January PUG is up!

[Brian Walters]

G'day all,

Welcome to 2017.

A great and varied collection to start the new year.

As usual you'll find the gallery here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
there).

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
gallery, let me know.

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Next up: 'This Sporting Life'

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Re: An opinion: How much better can things get?

[Igor PDML-StR]

Mark, I trusted you... and you...
I took some inexpensive lenses out of the closet, and tried them...
Their quality didn't go up. You mislead /me!
;-)

Igor



Mark Roberts Mon, 09 Jan 2017 07:44:18 -0800 wrote:

Collin B wrote:


The only rough point is the price of good lenses. They've gone up while
bodies drop.



But on the other hand the *quality* of inexpensive lenses has gone up.
Way up.

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Re: PESO - 'Reaching Out'

[Philip Northeast]

Interesting shapes and textures.

Philip Northeast

www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au

On 10/1/17 5:48 am, Ken Waller wrote:

Taken last spring - a large Hosta in my yard.
K-3, 300mm f 4.5 SMC FA, f9.0, 1/400, 800 ISO

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18329773

Comments appreciated.

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Re: PESO - 'Reaching Out'

[Ken Waller]

Thanks Paul, I appreciate the comment.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" 

Subject: Re: PESO - 'Reaching Out'



Nice composition. Excellent render.

Paul via phone


On Jan 9, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Taken last spring - a large Hosta in my yard.
K-3, 300mm f 4.5 SMC FA, f9.0, 1/400, 800 ISO

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18329773

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PESO: the rivulet

[Philip Northeast]

The Hobart Rivulet starts on Mt. Wellington and flows down through the 
city centre to teh Derwent River. Here in summer it is only a trickle, 
but can get more exciting after heavy rain.


https://flic.kr/p/QUQDdX


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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[Zos Xavius]

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
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>
> Gonz wrote:
>>
>> I would be just as interesting if not more interesting to me to have
>> the Bayer filter removed (is that even possible?).  That would make
>> for a cool B camera.  don't know if the software would support this
>> kind of image though (in raw).
>
>
> My understanding is that the Bayer filter is actually part of the sensor,
> and can't be removed.  It would gain you about 5dB in sensitivity, at the
> loss of the ability to apply virtual color filters in post processing.

You can scrape it off or use chemicals to remove it. People offer
modified cameras with this done. You lose sensitivity due to the loss
of microlenses but gain sensitivity due to the loss of the CFA. This
seems to offset for the most part.

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Re: PESO: Blooming

[Alan C]

Thanks Dave. Rather spectacular. A veritable buzz bar.

Alan C

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Subject: PESO: Blooming

Our Xmas lily is blooming.  Here are two views about 90° apart.  There are 
still a few unopened buds but there are plenty to keep the bees busy.


http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1035/#peso

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1036/#peso

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Re: PESOs(2)-Lisbon Cloisters

[ann sanfedele]

good stuff- like them both and they make me want to be tehre

ann


On 1/9/2017 8:44 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18329266=lg

Closer:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18329267

(K-5, DA 16-45)

Comments appreciated.

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Re: PESOs(2)-Lisbon Cloisters

[Bruce Walker]

Those are both wonderful shots, Rick. Really reveals the mood and
ambiance of the place.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 8:44 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
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> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18329266=lg
>
> Closer:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18329267
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> (K-5, DA 16-45)
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> Comments appreciated.
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> Rick
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PESOs(2)-Lisbon Cloisters

[Rick Womer]

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18329266=lg

Closer:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18329267

(K-5, DA 16-45)

Comments appreciated.

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Re: PESO: Blooming

[David Mann]

Oh yes, well and truly.  People seem to either love or hate the scent.  I like 
it but in the past couple of years they've been making my nose a bit stuffy if 
we have them inside.

Cheers,
Dave

> On Jan 10, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> It's amazing. Does it have a perfume, Dave?
> 
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 4:28 PM, David Mann  wrote:
>> Our Xmas lily is blooming.  Here are two views about 90° apart.  There are 
>> still a few unopened buds but there are plenty to keep the bees busy.
>> 
>> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1035/#peso
>> 
>> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1036/#peso
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
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Re: K-1 Autofocus

[Bill]

On 1/9/2017 9:25 AM, Gonz wrote:

Well, this is pretty much the situation I'm in right now.  I guess I
could take a leap of faith and try the K-1.  The worst that can happen
is that I am not happy and I sell it at a small loss.  I'm so invested
in good Pentax glass that it would be a shame not to try .and. .give.
.them. .one. .more. .chance.


You wouldn't know it from looking at my pictures, but I'm actually 
pretty picky about my gear.


I bought into Pentax in the mid 1980s and spent the next nearly 3 
decades being frustrated with my 35mm gear. Great lenses, but the bodies 
always seemed to have something wonky that compromised them.


I'm not frustrated anymore.



