OT Californian Fires

[Brian Walters]

Hoping any PDMLers in the LA area are safe.  The fires look terrifying.

Our dear friends Jo & Byron lost their house at Casitas Springs near Ojai.  We
had stayed with them during our 2013 trip to the west coast.


Brian

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Re: PESO Vanishing points

[Rob Studdert]

Thanks Dan



On 6 December 2017 at 01:01, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> Great control of perspective!
>
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>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:31 PM, Rob Studdert 
> wrote:
>
>> This is a pic that I shot a couple of weeks back, I escaped into the
>> city with a camera and just shot whatever took my eye. I'm so busy
>> shooting other peoples stuff that I don't get to shoot for myself all
>> that much these days. The shot worked in colour but it's better in B
>> I think (apologies to FB users that may have already seen the pic)
>> EXIF top left
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bo4xz7gqerjcyna/001_IMGZ03277-HDR_exif.jpg?dl=0
>>
>> Cheers,
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Re: December PUG is up!

[Alan C]

Just ravin' mad.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Waller

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Subject: Re: December PUG is up!

At least he didn't chicken out.

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- Original Message - 
From: "ann sanfedele" 

Subject: Re: December PUG is up!




On 12/6/2017 3:34 PM, mike wilson wrote:

He shouldn't have ducked.

Konrad Lorenz was circumcised by a raven.


 Fowl play

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Re: December PUG is up!

[Ken Waller]

At least he didn't chicken out.

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- Original Message - 
From: "ann sanfedele" 

Subject: Re: December PUG is up!




On 12/6/2017 3:34 PM, mike wilson wrote:

He shouldn't have ducked.

Konrad Lorenz was circumcised by a raven.


 Fowl play

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Re: December PUG is up!

[ann sanfedele]

I'll keep that in mind if I really do win the lottery :-)

a

On 12/6/2017 10:27 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

You have skipped the best one of all!  We will have a spare bedroom in Maui
in February ,  ,  ,  ,

Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 9:12 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:


Hawaii is the one I've never been to... unlikely I ever will

and of course I've been to the one in the northeast many times, as I lived
in Maine for 3 years and also took
many road trips down east since then...

I left off a couple in Florida that I may have been to as a child,
possibly before they became parks, likewise
the one in South Carolina.

ann


On 12/6/2017 8:13 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


There are a total of 59 National parks -- only one in the Northeast.  Mot
are in Utah and Alaska.

Which is the state you have not visited, Ann?


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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 7:08 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I have been to 40 in the USA and x'ed out the ones I had not been to, and

then counted the rest.
got ya both beat... :-)  I come from road trip stock.

Didn't do Canada yet.  Company coming shortly with a framing project

ann


On 12/6/2017 4:05 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I just googled the official list, and check off 25 I have visited.  That

does not, of course, include national monuments, preserves, historic
sites,
historic parks, memorials battlefields, cemeteries, recreation areas,
seashores, lakeshores, rivers, parkways, trails, and "affiliated areas,"
all of which are officially designated

Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Ken Waller 
wrote:

Hi ann, I'm surprised you've only been to 7 National parks. Your comment


made me stop and count the National Parks I've visited - 22. Not all of
them were photo destinations - some were just to rubber neck.



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Re: December PUG is up!

[Daniel J. Matyola]

You have skipped the best one of all!  We will have a spare bedroom in Maui
in February ,  ,  ,  ,

Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 9:12 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> Hawaii is the one I've never been to... unlikely I ever will
>
> and of course I've been to the one in the northeast many times, as I lived
> in Maine for 3 years and also took
> many road trips down east since then...
>
> I left off a couple in Florida that I may have been to as a child,
> possibly before they became parks, likewise
> the one in South Carolina.
>
> ann
>
>
> On 12/6/2017 8:13 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>> There are a total of 59 National parks -- only one in the Northeast.  Mot
>> are in Utah and Alaska.
>>
>> Which is the state you have not visited, Ann?
>>
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 7:08 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>
>> I have been to 40 in the USA and x'ed out the ones I had not been to, and
>>> then counted the rest.
>>> got ya both beat... :-)  I come from road trip stock.
>>>
>>> Didn't do Canada yet.  Company coming shortly with a framing project
>>>
>>> ann
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/6/2017 4:05 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>>
>>> I just googled the official list, and check off 25 I have visited.  That
 does not, of course, include national monuments, preserves, historic
 sites,
 historic parks, memorials battlefields, cemeteries, recreation areas,
 seashores, lakeshores, rivers, parkways, trails, and "affiliated areas,"
 all of which are officially designated

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

 On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Ken Waller 
 wrote:

 Hi ann, I'm surprised you've only been to 7 National parks. Your comment

> made me stop and count the National Parks I've visited - 22. Not all of
> them were photo destinations - some were just to rubber neck.
>
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Re: December PUG is up!

