RE: OT: new camera

2010-10-30 Thread Tanya Love
- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: Sunday, 24 October 2010 4:08 AM To: pentax list Subject: Re: OT: new camera On 23/10/10, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: it's time for Bill to act like an adult, and it's time for list members

RE: OT: new camera

2010-10-30 Thread Tanya Love
006 740 -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of frank theriault Sent: Sunday, 24 October 2010 10:13 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: new camera On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:58 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO

RE: OT: new camera

2010-10-30 Thread Tanya Love
Great question John! Tanya Love Photographer www.lovebytes.com.au m: 0458 006 740 -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms Sent: Sunday, 24 October 2010 10:54 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: new camera How far

RE: OT: new camera

2010-10-30 Thread Tanya Love
-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: new camera We need a PDML time out corner. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo

RE: OT: new camera

2010-10-30 Thread Tanya Love
October 2010 2:44 AM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: OT: new camera that's quite easy. People are free to do whatever they want as long as they don't infringe other people's rights to the same thing - my freedom to swing my fist stops where your face begins. Where words are concerned

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-30 Thread Cotty
On 30/10/10, Tanya Love, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty, those yanks won't get that! A fanny pack isn't funny to them. On the other hand, it's not lost on us Aussies, I *know* what a fanny is and I really don't think you are part of said pack! lol. Yeah but I wanna be ;-) -- Cheers,

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-30 Thread Cotty
On 30/10/10, Tanya Love, discombobulated, unleashed: Bill *could* have been exclaiming in a high pitched feminine voice There are many many things in this world that I can easily imagine. This is not one of them. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-25 Thread Boris Liberman
On 10/24/2010 7:06 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Exactly. Of course since this right of expression extends to all, we are all free to point out bigotry and abominable behavior when it occurs. And if the person who made the nasty comment can't handle the fact that his conduct was duly noted, then he

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-25 Thread Boris Liberman
On 10/24/2010 10:02 PM, paul stenquist wrote: I didn't find it the least bit entertaining. Sorry, but verbal abuse is not my thing. Paul I totally agree, Paul. You're quite right. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-25 Thread Boris Liberman
On 10/24/2010 8:42 PM, Bob W wrote: why? isn't pompous twittery also an inherent trait? If you limit other people's right to say things you don't like, someone else will limit your right to say things they don't like. We all know where that leads. B It is pretty much impossible to limit

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-25 Thread Steven Desjardins
Using hate crime for this diminishes the use of the phrase when it is actually warranted. We're talking about a snarky remark expressing dislike (uncivil but in bounds) expressed in an unacceptable way. Just to note, there has been an expected response. Folks used their own freedom of speech to

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-25 Thread Jeffery Smith
Y'all may be right on that, but hate speech of that type directed publicly at a single named individual is, IMO, a greater offense that hate speech that applies to nameless groups of individuals. It's moot here since Godfrey doesn't seem at all ruffled or intimidated by it. Some individuals

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-25 Thread Steven Desjardins
I'm not excusing the offense. I'm just saying that people being people are more likely to do bad things with words, especially on a keyboard. My point is, to use the old phrase, hate the sin not the sinner. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote: Y'all

RE: OT: new camera

2010-10-25 Thread Bob W
Finally, like Hari Seldon said I exercise restraint and this has nothing to do funny that because his brother Hari Krishna said The sun is Kali, and I am what I am. Which kind of brings us full circle in a cosmic sort of way. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-25 Thread Larry Colen
On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Bob W wrote: Finally, like Hari Seldon said I exercise restraint and this has nothing to do funny that because his brother Hari Krishna said The sun is Kali, and I am what I am. But his band The Seldon Scene was the foundation for a whole new music empire.

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Boris Liberman
Concerning the foul language, I think that it should be common agreement that Igor, I and partially Bob W are the biggest. If Igor and/or I start with Russian Mat, it won't be pretty at all. And Bob, given his multilinguinity :-) will be our deputy :-). On the serious note, I still fail to

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Boris Liberman
On 10/23/2010 6:41 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Using the F word to describe a gay male is equivalent to using the N word to describe a person of color. Both indicate intolerance, which is the definition of bigotry. Both are grossly unacceptable on any forum. Of course, when Robb erupts into

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Boris Liberman
On 10/24/2010 2:12 AM, paul stenquist wrote: There are those that Bill never abuses, even when they disagree with him, apparently they have gained his favor. That's fine. But I'm not going to tolerate his nastiness, and I don't think anyone else should have to either. If he wants to behave like

