Re: Film: It's not dead yet

2011-08-19 Thread David Parsons
Fucking hipsters! But seriously, who cares if they still shoot film. Great for them. There is nothing noble about how the data is recorded, only how people remember it. On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: According to a video about NYC's still vibrant analog

Re: Film: It's not dead yet

2011-08-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Entertaining presentation. It's kinda like the famous quote by Nietsche in Also Sprach Zarathustra ... Film *is* dead, it just doesn't know it yet. ;-) On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: According to a video about NYC's still vibrant analog photography community

Re: Film: It's not dead yet

2011-08-19 Thread Ann Sanfedele
On 8/19/2011 16:55, Tom C wrote: According to a video about NYC's still vibrant analog photography community presented on CNN.com Interesting because it's treatment of the subject is as if it's ancient technology.

Re: Film is not dead ...

2011-07-02 Thread P. J. Alling
You're looking at it wrong, that's a thousand dollars or hard to find spare parts. Just from experience, however, the one needed for a critical repair will be missing or broken. On 6/17/2011 11:15 AM, John Sessoms wrote: Film's not dead, but the scanner apparently is. $1000 for a broken

Re: Film is not dead ...

2011-06-17 Thread David Savage
I'm picking up my new V700 on Monday so I can scan my 6x7 negs I shot a couple of weeks ago. DS On 17 June 2011 20:22, Gasha cir...@konts.lv wrote: Proof of this is recent eBay auction: Nikon Super Coolscan 8000 ED Film Scanner 8000ED 166220 Item condition: For parts or not working Ended:  

Re: Film is not dead ...

2011-06-17 Thread Gasha
Not so great news are that my Neopan 400 reserves are depleted, and Fuji closed production for 400 and 1600 speed 120 format film :( Ordered some Neopan Across 100 rolls, will try to burn some film during my short Norwegian trip next week. 6x7 this time. Gasha David Savage wrote: I'm

Re: Film is not dead ...

2011-06-17 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Why does a good sale price on a discontinued scanner mean that film is not dead? it just means that medium format film scanners are becoming scarce because there isn't enough demand to keep them in production and used prices are rising as a result, even parts are becoming valuable to the

Re: Film is not dead ...

2011-06-17 Thread Steven Desjardins
I had the same thought, to be honest. This is more of a going out of business sale. On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: Why does a good sale price on a discontinued scanner mean that film is not dead?  it just means that medium format film scanners are

RE: Film is not dead ...

2011-06-17 Thread John Sessoms
Film's not dead, but the scanner apparently is. $1000 for a broken scanner? From: Gasha Proof of this is recent eBay auction: Nikon Super Coolscan 8000 ED Film Scanner 8000ED 166220 Item condition: For parts or not working Ended: Jun 16, 201112:57:31 PDT Winning bid: US $1,072.00 [ 28

Re: Film is not dead ...

2011-06-17 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Film is not dead ... Message-ID: 4dfb470c.3010...@konts.lv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Proof of this is recent eBay auction: Nikon Super Coolscan 8000 ED Film Scanner 8000ED 166220 Item condition: For parts or

Re: Film is not dead ...

2011-06-17 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Why does a good sale price on a discontinued scanner mean that film is not dead? it just means that medium format film scanners are becoming scarce because there isn't enough demand to keep them in production and used prices are rising as a result, even parts are becoming

Re: Film is not dead ...

2011-06-17 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Friday, June 17, 2011, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: It's not pinin'! It's passed on! Film is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't stuck it in a scanner it'd be pushing up the

Re: Film is not dead ...

2011-06-17 Thread Scott Loveless
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: It's not pinin'! It's passed on! Film is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't stuck it in a scanner it'd be pushing up

Re: Film is not dead ...

