Subject: RE: Stopped By The Police Again
ah, but they pretend not to know what they really know so that we
think they
don't know what they do know. As any John le Carre reader knows.
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Cheers,
Bob
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From: Gautam Sarup [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent
Subject: RE: Stopped By The Police Again
Scary, but no cigar yet. For if they knew all that we
surmise they do, they would have know a lot that they should
have known but did not, in fact, know.
Now you all can detangle that for yourselves. g
Cheers,
Gautam
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Each cell phone can be traced, regardless of the SIM card used:
Check: IMEI number (International Mobile Equipment Identity) in Google
This technique was used to solve a murder case, last year, in Belgium.
The murderers activated the stolen cell phone with another CIM card.
Normally EMEI is
everything that flies through the ether.
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Cheers,
Bob
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From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 October 2005
19:41
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
The funny thing about all this is if I were a spy, or a pervert
today
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From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 October 2005
19:41
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
The funny thing about all this is if I were a spy, or a pervert
today, I would us a camera/phone. No one would pay any attention to
me. I
The funny thing about all this is if I were a spy, or a pervert today, I
would us a camera/phone. No one would pay any attention to me. I could
sent the photos off to a safe place, and erase them from the phone
before anyone accosted me.
Is that what the police and security people look for,
Proof
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William Robb wrote:
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Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
The cop will threaten to write you up for obstructing an
investigation, loitering, disorderly conduct and everything else he
can think
.
Back to the ACLU... recent article...
http://www.uexpress.com/johnleo/
Tom C.
From: keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:47:47 -0700
William Robb wrote:
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Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
The funny thing about all this is if I were a spy, or a
pervert today, I would us a camera/phone. No one would pay
any attention to me. I could sent the photos off to a safe
place, and erase them from the phone before anyone accosted me.
Is that what
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From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 25 October 2005 19:41
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
The funny thing about all this is if I were a spy, or a
pervert today, I would us a camera/phone. No one would pay
any attention to me. I
From: John Francis
I think it's a hard line to draw as to just how cooperative to be.
My gut feel is that I would draw the line at showing the contents
of the camera. I'd try and explain that I wouldn't mind showing
the picture to Ted/Joe/whatever his name is as a person, but as
a
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1357513.stm
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Cheers,
Bob
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From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 25 October 2005 22:05
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
Ever hear of a needle in a haystack, Bob?
and how about this one:
http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/
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Cheers,
Bob
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From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1357513.stm
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Cheers,
Bob
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From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is sort of like Google, Bob. Googles spiders scan everything on the
internet (except maybe they honor robot.txt file and skip some things).
If you put in a couple of keywords you get 200,000 hits. You add in a
couple of more and get none whatsoever. A lot of your success depends
upon their
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:22:01 -0400
It is sort of like Google, Bob. Googles spiders scan everything on the
internet (except maybe they honor robot.txt file and skip some things). If
you put in a couple of keywords you get 200,000
Tom C wrote:
Does that mean that if I write B**b New Orleans, and I use 'New
Orleans' as the code phrase meaning NYC, just on Tuesday this week, and
similarly next week except on Wednesday only, that an alert will be
issued for the wrong city or they'll look in the wrong place? Oh my!
Tom
: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 4:29 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: Stopped By The Police Again
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1357513.stm
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Cheers,
Bob
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From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 25 October 2005 22:05
To: pentax
and mean-spirited when they are ususally written as jest and good-natured
humor.
From: keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:47:31 -0700
Tom C wrote:
Does that mean that if I
-
From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 25 October 2005 19:41
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
The funny thing about all this is if I were a spy, or a
pervert today, I would us a camera/phone. No one would pay
any attention to me. I could sent
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From: keith_w
Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
All they need is a suspicion, and you're toast. Until they hold you long
enough to decide you were just kidding.
K!!
Can though police be far behind.
William Robb
On Oct 26, 2005, at 9:39 AM, Bob W wrote:
They don't need people to check on camera phones. GCHQ and the NSA
have
their little tricks for checking everything that flies through the
ether.
No need to get too tricky: a quick call to the phone company would
turn up anything they needed.
-
The thought police have been with us since the 1930's, but they've begun
to come into their own in the last 15years.
William Robb wrote:
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The Police Again
All they need is a suspicion, and you're toast. Until they hold
Well, one of two things happens.