On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Bill  wrote:

On 1/8/2017 3:04 PM, Gonz wrote:


Question: How is the K-1 autofocus, as compared to say, a K-5?  I was
looking through a batch of pictures I took recently at a family
gathering and was appalled by the autofocus performance.  Many of the
shots were off, lost forever.  So bad that I started looking at other
systems like Nikon D500, etc, which reviewers say is on par with their
flagship D5.

I just don't want to invest in a 2K camera if they haven't at least
made this essential (to my tired old eyes) part work much better.  No
matter that I have  tied up in so many Pentax lenses.




The AF in the K5 very nearly chased me away from Pentax. In fact, it was one
of the reasons I invested rather heavily in Fuji. I was tired of cameras
that plain and simply didn't work. The problem with the K5 was that Hoya was
try9ng to eke every penny they could out of their unwanted camera division,
and every component of the K5 was compromised. If you had a camera that
worked, you were golden, but the problems with the K5 were legion, the AF
being front and center.

Ricoh, in their wisdom, corrected seemingly every problem that Hoya built
into the Pentax line during their abysmal ownership.
The K1 AF actually works, and works very well indeed. I don't know if it's
up to Nikon D5 standards, but it is fast, and more to the point, when it
says it has locked focus, it means it has locked onto the subject, not some
point in space a few feet in front of or behind.


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Re: Kodak to bring back Ektachrome!

[John]

On 1/9/2017 10:41 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Christine Aguila wrote:


From the Washington Post!  FYI!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/01/06/kodak-says-its-bringing-back-ektachrome-film-and-photographers-everywhere-smile/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-technology%3Ahomepage%2Fcard_term=.c6c5ac75995d


Only in 35mm format :(




If they manage to sell a shit pot load of it, maybe other formats will
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Re: Kodak to bring back Ektachrome!

[John]

I dunno', considering how low the temperatures have been around here the
last few days.

On 1/9/2017 10:52 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:

You will be waiting a long time

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Collin B  wrote:

There's lots of E-6 out there to shoot.
I'm waiting for Kodachrome's return.
Then ...





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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[Bill]

On 1/9/2017 9:53 AM, Collin B wrote:

Zos said ...

The K-3 II has pixel shift, better SR (1 stop better), and the astro
tracer built in. It also lacks a pop up flash since that is where they
put the GPS unit. Otherwise they are 100% the same really. If you
didn't need pixel shift or GPS I would just pass myself.


Is pixel shift usable outside of studio shooting?




Kind of sort of. It's usable in the same conditions you would have been 
using 4x5 in.


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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[Bill]

On 1/9/2017 9:09 AM, Collin B wrote:

What's the advantages of a K3II over a K3?




Pixel shift.
And that is a biggie if you are into macro.

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Re: An opinion: How much better can things get?

[steve harley]

On 2017-01-09 8:21 , Collin B wrote:

When I look at almost everyone's digital camera offerings, they're all so
good.


i think the smaller-sensor cameras still need a new sensor technology to 
surpass their limits in dynamic range and low light capabilities; plus EVF 
display tech could still improve, along with the mechanics/ergonomics of 
things like focus peaking, wireless transfer, organizing photos (on camera)



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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[Larry Colen]

David J Brooks wrote:

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

I forgot to mention that the 28-105 is arguably the sharpest kit lens I've
ever used.  I picked it up because I couldn't afford the 24-70, already had
a tammy 28-75, and didn't have a weather proof standard range zoom.

which verdsion, i have the older FA 28-105. I found it poor on my K10d
but have yet to use it on my K-5, Right now its a body covwer on my
PZ-1


The new one, that was $500 with the K-1.  Weather resistant has become 
very important to me these days.



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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[David J Brooks]

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I forgot to mention that the 28-105 is arguably the sharpest kit lens I've
> ever used.  I picked it up because I couldn't afford the 24-70, already had
> a tammy 28-75, and didn't have a weather proof standard range zoom.
which verdsion, i have the older FA 28-105. I found it poor on my K10d
but have yet to use it on my K-5, Right now its a body covwer on my
PZ-1

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Re: PESO: Blooming

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Nice... I can smell them from here

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On 1/9/2017 3:28 PM, David Mann wrote:

Our Xmas lily is blooming.  Here are two views about 90° apart.  There are 
still a few unopened buds but there are plenty to keep the bees busy.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1035/#peso

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1036/#peso

Cheers,
Dave





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Re: PESO: Blooming

[Bruce Walker]

It's amazing. Does it have a perfume, Dave?

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 4:28 PM, David Mann  wrote:
> Our Xmas lily is blooming.  Here are two views about 90° apart.  There are 
> still a few unopened buds but there are plenty to keep the bees busy.
>
> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1035/#peso
>
> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1036/#peso
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[Gonz]

haha

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
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>
> Gonz wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, you would be stuck using physical colored filters instead of
>> tweaking the B virtually in LR/PS.  Like back in the bad ole days of
>> B film.  You only get that chance to get it right with the physical
>> filters, lots of chances with the full Bayer filtered image.
>>
>> That's a big negative.
>
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> So negatives don't have Bayer filters, and no Bayer filter is a big
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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[Larry Colen]

Gonz wrote:

Yeah, you would be stuck using physical colored filters instead of
tweaking the B virtually in LR/PS.  Like back in the bad ole days of
B film.  You only get that chance to get it right with the physical
filters, lots of chances with the full Bayer filtered image.

