Thanks for the link.
I see green in Chrome and red in IE.
My wild guess: Most systems have a normal gamut (sRGB) profile loaded.
On calibrated systems a calibrated sRGB profile is used. If a browser
sends a jpg to the OS it uses sRGB. If a browser like chrome detects a
jpg with a profile it
Toine wrote:
Thanks for the link.
I see green in Chrome and red in IE.
My wild guess: Most systems have a normal gamut (sRGB) profile loaded.
On calibrated systems a calibrated sRGB profile is used. If a browser
sends a jpg to the OS it uses sRGB. If a browser like chrome detects a
jpg with a
EXIF stores the color profile of the image (which is sRGB in most
cases). If you remove the EXIF tags Chrome doesn't start color
management.
Try enabling Adobe RGB (1998) as the default color profile for your
monitor (your system is now wide gamut). restart Chrome and open
Toine wrote:
EXIF stores the color profile of the image (which is sRGB in most
cases). If you remove the EXIF tags Chrome doesn't start color
management.
That must be something specific to Chrome, then. Color management
should be dependent on the image having an embedded color profile, not
EXIF.
My guess is your system is normal gamut and the profile is a
calibrated version of sRGB. Live gets difficult once you start using a
wide gamut profile.
Firefox has the same behaviour as Chrome
On 12 March 2013 15:39, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
Toine wrote:
EXIF stores the
Opening it in the obsolete version of Firefox (WindozeXP) on this
computer I use for goofing off on the internet it's a really ugly green.
I also have Internet Exploder because a certain government agency I have
to deal with occasionally has a web site that ONLY works with Internet
Exploder.
From: Rob Studdert
On 12 March 2013 13:08, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
Which website?
I assume this one:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/color_blog/archive/2006/09/29/profile-utilization-test-image-and-profile.aspx
Is there supposed to be an image there?
Even after temporarily allowing
Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote:
My guess is your system is normal gamut
If the monitor is fed via an accurate profile it shouldn't matter
about its gamut: that's what color management is *for*.
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From: Mark Roberts
EXIF has nothing to do with color management.
Forgive me if this is a really stupid question/comment ...
Where does an embedded profile get embedded if it's not in the EXIF?
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On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 01:40:39PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
From: Mark Roberts
EXIF has nothing to do with color management.
Forgive me if this is a really stupid question/comment ...
Where does an embedded profile get embedded if it's not in the EXIF?
It's not a stupid question - it's
John Francis wrote:
Technically, EXIF refers to the whole of the image file format that
we usually just call a JPEG file, because the actual image stream
is typically stored using the JPEG File Interchange Format.
(For real geeks: EXIF is, itself, an extension of the TIFF format).
When
What if the monitor is factory calibrated and has a devices specific profile?
Calibration could/should be more accurate if you spend enough money on
a accurate device.
The real problem/suspect is Windows (and maybe OSX). Windows for sure
can't handle wide gamut profiles with or without a PhD in
On 11 March 2013 18:52, Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote:
What if the monitor is factory calibrated and has a devices specific profile?
Calibration could/should be more accurate if you spend enough money on
a accurate device.
The problem is that the device profiles are generic to the model not
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:
On 11 March 2013 18:52, Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote:
What if the monitor is factory calibrated and has a devices specific profile?
Calibration could/should be more accurate if you spend enough money on
a accurate
Toine wrote:
What if the monitor is factory calibrated and has a devices specific profile?
Calibration could/should be more accurate if you spend enough money on
a accurate device.
Absolutely. What's more, you should re-profile every month to
compensate for drift.
The real problem/suspect is
Toine -
Your thought got me thinking about a website I visited a few years ago.
Never thought I'd find it bu reading this thread again today I googled
vista color management motorcycle image and badda-bing badda-boom
there it was. Check out this image:
Opening the motorcycle pic in Safari on my Mac, it's green. If I save it and
open it in photoshop, it's still green and I can see its color profile is
Microsoft BGR Test Profile.
