leaps using Dual and Quad processor G5s running Mac OS X. (From the quick demos I've seen, so does Apple's upcoming Aperture software.) I

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame FWIW, One thing I did just upgrade regarding image editing and PCing in general is my monitor. I switched to a 19 super trinitron CRT running at 1200x1600 and the difference is huge

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
I run my 20-inch Apple Cinema Display (trendy flat panel:-) at 1680 x 1050. It's superb for image editing and is beautifully in synch with my printer. Paul On Nov 12, 2005, at 4:02 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Modern PC hardware

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
- From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame FWIW, One thing I did just upgrade regarding image editing and PCing in general is my monitor. I switched to a 19 super trinitron CRT running at 1200x1600 and the difference is huge compared to my old monitor. I would never

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Nov 12, 2005, at 1:05 PM, William Robb wrote: Photoshop makes pretty good performance leaps using Dual and Quad processor G5s running Mac OS X. (From the quick demos I've seen, so does Apple's upcoming Aperture software.) I don't know how it does with multiprocessor hardware running

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame I run my 20-inch Apple Cinema Display (trendy flat panel:-) at 1680 x 1050. It's superb for image editing and is beautifully in synch with my printer. How much do those things cost

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame I run my 20-inch Apple Cinema Display (trendy flat panel:-) at 1680 x 1050. It's superb for image editing and is beautifully in synch with my printer. How much do those things cost compared to a CRT that will give an equivalent quality screen? William Robb

RE: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread Bob W
I think the Windows OS may be the bottleneck. I suspect that I need a 64bit OS to take advantage of 64 bit computers. I don't know if XP does this or if something else is required. I'm not so computer literate as I would like to be.

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread graywolf
It is ahead of the software curve right now, Bill. You would be paying for performance you can not yet use. Wait another year, software will catch up, and prices will go down. Then send me the Athlon 3200+ (grin). I am using an Athlon 900 (although that is clock speed and not advertising

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread graywolf
--- William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame Photoshop makes pretty good performance leaps using Dual and Quad processor G5s running Mac OS X. (From the quick demos I've

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread Adam Maas
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame I run my 20-inch Apple Cinema Display (trendy flat panel:-) at 1680 x 1050. It's superb for image editing and is beautifully in synch with my printer. How much do

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread Adam Maas
I'd quibble with that. 64bit is beyond the software curve, dual-core isn't, and you'll definitely see performance advantages from a dual-core system over a single-core single-CPU system. -Adam graywolf wrote: It is ahead of the software curve right now, Bill. You would be paying for

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread godders
An Apple 20 cCinema Display is $799 US list. Equal quality CRTs are generally more expensive now. G

RE: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Isnt that an odd aspect ratio? neither the traditional 4x3 or the newer 16x9. Whats the deal on that? JCO -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 4:43 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full

RE: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
6:05 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame I run my 20-inch Apple Cinema Display (trendy flat panel:-) at 1680 x 1050

RE: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
See my last post, you can get NEW Crts, even really high end ones for dirt cheap on ebay at the moment jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:18 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread Adam Maas
hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame I run my 20-inch Apple Cinema Display (trendy flat panel:-) at 1680 x 1050. It's superb for image editing and is beautifully in synch

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread Adam Maas
PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 4:43 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame I run my 20-inch Apple Cinema Display (trendy flat panel:-) at 1680 x 1050. It's superb for image editing and is beautifully in synch with my printer. Paul On Nov 12

RE: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 7:32 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame Even then, those are not really high-end CRT's, midrange really ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). And those will not match the performance of the best

RE: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame No, that's typical for a 20 widescreen LCD. Most monitors are 16x10 rather than 16x9. -Adam J. C. O'Connell wrote: Isnt that an odd aspect ratio? neither the traditional 4x3 or the newer 16x9. Whats the deal on that? JCO

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread Rob Studdert
On 12 Nov 2005 at 19:31, Adam Maas wrote: Even then, those are not really high-end CRT's, midrange really ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). And those will not match the performance of the best 20 and 23 LCD's on the market today, which don't cost all that much, you can get a Dell 20 16x10 format LCD

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: graywolf Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame It is ahead of the software curve right now, Bill. You would be paying for performance you can not yet use. Wait another year, software will catch up, and prices will go down. Then send me

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread Adam Maas
-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame No, that's typical for a 20 widescreen LCD. Most monitors are 16x10 rather than 16x9. -Adam J. C. O'Connell wrote: Isnt that an odd aspect ratio? neither the traditional 4x3 or the newer 16x9. Whats the deal on that? JCO

RE: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
, November 12, 2005 8:33 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame Resolution and aspect ratio are fixed on an LCD, given square pixels, resolution dictates aspect ratio on an LCD and one can compute the latter from the former. Widescreen monitors are mostly

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread Adam Maas
Rob Studdert wrote: On 12 Nov 2005 at 19:31, Adam Maas wrote: Even then, those are not really high-end CRT's, midrange really ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). And those will not match the performance of the best 20 and 23 LCD's on the market today, which don't cost all that much, you can get a Dell

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread Adam Maas
: Saturday, November 12, 2005 8:33 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame Resolution and aspect ratio are fixed on an LCD, given square pixels, resolution dictates aspect ratio on an LCD and one can compute the latter from the former. Widescreen monitors

RE: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
and for home video usage. jco -Original Message- From: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 8:42 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame Rob Studdert wrote: On 12 Nov 2005 at 19:31, Adam Maas wrote: Even

RE: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame Don't forget overscan on TV displays and the fact that video pixels are rectangular and computer display pixels are square. It screws with the aspect ratio. Uncompressed HD video is only 16x9 on a TV due to having rectangular pixels, the actual

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread Adam Maas
8:45 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame Don't forget overscan on TV displays and the fact that video pixels are rectangular and computer display pixels are square. It screws with the aspect ratio. Uncompressed HD video is only 16x9 on a TV due

RE: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame 1080i is downconverted from 1920x1200, which is what uncompressed HD is, one of the big advantages of the 23 panels is they display uncompressed HD pixel-for-pixel. There's a reason I specified uncompressed HD. You are correct about

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread Adam Maas
cant downconvert 1920x1200 to 1920x1080(HDTV) without either cropping or stretching, neither of which would be acceptable. jco -Original Message- From: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:11 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware

RE: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
12, 2005 9:31 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame Well, given that Uncompressed HD is 1920x1200 and 1080i is 1920x1080, they must be doing one of the two (note that they're also interlacing the signal at the same time, since straight uncompressed

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread Gaurav Aggarwal
@pdml.net Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame Well, given that Uncompressed HD is 1920x1200 and 1080i is 1920x1080, they must be doing one of the two (note that they're also interlacing the signal at the same time, since straight uncompressed HD is also Progressive-Scan

RE: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
to the 480P analog component outputs on my Sony DVD recorder jco -Original Message- From: Gaurav Aggarwal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:04 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame There are two types

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread David Mann
On Nov 13, 2005, at 12:53 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Isnt that an odd aspect ratio? neither the traditional 4x3 or the newer 16x9. Whats the deal on that? Apple displays are 16:10. I think it's something to do with showing 16:9 video while leaving a bit of screen space top bottom for

Re: Modern PC hardware, Was: Re: Full Frame

2005-11-12 Thread David Mann
On Nov 13, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Photoshop makes pretty good performance leaps using Dual and Quad processor G5s running Mac OS X. (From the quick demos I've seen, so does Apple's upcoming Aperture software.) I don't know how it does with multiprocessor hardware running