That's a big negative.


So negatives don't have Bayer filters, and no Bayer filter is a big 
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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[Gonz]

Yeah, you would be stuck using physical colored filters instead of
tweaking the B virtually in LR/PS.  Like back in the bad ole days of
B film.  You only get that chance to get it right with the physical
filters, lots of chances with the full Bayer filtered image.

That's a big negative.


On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
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>
> Gonz wrote:
>>
>> I would be just as interesting if not more interesting to me to have
>> the Bayer filter removed (is that even possible?).  That would make
>> for a cool B camera.  don't know if the software would support this
>> kind of image though (in raw).
>
>
> My understanding is that the Bayer filter is actually part of the sensor,
> and can't be removed.  It would gain you about 5dB in sensitivity, at the
> loss of the ability to apply virtual color filters in post processing.
>
> I would be interested in seeing real-world comparisons between the Leica
> monochrome only body, and the color equivalent.  With modern sensors, my
> suspicion is that there are very few situations where removing the Bayer
> filter would give a noticeable improvement, and a lot of times when not
> being able to tweak the contribution from the different channels in post
> would be a big detriment.
>
> In short, by the time the dust settled, you would get better results for
> less overall cost, just selling the K-3 buying an off the shelf K-1 and
> converting to B in Post than you would converting the K-3. If you already
> have the K-1, I can't think of any advantage you would have by removing the
> Bayer on a K-3 for B
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PESO: Blooming

[David Mann]

Our Xmas lily is blooming.  Here are two views about 90° apart.  There are 
still a few unopened buds but there are plenty to keep the bees busy.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1035/#peso

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1036/#peso

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Re: PESO - 'Reaching Out'

[ann sanfedele]

Ditto what Bruce said...

(I didn't see your original post  - wonder if it will show up later in 
my PDML folder... )


ann


On 1/9/2017 2:38 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

This has an appealingly elegant form and composition. A very beautiful
image, Ken.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Taken last spring - a large Hosta in my yard.
K-3, 300mm f 4.5 SMC FA, f9.0, 1/400, 800 ISO

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18329773

Comments appreciated.

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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[Larry Colen]

Gonz wrote:

I would be just as interesting if not more interesting to me to have
the Bayer filter removed (is that even possible?).  That would make
for a cool B camera.  don't know if the software would support this
kind of image though (in raw).


My understanding is that the Bayer filter is actually part of the 
sensor, and can't be removed.  It would gain you about 5dB in 
sensitivity, at the loss of the ability to apply virtual color filters 
in post processing.


I would be interested in seeing real-world comparisons between the Leica 
monochrome only body, and the color equivalent.  With modern sensors, my 
suspicion is that there are very few situations where removing the Bayer 
filter would give a noticeable improvement, and a lot of times when not 
being able to tweak the contribution from the different channels in post 
would be a big detriment.


In short, by the time the dust settled, you would get better results for 
less overall cost, just selling the K-3 buying an off the shelf K-1 and 
converting to B in Post than you would converting the K-3. If you 
already have the K-1, I can't think of any advantage you would have by 
removing the Bayer on a K-3 for B


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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[Gonz]

I would be just as interesting if not more interesting to me to have
the Bayer filter removed (is that even possible?).  That would make
for a cool B camera.  don't know if the software would support this
kind of image though (in raw).


On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I forgot to mention that the 28-105 is arguably the sharpest kit lens I've
> ever used.  I picked it up because I couldn't afford the 24-70, already had
> a tammy 28-75, and didn't have a weather proof standard range zoom.
>
> In decent light, I'm quite happy to leave it on my camera.  I don't know how
> it compares, other than speed and cost with the 24-70.
>
> Also, when I got my K-1 I had a K-3 and a K-3II which made a nice pair for
> when I wanted to use two bodies.  I held off on selling one, but these days
> only use one of them when I want to mount the 18-250 to have a small wide
> range camera to carry around, I should do something with the K-3.  One
> option, and probably the smart one, would be to sell it. Another option
> would be to have the IR block filter removed.
>
> This is a topic that comes up every now and then, and the list of shops
> doing it seems to change on a year by year basis.  Has anyone had the
> conversion done lately?  Who did it, are you happy with their work and what
> did it cost?
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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[Larry Colen]

I forgot to mention that the 28-105 is arguably the sharpest kit lens 
I've ever used.  I picked it up because I couldn't afford the 24-70, 
already had a tammy 28-75, and didn't have a weather proof standard 
range zoom.


In decent light, I'm quite happy to leave it on my camera.  I don't know 
how it compares, other than speed and cost with the 24-70.


Also, when I got my K-1 I had a K-3 and a K-3II which made a nice pair 
for when I wanted to use two bodies.  I held off on selling one, but 
these days only use one of them when I want to mount the 18-250 to have 
a small wide range camera to carry around, I should do something with 
the K-3.  One option, and probably the smart one, would be to sell it. 
Another option would be to have the IR block filter removed.