Paul
On Mar 11, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
Toine -
Your thought got me thinking
I should have specified that on my PC's the image is red on Windows 7
when loaded in internet explorer (no color management) and blue in IE on
WIn XP (again no color management.) If it is green the app is honoring
the color profile.
On 3/11/2013 9:31 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Opening the
On 12 March 2013 11:41, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
Toine -
Your thought got me thinking about a website I visited a few years ago.
Never thought I'd find it bu reading this thread again today I googled
vista color management motorcycle image and badda-bing badda-boom there it
was.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013, Rob Studdert wrote:
On 12 March 2013 11:41, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
Your thought got me thinking about a website I visited a few years ago.
Never thought I'd find it bu reading this thread again today I googled
vista color management motorcycle image and
On 12 March 2013 13:08, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
Which website?
I assume this one:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/color_blog/archive/2006/09/29/profile-utilization-test-image-and-profile.aspx
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From what I learned there are two display devices normal (sRGB) and
wide gamut. My monitor is a wide gamut device. If you load the (Dell)
profile for the device Windows is wide gamut enabled. The same goes
for loading the AdobeRGB profile.
Once I load a wide gamut profile the Chrome browser is
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 3:45 AM, Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote:
From what I learned there are two display devices normal (sRGB) and
wide gamut. My monitor is a wide gamut device. If you load the (Dell)
profile for the device Windows is wide gamut enabled. The same goes
for loading the AdobeRGB
Toine wrote:
From what I learned there are two display devices normal (sRGB) and
wide gamut. My monitor is a wide gamut device. If you load the (Dell)
profile for the device Windows is wide gamut enabled. The same goes
for loading the AdobeRGB profile.
Once I load a wide gamut profile the Chrome
device neutral color profiles for a display
device (like sRGB and Adobe RGB) isn't the right thing to do. Use a
color profile which models a particular hardware device at a specific
calibration; it's the only correct way to configure a display for
color managed work.
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On 11 March 2013 11:20, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:
And I maintain that using device neutral color profiles for a display
device (like sRGB and Adobe RGB) isn't the right thing to do. Use a
color profile which models a particular hardware device at a specific
calibration; it's
Rob Studdert wrote:
On 11 March 2013 11:20, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:
And I maintain that using device neutral color profiles for a display
device (like sRGB and Adobe RGB) isn't the right thing to do. Use a
color profile which models a particular hardware device
On Mar 10, 2013, at 9:48 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
Rob Studdert wrote:
On 11 March 2013 11:20, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:
And I maintain that using device neutral color profiles for a display
device (like sRGB and Adobe RGB) isn't the right thing
I think I solved it. I have a factory calibrated Dell monitor which I
had set to AdobeRGB. In Windows I had set a special profile supplied
by Dell as default. Switched everything (monitor and Windows) back to
sRGB and now both images and LR are equal.
The Dell AdobeRGB profile is the prime
Displays are devices. They should be calibrated and profiled with a
device-specific profile.
sRGB is a non-specific colorspace designed to model an uncalibrated
display device for image output to displays.
Adobe RGB (1998) is a non-specific colorspace designed to model a
four-color CMYK web press
The thread about color profiles reminded me that I've got a Mitsubishi 19
Diamond Plus 91 Diamondtron (Trinitron-alike) that I'd like to get rid
of. Available for free with local pickup (SF peninsula) or $20 plus
shipping (to cover the packing materials). I'm doing a lot of travel
over the next
On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
Quoting John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:
From: Brian Walters
Quoting Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net:
On Mar 5, 2013, at 2:38 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
The assumption is often
Paul Stenquist wrote:
Edit|Convert to Profile - I'm pretty sure it's been there since CS. May
have been in earlier versions.
That's right but it's the File Save for Web and Devices command that I'm
referring to.