2011-06-17 Thread mike wilson
On 17/06/2011 14:22, Gasha wrote: Proof of this is recent eBay auction: Nikon Super Coolscan 8000 ED Film Scanner 8000ED 166220 Item condition: For parts or not working Ended: Jun 16, 201112:57:31 PDT Winning bid: US $1,072.00 [ 28 bids ] Shipping: $49.95 UPS Worldwide Expedited Seller: Member

Re: Film is not dead ...

2011-06-17 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Yes, actually film is dead. Same goes for oil-painted portraits. Same goes for hand-made automobiles. Of course one may still purchase a custom oil portrait. And there are some small boutique auto companies who make them by hand. This death is a matter of market presence, not existence.

Re: Film is not dead ...

2011-06-17 Thread Mark Cassino
I paid almost twice that for a refurbished ED 8000 a while back... Damn quirky scanner and software but it really makes the 6x7 exposures sing. I don't shoot as much film as I'd like to, but then, I don't shoot as many pixels as I'd like to either... MCC - Original Message From:

Re: Film is not dead ...

2011-06-17 Thread Mark Roberts
Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Yes, actually film is dead. Same goes for oil-painted portraits. Same goes for hand-made automobiles. Of course one may still purchase a custom oil portrait. And there are some small boutique auto companies who make them by hand. This death is a matter of market

Re: Film is not dead ...

2011-06-17 Thread Mark Roberts
Spelling corrected (damned spell checker...) Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Yes, actually film is dead. Same goes for oil-painted portraits. Same goes for hand-made automobiles. Of course one may still purchase a custom oil portrait. And there are some small boutique auto companies who make them by

Re: Film is not dead ...

2011-06-17 Thread David Parsons
Back when I had an interest in scanning my old film, the common recommendation was to buy a Nikon 5000 scanner off eBay, then resell it when you were done with the project. Even at $500, you could basically get your money back because it was the best consumer scanner available and it was only

Re: Film is not dead ...

2011-06-17 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:06 PM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote: Back when I had an interest in scanning my old film, the common recommendation was to buy a Nikon 5000 scanner off eBay, then resell it when you were done with the project.  Even at $500, you could basically get your

Re: Film is not dead ...

2011-06-17 Thread David Mann
On Jun 18, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Mark Cassino wrote: I paid almost twice that for a refurbished ED 8000 a while back... Damn quirky scanner and software but it really makes the 6x7 exposures sing. I don't shoot as much film as I'd like to, but then, I don't shoot as many pixels as I'd

Re: Film is not dead

2011-02-23 Thread Boris Liberman
No reason for film to be entirely dead. It is not feeling very well, but it is quite alive nontheless. Boris On 2/19/2011 3:17 PM, David J Brooks wrote: http://www.petapixel.com/2011/02/18/35mm-sprocket-hole-panoramic-photos/ Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Film is not dead

2011-02-20 Thread David J Brooks
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 8:17 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.petapixel.com/2011/02/18/35mm-sprocket-hole-panoramic-photos/ My last two brain cells died looking at that. Then my work here is

Re: Film is not dead

2011-02-20 Thread William Robb
On 20/02/2011 6:56 AM, David J Brooks wrote: My last two brain cells died looking at that. Then my work here is done, now its off to the Pentax Forums to help them Good luck with that. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Film is not dead

2011-02-19 Thread William Robb
On 19/02/2011 7:17 AM, David J Brooks wrote: http://www.petapixel.com/2011/02/18/35mm-sprocket-hole-panoramic-photos/ Given the nature of that article, it would be better if it were dead. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Film is not dead

2011-02-19 Thread Ann Sanfedele
William Robb wrote: On 19/02/2011 7:17 AM, David J Brooks wrote: http://www.petapixel.com/2011/02/18/35mm-sprocket-hole-panoramic-photos/ Given the nature of that article, it would be better if it were dead. On the other hand, how about this one???

