Guilt level now receding. :)
Jack
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Hi!
Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your
reaction/repulsion.
Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR.
I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I?
On Jul 11, 2006, at 5:33 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
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I really like this unaltered version.
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Yes, I like this much better than the original post with the dark
donut around the sun. If the donut was a photoshop manipulation, I
missed the purpose of it.
Regards, Bob S.
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On Jul 11, 2006, at 5:33 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
Thanks, Dave.
Jack
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On Jul 11, 2006, at 5:33 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
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I really like this unaltered version.
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It was done in PS. I, of course, did it to save the image. :)
Did you see the donutless lightened version wherein the sun
disappeared?
When I put up the darker original version to allow the sun to be
somewhat visible, there were remarks about its being too dull and dark.
I simply thought it upped
Yes, saw the disappearing sun but didn't like it as well as this one.
It is really hard to get fog images to work, and I think the bright
sun as a spot in the image works fine to help clarify the conditions.
Regards, Bob S.
On 7/11/06, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It was done in PS. I,
Hi!
Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your
reaction/repulsion.
Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR.
I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I?
Mamiya 6, 75mm lens on T-Max 100.
Seeking comments.
Jack
My point in putting it up was largely about the integrity of
manipulation.
Jack
http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=121
Manipulation = Integrity?
You find this acceptable but belly-ache about Velvia?? :-)
Actually I like it. Would like to see it without the manipulation
No. Manipulation ( Velvia) = Lack of integrity?
OK Tom, here is the Sun Shadow-less. About a C-.(?)
Jack
http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=127
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My point in putting it up was largely about the integrity of
manipulation.
Jack
I much prefer this, although I would brighten the highlights a bit. The whites
are very grey.
Paul
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No. Manipulation ( Velvia) = Lack of integrity?
OK Tom, here is the Sun Shadow-less. About a C-.(?)
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No. Manipulation ( Velvia) = Lack of integrity?
OK Tom, here is the Sun Shadow-less. About a C-.(?)
Jack
http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=127
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Personally, I like this version much better.
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Monday, July 10, 2006, 10:33:01 AM, you wrote:
JD No. Manipulation ( Velvia) = Lack of integrity?
JD OK Tom, here is the Sun Shadow-less. About a C-.(?)
JD Jack
JD http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=127
view them as common-place.
Tom C.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:33:01 -0700 (PDT)
No. Manipulation ( Velvia) = Lack
Bruce, I don't wish to try to talk you out of liking any of my shots,
but IMO the sun in itself adds absolutely nothing to the scene. Only
emphasizes the hole in the branches.
Thanks for positive remarks, however.
Jack
--- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally, I like this version
On 7/8/06, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your
reaction/repulsion.
Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR.
I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I?
Mamiya 6, 75mm lens on T-Max 100.
I love it!
On 7/8/06, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your
reaction/repulsion.
Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR.
I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I?
Mamiya 6, 75mm lens on T-Max 100.
I
Meaningful comment. Thanks!
Jack
--- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/8/06, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your
reaction/repulsion.
Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR.
I've always felt a little
I gave a comparative response. I didn't like the first one very much
because I thought the manipulation looked very odd and fake. The
second looks much better.
You came across wanting a critique on the manipulation, rather than
the picture as a whole. You've already indicated that you are
Now that you learn Frank likes it, your reconsidering your positive
opinion?
Think I'll tell Frank. ;-?
Jack
--- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/8/06, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your
reaction/repulsion.
Taken 10
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From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No. Manipulation ( Velvia) = Lack of integrity?
OK Tom, here is the Sun Shadow-less. About a C-.(?)
Jack
On 7/10/06, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Meaningful comment. Thanks!
Sorry. I barely have time to look at the list these days, let alone
spend much time commenting. I liked your photo, but I just didn't
have time to say much more than I did. I don't even have time to type
what I am
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I much prefer this, although I would brighten the highlights
a bit. The whites are very grey.
Paul
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Now that you learn Frank likes it, your reconsidering your positive
opinion?
Think I'll tell Frank. ;-?