Apparently there is a convert to sRGB check box in that command in CS4
I'm still on CS2 due to being located in Oz and not a student (CS6 is
A$1,168). I wrote a simple action to convert to sRGB and 8bits which
adds little time to preparing images to be web ready.
On 7 March 2013 00:48, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
Quoting Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com:
On 5 March 2013 13:19, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
You realize that removing EXIF has nothing to do with color
management?
Even with an embedded
Quoting Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com:
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Brian Walters
apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
Quoting Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com:
On 5 March 2013 13:19, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
You realize that removing EXIF has nothing to do
On Mar 5, 2013, at 2:38 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
Quoting Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com:
On 5 March 2013 13:19, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
You realize that removing EXIF has nothing to do with color
management?
Even with an embedded
Thanks for all your feedback. Very interesting, most don't see any
difference. Checked the page on two PC's with chrome and an Apple with
Safari they all display two different renderings. Safari on the iPad
displays both images identical.
I don't have any clue what is wrong
Toine
On 4 March
Toine, a suggestion: place the images side-by-side and check again.
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote:
Thanks for all your feedback. Very interesting, most don't see any
difference. Checked the page on two PC's with chrome and an Apple with
Safari they all display two
The images look the same to me on the P.O.S. monitor antediluvian
version of Firefox I'm running here on my argue on the internet computer.
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Quoting Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net:
On Mar 5, 2013, at 2:38 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
The assumption is often made that Photoshop's Save for Web
command first converts to sRGB. The second diagram illustrates
that this isn't the case. To get around this
From: Brian Walters
Quoting Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net:
On Mar 5, 2013, at 2:38 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
The assumption is often made that Photoshop's Save for Web
command first converts to sRGB. The second diagram illustrates
that this isn't the case.
Quoting John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:
From: Brian Walters
Quoting Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net:
On Mar 5, 2013, at 2:38 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
The assumption is often made that Photoshop's Save for Web
command first converts to sRGB. The second
I need some help from the wisdom of the list.
Many photosites remove all the EXIF data. Pentax Photo Gallery is one
of them. Another is my own site which uses a image database backend.
The end result is this:
http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/245-colorprofiles
The second image is
I believe this should be as simple as ensuring that you always select Color
Space: sRGB under File Settings when you export images for publishing.
Since the default colour space is assumed to be sRGB when none is provided,
your images should render the same with or without EXIF.
But then life is
I lived with the simple idea that a jpg saved/exported with sRGB
profile and stripped of it's EXIF would render as sRGB.
On my system it doesn't. The other big question is if anyone else has
two different renderings displayed on that page. If not I need to read
more about color management and
On my phone they look the same. I will look on my laptop when I get
home.
Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote:
I lived with the simple idea that a jpg saved/exported with sRGB
profile and stripped of it's EXIF would render as sRGB.
On my system it doesn't. The other big question is if anyone
On Mon, Mar 04, 2013, Toine wrote:
I need some help from the wisdom of the list.
Many photosites remove all the EXIF data. Pentax Photo Gallery is one
of them. Another is my own site which uses a image database backend.
The end result is this:
Quoting Toine to...@repiuk.nl:
I lived with the simple idea that a jpg saved/exported with sRGB
profile and stripped of it's EXIF would render as sRGB.
On my system it doesn't. The other big question is if anyone else has
two different renderings displayed on that page. If not I need to read
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
Quoting Toine to...@repiuk.nl:
I lived with the simple idea that a jpg saved/exported with sRGB
profile and stripped of it's EXIF would render as sRGB.
On my system it doesn't. The other big question is if anyone
The two images look identical to me on my calibrated IPS display, via Chrome.
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote:
I lived with the simple idea that a jpg saved/exported with sRGB
profile and stripped of it's EXIF would render as sRGB.
On my system it doesn't. The
I can't see a difference between them Toine - I use a Dell monitor which has
been calibrated.
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
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Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013 5:42 AM
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Subject: color
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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Toine
Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013 5:42 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: color profiles
I need some help from the wisdom of the list.