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Boris Liberman
On 10/24/2010 3:28 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote: It's easy to get angry on forums, but some posts go beyond anger. I've lost my cool on forums before, and regretted it. I've apologized both onlist and offlist (simultaneously) when I've overstepped civility. It's a win-win resolution. Apologies were

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Boris Liberman
On 10/23/2010 9:38 PM, Larry Colen wrote: For example, last month I picked up a friend at the airport, and Candice greeted me with Yo, niggah!. When a black woman calls a white jewish man, who is a close friend niggah, she gets a laugh and a hug. I recently learned about existence of work

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Boris Liberman
On 10/23/2010 4:28 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: For me, what this pro-grade body nets as advantage (other than its improvements in image stabilization, viewfinder quality, resolution, etc over my existing equipment, is it's responsiveness and noise control. Oh! So, my assumption is approved by

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Boris Liberman
On 10/23/2010 11:02 PM, Larry Colen wrote: The first time you do it, it can take a bit of work, but it's quite easy. The tricky bit is with the shim behind the screen, getting it to stay in place, or go back in place. The screens come with a tweezer for holding the screen, but I'd recommend

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Boris Liberman
On 10/23/2010 10:17 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I guess I should avoid beans with my huevos rancheros in the future, eh? ]'-) 'Huevos' sounds awfully close to the certain Russian word which as an old joke goes is actually a basis for all fences. First the word is written, then the fence is

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Larry Colen
On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:22 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 10/23/2010 11:02 PM, Larry Colen wrote: The first time you do it, it can take a bit of work, but it's quite easy. The tricky bit is with the shim behind the screen, getting it to stay in place, or go back in place. The screens come

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Larry Colen
On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:14 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 10/23/2010 9:38 PM, Larry Colen wrote: For example, last month I picked up a friend at the airport, and Candice greeted me with Yo, niggah!. When a black woman calls a white jewish man, who is a close friend niggah, she gets a laugh

RE: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Bob W
Concerning the foul language, I think that it should be common agreement that Igor, I and partially Bob W are the biggest. If Igor and/or I start with Russian Mat, it won't be pretty at all. And Bob, given his multilinguinity :-) will be our deputy :-). On the serious note, I still fail to

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Rob Studdert
On 24 October 2010 19:21, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: the only person who could enforce a ban is Doug, so calling for bans is silly. Personally I'm not in favour of banning anything. People should try to be as polite as possible, and as polite as they would be in real world company. If

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Boris Liberman
On 10/24/2010 10:21 AM, Bob W wrote: the only person who could enforce a ban is Doug, so calling for bans is silly. Personally I'm not in favour of banning anything. People should try to be as polite as possible, and as polite as they would be in real world company. If they can't be polite - and

RE: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Bob W
the only person who could enforce a ban is Doug, so calling for bans is silly. Personally I'm not in favour of banning anything. People should try to be as polite as possible, and as polite as they would be in real world company. If they can't be polite - and we all have our moments -

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Subash
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 09:21:33 +0100 Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: If they can't be polite - and we all have our moments - then everyone else has the right to ignore them if they want to. you forget people have their self-righteous moments too :) and it's not even the first time in my

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Larry Colen
On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:52 AM, Subash wrote: On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 09:21:33 +0100 Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: If they can't be polite - and we all have our moments - then everyone else has the right to ignore them if they want to. you forget people have their self-righteous moments

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Subash
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 02:51:08 -0700 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:52 AM, Subash wrote: http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2007-February/057146.html Thank you Subash. It's nice to know that somebody on this list can write something approaching decent

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:58 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO there's no place for bigotry on this list - or anywhere else. Show me where anything in that sentence isn't true Frank? You may not like the choice of terminology, but it doesn't indicate bigotry, only contempt,

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread paul stenquist
On Oct 24, 2010, at 4:21 AM, Bob W wrote: Concerning the foul language, I think that it should be common agreement that Igor, I and partially Bob W are the biggest. If Igor and/or I start with Russian Mat, it won't be pretty at all. And Bob, given his multilinguinity :-) will be our deputy

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread John Sessoms
How far should tolerance of intolerance extend? From: Steven Desjardins I'm never happy to see anyone just go away. Tolerance extends in many directions. We're never stronger for losing someone, even if that strength is the result of patience on our part. Maybe I'm sensitive to this because I

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Jack Davis
and clarity and consistently check his thread comments. I very much value his perceived respect for my thoughts and work. His leaving the list would be sad indeed. Jack --- On Sun, 10/24/10, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: new