[ann sanfedele]

Hawaii is the one I've never been to... unlikely I ever will

and of course I've been to the one in the northeast many times, as I 
lived in Maine for 3 years and also took

many road trips down east since then...

I left off a couple in Florida that I may have been to as a child, 
possibly before they became parks, likewise

the one in South Carolina.

ann

On 12/6/2017 8:13 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

There are a total of 59 National parks -- only one in the Northeast.  Mot
are in Utah and Alaska.

Which is the state you have not visited, Ann?


Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 7:08 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:


I have been to 40 in the USA and x'ed out the ones I had not been to, and
then counted the rest.
got ya both beat... :-)  I come from road trip stock.

Didn't do Canada yet.  Company coming shortly with a framing project

ann


On 12/6/2017 4:05 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


I just googled the official list, and check off 25 I have visited.  That
does not, of course, include national monuments, preserves, historic
sites,
historic parks, memorials battlefields, cemeteries, recreation areas,
seashores, lakeshores, rivers, parkways, trails, and "affiliated areas,"
all of which are officially designated

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Hi ann, I'm surprised you've only been to 7 National parks. Your comment

made me stop and count the National Parks I've visited - 22. Not all of
them were photo destinations - some were just to rubber neck.




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Re: December PUG is up!

[Daniel J. Matyola]

There are a total of 59 National parks -- only one in the Northeast.  Mot
are in Utah and Alaska.

Which is the state you have not visited, Ann?


Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 7:08 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> I have been to 40 in the USA and x'ed out the ones I had not been to, and
> then counted the rest.
> got ya both beat... :-)  I come from road trip stock.
>
> Didn't do Canada yet.  Company coming shortly with a framing project
>
> ann
>
>
> On 12/6/2017 4:05 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>> I just googled the official list, and check off 25 I have visited.  That
>> does not, of course, include national monuments, preserves, historic
>> sites,
>> historic parks, memorials battlefields, cemeteries, recreation areas,
>> seashores, lakeshores, rivers, parkways, trails, and "affiliated areas,"
>> all of which are officially designated
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>
>> Hi ann, I'm surprised you've only been to 7 National parks. Your comment
>>> made me stop and count the National Parks I've visited - 22. Not all of
>>> them were photo destinations - some were just to rubber neck.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: December PUG is up!

[ann sanfedele]

I have been to 40 in the USA and x'ed out the ones I had not been to, 
and then counted the rest.

got ya both beat... :-)  I come from road trip stock.

Didn't do Canada yet.  Company coming shortly with a framing project

ann


On 12/6/2017 4:05 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I just googled the official list, and check off 25 I have visited.  That
does not, of course, include national monuments, preserves, historic sites,
historic parks, memorials battlefields, cemeteries, recreation areas,
seashores, lakeshores, rivers, parkways, trails, and "affiliated areas,"
all of which are officially designated

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:


Hi ann, I'm surprised you've only been to 7 National parks. Your comment
made me stop and count the National Parks I've visited - 22. Not all of
them were photo destinations - some were just to rubber neck.





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Re: December PUG is up!

[ann sanfedele]

On 12/6/2017 3:34 PM, mike wilson wrote:

He shouldn't have ducked.

Konrad Lorenz was circumcised by a raven.


 Fowl play

ann

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Re: December PUG is up!

[John Francis]

On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 10:16:59AM -0500, ann sanfedele wrote:
> I would love it to have been true... and actually -felt- it was so at the
> time.
> and ravens, I believe, are somewhat smarter than pigeons.
> 
> ann

The average cobblestone is somewhat smarter than a pigeon.


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Re: December PUG is up!

[ann sanfedele]

LOL -  - nonono been to lots more!    I meant that I had been to every 
one of the ones in Northe America  that were --represented  in the Dec 
PUG :- )


I've ben in 49 states, all the Canadian provences too... I think I can 
top your number of 22 NP's -

It will be fun to count.

A project for this evening  - I think I did the cont once before but I'm 
not sure where i put the list.


thanks for being surprised

ann

On 12/6/2017 2:47 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
Hi ann, I'm surprised you've only been to 7 National parks. Your 
comment made me stop and count the National Parks I've visited - 22. 
Not all of them were photo destinations - some were just to rubber neck.


These National Parks are a great resource for the U. S.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "ann sanfedele" 
Subject: Re: December PUG is up!


But a gorgeous one! I counted the parks I've been to in North America
and there are 7 of them.. (two of the same park, amazingly - YOHO)
including mine, of course...
Love the caribou at Denali, Ken - and Brian's Pinnacles leaps out at
me... but so much prettiness throughout.

