Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-05-11 Thread Steven Desjardins
Here are some pictures from the new camera: http://www.slack.co.uk/slack/Monochrom.html and the dpreview preview: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/leica-m-monochrom Of course, I have no intention of getting this camera. If I had that kind on money, I'd get the M9. On Thu, May 10, 2012 at

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-05-10 Thread Steven Desjardins
it's now listed at Adorama for $7950, if any of you are interested. 18 mp BW sensor, no other specs. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:35 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: BTW, didn't Nikon used to have a BW version of

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-05-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I'm still not interested. ;-) G On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: it's now listed at Adorama for $7950, if any of you are interested. 18 mp BW sensor, no other specs. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:35 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-18 Thread Steven Desjardins
My question: where is the advantage? Is there any way Leica could develop a purely BW sensor that had advantages that it wouldn't have if it did color as well? On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: It has occurred to me that one of the stupid things

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-18 Thread Toralf Lund
On 3/18/12 13:19, Steven Desjardins wrote: My question: where is the advantage? Is there any way Leica could develop a purely BW sensor that had advantages that it wouldn't have if it did color as well? The advantage would be collecting *all* the available light, where a colour sensor has

RE: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-18 Thread Bob W
a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you? My question: where is the advantage? Is there any way Leica could develop a purely BW sensor that had advantages that it wouldn't have if it did color as well? On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: It has

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-18 Thread Toralf Lund
On 3/17/12 17:18, Mark Roberts wrote: If the Leica rumor turns out to be real, perhaps they are implementing the BW-only limitation in software but using the kind of sensor Kodak announced a few years ago with a non-Bayer pattern that sacrifices some color sensitivity for greater luminance

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-18 Thread P. J. Alling
There will have to be some kind of color filtering to get the the sensor to record different wavelengths in accordance with some semblance of human vision. I do not think that you will gain all that much sensitivity over a sensor with normal color filters in a color Bayer pattern or some

RE: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-18 Thread JC O'Connell
. Alling Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 12:42 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you? There will have to be some kind of color filtering to get the the sensor to record different wavelengths in accordance with some semblance of human vision. I do

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-18 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 17, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: If the Leica rumor turns out to be real, perhaps they are implementing the BW-only limitation in software but using the kind of sensor Kodak announced a few years ago with a non-Bayer pattern that sacrifices some color sensitivity for

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-18 Thread Darren Addy
I would have great interest in a BW only sensor IF it also had disengageable IR cut filters. Imagine a BW full spectrum digital that you could then select various IR cutoff filters in front of the sensor. Your viewfinder (or live view) would not be affected, but only frequencies above your IR

RE: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-18 Thread John Sessoms
From: Bob W Higher resolution for having no AA filter. I'd personally prefer a HCB filter, but there you go. Just use the Don't Suck filter in Photoshop. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-18 Thread Cotty
I use my Fuji X10 in black and white only mode quite often. Simples: I shoot high quality jpegs on a couple of custom settings (C1 and C2) with C1 high ISO harsh highlights, high noise, contrasty. Perfect Knarf territory. C2 is low ISO and noise, landscapes etc. Shooting the jpegs means I don't

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: BTW, didn't Nikon used to have a BW version of a sensor?  How did that compare in performance to the color version. Kodak DC760w. Built on a Nikon body. I used one for a time, belonged to a friend. Excellent performer for

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-17 Thread Toralf Lund
On 3/15/12 17:07, Darren Addy wrote: Before you answer: What if it was a Leica? http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/ Since everyone seems to say no, I'll try yes. I might not want this as my only or regular camera, but I still think the idea

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-17 Thread Jens
For event oriented snapshots I usually go for black and white only. If it meant that it was faster and had better low-light quality, i might consider a black and white digital. When using my Lumix LX3, and I have set it to black and white, I found out, that the RAW files are still color files!

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-17 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Jens p...@planfoto.dk wrote: When using my Lumix LX3, and I have set it to black and white, I found out, that the RAW files are still color files! This is not so great. I want the RAW files black and white too. That's not physically possible. The raw files

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-17 Thread Mark Roberts
It has occurred to me that one of the stupid things about making a digital camera with a black-and-white-only sensor would be that it would be like buying a film camera that would only work with one kind of film. OK, you could have different sensitivity settings, but BW films had their own

RE: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-16 Thread Bob W
on 2012-03-15 17:42 Bob W wrote Nothing that Leica does would surprise me, but I might be a bit surprised if they do that. howz about an eco-camera that shoots only green? powered by the envy of others... B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-16 Thread Steven Desjardins
I want the workers' camera that shoots only red. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: on 2012-03-15 17:42 Bob W wrote Nothing that Leica does would surprise me, but I might be a bit surprised if they do that. howz about an eco-camera that shoots only green?