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Bob W wrote:
Frank sets the standard for taste around here. If you disagree with
him you know you're a philistine. Or an aesthete. Whatever.
Why philistine *or* aesthete? I aspire to both!
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Guess I was redundant in restating that I thought the un-manipulated
shot is about a C-.
I put up the shadowless version with not a lot of concern about the
scratch and dust spots. I did, however, quickly remove a couple of the
most distracting.
Had there been more detail in the background, I
If I were to brighten the shadowless version to a similar degree, look
what happens to the sun.
Jack
http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=128
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:-))!
Jack
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On 7/10/06, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Meaningful comment. Thanks!
Sorry. I barely have time to look at the list these days, let alone
spend much time commenting. I liked your photo, but I just didn't
have time to say
. -Terence Donovan
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I much prefer this, although I would brighten the highlights
a bit
or includes and.
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Bob W wrote:
Frank sets the standard for taste around here
Message-
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Sent: 10 July 2006 20:08
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Now that you learn Frank likes it, your reconsidering your positive
opinion?
Think I'll tell Frank. ;-?
Jack
On 7/10/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Frank sets the standard for taste around here. If you disagree with
him you know you're a philistine. Or an aesthete. Whatever.
There are standards around here?
Come to think of it: there's taste around here?
cheers,
phrank the philistine
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Well apparently, but since you're setting, they're, hummm, well you'll
have to draw your own conclusions...
frank theriault wrote:
On 7/10/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Frank sets the standard for taste around here. If you disagree with
him you know you're a philistine. Or an aesthete.
In a message dated 7/8/2006 7:45:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your
reaction/repulsion.
Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR.
I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I?
Mamiya
Don't tempt me, Marnie. G
Jack
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 7/8/2006 7:45:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your
reaction/repulsion.
Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR.
I've
Beautiful shot.
-Adam
Jack Davis wrote:
Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your
reaction/repulsion.
Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR.
I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I?
Mamiya 6, 75mm lens on T-Max 100.
Seeking comments.
I like the photo, but don't understand the shadow.
How do you get such? Looks wierd.
Regards, Bob S.
On 7/8/06, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your
reaction/repulsion.
Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR.
I've
Yep, that sun shadow thing is a great distraction. Adds nothing to the
photo, imo, and takes away from some subtle details in the background.
Shel
[Original Message]
From: Jack Davis
Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR.
I've always felt a little guilty about the donut
Thanks, Shel. Guess I knew that all along.
Jack
--- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yep, that sun shadow thing is a great distraction. Adds nothing to
the
photo, imo, and takes away from some subtle details in the
background.
Shel
[Original Message]
From: Jack Davis
That was the question. The sun is in the center of the shadow, but
essentially invisible.
I saw this weird shadow in my mind with my first look at the
developed image. Finally had to put it there with the burn tool.
That's the reason for the (slight) guilt feeling.
It's surprising how many look
An additional reply comment after re-reading your reaction post.
The subtle pines images seen at the lower right were the only
background available. Saw nothing of the lake, island or rim. Just
dense fog for 'prox 24 hrs.
The point that nothing was sacrificed I thought worth making.
To me, the
Okay, just so everyone will be able to sleep tonight, I'm going to
divulge the answer.
It's a positive print of a color negative. Probably Kodak Ektar 100.
Simply noticed on a light box.
Has confused a couple of lab scanners in its time.
Sold a few.
Jack
--- Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Jack,
The tree looks very interesting. The shadow thing doesn't even look
real to me - very odd looking. I think it has a major negative impact
on what otherwise might be a great photograph.
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Bruce
Saturday, July 8, 2006, 7:33:45 AM, you wrote:
JD Would appreciate y'all taking a
Never mind!
J
--- Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay, just so everyone will be able to sleep tonight, I'm going to
divulge the answer.
It's a positive print of a color negative. Probably Kodak Ektar 100.
Simply noticed on a light box.
Has confused a couple of lab scanners in its
You may have read an earlier post in which I explained that the shadow
was done sort of in an effort to 'save' the image.
Didn't (still don't) feel the image is strong enough on its other
merits.
Both the sad state of the right tree and the base old/dirty snow are
distractions.
In burning in the
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