My personal favorite is for a very personal reason.. (in addition to it
being a lovely shot)
I think I know those ravens at the Painted Desert!
WHen did you take the photo, Jan?
I named the one in front "Sam" .. Ok, maybe it isn't Sam and his wife,
but I made friends with a Raven on the blue mesa overlook in the late
80's - He was stealing crackers from me then I couldnt resist (what you
are not supposed to do) feeding him. A couple of years later, nearing
the overlook , I saw a raven overhead and called out to him..
damned if he didn't come in for a landing, right in front of me... much
to the delight of RIchard's daughter who was traveling with us.

While it is unlikely Sam recognized me and was just looking for anyone
to give him a handout, the ranger
said it was entirely possible it was the same guy, as ravens settle in
to favorite places and also mate for life.

I took this photo of Sam in 1990 - and it got dolled up for inclusion in
my book of poetry..

https://annsan.smugmug.com/Works-in-Print/Books-in-Print/The-Part-of-Fortune/i-SHfm4CB/A 



If you are curious about the verse I wrote for him ...

https://books.google.com/books?id=iLbJDAAAQBAJ=PA56=PA56=The+Raven+at+Blue+Mesa+Ann+Sanfedele=bl=4M_RE5tkLa=dfweoZ6DtuAAP7vuibaNg3H66js=en=X=0ahUKEwjk6tC0nPTXAhUSkeAKHeW-AUEQ6AEIKzAA#v=onepage=The%20Raven%20at%20Blue%20Mesa%20Ann%20Sanfedele=false 



I forgot how to do tinyurl .. sorry

sorry for the outpouring of emotion... Sam was an important part of my 
life


ann

On 12/5/2017 4:47 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day all,

A late surge of submissions got us up to a reasonable number - all 
very good,

showing the diversity of National Parks in several countries.

View here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery 
there).


Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the 
gallery,

let me know.

+

First up for 2018: 'Shadow'.

Full Submissions Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

You can submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Cheers

Brian






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Re: OT: Coffee

[Bob W-PDML]

On 6 Dec 2017, at 20:40, mike wilson  wrote:

>> On 06 December 2017 at 19:55 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6 Dec 2017, at 07:22, mike wilson
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> WRT cost of product, I once overheard sopmeone in a supermarket espousing the
>> chapness of the capsules they had found.  Examining the product during an
>> overwhelming burst of curiosity, I found thy were paying over £11 for 100g of
>> coffee.  Sad, sad people.
>> 
>> 
>> Still, it's cheaper than coffee that's been shat by a weasel.
>> 
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak
> 
> I think civets are more closely related to the Felidae than the Mustelidae.  
> As
> it's then clearly coffee from a pussy, I have to assume it's Tweety's 
> favourite
> drink.

Would make quite a pleasant elevenses, Kit Kat and a cat-shat latte.

>  The fact that this particular pussy is called Paradoxurus hermaphroditus
> is just the icing on the cake.


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Re: December PUG is up!

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I have had some interesting encounters with the ravens at the Tower of
London.  Cheeky birds, and quite clever and persistent.

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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

> I had my Raven experience several years back while in a state park just
> north of Moab Utah. My wife and I were mostly alone sitting on a bench near
> a very steep and deep canyon fall off just enjoying the scene and watching
> a raven play in the updrafts. He noticed us and started doing aerial
> maneuvers right in front of us. If we turned away he/she would call out as
> if to get us to pay attention to his antics. The raven is one of our most
> favored birds to the point where we commissioned a metal artist known for
> his bird sculptures to make a slightly larger than life raven sculpture.
>
> I've read in several places that they are reputed to be among the smartest
> of birds.
>
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Re: December PUG is up!

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I just googled the official list, and check off 25 I have visited.  That
does not, of course, include national monuments, preserves, historic sites,
historic parks, memorials battlefields, cemeteries, recreation areas,
seashores, lakeshores, rivers, parkways, trails, and "affiliated areas,"
all of which are officially designated

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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

> Hi ann, I'm surprised you've only been to 7 National parks. Your comment
> made me stop and count the National Parks I've visited - 22. Not all of
> them were photo destinations - some were just to rubber neck.
>
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Re: December PUG is up!

[mike wilson]

> On 06 December 2017 at 16:15 Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> 
> David J Brooks wrote:
> 
> >Skipped this one as i THOUGHT i had not been to a national park, then
> >remembered to late that GFM is one. Arg
> 
> GFM is a state park, not national.

Close enough for Brave Dooks.