This is a topic that comes up every now and then, and the list of shops 
doing it seems to change on a year by year basis.  Has anyone had the 
conversion done lately?  Who did it, are you happy with their work and 
what did it cost?




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Re: Kodak to bring back Ektachrome!

[Mark Roberts]

Zos Xavius wrote:

>http://petapixel.com/2017/01/09/kodak-investigating-take-bring-back-kodachrome/
>
>Now they are thinking about kodachrome. I will believe it when I see it really.

They're just stoking the social media rumor machine.
They have no intention of bringing back Kodachrome.
 
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Re: Kodak to bring back Ektachrome!

[Steve Sharpe]

I'm waiting for Plus-X...

On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 10:47:21 -0500, Collin B wrote:
> There's lots of E-6 out there to shoot.
> I'm waiting for Kodachrome's return.
> Then ...

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Re: PESO - 'Reaching Out'

[Larry Colen]

Ken Waller wrote:

Taken last spring - a large Hosta in my yard.
K-3, 300mm f 4.5 SMC FA, f9.0, 1/400, 800 ISO

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18329773

Comments appreciated.


Very well done.  I suspect that it would also work excellent as a black 
and white.  That is not to say better, but I think it would work as well 
in black and white as it does in color.




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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[Larry Colen]

TLDR; summary at end

My plan was to go from the K-5 ii to the K-1, but due to a weird 
confluence of events, I ended up with both a K-3 and a K-3ii.


The K-3, K-3 II and the K-1 each have advantages.

In reasonable light, if you don't shoot with wide lenses, the image 
quality differences are subtle, the vast majority of the time you won't 
notice.


Autofocus seems to get a bit better with each successive generation.  My 
big gripe with the K-1 autofocus is that I can't focus on objects out of 
the center of the frame, and I often want to frame my subject in one 
corner or another, or just not leave lots of empty space above someone 
when shooting a portrait.


If you shoot sports, or primarily shoot with long lenses, one of the K-3 
bodies might actually work better for you. In some ways, even at APS 
crop, the K-1 does better than the K-3, but it's still a slower frame 
rate.  When shooting action, the frame rate of the K-3 bodies is 
amazing, at least by Pentax standards.


Some of the disadvantages of the smaller sensor would be mitigated by 
being able to use some of the APS only lenses like the sigma 18-35 1.8. 
It would be interesting to compare the K-3 with 18-35/1.8 with the K-1 
and the 24-70 2.8.


There are a lot of advantages to having a pop-up flash, mostly being 
able to ad a bit of fill without having to lug around a a speedlight. 
The big advantage of the internal GPS, to me, is if you are using more 
than one body, the internal clocks are synched to each other, which 
makes it easier to put shots in chronological order.


Despite the DxO numbers, in real world the K-3 actually performs as well 
in low light as the K-5, you might get more noise per pixel, but you've 
got more pixels to average over.


The K-1 is noticeably bigger, has noticeably shorter battery life, takes 
noticeably larger raw files, and fills the buffer way too quickly if you 
are shooting action in situations where you have to take photos when 
something interesting *might* happen because if you wait to see if 
something interesting did happen, it already happened and you missed it. 
Of course, if you don't mind photos of something interesting that just 
happened rather than something interesting about to happen, or at the 
instant of it happening, this is less of a problem.


In general, autofocus on the K-1 is much better, largely because with 
more focus points each with a smaller area it's much less likely to 
focus on the wrong thing (the microphone instead of the singer. I have 
got an amazing collection of beautiful photos of microphones with 
singers in the background).


Low light and high ISO performance of the K-1 is quite a bit better than 
previous generations.


Live view on the K-1 is a huge step up from the K-3, especially with the 
electronic shutter firmware upgrade. Combine that with the flip out 
screen and it is very handy in a lot of situations.


Perhaps the biggest advantage of the K-1 is shifting the angle of view 
of a lot of the glass back up by a factor of 1.5 times.  My 50/1.4 was 
always an awkward length on APS, but it works well on full frame, and it 
is really nice to have an f/1.4 standard.  Granted I could have gotten a 
Sigma 35/1.4, but haven't yet.  The Samyang 24/1.4 on the K-1 is awesome 
for astro landscapes. The 15-30/2.8 is a beast to carry around, but it's 
a great fast wide lens.


Some of the APS lenses work surprisingly well at FF. The DA 35 macro 
vignettes a bit when used at "normal" distances, but not much at macro, 
in any case it is easily corrected, either in lightroom or by cropping. 
 The DA 55/1.4 vignettes a bit, I'd go with the FA 50/1.4 unless you're 
in the rain. The DA55-300 works surprisingly well at the wide and long 
ends, but it does weird cropping between about 100-200mm.


There are aspects of the new UI I dislike, and others I prefer.

