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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:25:21 -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> I'm sure the DA 21mm, unlike the DA 40mm, won't work very well for >> 35mm >> film, but has anyone tried it, just for grins? Any test shots out >> there? > >I haven't seen anything yet, Mike. The DA21 is just getting into the >mar

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On 19/7/06, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: >You've been shooting digital too long, that's a window screen... I knew someone would bite and it was a fifty/fifty chance it would be you Peter ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http:/

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On Jul 19, 2006, at 11:37 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: >> My testing of the Sigma 20/1.8 showed it to have poorer wide-open >> resolution and contrast than the Canon EF20/2.8. > > In addition to your point re contrast, we discussed T-stops the other > day too. I would be very interested to see

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On Jul 19, 2006, at 11:38 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > >> I'm sorry, but I just can't believe that you cannot see how a shot is >> framed with an f/2.8 maximum aperture vs an f/2 or f/1.8, Mark. > > Well it's true. What else can I say? > >> What lens faster than the 20/2.8

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Relevant, perhaps not, but certainly interesting. Quite a few people seem to have both film and digital, and I was just curious if anyone had tried it. I have to admit, I am tempted by the new K100D, and compactness is very important to me. Not a big deal, in any event, I suspect someone will fo

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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >I'm sorry, but I just can't believe that you cannot see how a shot is >framed with an f/2.8 maximum aperture vs an f/2 or f/1.8, Mark. Well it's true. What else can I say? >What lens faster than the 20/2.8 have you gone to with similar FoV? FA*24/2.0 - which isn't th

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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > My testing of the Sigma 20/1.8 showed it to have poorer wide-open > resolution and contrast than the Canon EF20/2.8. In addition to your point re contrast, we discussed T-stops the other day too. I would be very interested to see the T-stop of the S

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On Jul 19, 2006, at 10:56 AM, UncaMikey wrote: > I'm sure the DA 21mm, unlike the DA 40mm, won't work very well for > 35mm > film, but has anyone tried it, just for grins? Any test shots out > there? I haven't seen anything yet, Mike. The DA21 is just getting into the market and DSLR buyers

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You've been shooting digital too long, that's a window screen... Cotty wrote: >On 19/7/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: > > > >>Lens porn: >>http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg >>;-) >> >> >> > >Bit of pixelation on the window. > > > -- When you're worried or in d

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On 19/7/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: >Lens porn: >http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg >;-) > Bit of pixelation on the window. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

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I'm sure the DA 21mm, unlike the DA 40mm, won't work very well for 35mm film, but has anyone tried it, just for grins? Any test shots out there? *>UncaMikey __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://m

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> On Jul 19, 2006, at 10:19 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: >>> Perhaps another reason that the DA Limiteds are being designed for >>> compactness and quality rather than speed is that the DSLRs they are >>> designed to work with produce so much cleaner results at ISO 400 to >>> 1600 than the film SLRs th

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On 7/19/06, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You should be ashamed. I assure you: I met him and I know him. Mark Roberts has no shame. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman

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A large part of a wider maximum aperture is easier focusing, weather autofocus or manual an F2 lens will lock a lot faster than an F3.5. My SMC Takumar 35mm f3.5 gives excellent results on film and digital but it's a PITA to achieve precise focus, under anything other than the brightest ligh

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We know and you still suck... William Robb wrote: >- Original Message - >From: "David Savage" >Subject: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ... > > > > > >>Not as porntastic as yours but here's my mixed bag... >> >><http://w

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- Original Message - From: "David Savage" Subject: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ... > Not as porntastic as yours but here's my mixed bag... > > <http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/IMGP5070.jpg> Go have a nice little cry. This is an old picture..

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On 7/18/06, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark Roberts wrote: > > Adam Maas wrote: > Well, Sigma does make a 20mm f1.8 just for folks like you. > > But it's bigger than the DS. Yep, it's a monster, but I have it. Tack sharp, fast, focuses closely. Lots of fun, even if it does weigh a ton

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Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: >On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > >> Perhaps another reason that the DA Limiteds are being designed for >> compactness and quality rather than speed is that the DSLRs they are >> designed to work with produce so much cleaner results at ISO 400 to >> 1600 t

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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > Perhaps another reason that the DA Limiteds are being designed for > compactness and quality rather than speed is that the DSLRs they are > designed to work with produce so much cleaner results at ISO 400 to > 1600 than the film SLRs that the prior se

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On Jul 19, 2006, at 6:23 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Lens porn: > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg Just look at how obese that 31mm lens looks compared to even its 43 and 77 mm siblings, never mind the DA21. Pornographic indeed. ]'-) I had the 31 and didn't like it much although it

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At 11:29 PM 19/07/2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >On Jul 19, 2006, at 6:23 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > > Lens porn: > > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg > >Just look at how obese that 31mm lens looks compared to even its 43 >and 77 mm siblings, never mind the DA21. Pornographic indeed.