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Re: OT: Coffee

[mike wilson]

> On 06 December 2017 at 19:55 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 6 Dec 2017, at 07:22, mike wilson
> > wrote:
> 
> WRT cost of product, I once overheard sopmeone in a supermarket espousing the
> chapness of the capsules they had found.  Examining the product during an
> overwhelming burst of curiosity, I found thy were paying over £11 for 100g of
> coffee.  Sad, sad people.
> 
> 
> Still, it's cheaper than coffee that's been shat by a weasel.
> 
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak

I think civets are more closely related to the Felidae than the Mustelidae.  As
it's then clearly coffee from a pussy, I have to assume it's Tweety's favourite
drink.  The fact that this particular pussy is called Paradoxurus hermaphroditus
is just the icing on the cake.

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Re: December PUG is up!

[mike wilson]

He shouldn't have ducked.

> On 06 December 2017 at 20:22 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> 
> Konrad Lorenz was circumcised by a raven.
> 
> > On 6 Dec 2017, at 20:14, Ken Waller  wrote:
> > 
> > I had my Raven experience several years back while in a state park just
> > north of Moab Utah. My wife and I were mostly alone sitting on a bench near
> > a very steep and deep canyon fall off just enjoying the scene and watching a
> > raven play in the updrafts. He noticed us and started doing aerial maneuvers
> > right in front of us. If we turned away he/she would call out as if to get
> > us to pay attention to his antics. The raven is one of our most favored
> > birds to the point where we commissioned a metal artist known for his bird
> > sculptures to make a slightly larger than life raven sculpture.
> > 
> > I've read in several places that they are reputed to be among the smartest
> > of birds.
> > 
> > Kenneth Waller
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> >

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Re: December PUG is up!

[Bob W-PDML]

Konrad Lorenz was circumcised by a raven.

> On 6 Dec 2017, at 20:14, Ken Waller  wrote:
> 
> I had my Raven experience several years back while in a state park just north 
> of Moab Utah. My wife and I were mostly alone sitting on a bench near a very 
> steep and deep canyon fall off just enjoying the scene and watching a raven 
> play in the updrafts. He noticed us and started doing aerial maneuvers right 
> in front of us. If we turned away he/she would call out as if to get us to 
> pay attention to his antics. The raven is one of our most favored birds to 
> the point where we commissioned a metal artist known for his bird sculptures 
> to make a slightly larger than life raven sculpture.
> 
> I've read in several places that they are reputed to be among the smartest of 
> birds.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> 

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Re: December PUG is up!

[Ken Waller]

I had my Raven experience several years back while in a state park just 
north of Moab Utah. My wife and I were mostly alone sitting on a bench near 
a very steep and deep canyon fall off just enjoying the scene and watching a 
raven play in the updrafts. He noticed us and started doing aerial maneuvers 
right in front of us. If we turned away he/she would call out as if to get 
us to pay attention to his antics. The raven is one of our most favored 
birds to the point where we commissioned a metal artist known for his bird 
sculptures to make a slightly larger than life raven sculpture.


I've read in several places that they are reputed to be among the smartest 
of birds.


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http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 

Subject: Re: December PUG is up!



"While it is unlikely Sam recognized me"

Don't be so sure, Ann.  I read a scientific paper on city pigeons, where 
it
was demonstrated that the definitely recognized human faces, and can 
retain

the memories for extended periods of time,

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 8:27 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

But a gorgeous one!  I counted the parks I've been to in North America 
and

there are 7 of them.. (two of the same park, amazingly - YOHO) including
mine, of course...
Love the caribou at Denali, Ken - and Brian's Pinnacles leaps out at 
me...

but so much prettiness throughout.

My personal favorite is for a very personal reason.. (in addition to it
being a lovely shot)
I think I know those ravens at the Painted Desert!
WHen did you take the photo, Jan?
I named  the one in front "Sam" .. Ok, maybe it isn't Sam and his wife,
but I made friends with a Raven on the blue mesa overlook in the late 
80's
- He was stealing crackers from me then I couldnt resist (what you are 
not
supposed to do) feeding him.  A couple of years later, nearing the 
overlook

, I saw a raven overhead and called out to him..
damned if he didn't come in for a landing, right in front of me... much 
to

the delight of RIchard's daughter who was traveling with us.

While it is unlikely Sam recognized me and was just looking for anyone to
give him a handout, the ranger
said it was entirely possible it was the same guy, as ravens settle in to
favorite places and also mate for life.

I took this photo of Sam in 1990 - and it got dolled up for inclusion in
my book of poetry..

https://annsan.smugmug.com/Works-in-Print/Books-in-Print/The
-Part-of-Fortune/i-SHfm4CB/A

If you are curious about the verse I wrote for him ...

https://books.google.com/books?id=iLbJDAAAQBAJ=PA56=
PA56=The+Raven+at+Blue+Mesa+Ann+Sanfedele=bl=
4M_RE5tkLa=dfweoZ6DtuAAP7vuibaNg3H66js=en=X=0a
hUKEwjk6tC0nPTXAhUSkeAKHeW-AUEQ6AEIKzAA#v=onepage=The%20Ra
ven%20at%20Blue%20Mesa%20Ann%20Sanfedele=false

I forgot how to do tinyurl .. sorry

sorry for the outpouring of emotion... Sam was an important part of my 
life


ann


On 12/5/2017 4:47 PM, Brian Walters wrote:


G'day all,

A late surge of submissions got us up to a reasonable number - all very
good,
showing the diversity of National Parks in several countries.

