Didn't you know, Pentax makes marketing decisions using a dartboard?
Adam Maas wrote:
> That's true, but you can overdo it, and Pentax did with the K10D when
> the price nosedived, it earned them K10D sales at the cost of
> completely destroying K100D Super sales. The K10D was already priced
> at
That's true, but you can overdo it, and Pentax did with the K10D when
the price nosedived, it earned them K10D sales at the cost of
completely destroying K100D Super sales. The K10D was already priced
at a nice discount over the less-featured D80 (about $100) at launch,
and maintaining and/or sligh
Hello Adam,
When you are Nikon or Canon you can price reasonably because most
users will buy your products over weaker brands if the price is
similar. When you are the weaker brand, there has to be something
more than a comparably featured body to entice. You either need a
demonstrably better bo
Riceguy is the anti Kennyboy, (one hates Pentax beyond all reason, the
other loves Nikon more than his wife), with the same witless result. I
keep wondering if they would annihilate each other in a coruscating
blaze of released bile if placed in close contact...
Derby Chang wrote:
> Jaume Lah
Hi Dave
On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:39:12 +0800, "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> Whoever's quoting $2000 for the K20D kit is a crook. I paid
> considerably less for my K20D body at release.
I'm quoting the recommended retail price (as per review in the latest
issue of 'Australian Camera")
- Original Message -
From: "David Savage"
Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
> Bodies come & go.
You will find as you get older that this concept takes on a whole new meaning...
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2008/5/30 David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:29 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jaume Lahuerta"
>> Subject: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
>>
>>>No more bloody fights
>>
>>
>> They got my meds stabili
Whoever's quoting $2000 for the K20D kit is a crook. I paid
considerably less for my K20D body at release.
In any case, I'd say sink most of your camera budget into new glass.
Bodies come & go.
Cheers,
Dave
2008/5/30 Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:47:00 -0400, "Ad
2008/5/29 William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Derby Chang"
> Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
>
>
>
>> As much as I like to fondle gear myself, I find those to bleat on about
>> equ
On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:47:00 -0400, "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> Given those costs (God, Aussie prices are bad),
Tell me about it
With the Aussie dollar now approaching parity with the US dollar, a
straight conversion would make the K20D with kit lens about $A1380.
Even al
No problem at all Christine, no need to worry...
(You'd better concentrate in the drinking issue... ;-) )
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De: Christine Aguila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Enviado: jueves, 29 de mayo, 2008 20:42:41
Asunto: Re: List focus shift (WA
>
> Equipment news is tomorrow's recycling. Photographic insight
> is timeless
>
Can someone point that out to Mark! please?
Bob
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> >
> >
> > They got my meds stabilized and someone kidnapped Norm and gave us
> > the Scott and Dave show instead.
> >
> Oh, man. You guys got the short end of the stick on that deal.
>
Scott,
I think you're mixing your short straws with your shit-ended sticks.
Health & Safety will be after
- Original Message -
From: "Scott Loveless"
Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
>> They got my meds stabilized and someone kidnapped Norm and gave us
>> the Scott and Dave show instead.
>>
> Oh, man. You guys got the short end of t
Christine Aguila wrote:
> I drink sometimes, you know ;-).
Well, you'll fit right in around here.
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Jaume: Sorry for the misread on your post--I drink sometimes, you know ;-).
Seriously though, please accept my apologies. Cheers, Christine
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On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:29 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jaume Lahuerta"
> Subject: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
>
>
>
>
>>No more bloody fights
>
>
> They got my meds stabilized and someone kidnapped Norm and gave us the Scot
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:58 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
>
>
>> Pentax Forum is even worse, and the Pentax forum on ph
Hi!
Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
> Well, my sentence wasn't too fortunate now that I read it again.
> After all, probably the easier way to be happy is to have little
> needs, so people has learned to just use their tools and don't be
> tortured by further features (that are not really key for what they
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From: "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:11 AM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Adam Maas"
> &
William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - From: "Jaume Lahuerta" Subject: List
> focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
>
>
>
>
>> No more bloody fights
>
>
> They got my meds stabilized and someone kidnapped Norm and gave us
> the Scott and Dave show instead.
>
Oh, man. You guys g
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:11 AM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adam Maas"
> Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
>
>
>> But the Pentax dropped significantly much earlier in its life
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:29 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They got my meds stabilized and someone kidnapped Norm and gave us the Scott
> and Dave show
> instead.
(for when you get back from GFM): MARK!!!
cheers,
frank
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- Original Message -
From: "Adam Maas"
Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
> But the Pentax dropped significantly much earlier in its life. Look at
> the D80, which was launched concurrently with the K10D and has seen
> significant price drops,
- Original Message -
From: "Derby Chang"
Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
> As much as I like to fondle gear myself, I find those to bleat on about
> equipment shortcomings tend to be those who have the least to say
> photographically.
The
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
>>
>> Pentax is in deep doo doo now.
>
> There's no real evidence to support that. Time will tell, but it's certainly
> not a given now.
>
Note the buffer issue can be hit with a few closely spaced shots, not
just in continuous. This is due to it only holding 4 shots (and the
fairly slow write speeds by todays standards, an issue with all
SD-based cameras, the new UDMA CF cards are much faster).
Given those costs (God, Aussie prices
Oh, sure, Derby,
People who goes really in deep on equipment technology rarely is able to
maintain the same level when it comes to actual pictures.
Actually, what I think is that there are 2 different 'hobbies':
- Photography: taking, showing, looking at pictures, talk and comment them.
- Photo
But the Pentax dropped significantly much earlier in its life. Look at
the D80, which was launched concurrently with the K10D and has seen
significant price drops, but still sells for about $200 more than the
K10D did last fall.