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On 7/19/06, Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just mean that when the DA Limited lineup overlaps directly on the FA > lineup (I'm thinking of the 40 - 43 and 70 - 77) and in those instances > the lenses are smaller and slower, I don't think you have to panic -- > they're not bigger and

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On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 10:36:45AM +0100, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, David Savage wrote: > > > At 02:59 PM 19/07/2006, Sylwek wrote: > >> On 18.07.2006, at 21:33 , Mark Roberts wrote: > >> > >>> My other Limiteds (43, 31, 77) are all f/1.9 or faster. That's a lot > >>> more

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> > From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/07/19 Wed PM 02:43:11 GMT > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Subject: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ... > > On 7/19/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

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> > From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/07/19 Wed PM 02:43:11 GMT > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Subject: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ... > > On 7/19/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

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On 7/19/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lens porn: > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg > ;-) > Not as porntastic as yours but here's my mixed bag... Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/

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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, P. J. Alling wrote: > Mark Roberts wrote: > >> Lens porn: >> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg >> ;-) > > You should be ashamed. Absolutely. They are silver. But I can (sort of) see where porn comes into play: the black cap reminds me of Cleese in his socks in "A

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You should be ashamed. Mark Roberts wrote: >Aaron Reynolds wrote: > > > >>There are these three other Limited lenses available, just for you. ;) >> >> > >Lens porn: >http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg >;-) > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (

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Aaron Reynolds wrote: >There are these three other Limited lenses available, just for you. ;) Lens porn: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/

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On Jul 19, 2006, at 8:36 AM, David Savage wrote: >>> I hope that's not the case for any future limited lenses. If it is, >>> then I doubt I'll buy any of them. I'm not tempted by either the 21 >>> or >>> 70. I want fast primes, not small. >> >> There are these three other Limited lenses availabl

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On 7/19/06, Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jul 19, 2006, at 5:50 AM, David Savage wrote: > > > I hope that's not the case for any future limited lenses. If it is, > > then I doubt I'll buy any of them. I'm not tempted by either the 21 or > > 70. I want fast primes, not small. > >

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On Jul 19, 2006, at 5:50 AM, David Savage wrote: > I hope that's not the case for any future limited lenses. If it is, > then I doubt I'll buy any of them. I'm not tempted by either the 21 or > 70. I want fast primes, not small. There are these three other Limited lenses available, just for you.

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> > From: Kostas Kavoussanakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/07/19 Wed AM 09:36:45 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ... > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, David Savage wrote: > > > At 02:59 PM 19/07/2006, Sylwek wrote:

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On 7/19/06, Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 19.07.2006, at 11:06 , David Savage wrote: > > > They're cheaper because they're slower. > > > > I bet if they had made it f1.9, it would be similarly priced to > > it's full > > frame big brothers. Admittedly it would be physically lar

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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, David Savage wrote: > At 02:59 PM 19/07/2006, Sylwek wrote: >> On 18.07.2006, at 21:33 , Mark Roberts wrote: >> >>> My other Limiteds (43, 31, 77) are all f/1.9 or faster. That's a lot >>> more than a third of a stop! F/2.0 and under is Limited territory for >>> me. I'd *consi

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On 19.07.2006, at 11:06 , David Savage wrote: > They're cheaper because they're slower. > > I bet if they had made it f1.9, it would be similarly priced to > it's full > frame big brothers. Admittedly it would be physically larger & > weightier as > well Exactly - that's what we're talking abo

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At 02:59 PM 19/07/2006, Sylwek wrote: >On 18.07.2006, at 21:33 , Mark Roberts wrote: > > > My other Limiteds (43, 31, 77) are all f/1.9 or faster. That's a lot > > more than a third of a stop! F/2.0 and under is Limited territory for > > me. I'd *consider* the upcoming 70/2.4 if it were under $500

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On 18.07.2006, at 21:33 , Mark Roberts wrote: > My other Limiteds (43, 31, 77) are all f/1.9 or faster. That's a lot > more than a third of a stop! F/2.0 and under is Limited territory for > me. I'd *consider* the upcoming 70/2.4 if it were under $500 (and if > I didn't already have the 77!) Yes,

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On Jul 18, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > I'm really pretty happy with what I have for wide angle primes. > I realize that it's unfashionable to be happy with the lenses you > already own, but that's just the way it is. :-) I continue to be tickled by the notion of either the FA28/2.8

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om: David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ... Date: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:13 pm Size: 561 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List At 02:36 AM 19/07/2006, Mark Roberts wrote: >P. J. Alling wrote: > > >It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm

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At 02:36 AM 19/07/2006, Mark Roberts wrote: >P. J. Alling wrote: > > >It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film. Not that > >great for panoramas. Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad > >it doesn't have an aperture ring. > >The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bothe