View here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
there).

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
gallery,
let me know.

+

First up for 2018: 'Shadow'.

Full Submissions Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

You can submit here:

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Re: OT: Coffee

[Bob W-PDML]

On 6 Dec 2017, at 07:22, mike wilson 
> wrote:

WRT cost of product, I once overheard sopmeone in a supermarket espousing the
chapness of the capsules they had found.  Examining the product during an
overwhelming burst of curiosity, I found thy were paying over £11 for 100g of
coffee.  Sad, sad people.


Still, it's cheaper than coffee that's been shat by a weasel.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak


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Re: OT: Coffee

[Ken Waller]

Makes me think of the strategy used on the lower cost digital printers where 
the cost of ink over time is vastly more expensive the the initial cost of 
the printer.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "mike wilson" 

Subject: Re: OT: Coffee


The capsules themselves are often made completely from recyclable 
material, so
that side is of lesser concern - assuming they stay in the cycle.  Of 
greater
concern is the environmental cost of machine production and the oxygen 
wasted by

the people who promote these devices.

WRT cost of product, I once overheard sopmeone in a supermarket espousing 
the

chapness of the capsules they had found.  Examining the product during an
overwhelming burst of curiosity, I found thy were paying over £11 for 100g 
of

coffee.  Sad, sad people.


On 05 December 2017 at 20:29 Bob W-PDML  wrote:


Coffee capsules are an environmental disaster. The whole thing is a 
classic
example of wasteful production and unnecessary technology designed simply 
to

screw more money out of the consumer by selling them useless crap.

> On 5 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Daniel J. Matyola  
> wrote:

>
> On that subject, I recently received a very good espresso/coffee 
> machine.

>
> 
https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/illy-reg-y3-2-espresso-coffee-machine/3328580?skuId=61763098=PS_googlepla_nonbrand_coffeetea_online_id=61763098=pla_channel=online=1o4=224233276482=c==g=558372011=609_id=h-73354b0251f621c2c41ac0fdecf49233_t-1512482115=EAIaIQobChMIsIXx9oLz1wIViUsNCh0A9AQuEAYYBCABEgIstPD_BwE
>
> It requires special capsules, and they are not cheap, but they are
> extremely convenient, and inexpensive compared to buying coffee from
> StarBuck or even Duncan Donuts.
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Bob W-PDML  
>> wrote:

>>
>> Coffee is good. It's one of the few real pleasures in life that 
>> actually
>> helps prevent rather than induce gout, so one the few earthly 
>> pleasures
>> remaining to me on my road to martyrdom. Compared to me Simeon 
>> Stylites

>> lived a life of sybaritic esurience.



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Re: December PUG is up!

[Ken Waller]

Hi ann, I'm surprised you've only been to 7 National parks. Your comment 
made me stop and count the National Parks I've visited - 22. Not all of them 
were photo destinations - some were just to rubber neck.


These National Parks are a great resource for the U. S.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "ann sanfedele" 

Subject: Re: December PUG is up!


But a gorgeous one! I counted the parks I've been to in North America
and there are 7 of them.. (two of the same park, amazingly - YOHO)
including mine, of course...
Love the caribou at Denali, Ken - and Brian's Pinnacles leaps out at
me... but so much prettiness throughout.

My personal favorite is for a very personal reason.. (in addition to it
being a lovely shot)
I think I know those ravens at the Painted Desert!
WHen did you take the photo, Jan?
I named the one in front "Sam" .. Ok, maybe it isn't Sam and his wife,
but I made friends with a Raven on the blue mesa overlook in the late
80's - He was stealing crackers from me then I couldnt resist (what you
are not supposed to do) feeding him. A couple of years later, nearing
the overlook , I saw a raven overhead and called out to him..
damned if he didn't come in for a landing, right in front of me... much
to the delight of RIchard's daughter who was traveling with us.

While it is unlikely Sam recognized me and was just looking for anyone
to give him a handout, the ranger
said it was entirely possible it was the same guy, as ravens settle in
to favorite places and also mate for life.

