Re: Long lenses-- was Street Dancers

2005-06-28 Thread David Volkert
In defense of long lenses (and in a way in defense of my photo) I would add that longer lenses have a way of working around other people in a imperfect shooting environment. For example in my photo I was trying to crop out the boy's brother who was drawing on the asphalt on all fours which wou

Re: Long lenses-- was Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread SonC
In a message dated 6/27/2005 2:02:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 15:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In the Porto shots, it is amusing that in this one the subject has spotted > the sniper. > > http://x64.com/joaquim/photo/photo03/index-Page

Re: Long lenses-- was Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread Joaquim Carvalho
On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 15:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In the Porto shots, it is amusing that in this one the subject has spotted > the sniper. > > http://x64.com/joaquim/photo/photo03/index-Pages/Image19.html The father hasn't, he kept talking to the woman woman on the left, the kid I don'

Re: Long lenses-- was Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread Shel Belinkoff
That's not been my experience. Invariably the people I photograph loosen up, react and express themselves freely, and, even when deciding to pose, show their true personalities (I think the recent PESO "The Poser" shows that clearly). Sometimes they just go on about their business. However, I'm

Re: Long lenses-- was Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread keithw
Shel Belinkoff wrote: Not always - and so what if it does? Do you think hunting with a long lens results in more interesting or compelling photographs? I guess it depends on what you want to photograph. You can learn to be unobtrusive and accepted when photographing closer in - it may take a l

Re: Long lenses-- was Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread keithw
Joaquim Carvalho wrote: On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 15:22, Shel Belinkoff wrote: I wasn't going to comment on the photos, but since a discussion of sorts has opened up around them maybe I can add a thought or two. One of the biggest problems I see when using long lenses is that the photographer los

Re: Long lenses-- was Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread keithw
Shel Belinkoff wrote: I wasn't going to comment on the photos, but since a discussion of sorts has opened up around them maybe I can add a thought or two. [...] What Capa said years ago holds true today: "If your photos aren't good enough, you're not close enough." Shel Thanks, Shel! Whi

RE: Long lenses-- was Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Not always - and so what if it does? Do you think hunting with a long lens results in more interesting or compelling photographs? I guess it depends on what you want to photograph. You can learn to be unobtrusive and accepted when photographing closer in - it may take a little practice and certai

Re: Long lenses-- was Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread SonC
In a message dated 6/27/2005 10:41:28 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >>Yes but don't you think that when people feel the presence of a >>photographer they immediately change the way they behave? Not really, if the photographer acts natural. Just refuse to shoot shots

RE: Long lenses-- was Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread Joaquim Carvalho
On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 15:22, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > I wasn't going to comment on the photos, but since a discussion of sorts > has opened up around them maybe I can add a thought or two. One of the > biggest problems I see when using long lenses is that the photographer > loses contact - or never

RE: Long lenses-- was Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I wasn't going to comment on the photos, but since a discussion of sorts has opened up around them maybe I can add a thought or two. One of the biggest problems I see when using long lenses is that the photographer loses contact - or never even establishes contact - with the people s/he's photogra

Re: Long lenses-- was Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday in my comments about the Porto shots, I mentioned that using a longer lens tends to get us into a sniper mood when we take to the streets. ... Yes, I agree. While walking through the SF Pride festivities yesterday, I fitte

Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-12 Thread Herb Chong
i didn't say that. i said that some publications will pay less. Herb - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 09:40 Subject: Re: Long lenses handheld? > Really. Do you think all the great wildl

Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-12 Thread Pentxuser
Really. Do you think all the great wildlife shots in outdoor photographer and other magazines are shot in places other than National parks, from blinds around feeders etc... These guys don't just walk around the woods with huge lenses and 800 asa film hoping to find something that will sit still

Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-12 Thread Herb Chong
the editorial value of such shots is less, if you submit to a publication that cares about these things. Herb - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 09:15 Subject: Re: Long lenses handheld? > Paul I

Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-12 Thread Pentxuser
This is true. But there are many areas Florida to name one, where these birds are easily approched. There are many areas in Ontario where Great Blues are quite approachable and easily photographed with a 300mm. In a message dated 3/11/03 9:29:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Besides, feeders

Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-12 Thread Pentxuser
Paul I certainly would grant you that. The hunt is part of the fun. But after years of photographing wildlife I've come to the conclusion that if you want excellent shots of wild animals and birds you really need to find subjects that are not weary of human beings. The best places to find these

Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-11 Thread Gregory L. Hansen
Paul Stenquist wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I wouldn't shoot them at the feeder. A properly placed branch above the > > feeder with the right background and you are off to the races... > > > I've done that. It can be nice. But I prefer to find birds in their > natural habitat. The hun

Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-11 Thread Paul Stenquist
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I wouldn't shoot them at the feeder. A properly placed branch above the > feeder with the right background and you are off to the races... > I've done that. It can be nice. But I prefer to find birds in their natural habitat. The hunt is part of the fun. Paul

Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-11 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10 Mar 2003 at 23:42, Ryan K. Brooks wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 3/10/03 11:17:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > >>I'm not sure I follow you here, but it's probably just me. If you want > >>to get an IS lens, certainly Canon are presently the folks with t

Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-11 Thread Dr E D F Williams
hor's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 8:31 AM Subject: Re: Long lenses handheld? > I have found that it's very d

Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-11 Thread Paul Stenquist
I have found that it's very difficult to shoot birds in the wild with anything less than an 800. Sure, at a backyard bird feeder, you can get closer. But pictures of birds at the feeder get tedious in a hurry. I frequently shoot birds in wooded areas where some of the best shots find them high off

Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-10 Thread Ryan K. Brooks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/10/03 11:17:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure I follow you here, but it's probably just me. If you want to get an IS lens, certainly Canon are presently the folks with the goods. You may be overestimating IS, though, if you think it replac

Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-10 Thread Ryan K. Brooks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man I don't want to go here again but I can't help it. If you want high quality images you have to use a relatively slow speed film with a tripod. In the case of a 1000mm lens — two tripods— one on the camera and one steadying the lens. One question: Why a 1000 mm lens?

Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-10 Thread Ryan K. Brooks
Good luck with that. Ryan "my A*400/2.8 isn't nearly long enough for bird shots" Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not really sure about this comment, but it is always better to use a shorter lens and find a way to move in closer than stick a big long lens on and stay far away. Atmospheric haze,

Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-10 Thread Pentxuser
Not really sure about this comment, but it is always better to use a shorter lens and find a way to move in closer than stick a big long lens on and stay far away. Atmospheric haze, slower lens, camera shake all conspire against the users of very long lenses. This person wants to shoot birds. Fi

Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-10 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
I love this. "I have no idea what you're trying to do, but I'm going to tell you to do it differently." BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why a 1000 mm lens? Use a 300 or a 400 and work on getting two or three times closer to your subject. Vic

Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-10 Thread Peter Alling
Longest lens I use is 600mm, I guess some people can't tell a tongue in cheek answer without a smiley. At 11:27 PM 3/10/2003 -0500, you wrote: Man I don't want to go here again but I can't help it. If you want high quality images you have to use a relatively slow speed film with a tripod. In the

Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-10 Thread Pentxuser
In a message dated 3/10/03 11:17:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >I'm not sure I follow you here, but it's probably just me. If you want >to get an IS lens, certainly Canon are presently the folks with the goods. > > >You may be overestimating IS, though, if you think it replaces good technique

Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nick Zentena wrote: Isn't it > going to take a combination of very fast film and a sunny day to have any > chance to hold such a lens? How about a monopod instead? I regularly handhold a 400mm plus A2X-S converter (800mm equivelant). With iso 800 film and good light, I can shoot at 1/1000. But I

Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-10 Thread Peter Alling
Yes, very fast film and bright sun. You'd be well advised to brace it somehow, a monopod will work fine. At 04:30 PM 3/10/2003 -0500, you wrote: On March 10, 2003 04:04 pm, Gregory L. Hansen wrote: > Doug Brewer said: > > Why on Earth would you hand hold 1000mm? > > > > At 02:30 PM 3/10/03, you w

Re: Long lenses colour: white or green? Important things

2002-06-16 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Fred wrote: >Gee whiz, back in February, when I mentioned the greenish color of >some of the big A* lens barrels, Pål asked ~me~ "Are you suffering >from some kind of weird color blindness?" Hmmm... ;-) I swear I can't see this green color. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: Long lenses colour: white or green? Important things

2002-06-15 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Rob wrote: >I don't know about the colour miraculously making a cream to yellow green >transition as you move from indoors to out however they definitely are a >light >green in colour (mine is anyway). Did this lens turn green after it arrived in Australia? I can swear it was white when I ow

Re: Long lenses colour: white or green? Important things

2002-06-14 Thread Rob Studdert
On 14 Jun 2002 at 21:20, Fred wrote: > I showed something like this previously, using images from Pentax > USA's site: > > http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax/wt&grn.htm Er, um, that's pretty green :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: Long lenses colour: white or green? Important things

2002-06-14 Thread Fred
> In order to lay the thread to rest once and for all Er, that's not likely to happen, Rob - "Minutia 'R' us" - . > I just shot my A*300f2.8 lens along side an old hood (darker > green) using my digital camera white balanced on a sheet of > regular white copy paper, I deliberately slightly under

Re: Long lenses colour: white or green? Important things

2002-06-14 Thread Rob Studdert
On 14 Jun 2002 at 16:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I remember with a mix of sadness and sympathy a relatively long thread > sometime ago about the true colour of Pentax long teles. This was one of > the times I thought about how far can some things go on a list, about > sanity, etc... > > Well,

RE: long lenses

2001-12-11 Thread Kent Gittings
Or you could do it my way. I carefully built up a system over many years. Then out of the blue I stumbled onto a super sweet deal on a long pro telephoto in another camera mount. Then I started selling my old stuff and adding down into the new system. Sometimes the best laid plans get hijacked. Ke

eBay Was: Re: long lenses

2001-12-10 Thread Chris Brogden
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Dan Scott wrote: > Bidders Fever is tricky. I bid on a SuperRicohflex once (Tonka "tough" TLR) > without wanting it or knowing what it was. I keep it around as reminder > that a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place. > My first (or one of my first

Re: long lenses

2001-12-10 Thread Dan Scott
The first step is admitting you are powerless over your disease; the second step is to come to believe a power greater than you can restore you to sanity; the third step is to send me all your money (puts evil temptation out of reach). It should work--I certainly can't see any flaws. Bidders Feve