Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-24 Thread Margus Männik
Hi, Frank is right. It means that some quantity or value (like the readout of the instrument) has nothing to do (or very loose connection) with reality. I do not know the roots of this saying, but it have been used here for quite a long time. Most probably it's a translation from russian. W

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-24 Thread Steven Desjardins
That's a Mark. Maybe because my dog loves Frisbee. > > or the frisbeetarians (when you die, your soul gets stuck on the roof.) > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-24 Thread John Graves
Mark, Why If you go linguini you're all stuck up? Mark Roberts wrote: frank theriault wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:14 PM, steve harley wrote: it seemed to me like a way to say that the readings are nonsensically variable (and perhaps a slur on Tambovikans) First it was the Jews

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-24 Thread Doug Brewer
Mark Roberts wrote: frank theriault wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:14 PM, steve harley wrote: it seemed to me like a way to say that the readings are nonsensically variable (and perhaps a slur on Tambovikans) First it was the Jews. Then it was the Christians. Now it's the Tambovikans.

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-24 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault wrote: >On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:14 PM, steve harley wrote: > >> it seemed to me like a way to say that the readings are nonsensically >> variable (and perhaps a slur on Tambovikans) > >First it was the Jews. Then it was the Christians. Now it's the Tambovikans. > >What the he

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-24 Thread Steven Desjardins
I agree about the lens. Nice results and a good FOV on micro-four-thirds. I've only used it on the E-P1, but I've leaned to be sneaky with the LCD screen. On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > > Nowadays, a Panasonic G1 with Lumix G 20mm f/1.7 is the piece for > streety s

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-24 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:14 PM, steve harley wrote: > it seemed to me like a way to say that the readings are nonsensically > variable (and perhaps a slur on Tambovikans) First it was the Jews. Then it was the Christians. Now it's the Tambovikans. What the hell's going on here? cheers, fra

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-23 Thread steve harley
On 2010-09-23 21:06 , Miserere wrote: 2010/9/23 Margus Männik: Just one warning - Kiev RF lightmeters very commonly do indicate the price of firewood on Tambov market. Margus, You're going to have to explain that one! it seemed to me like a way to say that the readings are nonsensically va

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-23 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Miserere wrote: > 2010/9/23 Margus Männik : >> Just one warning - Kiev RF lightmeters very commonly do indicate >> the price of firewood on Tambov market. > > Margus, > > You're going to have to explain that one! I'm not Margus, but I'm guessing he's saying that

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-23 Thread Miserere
2010/9/23 Margus Männik : > Just one warning - Kiev RF lightmeters very commonly do indicate > the price of firewood on Tambov market. Margus, You're going to have to explain that one! --M. --     \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com     http://EnticingTheLight.com     A Quest for Phot

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-23 Thread Margus Männik
Boris, there's no actual reason to be afraid of soviet Zorki and Kiev cameras - they're actually pretty good and inexpensive (at least here in Estonia). I have a whole collection of fully working russoleicas and commucontaxes (ca. 40 different models + a long row of lenses) and I'd say - if th

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-18 Thread mike wilson
Boris Liberman wrote: On 9/17/2010 8:14 PM, mike wilson wrote: How much will you pay me not to tell Julia? Julia suggested few years ago that I buy myself a Leica outfit, so that I am covered. Surely I told her about my idea exactly yesterday, so no gain for you, mister :-). So I'll tel

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-17 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > On 9/18/2010 6:38 AM, frank theriault wrote: > Well, I did explain Julia that a small mortgage might be necessary if it > were good or full outfit. So, presently it remains as a theoretical > discussion only. Yes, well, as we all know, p

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-17 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/18/2010 6:38 AM, frank theriault wrote: Damn, not that I'm complaining about my partner Judy or anything, but whenever I talk of buying an M9, she just laughs real hard. Julia's a real peach, that's for sure! ;-) cheers, frank Well, I did explain Julia that a small mortgage might be nec

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-17 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > On 9/17/2010 8:14 PM, mike wilson wrote: >> >> How much will you pay me not to tell Julia? > > Julia suggested few years ago that I buy myself a Leica outfit, so that I am > covered. Surely I told her about my idea exactly yesterday, so no

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-17 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/18/2010 12:43 AM, Miserere wrote: Funny you should bring this up, Boris, as for the past 4-6 weeks I've been thinking of buying a Bessa R3A + Voigtlander 40mm f/1.4. I'm not crazy about film, but I'm wanting to shoot something simple for street stuff. The above combo can be purchased for und

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-17 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/17/2010 8:14 PM, mike wilson wrote: How much will you pay me not to tell Julia? Julia suggested few years ago that I buy myself a Leica outfit, so that I am covered. Surely I told her about my idea exactly yesterday, so no gain for you, mister :-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail L

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-17 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Miserere wrote: > Funny you should bring this up, Boris, as for the past 4-6 weeks I've > been thinking of buying a Bessa R3A + Voigtlander 40mm f/1.4. I'm not > crazy about film, but I'm wanting to shoot something simple for street > stuff. The above combo can be