Re: Film is not dead

2011-02-19 Thread William Robb
On 19/02/2011 9:36 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: On the other hand, how about this one??? http://www.petapixel.com/2010/12/10/turn-film-into-ribbon-bows-for-presents/ Yup, kill it and put it out of it's misery. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Film is not dead

2011-02-19 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb wrote: On 19/02/2011 7:17 AM, David J Brooks wrote: http://www.petapixel.com/2011/02/18/35mm-sprocket-hole-panoramic-photos/ Given the nature of that article, it would be better if it were dead. It's so great that you're back on the PDML, Bill. ;-) -- Mark Roberts - Photography

Re: Film is not dead

2011-02-19 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Ok, this does NOT make me a true believer. Good film work still surpasses DSLR work while good digital work is also useful. Each has its advantages and disadvantages. = DSLR/DigitalDarkroom: -- Hardware software cost more. Hard to get a

Re: Film is not dead

2011-02-19 Thread William Robb
On 19/02/2011 4:22 PM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Ok, this does NOT make me a true believer. Good film work still surpasses DSLR work while good digital work is also useful. Each has its advantages and disadvantages. = DSLR/DigitalDarkroom:

Re: Film is not dead

2011-02-19 Thread Scott Loveless
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 8:17 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.petapixel.com/2011/02/18/35mm-sprocket-hole-panoramic-photos/ My last two brain cells died looking at that. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/     __o   _'\,_  (*)/  (*) -- PDML

Re: Film is Really Dead ;-)

2010-12-28 Thread Charles Robinson
On Dec 27, 2010, at 18:12, David Parsons wrote: Love the first review: Customer Reviews I hate the New Hipstapack. BTW, it would be nice to tell people that that page forces iTunes to open when the page loads. I wondered what that was all about. Chrome said this page is trying to

Re: Film is Really Dead ;-)

2010-12-28 Thread Steven Desjardins
Yeah, I use chrome too. I didn't realize that iTunes was the culprit. I'm so used to ads trying to do something stupid that I assume I have to tell most of them to shut up. On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Dec 27, 2010, at 18:12, David Parsons

Re: Film is Really Dead ;-)

2010-12-28 Thread John Sessoms
From: David Parsons Love the first review: Customer Reviews I hate the New Hipstapack. BTW, it would be nice to tell people that that page forces iTunes to open when the page loads. Not if you don't have iTunes installed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Film is Really Dead ;-)

2010-12-27 Thread P. J. Alling
No film isn't dead, but this just might kill it, from embarrassment. On 12/24/2010 10:53 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Check out this iPhone App. http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/hipstamatic/id342115564?s=143441ls=1 -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom!

Re: Film is Really Dead ;-)

2010-12-27 Thread David Parsons
Love the first review: Customer Reviews I hate the New Hipstapack. BTW, it would be nice to tell people that that page forces iTunes to open when the page loads. On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Check out this iPhone App.

Re: Film is Really Dead ;-)

2010-12-27 Thread drd1135
Sorry, I didn't even think of that. -Original Message- From: David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 19:12:42 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Film is Really Dead

Re: Film is Really Dead ;-)

2010-12-27 Thread Thibouille
I'm confident digital can, at least as well as film, do all sorts of 'nasty ugly drawings' on purpose. Just because it feels trendy. The beauty of digital 'you never faked anything analog with such ease'. LOL (or not?) 2010/12/24 Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com: Check out this iPhone App.

Re: Film is not dead

2009-04-24 Thread mike wilson
William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Don't chimp, just take another picture. If you don't have time to take another picture, did you waste it chimping? Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML,

Re: Film is not dead

2009-04-23 Thread pnstenquist
- Paul Sorenson allarou...@earthlink.net wrote: According to the web site of one local wedding shooter. He says... *Film or Digital? Don't be fooled - newer isn't always better. Digital is wonderful in the studio - under controlled lighting and from short distances - but

Re: Film is not dead

2009-04-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote: Food for thought... Baloney followed by Indigestion most likely. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow

Re: Film is not dead

2009-04-23 Thread Luiz Felipe
the processor, at least - but the proper preview is the scanned neg or the contact sheet IF it's pro grade AND the magnifying is adequate. LF William Robb escreveu: - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: Film is not dead Maybe they are checking to see if they got the shot

Re: Film is not dead

2009-04-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Film is not dead - Paul Sorenson allarou...@earthlink.net wrote: According to the web site of one local wedding shooter. He says... blah blah blah here Bologna I think the point any wedding

Re: Film is not dead

2009-04-23 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 23, 2009, at 9:33 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Film is not dead - Paul Sorenson allarou...@earthlink.net wrote: According to the web site of one local wedding shooter. He says... blah blah blah here

Re: Film is not dead

2009-04-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Film is not dead I think the point any wedding photographer should take away from this, and there is a valid point within the self serving hype is that chimping at something fast paced like a wedding is the wrong thing

Re: Film is not dead

2009-04-23 Thread Paul Sorenson
Bologna Oh, I agree!! I was more than a little surprised that a pro photog would put that on his web site - it's so blatantly uninformed. -p pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: - Paul Sorenson allarou...@earthlink.net wrote: According to the web site of one local wedding shooter. He

Re: Film is not dead

2009-04-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Paul Sorenson Subject: Re: Film is not dead Bologna Oh, I agree!! I was more than a little surprised that a pro photog would put that on his web site - it's so blatantly uninformed. There is more truth there than you are seeing. William Robb

Re: Film is not dead

2009-04-23 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Good point. I rarely chimp at a wedding. I take some test shots in key locations before the action begins and check my histograms. When there's real downtime, I'll review a few key frames. Chimping can become a

Re: Film is not dead

2009-04-23 Thread ann sanfedele
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Film is not dead - Paul Sorenson allarou...@earthlink.net wrote: According to the web site of one local wedding shooter. He says... blah blah blah here Bologna I think the point

Re: Film is not dead

2009-04-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Maybe they are checking to see if they got the shot. Are the film shooters so great that they don't need to check if eyes are open, or dopey expressions are in the frame? Seems like a big reach to say, We do it right the first time, every time! No need to check. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 22,

Re: Film is not dead

2009-04-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: Film is not dead Maybe they are checking to see if they got the shot. Are the film shooters so great that they don't need to check if eyes are open, or dopey expressions are in the frame? In the time it takes you to chimp your

Re: Film is NOT dead

2007-09-21 Thread Cotty
On 21/09/07, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed: Queue the holy warriors. Holy warriors don't like waiting ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: Film is NOT dead

2007-09-21 Thread Rebekah
I think that in the next five years you're going to see almost a retro backlash because of the things that film gives you that you can't get with digital. what, like good pictures? ducking for cover rg2 On 9/21/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21/09/07, Scott Loveless, discombobulated,

Re: Film is NOT dead

2007-09-21 Thread Mark Roberts
Scott Loveless wrote: AP article that's actually fair and balanced. It's an interesting read. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PHOTOGRAPHERS_FILM?SITE=APSECTION=HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULTCTIME=2007-09-19-13-49-01 http://tinyurl.com/2ljb36 Quote from the end of the article: I think that in

Re: Film is NOT dead

2007-09-21 Thread Adam Maas
Mark Roberts wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: AP article that's actually fair and balanced. It's an interesting read. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PHOTOGRAPHERS_FILM?SITE=APSECTION=HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULTCTIME=2007-09-19-13-49-01 http://tinyurl.com/2ljb36 Quote from the end of the

Re: Film is NOT dead

2007-09-21 Thread Brendan MacRae
Nice article, good read. Many of the comments expressed I share though none are a big surprise. Obviously, film has a look that many of us can't live without. -Brendan --- Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AP article that's actually fair and balanced. It's an interesting read.