Either he arrests me, or he lets me go.
Assuming he's basically an honest cop, not out to frame me,
he must know that at this point he's quite probably going to
end up with no evidence that would stand up in court, and
maybe a suit for wrongful arrest - bad for
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
So how do you think that would play out? Cop wants to see the pics, you
tell him he'll have to come up with some legal entitlement before that
happens, and that you want to run it past a lawyer first, in any case. Now
there you are, on the street. What do you think the
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
So how do you think that would play out? Cop wants to see the pics, you
tell him he'll have to come up with some legal entitlement before that
happens, and that you want to run
The cop will threaten to write you up for obstructing an investigation,
loitering, disorderly conduct and everything else he can think up.
Tom Reese
If the cop isn't acting within his rights, then what happens next is either
the cop backs down, an a civil liberty isn't taken away, or the
That's pretty close to what I think might happen. IAC, John would probably
be detained for quite some time.
IMO, regardless of what your rights are, you really need to assess the
situation and decide for yourself what the best course of action is. As I
asked once before, I wonder how many of
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
The cop will threaten to write you up for obstructing an investigation,
loitering, disorderly conduct and everything else he can think up.
Sure, and he will probably do it.
Just make sure
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From: keith_w
Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
No, I think not. I'm not some small-minded activist, who will take it to
the highest court, just to make a legal point! Out there be dragons!
This is what those who abuse their power count on.
I
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From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
That's pretty close to what I think might happen. IAC, John would
probably
be detained for quite some time.
IMO, regardless of what your rights are, you really need to assess the
situation
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: keith_w
Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
No, I think not. I'm not some small-minded activist, who will take it
to the highest court, just to make a legal point! Out there be dragons!
This is what those who abuse their power
]
Sent: 24 October 2005 11:30
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
The cop will threaten to write you up for obstructing an
investigation, loitering, disorderly conduct and everything
else he can think up.
Tom Reese
If the cop isn't acting within
- Original Message -
From: keith_w
Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
, but merely inquiring into my intentions and such I do not consider
violations of my human rights.
Here, we differ in opinion.
I feel I have a right to be judged by what I do, not by what I may do.
I
THAT is totally cool!
It goes to show that your intial cooperative response
was the correct one.
You now have a new friend, that's a very good thing.
Don
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From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:53 AM
To:
On 10/23/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yesterday I was walking from my friend's house along the same route I took
when stopped by the police earlier in the week. It was another pleasant
day and I wanted to grab a few specific shots of things I saw on my earlier
walk. One of the
On Sunday, October 23, 2005, at 09:53 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
We talked for about twenty minutes - he even asked if my back was
feeling
any better - and then he got a radio call and had to take off.
Several years ago I was driving on a very remote dirt road in Nevada.
That evening
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
We talked for about twenty minutes - he even asked if my back
was feeling any better - and then he got a radio call and had
to take off.
I trust you recommended a Pentax!
I hope whatever you've recommended goes down well or they'll be another
thread entitled 'Down at
Sure ...you gotta give 'em a chance. Had you taken the stance that some
people have suggested and, when he asked what you were up to, told him it
was none of his business, protested being investigated or harassed, and so
forth, you both would have had lousy evenings and you'd not have had time
to
Excellent follow up Shel.
It is for that exact reason not to get in a cops face. Particularly if
you live in an area where it is likely you could bump into them again.
Most are decent people just trying to make a crust.
Dave
On 10/23/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yesterday I was
Most police officers are very social people, otherwise they would
pursue a different line of work. More of their day is being a sort of
social worker than being an armed law enforcement agent. But their
days can be stressful, and I'm sure they mirror the kind of
temperament they receive.
people, just doing their job,
just like me. ;-)
Don
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From: Bob Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 10:19 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
Most police officers are very social people, otherwise
Hi Bob ...
Remember how much fun we had with the police officers we met when we were
by the museum in Chicago. The woman officer on horseback pretending to
arrest me so you could grab a humorous snap, and the traffic officer who
posed for a few snaps from me. Her big, infectious, gap-toothed
On Sunday, October 23, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Remember how much fun we had with the police officers we met when we
were
by the museum in Chicago. The woman officer on horseback pretending to
arrest me so you could grab a humorous snap, and the traffic officer
who
posed
Yes, I remember both officers well.
