While it seems obvious to me, I thought I'd just sort of offhandledly
point out that it's perhaps less a global warming trend, than it is some
phenomenon that involves wilder swings in all aspects of the worldwide
weather patterns.
Some places have seen abnormally colder weather patterns, getting
I say our benefit because even such cataclysmic disasters as the meteor
that hit just off the Yucatan 65 million years ago weren't necessarily bad.
Though disastrous to some species, it was an ultimate boon to others, like
mammals! We probably owe our existence as a species, at least in some part,
On Sunday, December 14, 2003, at 03:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's definitely both hotter (yup, definitely hotter) and often wetter
in
California than it used to be. Not to mention El Nino.
Of course you don't believe that your personal experience in a small
number of years is due to
Of course you don't believe that your personal experience in a small
number of years is due to climate change? That's not the way it works.
If it's hotter in California than you remember from a few years ago,
it's just due to the normal fluctuation of temperatures and weather.
Climate change
I have 55 years of experience, much of it in California. In my
experience it's 75 in LA all summer long. In SF, it's really cold in
July. Always has been, probably always will be.
Paul
On Sunday, December 14, 2003, at 03:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course you don't believe that your
I've been alive long enough to see the weather change in California, and it
appears to be a permanent change. I think only those that haven't been around
for a while, youngsters, who haven't seen the weather change, don't believe in
Global Warming.
Marnie aka Doe ;-)
This could have been said by all the folks who lived in transition times
past. What appeared permanent wasn't. It only appeared so because the time
scales are so large compared to the human lifetime - or that of a Galapagos
tortoise. Nothing is permanent. Nothing ever has been. The cycles
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From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I say our benefit because even such cataclysmic disasters as the meteor
that hit just off the Yucatan 65 million years ago weren't necessarily
bad.
Though disastrous to some species, it was an ultimate boon to others, like
FYI:
http://www.enn.com/news/2003-12-11/s_11220.asp
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From: Steve Desjardins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: December 13, 2003 9:45 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Way OT:Global warming
5. Just so I'm not accused of fence-sitting, yes I believe we
I just came accross this article:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2003/pr20031114.html
It is about the temperature rise in North America.
Frits Wüthrich
On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 18:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been alive long enough to see the weather change in California,
http://www.seds.org/billa/psc/pbd.html
Paul
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From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: Way OT:Global warming
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From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I say our
Yup.
Regards,
Bob...
--
Veritas vos Liberabit
From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I say our benefit because even such cataclysmic disasters as the
meteor
that hit just off the Yucatan 65 million years ago weren't
Since it is already far colder here than it was last winter, I must report the
turn about in the warming trend, and the return of the ice age. If something is
not done immediately these mountains could be buried under ice in a mere 10,000
years.
--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
You might
This makes sense to me.
What stalls the progress now is that most of the current solutions is their
cost plus they come with their own set of problems, including ecological
ones. I have no doubt that substitutes, various different technologies, etc.
most of which is already out there, will
Regards,
Bob...
--
Veritas vos Liberabit
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From: mike.wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12 December, 2003 4:32 AM
Subject: RE: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)
Hi,
Bob B wrote:
If we
Well, I would accept that from Frank T, he rides a bicycle, but aren't you being
a bit hypocritical there, Bill? You run your car with what? You heat your house
with what? Nuclear energy maybe? No that is anti-environmental too. Must be
geothermal energy. No, that would eventually cool down the
Quoting Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I'm not necessarily right, Jostein, this is just my best take on global
warming with a little (but by no means exhaustive) backup.
Bob,
I apologise for being harsh. I guess I should have considered your reply to Dag
more in light of the subject line. I
På 11. des. 2003 kl. 20.50 skrev Bob Blakely:
Water vapor is a much more efficient greenhouse gas and is two
orders of
magnitude more plentiful than CO2 in our atmosphere. (Perhaps we should
rethink those fuel cell cars!)
I´m aware of this.
If we are in a global warming crisis today, even the
I vigorously endorse all efforts to reduce pollution, However, CO2 is not a
pollutant. Without it, every green thing on the planet will whither and die.
Yup, it's possible to have too much. Hell, even too much vitamin A will kill
ya! :-}
Regards,
Bob...
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Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Way OT:Global warming
Ah! That's the crux! We think that we are so omnipitant that we
can control
the global climate. Hell, we can't tell anyone for sure what the weekend
will be like a week hence! We may
Dag T wrote:
skrev Bill D. Casselberry:
Could Man actually produce enough nasty greenhouse gases
to stem the impending freeze? If such were the dilemma, we
might soon realize how puny our efforts really are in the
grand scheme of things.
Maybe, but the down
If your government does let you have your personal reactor, can I buy your
spent fuel rods? Y'see I have this little plutonium collection here...
Regards,
Bob...