Re: Film is NOT dead

2007-09-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 21, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: AP article that's actually fair and balanced. It's an interesting read. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PHOTOGRAPHERS_FILM? SITE=APSECTION=HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULTCTIME=2007-09-19-13-49-01 http://tinyurl.com/2ljb36 Quote from the

Re: film may be dead, but...

2005-01-19 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Definitive proof that Balda is alive and well. Look at this brand spanking new looking camera. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=67380item=3866807933rd=1 Yikes! Film may not be dead but that doesn't mean there aren't people trying to

Re: film may be dead, but...

2005-01-19 Thread Jens Bladt
:50 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: film may be dead, but... At 11:06 PM -0500 1/18/05, Steve Sharpe wrote: At 7:42 AM +0100 1/18/05, Carlos Royo wrote: Steve Sharpe escribió: I just ordered an MZ-S! I am sure you will enjoy it. It is an excellent camera. Unfortunately there do

RE: film may be dead, but...

2005-01-19 Thread Jens Bladt
Congratulations. I miss mine, which I sold to finance the *ist D. I should have kept it. It's the best 35mm camera I have used yet. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Steve Sharpe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 18. januar 2005

Re: film may be dead, but...

2005-01-19 Thread Gonz
I have this ocean front property.interested? Steve Sharpe wrote: At 10:24 PM -0500 1/18/05, frank theriault wrote: On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:37:02 -0500, Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just ordered an MZ-S! -- Steve On behalf of film-camera owners everywhere: Thank you! I figure

Re: film may be dead, but...

2005-01-19 Thread Steve Sharpe
At 10:58 AM -0600 1/19/05, Gonz wrote: I have this ocean front property.interested? Hmph. :^) Steve Sharpe wrote: At 10:24 PM -0500 1/18/05, frank theriault wrote: On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:37:02 -0500, Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just ordered an MZ-S! -- Steve On behalf of

Re: film may be dead, but...

2005-01-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Kostas Kavoussanakis Subject: Re: film may be dead, but... On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Steve Sharpe wrote: I just ordered an MZ-S! You have made a grave error. See the link below for more proof that film is well and truly dead: HAR William Robb

Re: film may be dead, but...

2005-01-18 Thread William Robb
Definitive proof that Balda is alive and well. Look at this brand spanking new looking camera. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=67380item=3866807933rd=1 William Robb

Re: film may be dead, but...

2005-01-18 Thread Jack Davis
Me too..along with battery grip and 360 flash. Thoroughly satisfied with all aspects at this point. Jack --- Carlos Royo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Sharpe escribió: I just ordered an MZ-S! I am sure you will enjoy it. It is an excellent camera. Carlos

Re: film may be dead, but...

2005-01-18 Thread Mishka
let's check the logic: (hypothesis) film is dead + (observation) a film body sells for close to a $1K = contradiction (hypothesis) Balda is dead + (observation) a new looking Balda sells for $10 = ??? what exactly did you try to show here? On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:37:33 -0600, William Robb

Re: film may be dead, but...

2005-01-18 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:37:02 -0500, Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just ordered an MZ-S! -- Steve On behalf of film-camera owners everywhere: Thank you! vbg -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: film may be dead, but...

2005-01-18 Thread Steve Sharpe
At 7:42 AM +0100 1/18/05, Carlos Royo wrote: Steve Sharpe escribió: I just ordered an MZ-S! I am sure you will enjoy it. It is an excellent camera. Unfortunately there do not appear to be any new battery grips available for it in this country. -- Steve • [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: film may be dead, but...

2005-01-18 Thread Steve Sharpe
At 10:24 PM -0500 1/18/05, frank theriault wrote: On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:37:02 -0500, Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just ordered an MZ-S! -- Steve On behalf of film-camera owners everywhere: Thank you! I figure it will be my last film camera...at least in 35mm. Digital is still a few

Re: film may be dead, but...