The mounted officer was positively friendly.
The traffic officer with the 'gap' in her smile
was wary at first, but quickly came around.
Always pays to be friendly to the cops!
Regards, Bob S.
On 10/23/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Bob ...
That's very funny!
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Cheers,
Bob
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From: Bob Shell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Then there was the mounted cop in NYC who put a pall over my
first visit to that fine city. I stopped him and asked where
the nearest
subway was. His reply, a gruff, Under your
Here's a snap of the traffic officer. I wasn't satisfied with it so I
didn't post it. I may redo it at some point.
http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/finest2.html
Shel
[Original Message]
From: Bob Sullivan
Yes, I remember both officers well.
The mounted officer was positively
And here's a snap of the 'arrest' that foggy morning...
members.aol.com/rfsindg/Cuff-him.jpg
Regards, Bob S.
On 10/23/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's a snap of the traffic officer. I wasn't satisfied with it so I
didn't post it. I may redo it at some point.
Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Bob Shell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Then there was the mounted cop in NYC who put a pall over my
first visit to that fine city. I stopped him and asked where
the nearest subway was. His reply, a gruff, Under your feet buddy!
He must have been having
At 10:00 AM 10/23/2005, Don Sanderson wrote:
THAT is totally cool!
It goes to show that your intial cooperative response
was the correct one.
You now have a new friend, that's a very good thing.
Don
Actually, he was just showing his good cop side. He was merely trying to
trick Shel into
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:25:59 -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:
Have you ever heard the correct way to ask for directions in New York
City?
No, but I've heard a New York echo ...
Hellloo
Shut the f*** up!
TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: Stopped By The Police Again
Shel Belinkoff
Sun, 23 Oct 2005 07:21:41 -0700
Sure ...you gotta give 'em a chance. Had you taken the stance that some
people have suggested and, when he asked what you were up to, told him it
was none of his business, protested being investigated or harassed
I think if you read the entire thread again (yeah, right!) you'll see that
a couple of people made comments to that effect.
Shel
[Original Message]
From: William Robb
Sure ...you gotta give 'em a chance. Had you taken the stance that some
people have suggested and, when he asked what
Hi!
Here's a snap of the traffic officer. I wasn't satisfied with it so I
didn't post it. I may redo it at some point.
http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/finest2.html
Shel, he really comes across as a very friendly kind of guy... You know,
the police officer that everyone likes and
He is a woman . LOL
Shel
[Original Message]
From: Boris Liberman
http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/finest2.html
Shel, he really comes across as a very friendly kind of guy... You know,
the police officer that everyone likes and respects and generally
behaves in his presence...
On 10/23/05, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And here's a snap of the 'arrest' that foggy morning...
members.aol.com/rfsindg/Cuff-him.jpg
that horse is remaining remarkably calm. LOL
seriously, nice shot, bob!
-frank
--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
On 10/23/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's a snap of the traffic officer. I wasn't satisfied with it so I
didn't post it. I may redo it at some point.
http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/finest2.html
great smile, nicely captured!
-frank
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Sharpness is a bourgeois
I think it's a hard line to draw as to just how cooperative to be.
My gut feel is that I would draw the line at showing the contents
of the camera. I'd try and explain that I wouldn't mind showing
the picture to Ted/Joe/whatever his name is as a person, but as
a duly empowered officer of the
So how do you think that would play out? Cop wants to see the pics, you
tell him he'll have to come up with some legal entitlement before that
happens, and that you want to run it past a lawyer first, in any case. Now
there you are, on the street. What do you think the cop might say, or what
do
Nothing spooks those NYC police horse. Used to be able to say the same
for the Detroit ones, but I believe they are long gone. Interestingly
when they had important formations like for visits of the Queen the RCMP
used to borrow horses from both cities, seems they were better trained
or
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From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Re: Stopped By The Police Again
So how do you think that would play out? Cop wants to see the pics, you
tell him he'll have to come up with some legal entitlement before that
happens, and that you want to run it past a lawyer first
People in authority (and that's too generic a way
of stating things) are just like us with an
important exception. They have the authority to use
force in circumstances where the rest of us can't.
It speaks volumes for the civilization of Western
countries that the cops are for the most part
Hi!
He is a woman . LOL
Aaargh, Shel, you're the naughty one... ;-)
Boris
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