on 2012-08-12 17:40 Daniel J. Matyola wrote
We spend a lot here on alternatives. Ever hear of Solyndra?
as if that were a dirty word; China's government is lending an order of
magnitude more to its solar firms, and trouncing the US in the PV market
We spent a lot on development of wind
On Aug 14, 2012, at 2:40 AM, steve harley wrote:
on 2012-08-12 17:40 Daniel J. Matyola wrote
We spend a lot here on alternatives. Ever hear of Solyndra?
as if that were a dirty word; China's government is lending an order of
magnitude more to its solar firms, and trouncing the US in the
Today we are meeting with a solar panel company, to see if it is
feasible to install units on our home, and on my late mother-in-laws
home, now occupied in part by my son.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:40 AM, steve harley
Duh Me too
Kenneth Waller
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From: knarftheria...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers
Ah, well, my comment in the previous post about those things being scary
was because I thought it was a nuclear
On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:50 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com
wrote:
Duh Me too
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers
Ah, well, my comment
on 2012-08-14 5:03 Paul Stenquist wrote
i've fed my domestic electric habit with wind for about ten years
I assume you're paying your electric utility a premium for wind power. That
doesn't mean your getting power from wind.
i thought i explained that clearly:
granted it is not always
pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:50 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com
wrote:
Duh Me too
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers
Ah
- Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers
Ah, well, my comment in the previous post about those things being scary
was because I thought it was a nuclear plant.
Not that coal is ideal but if one believes the current propaganda it can
actually
on 2012-08-14 10:04 George Sinos wrote
So, wind and solar can be used to defer the use of traditional
resources, but eventually those traditional resources will be needed.
something that runs continuously is needed, but it could still be renewable;
there are also several potential mitigators:
Whether you pay the premium or not, the wind resources available will be used.
You're just subsidizing the utility company. I'd want to examine their balance
sheet closely before signing up for that. If you're in the United States (sorry
I can't recall), your utility company is probably
I found some much cooler (no pun intended) shots here:
http://trigphotography.smugmug.com/keyword/brayton%20point#!i=1381233189k=67M9Bw3
and here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jpenney/6091113316/
My shot does not really convey how large they loom on the horizon. As
I was flying out of Green
From: knarftheriault
Ah, well, my comment in the previous post about those things being
scary was because I thought it was a nuclear plant.
Not that coal is ideal but if one believes the current propaganda it
can actually be quite clean these days. I think I'd prefer fossil
fuel to nuclear.
13, 2012, at 3:50 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com
wrote:
Duh Me too
Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers
Ah, well, my comment in the previous post
From: Daniel J. Matyola
We spend a lot here on alternatives. Ever hear of Solyndra?
Oh yeah. I hear a *lot* about Solyndra; a lot of falsehood innuendo.
Some things that don't seem to get mentioned very often:
The Solyndra loan guarantee was a multi-year process started by the Bush
Kenneth Waller
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From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers
From: Daniel J. Matyola
We spend a lot here on alternatives. Ever hear of Solyndra?
Oh yeah. I hear a *lot* about
on 2012-08-14 10:46 Paul Stenquist wrote
Whether you pay the premium or not, the wind resources available will be used. You're
just subsidizing the utility company. I'd want to examine their balance sheet closely
before signing up for that. If you're in the United States (sorry I can't
on 2012-08-14 11:07 John Sessoms wrote
Do you live in a well insulated house? What did the manufacturer of that
insulation do with the chemical residues from the manufacturing process, and
what environmental damage ensued from extracting the raw materials?
i just had my attic insulation
On Aug 14, 2012, at 5:03 PM, steve harley wrote:
on 2012-08-14 10:46 Paul Stenquist wrote
Whether you pay the premium or not, the wind resources available will be
used. You're just subsidizing the utility company. I'd want to examine their
balance sheet closely before signing up for that.
on 2012-08-14 18:50 Paul Stenquist wrote
That's commendable, and Colorado needs it. According to the last EPA
measurement of regional power and the Union of Concerned Scientists, Colorado
has the dirtiest power in the United States in terms of CO2 emissions, or at
least it did in 2009.
i
From: kwaller
Kenneth Waller
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From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers
From: Daniel J. Matyola
We spend a lot here on alternatives. Ever hear of Solyndra?