After releasing a body with more performance, more features and more to 
learn than ever before, they cheaped out on the user manual, it is half 
the size of the K-5, glosses over all of the details of the features and 
would barely be sufficient as a manual on a point and shoot aimed at 
someone who had never used a camera before.


In summary:
Other than potentially used prices, not a lot of advantage of the K-5 
family.


If pop-up flash is critical go for the K-3.

If shutter rate, size, effective buffer size, or cost is critical, get a 
used K-3 II.


In pretty much every other regard, the K-1 will significantly out 
perform every other k-mount Pentax DSLR, even when shooting in crop mode.


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Re: PESO - 'Reaching Out'

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Works very nicely as an abstract.

Dan

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On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

> Taken last spring - a large Hosta in my yard.
> K-3, 300mm f 4.5 SMC FA, f9.0, 1/400, 800 ISO
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18329773
>
> Comments appreciated.
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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[Bruce Walker]

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Stanley Halpin
 wrote:
> [...] if/when I decide to revisit APS-C, I would absolutely definitely choose 
> K-3 over K-3ii.
>
> [...] the K-3ii ditches the pop-up flash
> [...] I have yet to see a reliable add-on I can use to trigger external 
> Pentax flashes.

Inexpensive radio triggers, Stan.

They solve all the annoying problems with the weak line-of-sight
optical triggering system, except HSS (though some radio triggers
claim to handle even that). I remain unconvinced about the real world
usefulness of HSS because it saps flash power like crazy. I just slap
on an ND filter.

I wish they'd spend development budget on focal plane shutters and
faster flash sync speeds instead.

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Re: PESO - 'Reaching Out'

[Gonz]

Excellent composition and color.


On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> Taken last spring - a large Hosta in my yard.
> K-3, 300mm f 4.5 SMC FA, f9.0, 1/400, 800 ISO
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18329773
>
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>
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Re: PESO - 'Reaching Out'

[Bruce Walker]

This has an appealingly elegant form and composition. A very beautiful
image, Ken.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> Taken last spring - a large Hosta in my yard.
> K-3, 300mm f 4.5 SMC FA, f9.0, 1/400, 800 ISO
>
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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[Zos Xavius]

Sure, but with some caveats. If you have zero movement in your scene,
then you are golden. If tree branches sway in the wind, water flows,
grasses move, people, etc, there will be some issues. The K-1 has some
software that helps with this when it processes PS files, but the k-3
never was upgraded to reflect that. If you are photoshop savvy you can
easily process the file in silkypix and then extract a single frame
out of the same DNG (it saves each shot individually) and merge the
two in photoshop. You can use the single frame grab to fill in the
areas where movement caused error though you will of course lose the
PS effect in that area. I would have no issues using pixelshift that
way. Its not perfect on the k-1 either at times with moving scenes so
you would likely have to do the same thing with that camera as well
though you would have less to fix I think. Does that make sense?

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Collin B  wrote:
> Zos said ...
>>The K-3 II has pixel shift, better SR (1 stop better), and the astro
>>tracer built in. It also lacks a pop up flash since that is where they
>>put the GPS unit. Otherwise they are 100% the same really. If you
>>didn't need pixel shift or GPS I would just pass myself.
>
> Is pixel shift usable outside of studio shooting?
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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[Stanley Halpin]

I had the K-3. I sold it (them) and moved from APS-C to the K-1. But if/when I 
decide to revisit APS-C, I would absolutely definitely choose K-3 over K-3ii. 

Two reasons. I still haven’t become convinced of any real world advantage to 
the pixel-shift gimmick. Second, the K-3ii ditches the pop-up flash and puts a 
GPS in its place. I love the GPS, it is something I asked for when on this 
list, soon after the *ist-D came out, we did a group discussion off what would 
we love to have now that our cameras are digital. But the add-on GPS thingie 
worked just fine. And the pop-up flash on the K-3 and earlier was very useful 
for occasional fill flash, but even more as a trigger for external flash. I 
have yet to see a reliable add-on I can use to trigger external Pentax flashes. 
So the K-3ii is a no go for me and the lack of a pop-up is my major criticism 
of the K-1.

Stan

> On Jan 9, 2017, at 12:43 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> For the purposes of general photography not much.  On the other hand, the K-3 
> is actually selling for more NIB than the K-3II is where it's available*...
> 
> *A phenomenon I've also noted about the K-5 vs later Pentax cameras as well.  
>  I suppose a NIB K-5 would be a nice collectors item, or not, but who would 
> choose it over a K-5II[s] or K-3II for actual photography?
> 
> 
> On 1/9/2017 10:09 AM, Collin B wrote:
>> What's the advantages of a K3II over a K3?
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[Zos Xavius]

Whoah. I never noticed that. Interesting. Their DR and noise
performance is 100% identical from what I can tell. Maybe sony revised
that sensor along the way.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 12:46 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> The K-3II either has a different sensor or slightly different sensor
> masking, as it has a slightly higher pixel count.  Not enough to, by itself,
> make a "real world" difference in image quality, but it's not exactly the
> same.  Just very close in pretty much every respect.
>
>
>
> On 1/9/2017 10:49 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:
>>
>> The K-3 II has pixel shift, better SR (1 stop better), and the astro
>> tracer built in. It also lacks a pop up flash since that is where they
>> put the GPS unit. Otherwise they are 100% the same really. If you
>> didn't need pixel shift or GPS I would just pass myself.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Collin B  wrote:
>>>
>>> What's the advantages of a K3II over a K3?
>>>
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Re: PESO - 'Reaching Out'

[Paul Stenquist]

Nice composition. Excellent render.