Many photosites remove all the EXIF data. Pentax Photo Gallery is one
The two images look the same to me on my calibrated monitor using both
Firefox (color managed) and Internet Explorer. On my non-calibrated
machine (which uses the monitors default sRGB peofile as proxy for
actual calibration) they look the same in Firefox, Opera and IE.
I asked about
On 5 March 2013 06:42, Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote:
How can I setup LR to export images which render properly without a
color profile on both Chrome and IE
The most practical way is to calibrate your monitor to sRGB standard
output, the following link has a good lay explanation
Toine wrote:
I need some help from the wisdom of the list.
Many photosites remove all the EXIF data. Pentax Photo Gallery is one
of them. Another is my own site which uses a image database backend.
The end result is this:
http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/245-colorprofiles
The
On 5 March 2013 13:19, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
You realize that removing EXIF has nothing to do with color
management?
Even with an embedded ICC profile the image won't render exactly the
same if you're viewing on one browser that is color managed and one
that isn't
Quoting Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Brian Walters
apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
Quoting Toine to...@repiuk.nl:
I lived with the simple idea that a jpg saved/exported with sRGB
profile and stripped of it's EXIF would render as sRGB.
On my system it
Quoting Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com:
On 5 March 2013 13:19, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
You realize that removing EXIF has nothing to do with color
management?
Even with an embedded ICC profile the image won't render exactly the
same if you're viewing on one
Larry Colen wrote:
How much difference does it really make to use the blurb ICC color profiles
rather than sRGB?
Your images should be in sRGB color space. The Blurb ICC profile is
for soft-proofing only.
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How much difference does it really make to use the blurb ICC color profiles
rather than sRGB? I would guess that they would know the necessary correction
to apply from sRGB to their own machines to get that last little tweak.
Part of the reason I asked is that I followed the directions
On 24 December 2011 10:34, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
How much difference does it really make to use the blurb ICC color profiles
rather than sRGB? I would guess that they would know the necessary
correction to apply from sRGB to their own machines to get that last little
tweak
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011, at 03:34 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
How much difference does it really make to use the blurb ICC color
profiles rather than sRGB? I would guess that they would know the
necessary correction to apply from sRGB to their own machines to get that
last little tweak.
Part
Yesterday I wrote:
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Now to the question. I calibrate my monitor with Spyder3Elite. What
monitor profile should I set in VueScan? If I use the default sRGB as
VueScan monitor profile, I seem to get matching colors with the scanned
image open in Photoshop and the image in prescan or scan window
Good news!
I heard the problem zooming past the capabilities of my brain cell
yesterday... :-)
Jostein
2008/9/11 Antti-Pekka Virjonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Yesterday I wrote:
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Now to the question. I calibrate my monitor with Spyder3Elite. What
monitor profile should I set in VueScan? If I
Jostein,
I had the same thought.
Maybe you should take a little time off?
I generally need at least 2 brain cells working to function at all.
If your down to one, it's time to rest and regenerate. :-)
Regards, Bob S.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:00 AM, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good
Bob,
It feels like I'm down to one, but that it's growing like a slime mould. :-)
Jostein
2008/9/11 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Jostein,
I had the same thought.
Maybe you should take a little time off?
I generally need at least 2 brain cells working to function at all.
If your down to
Great.
I wondered yesterday why you wouldn't use the newly generated monitor
profile.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
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From: Antti-Pekka Virjonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT: VueScan color profiles?
Yesterday I wrote:
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Now to the question
I have upgraded to a new computer with Core 2 Quad Extreme @ 3.33GHz and
8GB of memory running Vista Ultimate x64. Previously I have been using
Silverfast but it does not work anymore for me (no support in Vista
64-bit for my scanner). Yesterday I got the VueScan Pro and have been
playing with it
fine.
On 3/8/06, Keith McGuinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
does this settle the subject?
Nope -- because you've left out the receiver! (As in my white
balance experiment.)