I took this photo of Sam in 1990 - and it got dolled up for inclusion in
my book of poetry..

https://annsan.smugmug.com/Works-in-Print/Books-in-Print/The-Part-of-Fortune/i-SHfm4CB/A

If you are curious about the verse I wrote for him ...

https://books.google.com/books?id=iLbJDAAAQBAJ=PA56=PA56=The+Raven+at+Blue+Mesa+Ann+Sanfedele=bl=4M_RE5tkLa=dfweoZ6DtuAAP7vuibaNg3H66js=en=X=0ahUKEwjk6tC0nPTXAhUSkeAKHeW-AUEQ6AEIKzAA#v=onepage=The%20Raven%20at%20Blue%20Mesa%20Ann%20Sanfedele=false

I forgot how to do tinyurl .. sorry

sorry for the outpouring of emotion... Sam was an important part of my life

ann

On 12/5/2017 4:47 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day all,

A late surge of submissions got us up to a reasonable number - all very 
good,

showing the diversity of National Parks in several countries.

View here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery 
there).


Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the 
gallery,

let me know.

+

First up for 2018: 'Shadow'.

Full Submissions Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

You can submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

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Re: December PUG is up!

[Ken Waller]

My favorite, however, is Ken Waller's "Caribou."  What a magnificent 
beast,

and what a splendid pose.  The background is just right:  Out of focus
enough to avoid distracting the eye, yet clear enough to strongly convey
the environment.


Thanks Dan, I appreciate the comments.
I had tracked this beast off road for some time and he gradually became 
accustomed to me allowing me to get as close as I dared. The OOF background 
is one of the pluses when using big glass.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 

Subject: Re: December PUG is up!



Not a large gallery, but a very enjoyable one, with many entrancing
portraits of National Parks all over the globe.

Rick Wormer's "Haleakala Crater"  touches my soul, as that is just about 
my

favorite spot on the planet -- next to the beaches of South Maui.  
Jack Davis' "Moulton Barn" is perhaps THE classic national park view, and
he managed to take that oft-photographed site and make it feel alive.
Jn van Wijk's "Painted Desert Locals" is perhaps the most dynamic;  I love
the way he capture both the perched bird and the airborne in that
well-composed image.
My favorite, however, is Ken Waller's "Caribou."  What a magnificent 
beast,

and what a splendid pose.  The background is just right:  Out of focus
enough to avoid distracting the eye, yet clear enough to strongly convey
the environment.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Brian Walters 
wrote:


G'day all,

A late surge of submissions got us up to a reasonable number - all very
good,
showing the diversity of National Parks in several countries.

View here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
there).

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
gallery,
let me know.

+

First up for 2018: 'Shadow'.

Full Submissions Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

You can submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Cheers

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Re: December PUG is up!

[ann sanfedele]

I thought  it was privately owned.. hmmm
but you certainly would know :-)

ann

On 12/6/2017 11:15 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

David J Brooks wrote:


Skipped this one as i THOUGHT i had not been to a national park, then
remembered to late that GFM is one. Arg

GFM is a state park, not national.
  



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Re: December PUG is up!

[David J Brooks]

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> David J Brooks wrote:
>
>>Skipped this one as i THOUGHT i had not been to a national park, then
>>remembered to late that GFM is one. Arg
>
> GFM is a state park, not national.

Good thing i forgot then

Dave
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Re: December PUG is up!

[Mark Roberts]

David J Brooks wrote:

>Skipped this one as i THOUGHT i had not been to a national park, then
>remembered to late that GFM is one. Arg

GFM is a state park, not national.
 
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Re: December PUG is up!

[ann sanfedele]

GFM is private land... but photos you took there, given you pointed your 
camera in the right direction,

would have given you the Great Smokey Mountains NP

ann

On 12/6/2017 10:06 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

Skipped this one as i THOUGHT i had not been to a national park, then
remembered to late that GFM is one. Arg

Dave

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

ann sanfedele wrote:


I counted the parks I've been to in North America
and there are 7 of them.. (two of the same park, amazingly - YOHO)
including mine, of course...

Some people just have good taste :-)

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Re: December PUG is up!

[ann sanfedele]

I would love it to have been true... and actually -felt- it was so at 
the time.

and ravens, I believe, are somewhat smarter than pigeons.

ann
On 12/6/2017 9:50 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

"While it is unlikely Sam recognized me"

Don't be so sure, Ann.  I read a scientific paper on city pigeons, where it
was demonstrated that the definitely recognized human faces, and can retain
the memories for extended periods of time,

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 8:27 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:


But a gorgeous one!  I counted the parks I've been to in North America and
there are 7 of them.. (two of the same park, amazingly - YOHO) including
mine, of course...
Love the caribou at Denali, Ken - and Brian's Pinnacles leaps out at me...
but so much prettiness throughout.