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread David J Brooks
We need a PDML time out corner. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML,

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Cotty
On 24/10/10, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: the only person who could enforce a ban is Doug, so calling for bans is silly. Personally I'm not in favour of banning anything. People should try to be as polite as possible, and as polite as they would be in real world company. If they can't be

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Cotty
On 24/10/10, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: you're starting to sound like Cotty* Bob *I used the C-word... Them's fighting words. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread drd1135
pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: new camera How far should tolerance of intolerance extend? From: Steven Desjardins I'm never happy to see anyone just go away. Tolerance extends in many directions. We're never stronger for losing someone, even if that strength is the result of patience on our part

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread drd1135
Oh, new word alert: the Doug-ban. -Original Message- From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 10:46:36 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: new camera On 10/24/2010

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/23/2010 4:28 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: For me, what this pro-grade body nets as advantage (other than its  improvements in image stabilization, viewfinder quality, resolution, etc over my existing equipment, is

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 4:50 AM, Subash pdml.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 02:51:08 -0700 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:52 AM, Subash wrote: http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2007-February/057146.html Thank you Subash. It's nice to know that

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread John Sessoms
From: Boris Liberman On the serious note, I still fail to see how one's sexual preferences or any other such preferences of private matter have to do with this list. Specifically, I am thinking that even mention of one's sexual preferences should be simply banned by common agreement here. I

RE: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Bob W
it's Japanese Oh, new word alert: the Doug-ban. -Original Message- From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 10:46:36 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: new

RE: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Bob W
the only person who could enforce a ban is Doug, so calling for bans is silly. Personally I'm not in favour of banning anything. People should try to be as polite as possible, and as polite as they would be in real world company. If they can't be polite - and we all have our moments - then

RE: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Bob W
that's quite easy. People are free to do whatever they want as long as they don't infringe other people's rights to the same thing - my freedom to swing my fist stops where your face begins. Where words are concerned, people have the right to say any damn thing they want provided other people are

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-10-24 12:43, Bob W wrote: - one should not have to tolerate lies - but simply insulting someone as an expression of opinion is something we should all tolerate. FWIW, that's my position, too, Bob. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread eckinator
2010/10/24 Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com: On 2010-10-24 12:43, Bob W wrote: - one should not have to tolerate lies - but simply insulting someone as an expression of opinion is something we should all tolerate. to some extent. i think insulting someone based on an inherent

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread paul stenquist
On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-10-24 12:43, Bob W wrote: - one should not have to tolerate lies - but simply insulting someone as an expression of opinion is something we should all tolerate. FWIW, that's my position, too, Bob. Exactly. Of course since this

RE: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Bob W
to some extent. i think insulting someone based on an inherent property or trait is crossing a line. calling names is fine short of that line IMO but not beyond it. i can handle pompous twit as an insult just fine but faggot is too much why? isn't pompous twittery also an inherent trait? If

RE: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Jack Davis
etc, etc, etc, etc --- On Sun, 10/24/10, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: RE: OT: new camera To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, October 24, 2010, 11:42 AM to some extent. i think insulting someone based

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread eckinator
2010/10/24 Bob W p...@web-options.com: why? isn't pompous twittery also an inherent trait? If you limit other people's right to say things you don't like, someone else will limit your right to say things they don't like. We all know where that leads. negative. i was only pointing out what I

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Larry Colen
On Oct 24, 2010, at 5:53 AM, John Sessoms wrote: How far should tolerance of intolerance extend? A friend of mine says that there are only two things that the Swedes won't tolerate, bigotry and gypsys. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Walter Gilbert
Shunning someone for boorish behavior isn't trampling on their rights. It's merely depriving them of a platform from which to engage in that boorish behavior ... a platform to which no one person is entitled. -- Walt why? isn't pompous twittery also an inherent trait? If you limit other

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Jeffery Smith
Boorish is putting it mildly. It DOES fall under hate crime (which includes insults and verbal abuse). I think hate crime is a clear line that we don't traverse on this list. Pompous gas bag is not a hate crime. Faggot is. I would prefer the way William F. Buckley introduced Norman Mailer

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Larry Colen
On Oct 24, 2010, at 10:06 AM, eckinator wrote: 2010/10/24 Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com: On 2010-10-24 12:43, Bob W wrote: - one should not have to tolerate lies - but simply insulting someone as an expression of opinion is something we should all tolerate. to some extent. i

