From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think Pentax had a wonderful idea, but by refusing to put the ongoing
resources required into the gallery, they have diluted the concept.
May be it is not too late to fix it if they decide so...
Sadly, the USA is rapidly going broke. I expect
William Robb wrote:
I think Pentax had a wonderful idea, but by refusing to put the ongoing
resources required into the gallery, they have diluted the concept.
I strongly suspect it isn't so much a matter of refusing as not
having the money. This ain't Canikon we're dealing with.
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I have not submitted anything except from the very beginning of the gallery.
Today i submitted several photos i'm quite fond of, and i'll see hwo they go.
I did go into the site and looked at photos to vote on.
The few pages i saw, i doubt mine will go to far.
Dave
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From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: To those who submit to the Pentax Photo Gallery
Just curious;
Do you care to cast votes when you don't have any of your own images
in for review?
Thanks,
Jostein
Not recently.
I used to--regularly--when the voting started early this year. After
a month or so, it became sporadic.
It is hard work...
On Nov 19, 2007 8:13 PM, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just curious;
Do you care to cast votes when you don't have any of your own images
in for
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From: Mark Roberts
Subject: Re: To those who submit to the Pentax Photo Gallery
I think Pentax had a wonderful idea, but by refusing to put the ongoing
resources required into the gallery, they have diluted the concept.
I strongly suspect it isn't so much
William Robb wrote:
From: Mark Roberts
I think Pentax had a wonderful idea, but by refusing to put the ongoing
resources required into the gallery, they have diluted the concept.
I strongly suspect it isn't so much a matter of refusing as not
having the money. This ain't Canikon we're dealing
Just curious;
Do you care to cast votes when you don't have any of your own images
in for review?
Thanks,
Jostein
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AlunFoto wrote:
Just curious;
Do you care to cast votes when you don't have any of your own images
in for review?
I do.
I try to log in every couple of days or so just to judge some photos. I
always find it an eye-opener to see what people are submitting. And it
also puts my own rejected
Boy, am i glad i submitted right at the first.
:-)
Dave
On 11/19/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AlunFoto wrote:
Just curious;
Do you care to cast votes when you don't have any of your own images
in for review?
I do.
I try to log in every couple of days or so just to judge
On Nov 19, 2007 10:54 PM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Boy, am i glad i submitted right at the first.
:-)
You me both :-
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I don't do any voting at all. I feel uncomfortable with the rating
and ranking system.
I don't believe that submitters to a gallery space should rank the
work of other submitters. That should be the job of the gallery
curators.
Godfrey
On Nov 19, 2007, at 4:13 AM, AlunFoto wrote:
Just
I vote every now and then, probably not as often as I should.
Paul
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From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AlunFoto wrote:
Just curious;
Do you care to cast votes when you don't have any of your own images
in for review?
I do.
I
I take the gist of your question to be one asking if those who have
submitted images to the gallery, but who have had none accepted, should
be allowed to vote on other submissions. My answer is yes, IF it's
permitted for those whose work has been accepted.
I would prefer, however, that all voting
On Nov 19, 2007 9:13 PM, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just curious;
Do you care to cast votes when you don't have any of your own images
in for review?
If I've got stuff submitted I'll spend 5-10 minutes, while I'm logged
in checking the status of my shots, to have a look do some
I agree with you, Godfery, I feel the same.
In addition, when I see what sometimes get accepted and my pics which
are not I really wanna ... OK let's talk about something else ;)
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Jack Davis wrote:
I take the gist of your question to be one asking if those who have
submitted images to the gallery, but who have had none accepted, should
be allowed to vote on other submissions. My answer is yes, IF it's
permitted for those whose work has been accepted.
That's not what I
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
I don't believe that submitters to a gallery space should rank the
work of other submitters. That should be the job of the gallery
curators.
Good thought. But given the volume of submissions they're getting I
don't see how they could do that without a significant
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
I don't believe that submitters to a gallery space should rank the
work of other submitters. That should be the job of the gallery
curators.
I couldn't agree more.
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Monday, November 19, 2007, 8:04:29 AM, you wrote:
A Jack Davis wrote:
I take the gist of your question to be one asking if those who have
submitted images to the gallery, but who have had none accepted, should
be allowed to vote
Reminder:Well, based on your explanation (?), I certainly didn't get
your question.
FYI, I have voted on the same image a number of times. Also, the 40
vote figure, while possibly true, is contrary to what I read awhile
back. The contention at that time was 20 votes per image unless or
until a set
AlunFoto wrote:
If it is so that only the submitting photographers vote, it's not at
all surprising that it takes a fortnight to get the pics through the
procedure.