Your brain translates the colours you see into the colours
you expect to see. That's why we see much the same
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/03/07 Tue PM 11:29:11 GMT
To: Pentax Discuss pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: color profiles ICC for *ist DS/L
- Original Message -
From: Keith McGuinness
Subject: Re: color profiles ICC for *ist DS/L
Nothing
- Original Message -
From: mike wilson
Subject: Re: Re: color profiles ICC for *ist DS/L
Run out of Scotch? 8-)
I own a red truck.
I'm not looking at it right now, but I am certain it is still a red truck.
William Robb
Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: Re: color
profiles ICC for *ist DS/L
Run out of Scotch? 8-)
I own a red truck.
I'm not looking at it right now, but I am certain it is still a red truck.
William Robb
Nothing has colour. Objects simply emit or reflect different bits
of the electromagnetic spectrum.
That is the definition of colour!
Jeese! Get a life!
I wrote:
Nothing has colour. Objects simply emit or reflect different bits
of the electromagnetic spectrum.
Powell Hargrave wrote:
That is the definition of colour!
Jeese! Get a life!
What I wrote is certainly A definition of colour but it is not
THE definition. Try reading these:
strictly speaking, objects have spectra (reflectance, transmission,
absorption...)
what you see is essentially a convolution of the spectrum, of the object
with the spectrum of the slight source. which is often called simply
color of the object.
does this settle the subject?
best,
mishka
On
Mishka wrote:
strictly speaking, objects have spectra (reflectance, transmission,
absorption...)
what you see is essentially a convolution of the spectrum, of the object
with the spectrum of the slight source. which is often called simply
color of the object.
does this settle the subject?
profiles, printing, calibrating etc.
Regards
Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk
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Fra: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 5. marts 2006 18:34
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: color profiles ICC for *ist DS/L
Does anyone knows where to get correct
- Original Message -
From: Jens Bladt
Subject: RE: color profiles ICC for *ist DS/L
That's true, Godfrey.
Very few people actually realizes, that all the things we photograph (with
a
few exceptions) are in fact black/don't have a colour at all.
All they do is REFLECT SOME
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt
Subject: RE: color profiles ICC for *ist DS/L
That's true, Godfrey.
Very few people actually realizes, that all the things we photograph
(with a
few exceptions) are in fact black/don't have a colour at all.
All they do
- Original Message -
From: Keith McGuinness
Subject: Re: color profiles ICC for *ist DS/L
Nothing has colour. Objects simply emit or reflect different bits
of the electromagnetic spectrum.
A white object will appear red under red light, blue under blue
light, and so
Morning,
Does anyone knows where to get correct *ist DS/L color profiles to set
correct input curve to color management.
Thank you.
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Morning,
Does anyone knows where to get correct *ist DS/L color profiles to set
correct input curve to color management.
I asked this question about a year ago before I knew enough to
know that it doesn't make sense. Getting a camera profiled is also
dependent on the light source which
Does anyone knows where to get correct *ist DS/L color profiles to
set correct input curve to color management.
I asked this question about a year ago before I knew enough to
know that it doesn't make sense. Getting a camera profiled is also
dependent on the light source which
That said, I found a profile stashed within the demo of BibblePro for
linux. I've used that profile for awhile. I'm assuming you're referring
to RAW... otherwise you don't need one.
I haven't found any particular need to hunt for a profile with the DS. Camera
Raw's native settings for
Does anyone know if the new Epson 1280 will be using the same troublesome
inks as the 1270? My gf wants a 1280 for her birthday next month. I
hesitate on that brand/model knowing the ink problems.
I found this at
http://www.zeitgeist.net/Mailing-List/epson-inkjet/00.35/archived
INKJETMALL
Gerald,
They use the same inks (same cartridge #s--the permanent printhead in the
new printer sprays smaller droplets). If you want to see which papers have
no fading, check out Bob Meyers' site
http://home.cox.rr.com/meyerfamily/epson/epson.html#conclusions .
Red Rivers, here in Texas, has a
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