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread paul stenquist
On Oct 24, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Oct 24, 2010, at 10:06 AM, eckinator wrote: 2010/10/24 Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com: On 2010-10-24 12:43, Bob W wrote: - one should not have to tolerate lies - but simply insulting someone as an expression of opinion is

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Carlos R
El 24/10/2010 22:02, paul stenquist escribió: I didn't find it the least bit entertaining. Sorry, but verbal abuse is not my thing. Paul Very well said, Paul. Carlos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Ken Waller
If someone insults you then you should be big enough to deal with it - we're all grown-ups, and it's just an email list. Oh MARK ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: RE: OT: new camera

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: drd1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: new camera Oh, new word alert: the Doug-ban. Is it all percussion or does it have woodwinds strings in it too? -Original Message- From: Boris

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Larry Colen
On Oct 24, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: drd1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: new camera Oh, new word alert: the Doug-ban. Is it all percussion or does it have woodwinds strings

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread John Sessoms
From: Jeffery Smith Boorish is putting it mildly. It DOES fall under hate crime (which includes insults and verbal abuse). I think hate crime is a clear line that we don't traverse on this list. Pompous gas bag is not a hate crime. Faggot is. I would prefer the way William F. Buckley introduced

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread John Sessoms
From: Larry Colen On Oct 24, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: drd1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: new camera Oh, new word alert: the Doug-ban. Is it all percussion or does it have

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Jeffery Smith
Still, I prefer him over today's far right. But, yes, he was breathtakingly full of himself. Jeffert On Oct 24, 2010, at 7:01 PM, John Sessoms wrote: OTOH, Buckley had his own moments of pompous gas baggery and boorishness. No actual civility from either side here. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Sandy Harris
Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote: Boorish is putting it mildly. It DOES fall under hate crime (which includes insults and verbal abuse). I think hate crime is a clear line that we don't traverse on this list. Pompous gas bag is not a hate crime. Faggot is. ... Let's not go off the

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Jeffery Smith
On Oct 24, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Sandy Harris wrote: However, it is obviously not a hate crime. Really? Does one have to use that word while committing an armed robbery or punching the recipient? Gay bashing has become a very hot button issue in the US, particularly in the past month, as has

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote: On Oct 24, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Sandy Harris wrote: However, it is obviously not a hate crime. Really? Does one have to use that word while committing an armed robbery or punching the recipient? Well, yes, that's

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread P. J. Alling
Learn the joy's of manual focus. Autofocus is for wimps. On 10/23/2010 10:39 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote: I do a significant amount of shooting theater productions, and the shutter lag is a major issue for me, as is sensitivity/dynamic range. The E-5 is significantly improved here, or is it

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-24 Thread P. J. Alling
Political correctness has officially run amuck here. Hate crime? Pulllease Someone's sensibilities being bruised is not a hate crime. Bill Robb, made a truthful statement in as offensive a manor as he could. So what. I've put both Godfrey and Bill on my kill list at different times

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: frank theriault wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: I don't filter you, Robb. I simply ignore you. MARK!! Sorry. I won't be able to include this quotation because I

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote: Well, with that one, I'm out of here. It's been fun, guys, until now. These things flare up for a bit and go away. I hope you stick around - your contributions have been valuable. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:21 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Hey good one liner from the pompous twit faggot. Too bad it is, apparently, not true. Attack his words and ideas? Fine. Attack his sexual preference? Completely out of line. IMHO there's no place for bigotry on this

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: frank theriault wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: I don't filter you, Robb. I simply ignore you. MARK!! Sorry. I won't be able to include this

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Cotty
On 23/10/10, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: IMHO there's no place for bigotry on this list - or anywhere else. I agree totally, and so do my wives. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com

RE: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Bob W
IMHO there's no place for bigotry on this list - or anywhere else. I agree totally, and so do my wives. you wouldn't say that if you were a bigot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Rob Studdert
On 23 October 2010 23:55, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 23/10/10, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: IMHO there's no place for bigotry on this list - or anywhere else. I agree totally, and so do my wives. They should probably just kiss and make up. -- Rob Studdert (Digital 

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Dario Bonazza
Cotty wrote: On 23/10/10, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: IMHO there's no place for bigotry on this list - or anywhere else. I agree totally, and so do my wives. kram... err mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
AMEN On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 6:31 AM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:21 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Hey good one liner from the pompous twit faggot. Too bad it is, apparently, not true. Attack his words and ideas? Fine. Attack his

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Jeffery Smith
As naive as it may sound, I bought my Olympus E-1 (my first dSLR) based on its (1) sturdiness [read: not a plastic body], and (2) LACK of a pop-up flash. I had a pz1p fpr a while, and found the pop-up flash to be annoying when I was just trying to grab a shot in lower light conditions and