We know that 40 votes are required for each photo before it is
presented to the jury (if I'm the only one to have received this
I never submit more than one photo at a time, and those submissions are
infrequent. For one, it's too much work, and I have other things to do. I do
feel somewhat obligated to vote. I don't like the process, but it's the only
one we have, and I figure I ought to contribute some time to making
On Nov 19, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
When I was about 5 years old one of my favorite stories was The
Little
Red Hen. She spends most of the story trying to get the other
barnyard
animals to help her make bread, but no one wants to help with
harvesting the wheat, grinding it
I suspect that it is also intended to build brand
loyalty through participation, which would make the
voting a key part of the design.
Rick (who has yet to submit or vote on an image)
--- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My understanding is that the PPG is a site designed
to
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Nov 19, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
When I was about 5 years old one of my favorite stories was The
Little
Red Hen. She spends most of the story trying to get the other
barnyard
animals to help her make bread, but no one wants to help with
I try to vote pretty regularly - whether I have photos for review or
not.
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Best regards,
Bruce
Monday, November 19, 2007, 4:13:43 AM, you wrote:
A Just curious;
A Do you care to cast votes when you don't have any of your own images
A in for review?
A Thanks,
A Jostein
A --
A
Sometimes I do. I have never managed to get to the end of the
submissions and the interface is driving me mad. Opening a photo to
the left, clicking on an absurd small button in the upper right,
opening another one in the bottom left etc. If Pentax is to lazy to
sort through the pictures they
Well said, Mark. I noticed that the Dec. Pop Photo included a Pentax
add wherein another gallery contributor was featured, Julie Quarry. I
first noticed the feature in the Nov issue.
I suspect it would be a rush for a lot of photographers to be so
featured. Exposure could be a benefit.
Jack
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On Nov 19, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Nov 19, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
When I was about 5 years old one of my favorite stories was The
Little
Red Hen. She spends most of the story trying to get the other
barnyard
animals to help her
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
snip
Godfrey, if you agree with the way the Gallery is set up and run, as I
do, then participate. If not, don't. Just stand up for what you
believe, like Scott Loveless and others have done, and opt out if you
think it's ethically questionable. They don't try to have it
2007/11/19, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
*I* wouldn't participate if I thought people were gaming the system.
But if I did, I'd say the best way of reduce their impact would be to
increase the number of people who vote honestly.
This is a bit of an aside, but imagine a forum where many
AlunFoto wrote:
2007/11/19, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
*I* wouldn't participate if I thought people were gaming the system.
But if I did, I'd say the best way of reduce their impact would be to
increase the number of people who vote honestly.
This is a bit of an aside, but imagine a
On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Godfrey, if you agree with the way the Gallery is set up and run, as I
do, then participate. If not, don't. Just stand up for what you
believe, like Scott Loveless and others have done, and opt out if you
think it's ethically questionable.
2007/11/19, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I've been only half-lurking lately, reading the archives sporadically,
so I honestly don't know if this applies to PDML. But it took me
less than 48 hours to come across examples at dpreview.
Wow. Time to get some sleep!
;-)
Um
Right.
LOL.
On Nov 19, 2007 1:13 PM, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just curious;
Do you care to cast votes when you don't have any of your own images
in for review?
Thanks,
Jostein
Yes I cast votes. It is one of my favorite activities, say while waiting
for my whole program to re-compile, which
Godfrey,
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
great many words omitted
Do you essentially mean that Pentax should have chosen very few select
people from those who submitted to the gallery (say, only those who have
reached the premier gallery) to be the judges?
But really, how can you *make* or *force*
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From: Boris Liberman
Subject: Re: To those who submit to the Pentax Photo Gallery
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
great many words omitted
Do you essentially mean that Pentax should have chosen very few select
people from those who submitted to the gallery (say
On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:11 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
Do you essentially mean that Pentax should have chosen very few select
people from those who submitted to the gallery (say, only those who
have
reached the premier gallery) to be the judges?
No. I mean that Pentax would do better, in my
Godders, my reply's below.
No. I mean that Pentax would do better, in my opinion, to have staff
on board to jury the incoming submissions.
Yes, but in such a case of course it would mean that we will not get
to see the works submitted, only the work that was accepted. Which
isn't a bad thing
Bill,
I can't speak for Godders, but my own opinion is that the judges and
contributor bodies should be completely seperate entities.
I must admit that this was one of the main reasons that got me so
enthusiastic about it at first.
But really, how can you *make* or *force* these selected
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