My personal favorite is for a very personal reason.. (in addition to it
being a lovely shot)
I think I know those ravens at the Painted Desert!
WHen did you take the photo, Jan?
I named  the one in front "Sam" .. Ok, maybe it isn't Sam and his wife,
but I made friends with a Raven on the blue mesa overlook in the late 80's
- He was stealing crackers from me then I couldnt resist (what you are not
supposed to do) feeding him.  A couple of years later, nearing the overlook
, I saw a raven overhead and called out to him..
damned if he didn't come in for a landing, right in front of me... much to
the delight of RIchard's daughter who was traveling with us.

While it is unlikely Sam recognized me and was just looking for anyone to
give him a handout, the ranger
said it was entirely possible it was the same guy, as ravens settle in to
favorite places and also mate for life.

I took this photo of Sam in 1990 - and it got dolled up for inclusion in
my book of poetry..

https://annsan.smugmug.com/Works-in-Print/Books-in-Print/The
-Part-of-Fortune/i-SHfm4CB/A

If you are curious about the verse I wrote for him ...

https://books.google.com/books?id=iLbJDAAAQBAJ=PA56=
PA56=The+Raven+at+Blue+Mesa+Ann+Sanfedele=bl=
4M_RE5tkLa=dfweoZ6DtuAAP7vuibaNg3H66js=en=X=0a
hUKEwjk6tC0nPTXAhUSkeAKHeW-AUEQ6AEIKzAA#v=onepage=The%20Ra
ven%20at%20Blue%20Mesa%20Ann%20Sanfedele=false

I forgot how to do tinyurl .. sorry

sorry for the outpouring of emotion... Sam was an important part of my life

ann


On 12/5/2017 4:47 PM, Brian Walters wrote:


G'day all,

A late surge of submissions got us up to a reasonable number - all very
good,
showing the diversity of National Parks in several countries.

View here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
there).

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
gallery,
let me know.

+

First up for 2018: 'Shadow'.

Full Submissions Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

You can submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

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Re: December PUG is up!

[David J Brooks]

Skipped this one as i THOUGHT i had not been to a national park, then
remembered to late that GFM is one. Arg

Dave

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> ann sanfedele wrote:
>
>>I counted the parks I've been to in North America
>>and there are 7 of them.. (two of the same park, amazingly - YOHO)
>>including mine, of course...
>
> Some people just have good taste :-)
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Re: December PUG is up!

[Daniel J. Matyola]

"While it is unlikely Sam recognized me"

Don't be so sure, Ann.  I read a scientific paper on city pigeons, where it
was demonstrated that the definitely recognized human faces, and can retain
the memories for extended periods of time,

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 8:27 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> But a gorgeous one!  I counted the parks I've been to in North America and
> there are 7 of them.. (two of the same park, amazingly - YOHO) including
> mine, of course...
> Love the caribou at Denali, Ken - and Brian's Pinnacles leaps out at me...
> but so much prettiness throughout.
>
> My personal favorite is for a very personal reason.. (in addition to it
> being a lovely shot)
> I think I know those ravens at the Painted Desert!
> WHen did you take the photo, Jan?
> I named  the one in front "Sam" .. Ok, maybe it isn't Sam and his wife,
> but I made friends with a Raven on the blue mesa overlook in the late 80's
> - He was stealing crackers from me then I couldnt resist (what you are not
> supposed to do) feeding him.  A couple of years later, nearing the overlook
> , I saw a raven overhead and called out to him..
> damned if he didn't come in for a landing, right in front of me... much to
> the delight of RIchard's daughter who was traveling with us.
>
> While it is unlikely Sam recognized me and was just looking for anyone to
> give him a handout, the ranger
> said it was entirely possible it was the same guy, as ravens settle in to
> favorite places and also mate for life.
>
> I took this photo of Sam in 1990 - and it got dolled up for inclusion in
> my book of poetry..
>
> https://annsan.smugmug.com/Works-in-Print/Books-in-Print/The
> -Part-of-Fortune/i-SHfm4CB/A
>
> If you are curious about the verse I wrote for him ...
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=iLbJDAAAQBAJ=PA56=
> PA56=The+Raven+at+Blue+Mesa+Ann+Sanfedele=bl=
> 4M_RE5tkLa=dfweoZ6DtuAAP7vuibaNg3H66js=en=X=0a
> hUKEwjk6tC0nPTXAhUSkeAKHeW-AUEQ6AEIKzAA#v=onepage=The%20Ra
> ven%20at%20Blue%20Mesa%20Ann%20Sanfedele=false
>
> I forgot how to do tinyurl .. sorry
>
> sorry for the outpouring of emotion... Sam was an important part of my life
>
> ann
>
>
> On 12/5/2017 4:47 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
>
>> G'day all,
>>
>> A late surge of submissions got us up to a reasonable number - all very
>> good,
>> showing the diversity of National Parks in several countries.
>>
>> View here:
>>
>> http://pug.komkon.org/
>>
>> (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
>> there).
>>
>> Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
>> infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
>> gallery,
>> let me know.
>>
>> +
>>
>> First up for 2018: 'Shadow'.
>>
>> Full Submissions Guidelines here:
>>
>> http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
>>
>> You can submit here:
>>
>> http://pug.komkon.org/submit/
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
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Re: December PUG is up!