2005-01-18 Thread Steve Sharpe
At 11:06 PM -0500 1/18/05, Steve Sharpe wrote: At 7:42 AM +0100 1/18/05, Carlos Royo wrote: Steve Sharpe escribió: I just ordered an MZ-S! I am sure you will enjoy it. It is an excellent camera. Unfortunately there do not appear to be any new battery grips available for it in this country.

Re: film may be dead, but...

2005-01-17 Thread Carlos Royo
Steve Sharpe escribió: I just ordered an MZ-S! I am sure you will enjoy it. It is an excellent camera. Carlos

Re: film may be dead, but...

2005-01-17 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Steve Sharpe wrote: I just ordered an MZ-S! You have made a grave error. See the link below for more proof that film is well and truly dead: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=3866541485 Enjoy your camera, Kostas (what do you mean KEH sells it for that

Re: Film not quite dead yet!

2004-08-08 Thread Jim Colwell
Peter, You might want to set your spell checker to change Fugi to Fuji. Jim www.jcolwell.ca

Re: Film not quite dead yet!

2004-08-08 Thread Peter J. Alling
What fun is that??? Jim Colwell wrote: Peter, You might want to set your spell checker to change Fugi to Fuji. Jim www.jcolwell.ca

Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...

2004-02-01 Thread John Mustarde
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:06:46 +0200, you wrote: It might be a good idea to clean some area in the basement and offer to take away that old and useless film only processor for free when they start to throw them out. Now that would be a good thing to do... I think the notion of getting a film

Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...

2004-01-30 Thread Cotty
On 29/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I can make beer in my basement, and in sufficient quantity and quality to keep several families of drunks happy. OTOH, I don't have a film coating plant down there. There is a huge difference between making film and making beer. Sorry, your comparison is a

Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...

2004-01-29 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In affluent parts of the world, I expect enough consumers will go to digital to dictate what every one else will do as well. snip As far as film hanging around because of non computerized parts of the world will be using it, I have a few thoughts: Consumer

Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...

2004-01-29 Thread Bob W
Hi, What's interesting to speculate to me is what will happen in places where there is *no* film processing infrastructure now. Digital kiosks are much less expensive, smaller and easier to manage than C-41 minilabs. I wouldn't be surprised if some places go straight to digital without ever

Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...

2004-01-29 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's interesting to speculate to me is what will happen in places where there is *no* film processing infrastructure now. Digital kiosks are much less expensive, smaller and easier to manage than C-41 minilabs. I wouldn't be surprised if some places go

Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...

2004-01-29 Thread Peter Alling
There are very few places in the world where there isn't film processing infrastructure. Commercial Color processing might not be available from a mini-lab but BW processing can be done everywhere that water is liquid and it's not so hot that people burst into flames, (which I suppose leaves

Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...

2004-01-29 Thread graywolf
That makes the rather silly assumption that they would have to go through all the steps it took to invent the technology to implement the technology today. What you are saying is they would have to use film because they could not afford the batteries for a digital camera. I say, If they could

Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...

2004-01-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: graywolf Subject: Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise... I am at least as retro as anyone on this list, but even I find some of these anti-digital arguments specious. The really specious arguement is that somehow, a population of people living in grass

Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...

2004-01-29 Thread Peter Alling
brewers. Yet it's sold nationwide in the US and often sells for no more than a 50% premium over the usual swill. Why should film be any different. If the majors stop making it someone else will. At 02:55 PM 1/29/04, you wrote: - Original Message - From: graywolf Subject: Re: Film

Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...