Paul via phone

> On Jan 9, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> 
> Taken last spring - a large Hosta in my yard.
> K-3, 300mm f 4.5 SMC FA, f9.0, 1/400, 800 ISO
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18329773
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Re: Kodak to bring back Ektachrome!

[Zos Xavius]

http://petapixel.com/2017/01/09/kodak-investigating-take-bring-back-kodachrome/

Now they are thinking about kodachrome. I will believe it when I see it really.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> It must be Ektaplasm
>
>> On 9 Jan 2017, at 17:39, P. J. Alling  wrote:
>>
>> Well, it isn't really "Kodak", maybe it isn't really Ektachrome.
>>
>>
>>> On 1/9/2017 10:18 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:
>>> >From the Washington Post!  FYI!
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/01/06/kodak-says-its-bringing-back-ektachrome-film-and-photographers-everywhere-smile/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-technology%3Ahomepage%2Fcard_term=.c6c5ac75995d
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>>>
>>> Cheers, Christine
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PESO - 'Reaching Out'

[Ken Waller]

Taken last spring - a large Hosta in my yard.
K-3, 300mm f 4.5 SMC FA, f9.0, 1/400, 800 ISO

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18329773

Comments appreciated.

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Re: Kodak to bring back Ektachrome!

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It must be Ektaplasm

> On 9 Jan 2017, at 17:39, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> Well, it isn't really "Kodak", maybe it isn't really Ektachrome.
> 
> 
>> On 1/9/2017 10:18 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:
>> >From the Washington Post!  FYI!
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/01/06/kodak-says-its-bringing-back-ektachrome-film-and-photographers-everywhere-smile/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-technology%3Ahomepage%2Fcard_term=.c6c5ac75995d
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>> Cheers, Christine
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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[P. J. Alling]

The K-3II either has a different sensor or slightly different sensor 
masking, as it has a slightly higher pixel count.  Not enough to, by 
itself, make a "real world" difference in image quality, but it's not 
exactly the same.  Just very close in pretty much every respect.



On 1/9/2017 10:49 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:

The K-3 II has pixel shift, better SR (1 stop better), and the astro
tracer built in. It also lacks a pop up flash since that is where they
put the GPS unit. Otherwise they are 100% the same really. If you
didn't need pixel shift or GPS I would just pass myself.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Collin B  wrote:

What's the advantages of a K3II over a K3?


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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[P. J. Alling]

For the purposes of general photography not much.  On the other hand, 
the K-3 is actually selling for more NIB than the K-3II is where it's 
available*...


*A phenomenon I've also noted about the K-5 vs later Pentax cameras as 
well.   I suppose a NIB K-5 would be a nice collectors item, or not, but 
who would choose it over a K-5II[s] or K-3II for actual photography?



On 1/9/2017 10:09 AM, Collin B wrote:

What's the advantages of a K3II over a K3?





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Re: Kodak to bring back Ektachrome!

[P. J. Alling]

Well, it isn't really "Kodak", maybe it isn't really Ektachrome.


On 1/9/2017 10:18 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

>From the Washington Post!  FYI!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/01/06/kodak-says-its-bringing-back-ektachrome-film-and-photographers-everywhere-smile/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-technology%3Ahomepage%2Fcard_term=.c6c5ac75995d


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Re: Kodak to bring back Ektachrome!

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On 9/1/17, Collin B, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I'm waiting for Kodachrome's return.

K25 - f/8 and chill for a while

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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[Collin B]

Zos said ...
>The K-3 II has pixel shift, better SR (1 stop better), and the astro
>tracer built in. It also lacks a pop up flash since that is where they
>put the GPS unit. Otherwise they are 100% the same really. If you
>didn't need pixel shift or GPS I would just pass myself.

Is pixel shift usable outside of studio shooting?


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Re: Kodak to bring back Ektachrome!

[Zos Xavius]

You will be waiting a long time

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Collin B  wrote:
> There's lots of E-6 out there to shoot.
> I'm waiting for Kodachrome's return.
> Then ...
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Re: K-1 Autofocus

[Zos Xavius]

Absolute truth!