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Adam Maas
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 2:52 PM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote: ... Equipment often gets in the way of Photography. ... So true. That´s why I concentrate on size, convenience and non-intrusive equipment and how it

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: A pro grade camera is a camera built to different (higher) standards of durability and robustness. It's designed to be able to take a beating in adverse conditions and extended heavy use. Pentax has never really made

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 October 2010 23:55, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 23/10/10, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: IMHO there's no place for bigotry on this list - or anywhere else. I agree totally, and so do my

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Adam Maas
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 October 2010 18:43, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote: Interesting discussion... If Canikon comes out with their own 'Nex'-like...I am afraid that all those buyers will be attracted again by their powerful brands

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
thank you for your opinion. ;-) On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 2:52 PM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote: ... Equipment often gets in the way of Photography. ...

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Jeffery Smith
I do a significant amount of shooting theater productions, and the shutter lag is a major issue for me, as is sensitivity/dynamic range. The E-5 is significantly improved here, or is it simply not a problem with the E-5? The K-x has not been an issue with dynamic range/sensitivity for me, and

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Adam Maas
Note that I do consider the E-5 to be an excellent choice for someone who is invested in the 4/3rds system as it marries the E-3's generally excellent body design (and the only good viewfinder in the 4/3rds system) to the greatly improved imaging chain of the PEN's. IMHO it's simply too little,

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Adam Maas
I'd have to ask what mode are you in, my experience with the K-x is it does not have significant shutter lag except in LV mode (where the lag is simply awful, LV is almost unusable on the K-x in my experience). It does however have an AF system which struggles in low-light so if you're shooting in

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Mark Roberts
Cotty wrote: On 23/10/10, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: IMHO there's no place for bigotry on this list - or anywhere else. I agree totally, and so do my wives. If you hate lots of different groups is that poligotry? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

RE: OT: new camera - shutter lag

2010-10-23 Thread J.C. O'Connell
Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jeffery Smith Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 10:40 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: new camera I do a significant amount of shooting theater productions, and the shutter lag is a major issue for me

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Mark Roberts
Mark Roberts wrote: Cotty wrote: On 23/10/10, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: IMHO there's no place for bigotry on this list - or anywhere else. I agree totally, and so do my wives. If you hate lots of different groups is that poligotry? Excuse me, that should be polygotry,

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Jeffery Smith
I shot last month mostly in aperture priority mode to keep the aperture fairly wide (2.5 or so) and increase shutter speed. I did run into some AF focus issues that I thought might be the result of multipoint AF, so I tried to restrict both AF and exposure readings to a center spot. I've got a

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread William Robb
-- From: frank theriault Subject: Re: OT: new camera IMHO there's no place for bigotry on this list - or anywhere else. Show me where anything in that sentence isn't true Frank? You may not like the choice of terminology, but it doesn't

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Steven Desjardins
Who cares? I'm visualizing the wives. On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 October 2010 23:55, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 23/10/10, frank theriault,

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Steven Desjardins
No that, Realllybigotry. On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Cotty wrote: On 23/10/10, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: IMHO there's no place for bigotry on this list - or anywhere else. I agree totally, and so do my wives. If you hate

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 12:00:47AM +1100, Rob Studdert wrote: On 23 October 2010 23:55, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 23/10/10, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: IMHO there's no place for bigotry on this list - or anywhere else. I agree totally, and so do my wives. They

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread paul stenquist
Subject: Re: OT: new camera IMHO there's no place for bigotry on this list - or anywhere else. Show me where anything in that sentence isn't true Frank? You may not like the choice of terminology, but it doesn't indicate bigotry, only contempt, which is not the same thing. William Robb

Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Steven Desjardins
AM, William Robb wrote: -- From: frank theriault Subject: Re: OT: new camera IMHO there's no place for bigotry on this list - or anywhere else. Show me where anything in that sentence isn't true Frank? You may not like the choice

Re: OT: new camera - shutter lag

2010-10-23 Thread Steven Desjardins
- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jeffery Smith Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 10:40 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: new camera I do a significant amount of shooting theater productions, and the shutter lag is a major issue for me

RE: OT: new camera

2010-10-23 Thread Bob W
On 23/10/10, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: IMHO there's no place for bigotry on this list - or anywhere else. I agree totally, and so do my wives. If you hate lots of different groups is that poligotry? Excuse me, that should be polygotry, shouldn't it? or jammygittery

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