[Jan van Wijk]

Thanks for the heads up, and for this story Ann!

On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 20:27:22 -0500 ann sanfedele wrote:
>
>My personal favorite is for a very personal reason.. (in addition to it being 
>a lovely shot)
>I think I know those ravens at the Painted Desert!
>WHen did you take the photo, Jan?

It was taken on July 28, 2008, on a roadtrip starting in Phoenix,
and traveling over 5000 miles in a grey Mustang convertible,
visting about 10 parks along the way :)

This is directly next to the vistor centre in the Painted Desert,
when I drove up there from the Petrified Forest ...


>I named  the one in front "Sam" .. Ok, maybe it isn't Sam and his wife, but I 
>made friends with a Raven on the blue mesa overlook in the late 80's - He was 
>stealing crackers from me then I couldnt resist 
(what you are not supposed to do) feeding him.  A couple of years later, 
nearing the overlook , I saw a raven overhead and called out to him..
>damned if he didn't come in for a landing, right in front of me... much to the 
>delight of RIchard's daughter who was traveling with us.

Cute ...

>While it is unlikely Sam recognized me and was just looking for anyone to give 
>him a handout, the ranger
>said it was entirely possible it was the same guy, as ravens settle in to 
>favorite places and also mate for life.
>
>I took this photo of Sam in 1990 - and it got dolled up for inclusion in my 
>book of poetry..
>
>https://annsan.smugmug.com/Works-in-Print/Books-in-Print/The-Part-of-Fortune/i-SHfm4CB/A

Regards, JvW


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Re: December PUG is up!

[Jan van Wijk]

Thanks Dan!

On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:12:10 -0500 Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>Jn van Wijk's "Painted Desert Locals" is perhaps the most dynamic;  I love
>the way he capture both the perched bird and the airborne in that
>well-composed image.

Regards, JvW


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Re: OT: Coffee

[Daniel J. Matyola]

"the oxygen wasted by the people who promote these devices."

More oxygen is wasted by seeking to blame others' habits rather than
working together for clean energy and effective recyclking.

Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:21 AM, mike wilson  wrote:

> The capsules themselves are often made completely from recyclable
> material, so
> that side is of lesser concern - assuming they stay in the cycle.  Of
> greater
> concern is the environmental cost of machine production and the oxygen
> wasted by
> the people who promote these devices.
>
> WRT cost of product, I once overheard sopmeone in a supermarket espousing
> the
> chapness of the capsules they had found.  Examining the product during an
> overwhelming burst of curiosity, I found thy were paying over £11 for 100g
> of
> coffee.  Sad, sad people.
>
> > On 05 December 2017 at 20:29 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Coffee capsules are an environmental disaster. The whole thing is a
> classic
> > example of wasteful production and unnecessary technology designed
> simply to
> > screw more money out of the consumer by selling them useless crap.
> >
> > > On 5 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > On that subject, I recently received a very good espresso/coffee
> machine.
> > >
> > > https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/illy-reg-y3-
> 2-espresso-coffee-machine/3328580?skuId=61763098=
> PS_googlepla_nonbrand_coffeetea_online_id=
> 61763098=pla_channel=online=1o4&
> creative=224233276482=c==g&
> mrkgadid=558372011=609_id=h-73354b0251f621c2c41ac0fdecf492
> 33_t-1512482115=EAIaIQobChMIsIXx9oLz1wIViUsNCh
> 0A9AQuEAYYBCABEgIstPD_BwE
> > >
> > > It requires special capsules, and they are not cheap, but they are
> > > extremely convenient, and inexpensive compared to buying coffee from
> > > StarBuck or even Duncan Donuts.
> > >
> > > Dan Matyola
> > > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> > >
> > >> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Bob W-PDML 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Coffee is good. It's one of the few real pleasures in life that
> actually
> > >> helps prevent rather than induce gout, so one the few earthly
> pleasures
> > >> remaining to me on my road to martyrdom. Compared to me Simeon
> Stylites
> > >> lived a life of sybaritic esurience.
> > >>>
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Re: GESO after dinner fire

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That is quite a blaze!


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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 4:08 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> It seems that someone decided to use an apartment's carport as a yule log
> a couple weeks early
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157688094921852
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GESO after dinner fire

[Larry Colen]

It seems that someone decided to use an apartment's carport as a yule 
log a couple weeks early


https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157688094921852


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