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> It’s not exactly a leap in that i have yet to hear that anyone who bought the 
> K-1 has been displeased. You have to spend close to $1000 more to get a DSLR 
> that tops it in any significant way.
>
> Paul
>> On Jan 9, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Gonz  wrote:
>>
>> Well, this is pretty much the situation I'm in right now.  I guess I
>> could take a leap of faith and try the K-1.  The worst that can happen
>> is that I am not happy and I sell it at a small loss.  I'm so invested
>> in good Pentax glass that it would be a shame not to try .and. .give.
>> .them. .one. .more. .chance.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Bill  wrote:
>>> On 1/8/2017 3:04 PM, Gonz wrote:

 Question: How is the K-1 autofocus, as compared to say, a K-5?  I was
 looking through a batch of pictures I took recently at a family
 gathering and was appalled by the autofocus performance.  Many of the
 shots were off, lost forever.  So bad that I started looking at other
 systems like Nikon D500, etc, which reviewers say is on par with their
 flagship D5.

 I just don't want to invest in a 2K camera if they haven't at least
 made this essential (to my tired old eyes) part work much better.  No
 matter that I have  tied up in so many Pentax lenses.


>>>
>>> The AF in the K5 very nearly chased me away from Pentax. In fact, it was one
>>> of the reasons I invested rather heavily in Fuji. I was tired of cameras
>>> that plain and simply didn't work. The problem with the K5 was that Hoya was
>>> try9ng to eke every penny they could out of their unwanted camera division,
>>> and every component of the K5 was compromised. If you had a camera that
>>> worked, you were golden, but the problems with the K5 were legion, the AF
>>> being front and center.
>>>
>>> Ricoh, in their wisdom, corrected seemingly every problem that Hoya built
>>> into the Pentax line during their abysmal ownership.
>>> The K1 AF actually works, and works very well indeed. I don't know if it's
>>> up to Nikon D5 standards, but it is fast, and more to the point, when it
>>> says it has locked focus, it means it has locked onto the subject, not some
>>> point in space a few feet in front of or behind.
>>>
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Re: Kodak to bring back Ektachrome!

[Collin B]

There's lots of E-6 out there to shoot.
I'm waiting for Kodachrome's return.
Then ...


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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[Zos Xavius]

The K-3 II has pixel shift, better SR (1 stop better), and the astro
tracer built in. It also lacks a pop up flash since that is where they
put the GPS unit. Otherwise they are 100% the same really. If you
didn't need pixel shift or GPS I would just pass myself.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Collin B  wrote:
> What's the advantages of a K3II over a K3?
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Re: An opinion: How much better can things get?

[Mark Roberts]

Collin B wrote:

>The only rough point is the price of good lenses. They've gone up while
>bodies drop.

But on the other hand the *quality* of inexpensive lenses has gone up.
Way up.
 
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Re: Kodak to bring back Ektachrome!

[Mark Roberts]

Christine Aguila wrote:

>From the Washington Post!  FYI!
>
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/01/06/kodak-says-its-bringing-back-ektachrome-film-and-photographers-everywhere-smile/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-technology%3Ahomepage%2Fcard_term=.c6c5ac75995d

Only in 35mm format :(
 
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Re: K-1 Autofocus

[Paul Stenquist]

It’s not exactly a leap in that i have yet to hear that anyone who bought the 
K-1 has been displeased. You have to spend close to $1000 more to get a DSLR 
that tops it in any significant way.

Paul
> On Jan 9, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> Well, this is pretty much the situation I'm in right now.  I guess I
> could take a leap of faith and try the K-1.  The worst that can happen
> is that I am not happy and I sell it at a small loss.  I'm so invested
> in good Pentax glass that it would be a shame not to try .and. .give.
> .them. .one. .more. .chance.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Bill  wrote:
>> On 1/8/2017 3:04 PM, Gonz wrote:
>>> 
>>> Question: How is the K-1 autofocus, as compared to say, a K-5?  I was
>>> looking through a batch of pictures I took recently at a family
>>> gathering and was appalled by the autofocus performance.  Many of the
>>> shots were off, lost forever.  So bad that I started looking at other
>>> systems like Nikon D500, etc, which reviewers say is on par with their
>>> flagship D5.
>>> 
>>> I just don't want to invest in a 2K camera if they haven't at least
>>> made this essential (to my tired old eyes) part work much better.  No
>>> matter that I have  tied up in so many Pentax lenses.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> The AF in the K5 very nearly chased me away from Pentax. In fact, it was one
>> of the reasons I invested rather heavily in Fuji. I was tired of cameras
>> that plain and simply didn't work. The problem with the K5 was that Hoya was
>> try9ng to eke every penny they could out of their unwanted camera division,
>> and every component of the K5 was compromised. If you had a camera that
>> worked, you were golden, but the problems with the K5 were legion, the AF
>> being front and center.
>> 
>> Ricoh, in their wisdom, corrected seemingly every problem that Hoya built
>> into the Pentax line during their abysmal ownership.
>> The K1 AF actually works, and works very well indeed. I don't know if it's
>> up to Nikon D5 standards, but it is fast, and more to the point, when it
>> says it has locked focus, it means it has locked onto the subject, not some
>> point in space a few feet in front of or behind.
>> 
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Re: K-1 Autofocus

[Gonz]