History is not a school-mistress. She does
not teach. She is a prison matron who
On 12/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
If we (in some future day) realize that a cooling trend
*is* in the cards for our little island in space and the
cold of an Ice Age was looming in, say, the next century ...
Could Man actually produce enough nasty greenhouse
In Michigan our weather has been quite mild in recent years. But all
this is irrelevant. The kind of changes we're talking about , whether
their due to man's interaction with the environment or the evolving
planet, happen over thousands of years, not from one year to the next.
On Friday,
On Friday, December 12, 2003, at 04:52 PM, William Robb wrote:
What I am not in favour of is the theory that is prevelant in your
country
that what is needed is more fossil fuel, rather than attempts at
conservation.
We are in favor of both. We're in favor of finding more fossil fuels on
our
På 12. des. 2003 kl. 23.22 skrev Bill D. Casselberry:
Dag T wrote:
skrev Bill D. Casselberry:
Could Man actually produce enough nasty greenhouse gases
to stem the impending freeze? If such were the dilemma, we
might soon realize how puny our efforts really are in the
You apparently didn't pick up on what I was saying.
Ignore everything else for a moment.
The weather bureau(s) have been tracking incoming along the southeastern
coast of the U.S. and they have DOCUMENTED increasingly larger and more
powerful storms in the past decade or less. Annually!
Yes, it's
That's okay, Bob,
They have drugs for that now. It's nothing to be ashamed of, btw, it's not
an unusual occurance as we men grow older, so I've heard.
vbg
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
From: Bob
]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:55:17 -0500
Well, I would accept that from Frank T, he rides a bicycle, but aren't you
being a bit hypocritical there, Bill? You run your car with what? You heat
your house with what? Nuclear
Oh? You don't ride a bicycle? Sorry.
--
frank theriault wrote:
Hey, Tom,
Don't drag me into this. I may have started it, but since that first
post, I've stayed out of it, like the good boy that I am! vbg
By the way, just because I'm right and everyone else is wrong, that
doesn't make me a
Data that is collected over a span of ten years is meaningless in
global terms. Any real scientist will verify that.
On Friday, December 12, 2003, at 06:17 PM, Keith Whaley wrote:
You apparently didn't pick up on what I was saying.
Ignore everything else for a moment.
The weather bureau(s) have
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tom,
I'll leave my personal beliefs and politics out of it (many of you can guess
where I stand anyway g)
But, Global Warming (see, I've capitalized it this time, to signify it's
importance g) is not much ado about nothing.
That the earth's climate
Sorry, that's what I get for relying on someone else's post references...
Regards,
Bob...
History is not a school-mistress. She does
not teach. She is a prison matron who
punishes for unlearned lessons.
-- Vasily Klyutchevsky, Russian historian
Blakely
Subject: RE: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)
I understand that what you say is the current, politically
correct mantra,
but I believe it's false.
http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
This is EXTREMELY OT and controversial.
Frankly, I
Bob Blakely wrote:
I understand that what you say is the current, politically
correct mantra, but I believe it's false.
http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
This is EXTREMELY OT and controversial.
great page Bob - if only the sheep could think with
På 11. des. 2003 kl. 18.58 skrev William Robb:
- Original Message -
From: Bob Blakely
Subject: RE: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)
I understand that what you say is the current, politically correct
mantra,
but I believe it's false.
http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb
From: Bill D. Casselberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
... they wouldn't call it Freon if it wasn't meant to be free!
HAR! (picking my arss back up off the floor...)
Regards,
Bob...
History is not a school-mistress. She does
not teach. She is a
From: Dag T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why? Politicians are the only folks around who regularly lie to us as though
it were a requirement of their profession!
Should we be surprised if dumping
a lot of some compound into the environment affects it? We are so many
now that it´s obvious to me
There has been a warming trend since 1865 when they started recording
temperatures. Geologically that that tells you nothing. No one knows when it
began. Probably about 50,000 years ago. But there also short term ups and downs.
One volcano is capable of throwing more junk in the air in one
Ah, that puts things into proper perspective. Thank you, Bob.
--
Bob Walkden wrote:
I blame the Maasai.
One theory has it that the methane emitted from the rearmost parts of
the world's cattle is a major contributory factor.
According to Maasai tradition they own all the cattle in the world.
On 11 Dec 2003 at 16:15, graywolf wrote:
Greenhouse effect? Yes, that was what was supposed to have caused Venus to have
such a high temperature. Right? Go look up current theory on that.
But then many look at this stuff religiously, rather than scientifically.
And some don't:
11, 2003 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)
From: Dag T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why? Politicians are the only folks around who regularly lie to us as
though
it were a requirement of their profession!
Should we be surprised if dumping
a lot of some
Tom,
I'll leave my personal beliefs and politics out of it (many of you can guess
where I stand anyway g)
But, Global Warming (see, I've capitalized it this time, to signify it's
importance g) is not much ado about nothing.
That the earth's climate has warmed up since we've been keeping
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