I understand price drops, they make sense. But Pentax overdid it with
Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
>>> BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking
>>>
> occasionally at dpreview, despite the admitted annoyances of that site.
> News such as this shows up much earlier there than it does here.
>
> Today I was just thinking that this list has somehow
or
not, for me it has been one of the major reasons to stay with Pentax !!
Regards,
Jaume
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Enviado: jueves, 29 de mayo, 2008 6:54:51
Asunto: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
Hi Boris !
>Jaume, I most respectfully disagree with you.
Sure...but I don't think that we disagree that much.
Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
> People already happy with their equipment? Sounds good but I don't
> fully agree...I would say resigned instead of happy.
>I am happy. I am still wishing for mo
Hi!
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Doug Franklin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think a big part of it is a change in the mindset of the
> "photographically aware", if you'll allow me a neologism.
Doug, I think that the age of film and the post-film era are separated
by rather large and definit
Boris Liberman wrote:
> Jaume, I most respectfully disagree with you.
I think a big part of it is a change in the mindset of the
"photographically aware", if you'll allow me a neologism.
In the "age of film", the primary differences in captured quality
occurred due to the film and glass chosen,
From: "Jaume Lahuerta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>People already happy with their equipment? Sounds good but I don't fully
>agree...I would say resigned instead of happy.
Jaume: No doubt you know it's a little dangerous to speak for other people.
For the record, I'm extremely happy (not resigned) wi
Jaume, I most respectfully disagree with you.
Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
> People already happy with their equipment? Sounds good but I don't
> fully agree...I would say resigned instead of happy.
I am happy. I am still wishing for more, but I am pretty happy. I cannot
talk for others though.
> The
OK, Thanks.
I'll have to take another look at the specs although the buffer isn't a
major limitation to me.
I expect to be buying towards the end of the life cycle of the current
models so (hopefully) the price factor might not be so significant by
then. At the moment the Australian price for a
-- Original message --
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I remember those days.
>
> Pentax is in deep doo doo now.
There's no real evidence to support that. Time will tell, but it's certainly
not a given now. They're in better shape than they were i
I think that's the industry standard for end of life. the Nikon D200 dropped a
level at the end of its tenure as well.
Paul
-- Original message --
From: "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> That it did, but I can't help but think Pentax would have done better
> with i
That it did, but I can't help but think Pentax would have done better
with it if it had remained near its initial pricepoint rather than
descending into K100D territory. By the end of its run it was only
about $50 off a K100D kit in price, which is a bit non-sensical.
-Adam
On Wed, May 28, 2008 a
- Original Message -
From: "George Sinos"
Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
>Many years ago, when I first joined the list, it was the Pentax
>Discussion Mailing List that sometimes strayed into a discussion of
>photography. I'm much happie
p reading...;-) )
>
> Regards,
>
> Jaume in their yearly eloquent day
>
> - Mensaje original ----
> De: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Enviado: miércoles, 28 de mayo, 2008 20:12:13
> Asunto: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K
I agree in regard to the K200D, but I wouldn't call the K10D a mistake. It
represented great value for the money, and that helped put Pentax on the
consideration list for many buyers.
Paul
-- Original message --
From: "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The utterly
The utterly crippled buffer is the most telling fault, there's no
justifiable reason why a modern camera should have a buffer limited to
4 RAWs or 4 JPEG's, especially not at the K200D's rather significant
price (it's easily the most expensive base model on the market, and
not the most capable). It
Build quality and viewfinder.
That's a lot.
Paul
-- Original message --
From: "Brian Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> OK, well perhaps we could talk about technical things for a minute...
>
> I'm interested in your statement "cheap ones aren't as bad in
> compar
OK, well perhaps we could talk about technical things for a minute...
I'm interested in your statement "cheap ones aren't as bad in
comparison as the K200D is to the K20D."
What do you think is wrong with the K200D given that it's about
$600-$700 (Au) cheaper than the 20D?
I'm considering my
ave been
> reading the list for so many years that it is hard to admit that is is
> getting less interesting for me lately...(but I keep reading...;-) )
>
> Regards,
>
> Jaume in their yearly eloquent day
>
> - Mensaje original ----
> De: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTE
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
> Pentax Forum is even worse, and the Pentax forum on photo.net is clueless.
I've had a guy respnd to one of my postings telling me that monitor calibration
is uni
- Original Message -
From: "Jaume Lahuerta"
Subject: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
>No more bloody fights
They got my meds stabilized and someone kidnapped Norm and gave us the Scott
and Dave show
instead.
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> about Pentax nowadays...it is just that I have been reading the list for so
> many
> years that it is hard to admit that is is getting less interesting for me
> lately...(but I keep reading...;-) )
>
> Regards,
>
> Jaume in their yearly eloquent day
>
> - Mensaje
ormation about Pentax nowadays...it is just that I have been
>> reading the list for so many years that it is hard to admit that is is
>> getting less interesting for me lately...(but I keep reading...;-) )
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jaume in their yearly eloquent day
eir yearly eloquent day
>
> - Mensaje original ----
> De: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Enviado: miércoles, 28 de mayo, 2008 20:12:13
> Asunto: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:46:24
Regards,
Jaume in their yearly eloquent day
- Mensaje original
De: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Enviado: miércoles, 28 de mayo, 2008 20:12:13
Asunto: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:46:24AM -0700, Jaume
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:46:24AM -0700, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
> >>BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking
> occasionally at dpreview, despite the admitted annoyances of that site.
> News such as this shows up much earlier there than it does here.
>
> Today I was just thin
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