Well, this is pretty much the situation I'm in right now.  I guess I
could take a leap of faith and try the K-1.  The worst that can happen
is that I am not happy and I sell it at a small loss.  I'm so invested
in good Pentax glass that it would be a shame not to try .and. .give.
.them. .one. .more. .chance.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Bill  wrote:
> On 1/8/2017 3:04 PM, Gonz wrote:
>>
>> Question: How is the K-1 autofocus, as compared to say, a K-5?  I was
>> looking through a batch of pictures I took recently at a family
>> gathering and was appalled by the autofocus performance.  Many of the
>> shots were off, lost forever.  So bad that I started looking at other
>> systems like Nikon D500, etc, which reviewers say is on par with their
>> flagship D5.
>>
>> I just don't want to invest in a 2K camera if they haven't at least
>> made this essential (to my tired old eyes) part work much better.  No
>> matter that I have  tied up in so many Pentax lenses.
>>
>>
>
> The AF in the K5 very nearly chased me away from Pentax. In fact, it was one
> of the reasons I invested rather heavily in Fuji. I was tired of cameras
> that plain and simply didn't work. The problem with the K5 was that Hoya was
> try9ng to eke every penny they could out of their unwanted camera division,
> and every component of the K5 was compromised. If you had a camera that
> worked, you were golden, but the problems with the K5 were legion, the AF
> being front and center.
>
> Ricoh, in their wisdom, corrected seemingly every problem that Hoya built
> into the Pentax line during their abysmal ownership.
> The K1 AF actually works, and works very well indeed. I don't know if it's
> up to Nikon D5 standards, but it is fast, and more to the point, when it
> says it has locked focus, it means it has locked onto the subject, not some
> point in space a few feet in front of or behind.
>
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An opinion: How much better can things get?

[Collin B]

When I look at almost everyone's digital camera offerings, they're all so
good.
Even the slowest AF is quite quick & does a fine job.
The features, like geotagging/gps were unimaginable with film.
Pixel shift improves on the in-camera edge processing. Others will follow.
Once we got computer-designed lenses with aspherical elements then even
once-mediocre lenses started to produce decently, let alone what was
happened to the nice lenses.

The only rough point is the price of good lenses. They've gone up while
bodies drop.

These days the photographer really has some nice choices out there.



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Kodak to bring back Ektachrome!

[Christine Aguila]

>From the Washington Post!  FYI!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/01/06/kodak-says-its-bringing-back-ektachrome-film-and-photographers-everywhere-smile/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-technology%3Ahomepage%2Fcard_term=.c6c5ac75995d


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If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[Collin B]

What's the advantages of a K3II over a K3?


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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Charles Robinson]

Thanks, PJ - that's what I'll have to do.  I'd call the lens condition
"Good" (because of the small nick on the front element).  Wish me luck -
haven't attempted to sell anything on EBay in... probably 10 years at least!

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 9:15 PM, P. J. Alling 
wrote:

> I was thinking you'd do a quick price search and then have a good handle
> on making a private sale.  The lens sells used at KEH for $600 to $700 in
> VG to EX maybe $550 in Bargain condition.  I don't expect a retailer to buy
> it for that much but $100 is a low ball offer.Like I said, put it on
> ebay.  It's not as convenient as it used to be but that's where you'll get
> the best price.
>
>
>
> On 1/8/2017 12:28 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
>
>> I agree about profit and overhead but still think $100 for the 16-50 was
>> off by a couple hundred...
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 08:36 John  wrote:
>>
>> Not surprising. Your expectation is based on what you paid for it new.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They're thinking about how much they can sell it for, and they're not
>>>
>>> going to offer more than half that (or less), because they have to cover
>>>
>>> their overhead and still make a profit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> K5 with a kit lens *might* bring in $450 on eBay ... if you have the
>>>
>>> original box & all the goodies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/7/2017 6:16 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>> Holy cow.  Just got back from the local photo shoppe.  I was expecting a
 low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up.  I was NOT
 expecting a lowball on the 16-50.  They offered $180 for the body and

>>> $100
>>>
>>> for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
 very tiny nick on the front of the lens.   For a full package offer of

>>> $280
>>>
>>> I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move.  Sheesh!
 On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Steve Cottrell 

>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>> You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
>> because afterwards everything else seems cheap.
>>
> I did look at some a while back.
> Is there a good web site listing all available/made?
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Re: K-1 Autofocus

[Jos de Fotograaf]

I had the same experience when using the new 28-105. This lens has the 
focusing ring very close to the body. The lens has manual focus overide 
and the ring turns too easy. Quite often I touch it unintentionally 
after autofocusing.



On 08-Jan-17 22:04, Gonz wrote:

Question: How is the K-1 autofocus, as compared to say, a K-5?  I was
looking through a batch of pictures I took recently at a family
gathering and was appalled by the autofocus performance.  Many of the
shots were off, lost forever.  So bad that I started looking at other
systems like Nikon D500, etc, which reviewers say is on par with their
flagship D5.

I just don't want to invest in a 2K camera if they haven't at least
made this essential (to my tired old eyes) part work much better.  No
matter that I have  tied up in so many Pentax lenses.





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