Oh yeah. I hear
Panetta.
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From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers
From: kwaller
Kenneth Waller
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From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
Subject: Re: Peso: The White
, Kenneth Waller wrote:
Panetta.
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Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers
From: kwaller
Kenneth Waller
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From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
Subject: Re
On 8/14/2012 9:47 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: kwaller
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers
From: Daniel J. Matyola
We spend a lot here on alternatives
I don't mean to be arguing with you Frank. We want the same thing;
I'm just a lot more pessimistic than you.
My wife and I have met with contractors in three separate years over
the last 15 or so to try to install solar on our roof, which has a
large southern exposure, but it just isn't
I've been producing editorial materials for a utility company for several
years, and I worked with the Union of Concerned Scientists when writing an
article for the Times about the environmental effects electric car charging, so
I've gotten pretty deep into the electrical grid, how it
That indeed is the problem.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Paul Stenquist
pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
And a vast majority of those who want clean energy don't want to pay for it.
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I didn't' mean to sound high-handed so let me state my point more
calmly ;-) What I mean is the following. Suppose that, for some
reason, the US Department of Defense wanted to implement the plan
stated in this article. They would mow down the remaining technical
issues and most of it would be
Kind of scary tha t they're still building those things.
The juxtaposition between the lush green foreground and the stark concrete
towers makes for a powerful photo.
Cheers,
frank
What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. --
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can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. --
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From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com
Sent: August 11, 2012 8/11/12
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers
Nope. Fall River, Mass. That's
,
frank
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From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com
Sent: August 11, 2012 8/11/12
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Nope. Fall
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Sent: 12 August 2012 18:55
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Frank, you don't like nuclear energy, you don't like coal, I'm sure you
don't like frakking, or oil pipelines. I guess you don't like
electricity either.
Dan Matyola
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Daniel J. Matyola
Sent: 12 August 2012 18:55
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Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers
Frank, you don't like nuclear energy, you don't like coal, I'm sure you
don't like frakking, or oil pipelines. I guess you don't like
,
tree hugger pinko frank
;-)
What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. --
Christopher Hitchens
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From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com
Sent: August 12, 2012 8/12/12
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Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers
more cloud factories:
http://www.web-options.com/Pick2007/content/_6025459_large.html
B
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Daniel J. Matyola
Sent: 12 August 2012 18:55
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List
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Frank, you don't like nuclear energy, you don't like coal, I'm sure you
don't like frakking, or oil pipelines. I guess you don't like
electricity either.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:12 PM
: Peso: The White Towers
Frank, you don't like nuclear energy, you don't like coal, I'm sure you
don't like frakking, or oil pipelines. I guess you don't like
electricity either.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:12 PM, knarftheria
I'm not going to continue arguing Dan. I doubt very much that I'm going to
change your mind on this issue and I know that you won't change mine.
As a parting shot however, let me just say that if everyone lived by your last
sentence we would never have progress.
We would just keep on going
Is that Three Mile Is, PA ?
Walt
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
I went to my hometown last week to visit my family. I hadn't been
home in about 4 years, and I while walking through the park I got a
good view of some new construction:
Nope. Fall River, Mass. That's a coal-fired power plant. The hot
water they were releasing into the river was harming the fish, so they
built cooling towers like aNuclear plant. It's essentially a
self-contained system. As funny as it is, those towers make the plant
a bit more green.
On
It's a cloud factory!
B
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Steven Desjardins
I went to my hometown last week to visit my family. I hadn't been home
in about 4 years, and I while walking through the park I got a good
view of some new construction:
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