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-17 Thread Miserere
Funny you should bring this up, Boris, as for the past 4-6 weeks I've been thinking of buying a Bessa R3A + Voigtlander 40mm f/1.4. I'm not crazy about film, but I'm wanting to shoot something simple for street stuff. The above combo can be purchased for under $1k new in the US, although I'd buy it

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-17 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
I second the Canon GIII QL17. But I think with some careful shopping you can find a good one for $25 to $40. Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose" -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-17 Thread mike wilson
Matthew Hunt wrote: I've liked the hotel just fine, and haven't had a reason to look elsewhere. The rates have always been reasonable. Breakfast is often included in your rate (croissants, yogurt, fruit, etc.). The rooms are small, but clean, and have private, modern bathrooms. The staff has

RE: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-17 Thread Bob W
> > you stayed at the Hotel Daguerre! How was it? > > Yes, I've stayed there on all 3 of my visits to Paris. The first time was on the > recommendation of a colleague, for an astronomy conference at > l'Observatoire de Paris, which is within walking distance. > > I've liked the hotel just fine,

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-17 Thread Brian Walters
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:43 -0400, "Bill Owens" wrote: > My constant compainion back in the mid 1960's was a Yashica Lynx 14 > with a 1.4 lens. Great little rangefinder I have one of those, but I'm not sure that 'little' is the correct adjective. :-)> Cheers Brian

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-17 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Bob W wrote: > you stayed at the Hotel Daguerre! How was it? Yes, I've stayed there on all 3 of my visits to Paris. The first time was on the recommendation of a colleague, for an astronomy conference at l'Observatoire de Paris, which is within walking distance.

RE: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-17 Thread Bob W
> I really enjoyed mine. Nice lens and a fun shooter. I used it extensively on > my honeymoon in Paris: > > http://www.coneslayer.org/gal/honeymoon/ > > The B&W shots are from the Canonet and the color shots are from my Canon > A-1, except in Reims (Champagne cellars) where the roles are revers

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-17 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: > Indeed, Canonet looks pretty attractive and eekbay is full of them. I really enjoyed mine. Nice lens and a fun shooter. I used it extensively on my honeymoon in Paris: http://www.coneslayer.org/gal/honeymoon/ The B&W shots are from the

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-17 Thread mike wilson
Boris Liberman wrote: On 9/16/2010 9:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: You can get a Canon Canonet QL17 for $50-125. Or a Minolta HiMatic 7. Or any one of a number of other fixed lens rangefinder cameras in this price bracket from Olympus, Konica, Ricoh, Petri, Yashica etc. The key is to be sure

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-17 Thread Bill Owens
My constant compainion back in the mid 1960's was a Yashica Lynx 14 with a 1.4 lens. Great little rangefinder Bill On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: > On 9/16/2010 9:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> >> You can get a Canon Canonet QL17 for $50-125. Or a Minolta HiMatic 7. >>

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-17 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/16/2010 9:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: You can get a Canon Canonet QL17 for $50-125. Or a Minolta HiMatic 7. Or any one of a number of other fixed lens rangefinder cameras in this price bracket from Olympus, Konica, Ricoh, Petri, Yashica etc. The key is to be sure that you get one which ac

RE: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-16 Thread Bob W
> Hi! > > I am thinking I should repeat my experience with the rangefinder (film) > camera. Is there anyone willing to enable or even lend me(*) a camera with > most basic lens, say 50/2.8 or 35/2.8, so that I could try this thing. Ideally, I'd > like to avoid Russian Leica clones because I know f

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Yes, interchangeable but only the front optics group. My mom had the Retina III, it was a very nice camera. Only ever had the standard 50mm front optics group, though. On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: > On Sep 16, 2010, at 14:52, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> >> One of my fav

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-16 Thread Charles Robinson
On Sep 16, 2010, at 14:52, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > One of my favorites is the Kodak Retina II: a lovely old 35mm film > folder from the 1950s/early 1960s. The ubiquitous Argus C3 is also in > this class. > My dad has one of these. First 35mm camera I ever used (back in 1978). Took it to j

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
You can get a Canon Canonet QL17 for $50-125. Or a Minolta HiMatic 7. Or any one of a number of other fixed lens rangefinder cameras in this price bracket from Olympus, Konica, Ricoh, Petri, Yashica etc. The key is to be sure that you get one which actually has a coupled rangefinder rather than a s

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-16 Thread Larry Colen
I was going to offer my uniblitz, I've got no idea about the quality or value of them, but it doesn't pass the smoke test. The shutter doesn't seem to open. I'd expect that an old rangefinder, apart from maybe a leica, is something that you should be able to get for free just by asking around wi

Re: Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-16 Thread Ken Waller
You might checkout 'Rangefinders' at KEH http://www.keh.com/ You can get camera w lens for around $100. USD. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Boris Liberman" Subject: Starting in Range Finder world, adv

Starting in Range Finder world, advise sought

2010-09-16 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! I am thinking I should repeat my experience with the rangefinder (film) camera. Is there anyone willing to enable or even lend me(*) a camera with most basic lens, say 50/2.8 or 35/2.8, so that I could try this thing. Ideally, I'd like to avoid Russian Leica clones because I know from the