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-16 Thread Charles Robinson
On Mar 15, 2012, at 21:41, steve harley wrote: on 2012-03-15 17:42 Bob W wrote Nothing that Leica does would surprise me, but I might be a bit surprised if they do that. howz about an eco-camera that shoots only green? Ha! That's what my K7 started doing back in December 2010.

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: howz about an eco-camera that shoots only green? Ha!  That's what my K7 started doing back in December 2010.  Everything came back in just one shade: green. You are on the greening edge. -- Godfrey  

Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Darren Addy
Before you answer: What if it was a Leica? http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/ Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread p. j. alling
Maybe if it was Pentax, for Leica you spend a lot for a nameplate. On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Before you answer: What if it was a Leica? http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/ Darren Addy

RE: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread John Sessoms
From: Darren Addy Before you answer: What if it was a Leica? http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/ Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska No. ... and no. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
No Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Before you answer: What if it was a Leica? http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/ Darren Addy

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Charles Robinson
On Mar 15, 2012, at 15:37, John Sessoms wrote: From: Darren Addy Before you answer: What if it was a Leica? http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/ Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska No. ... and no. What he said. -Charles --

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
No. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
Absolutely not. It's not necessary. Conversion is easy ad very efficient. IMore importantly, I wouldn't want the camera to do that for me. I want to be able to assign grey values to the various colors. Paul On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Before you answer: What if it was a

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 15, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Darren Addy wrote: Before you answer: What if it was a Leica? http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/ Let's rephrase that question: Would you like a camera with two stops more sensitivity, and three or four times

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Bulent Celasun
A definite yes (even before rephrasing the question). Color has never been a strong part of my view and it usually gets in the way! I also wish I had a pocket that deep, by the way! Bulent -

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 15, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote: A definite yes (even before rephrasing the question). Color has never been a strong part of my view and it usually gets in the way! I also wish I had a pocket that deep, by the way! Hell, I'd settle for having a pocket that deep, even

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Let's rephrase that question: Would you like a camera with two stops more sensitivity, and three or four times the resolution? Don't mix up the subject of resolution and sensitivity. A Bayer mosaic sensor with a given

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Tom C
On Mar 15, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Darren Addy wrote: Before you answer: What if it was a Leica? http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/ No. For many of the reasons already given. However it was not that long ago that BW was the only choice. Even

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread John Sessoms
From: Larry Colen On Mar 15, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Darren Addy wrote: Before you answer: What if it was a Leica? http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/ Let's rephrase that question: Would you like a camera with two stops more sensitivity, and

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 15, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Let's rephrase that question: Would you like a camera with two stops more sensitivity, and three or four times the resolution? Don't mix up the subject of

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Paul Sorenson
A resounding no. You'd be back to using filters that affect the image globally. Converting from color to b/w allows you to filter selectively. -p On 3/15/2012 11:07 AM, Darren Addy wrote: Before you answer: What if it was a Leica?

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Bruce Walker
Absolute ditto. I don't do that many BW's but even I see how anemic automatic conversions look compared to careful use of the colour mixer, contrast enhancement, etc. Unless this camera comes with Nik's bw plugin built-in, I'd give it a resounding meh. Assuming meh's can resound. On Thu, Mar 15,

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Mark Roberts
Wouldn't appeal to me at all. But if it were to have Leica on the front there's a substantial number of pretentious rich guys to whom it would appeal. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Interesting, I misunderstood.  I thought that each final site was an interpolation of three or four adjoining sites. Since it wasn't something I had the opportunity to do anything about, I didn't study it as deeply as I

RE: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Darren Addy Before you answer: What if it was a Leica? http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera- may-have-a-bw-sensor/ Nothing that Leica does would surprise me, but I might be a bit

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Mark C
On 3/15/2012 6:15 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Here's the deal: The key to BW photography is that it is a non-linear capture of a color universe abstracted into a set of monochromatic tonal relationships. One of the vectors is the translation of chrominance to luminance. When we were working

RE: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread JC O'Connell
YES, If it were Pentax FF and ultra high resolution, like 40 real Mpixel, I'd consider one. Especially if it was low noise at high ISOs. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

RE: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread JC O'Connell
- -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:15 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you? On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Larry Colen l

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Steven Desjardins
[mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:15 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you? On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Let's rephrase that question: Would you like

Re: Would a BW ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread steve harley
on 2012-03-15 17:42 Bob W wrote Nothing that Leica does would surprise me, but I might be a bit surprised if they do that. howz about an eco-camera that shoots only green? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the