2004-01-29 Thread Bob W
Hi, I was not making that assumption or making that claim about film and batteries, and I'm not making anti-digital arguments. You're putting words into my mouth. When was the last time you were in a 3rd world country? No need for infrastructure to support a laptop? You make me laugh! --

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2004-01-29 Thread Mark Roberts
Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe not, but what makes you think that film couldn't be sustained by small local producers. Take a lesson from the Micro Brewery's. snip No offense, but my specious argument meter just pegged so hard that the needle bent. -- Mark Roberts Photography and

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2004-01-29 Thread Mark Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob posted: I was not making that assumption or making that claim about film and batteries, and I'm not making anti-digital arguments. You're putting words into my mouth. When was the last time you were in a 3rd world country? No need for infrastructure to

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2004-01-29 Thread Norm Baugher
Now that was funny, LOL. Norm Mark Roberts wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It might be helpful if you could be very clear about what, to you, constitutes a Third World country. Yorkshire ;-)

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2004-01-29 Thread Bob W
Hi, When was the last time you were in a 3rd world country? No need for infrastructure to support a laptop? You make me laugh! It might be helpful if you could be very clear about what, to you, constitutes a Third World country. My mother lives in one. With a laptop and a digital

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2004-01-29 Thread Peter Alling
Those hand chargeable flashlights and radios. Think of it, the next big thing in personal computing, a exercise bicycle attached to a generator attached to a PC. It gives a whole new meaning to cruising the Internet. Maybe it might even get Americans to loose a few pounds. At 06:21 PM 1/29/04,

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2004-01-29 Thread graywolf
I see that the assuption I just posted, was correct. -- Bob W wrote: Hi, When was the last time you were in a 3rd world country? No need for infrastructure to support a laptop? You make me laugh! It might be helpful if you could be very clear about what, to you, constitutes a Third World

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2004-01-29 Thread graywolf
I guess the african bushmen, who chose to continue to live in the bush would have a hard time dealing with digital cameras. Though it seems to me they would also have a hard time dealing with film too. Somehow, I never considered 3 world to mean primitives. Something tells me that someone who

Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...

2004-01-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Peter Alling Subject: Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise... Maybe not, but what makes you think that film couldn't be sustained by small local producers. Take a lesson from the Micro Brewery's. The largest, Boston Brewing Co. has grown to a size

Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...

2004-01-29 Thread Peter Alling
would I make my own glass, do you grow your own wheat? At 08:18 PM 1/29/04, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Peter Alling Subject: Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise... I can make glass plates at home, it's a bitch but I can do it. Making individual glass plates is the equivalent

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2004-01-29 Thread ernreed2
Hi, When was the last time you were in a 3rd world country? No need for infrastructure to support a laptop? You make me laugh! It might be helpful if you could be very clear about what, to you, constitutes a Third World country. My mother lives in one. With a laptop and a

Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...

2004-01-28 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen
-Original Message- Paul (A digital purchaser who believes film will outlive most of us on this forum.) I fully agree. I believe film will outlive all of us. Not dozens of different emulsions and not available in every store but there will be film for a very long time. If Kodak

Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...

2004-01-28 Thread Leon Altoff
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:05:35 -0800, Jim Apilado wrote: Sometimes I wonder if those shooting digital would like to see the era of film end ASAP. I wouldn't. Digital is not good enough yet to replace film completely. It will one day, I know that. Unfortunately people are getting used to

Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...

2004-01-28 Thread Chris Stoddart
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Paul Stenquist wrote: I think there are some photographers who have an unconscious need to validate their digital purchase. The demise of film would do just that. Paul (A digital purchaser who believes film will outlive most of us on this forum.) Thank you Paul. My

Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...

2004-01-28 Thread Cotty
On 28/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Chris (a digital user who thinks film has soul [sorry Cotty]) Don't apologise! I agree. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads

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2004-01-28 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Antti-Pekka, My personal belief is that it is NOT the lack of film availabilty that will be the issue, but the cost to buy and PROCESS/PRINT it. Depending on where you are in the world, this may be the case. Here in the USA, the number of 1 hour minilabs is starting to drop unless they

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2004-01-28 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I expect that color film use five to ten years from now will at least equal black and white film use today. Now that's the first film-to-digital transition speculation that makes sense to me. Well put. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing

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