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The DA40mm f/2.8 Limited is another one you don't have ... Godfrey On Jul 18, 2006, at 8:59 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: > ... h. I thought I had all the Limited's (31-43-77). Now > there's one > more to buy. Must be grat for panoramas ;-) > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http:

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No, you're just not bitten (yet? or no more?) by LBA when others are. Be happy ;) 2006/7/19, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Adam Maas wrote: > > >Mark Roberts wrote: > >> Adam Maas wrote: > >> > >>>But it's just 1/3 of a stop from the most similar lens, the FA 20mm > >>>f2.8. And in a far sma

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Adam Maas wrote: >Mark Roberts wrote: >> Adam Maas wrote: >> >>>But it's just 1/3 of a stop from the most similar lens, the FA 20mm >>>f2.8. And in a far smaller package. It's also only 1/3 of a stop slower >>>than the only other DA Limited pancake, the 40mm f2.8. >> >> Still too slow for me.

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Den 18. jul. 2006 kl. 23.09 skrev frank theriault: > On 7/18/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of >> speed. f/3.2 is just too slow for me to get very excited about. >> Certainly not excited enough to pay "Limited" pr

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IMO if Pentax still prodoces FA Limited (well at least it is in their catalog) when they also sell DA Limited is obvious: DA Limited arent's supposed to replace FA Limited. FA LImited are Limited because of their quality and speed. DA Limited are Limited because of their quality, size and speed.

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Mark Roberts wrote: > Adam Maas wrote: > > > >>But it's just 1/3 of a stop from the most similar lens, the FA 20mm >>f2.8. And in a far smaller package. It's also only 1/3 of a stop slower >>than the only other DA Limited pancake, the 40mm f2.8. > > > Still too slow for me. > Well, Sigma

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On 7/18/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of > speed. f/3.2 is just too slow for me to get very excited about. > Certainly not excited enough to pay "Limited" prices. Were I a digital guy, putting the 21mm pancake on a

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Adam Maas wrote: >But it's just 1/3 of a stop from the most similar lens, the FA 20mm >f2.8. And in a far smaller package. It's also only 1/3 of a stop slower >than the only other DA Limited pancake, the 40mm f2.8. Still too slow for me. -- Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia www.robertst

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dt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af P. J. Alling Sendt: 18. juli 2006 20:52 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ... There is that. Personally I think I'd prefer the FA 20mm f2.8. Mark Roberts wrote: >

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Mark Roberts wrote: > Adam Maas wrote: > > >>Mark Roberts wrote: >> >>>P. J. Alling wrote: >>> >>> It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film. Not that great for panoramas. Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad it doesn't have an aperture ring. >>> >>

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Adam Maas wrote: >Mark Roberts wrote: >> P. J. Alling wrote: >> >>>It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film. Not that >>>great for panoramas. Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad >>>it doesn't have an aperture ring. >> >> >> The lack of an aperture ring does

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On Jul 18, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > P. J. Alling wrote: > >> It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film. Not >> that >> great for panoramas. Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, >> too bad >> it doesn't have an aperture ring. > > The lack of an apertur

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Mark Roberts wrote: > P. J. Alling wrote: > > >>It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film. Not that >>great for panoramas. Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad >>it doesn't have an aperture ring. > > > The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as

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There is that. Personally I think I'd prefer the FA 20mm f2.8. Mark Roberts wrote: >P. J. Alling wrote: > > > >>It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film. Not that >>great for panoramas. Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad >>it doesn't have an aperture ring

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P. J. Alling wrote: >It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film. Not that >great for panoramas. Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad >it doesn't have an aperture ring. The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of speed. f/3.2 is just too

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It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film. Not that great for panoramas. Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad it doesn't have an aperture ring. Jens Bladt wrote: >... h. I thought I had all the Limited's (31-43-77). Now there's one >more to buy. Must be gra

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2 more, the 40mm DA limited and the new 21mm. And a 70mm f2.4 DA Limited will arrive this fall. You've got the full set of FA Limiteds. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: > ... h. I thought I had all the Limited's (31-43-77). Now there's one > more to buy. Must be grat for panoramas ;-) > Regards > J

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Hi Ryan, On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:03:11 -0500, Ryan Brooks wrote: >> Some images taken of the 21mm on the *istD: >> >> http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/pentax.php >> >Anything "through" instead of "on" ?:-) Nothing worth showing yet :-) I made a few of my home intteriour, and will be taki

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> Some images taken of the 21mm on the *istD: > > http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/pentax.php > Anything "through" instead of "on" ?:-) -Ryan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

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... h. I thought I had all the Limited's (31-43-77). Now there's one more to buy. Must be grat for panoramas ;-) Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne