date:20170126


I was just goofing. That may be how they do EVF, I don't know.

On 1/26/2017 6:08 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017, at 03:59 AM, John wrote:

Maybe if they put a second one on top facing the bottom of the
pentaprism so you could see it through the viewfinder.



How is that different than an EVF?


Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/



On 1/25/2017 10:17 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I won't like mirrorless until they invent a way to isolate the LED
screen from ambient light. Of course then the size advantage is
gone.

Paul via phone


On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

Brian Walters wrote:


Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C.  Just
a thought...


APS-C becoming strictly mirrorless is how I see the future. At least
the near future. Full-frame will become mainly or all mirrorless
eventually but it will take longer.

--
Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia
www.robertstech.com



--






--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

2017-01-26 Thread Alan C

Yes, I find that with the K110D files too - only 6.1Mp to start with.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Waller

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 9:19 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Cropping

Crop it the way that pleases you the best. If no one else appreciates
it, that's their problem, not yours.

However severe cropping might lead to issues of too small a file for
printing large images, although I've gotten nice large prints from cropped
*istD files.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
Subject: Re: Cropping

I think you may have missed something important though.

Trying to keep all that in your head while photographing in the real
world is probably going to make it explode. And that *WILL* make you
miss the image you wanted.

Everyone has their own *opinion* on the right way to do it. Everyone
knows how the rest of that analogy goes.

Bottom line - shoot what you want to shoot. Hopefully whatever it is
that attracted you to the scene in the first place will be in focus.
Nothing else really matters.

Crop it the way that pleases you the best. If no one else appreciates
it, that's their problem, not yours.

On 1/25/2017 7:31 PM, Eric Weir wrote:

On Jan 24, 2017, at 8:37 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:

I crop often. Sometimes radically. To focus more clearly on what 
interests me in the image. Am I a terrible photographer?

Don’t know where to start in responding to the responses. So many. So
interesing. So helpful. Special thanks to Cotty, Bob, Larry, and
Stan. Also Paul, John C, Ann, Igor, and Boris. I think I’ll try to
summarize and maybe later respond to individual responses. I hope
y’all will be able to find yourselves in the summary.

So what I heard was: Try frame to get what you want in the first
place. Reduce the variables, e.g., work with just one lens, to make
it easier to concentrate on framing and composition. Study
composition, and work to get better at it. On the other hand,
cropping is involved from beginning to end, from composing the shot
before it’s taken to final editing for presentation. And it is the
image presented that is important. Often circumstances, e.g., dynamic
moving or changing subjects or settings, make it difficult to frame
for the image you want. You can frame too tight, missing the image
you wanted. Occasionally there’s a secondary image in the original
image that can be brought out by cropping. Reframing in post is/may
be an aesthetic necessity. Finally, aiming to frame right in the
first placing and cropping in post both can help you see more
creatively.

Again, thanks too all. I don’t know much, but a hell of a lot of what
I know I learned from y’all.

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

“Man has been a murderer forever.”

- Peter Matthiessen.

--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and 
follow the directions. 

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping




On 1/26/2017 1:11 PM, John wrote:


Bottom line - shoot what you want to shoot. Hopefully whatever it is
that attracted you to the scene in the first place will be in focus.
Nothing else really matters.


 MARK!

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation

On 26/1/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:

>While I'm At It.

You just made that up ;-)

-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: KP pre-order

2017-01-26 Thread Brian Walters

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017, at 03:59 AM, John wrote:
> Maybe if they put a second one on top facing the bottom of the
> pentaprism so you could see it through the viewfinder.


How is that different than an EVF?


Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/

> 
> On 1/25/2017 10:17 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> > I won't like mirrorless until they invent a way to isolate the LED
> > screen from ambient light. Of course then the size advantage is
> > gone.
> >
> > Paul via phone
> >
> >> On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Mark Roberts  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Brian Walters wrote:
> >>
> >>> Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
> >>> and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C.  Just
> >>> a thought...
> >>
> >> APS-C becoming strictly mirrorless is how I see the future. At least
> >> the near future. Full-frame will become mainly or all mirrorless
> >> eventually but it will take longer.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia
> >> www.robertstech.com
> 
> 
> -- 



-- 
--

-- 
http://www.fastmail.com - The professional email service


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping


> On Jan 26, 2017, at 2:19 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> 
> I've gotten nice large prints from cropped *istD files.

Glad to hear that. I’ve got a bunch of *istD files most of which I think are 
not cropped at all. There are a few that might be worth printing. Something 
I’ve never done.

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"Imagining the other is a powerful antidote to fanaticism and hatred." 

- Amos Oz


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

> On Jan 26, 2017, at 1:11 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> Bottom line - shoot what you want to shoot. Hopefully whatever it is
> that attracted you to the scene in the first place will be in focus.
> Nothing else really matters.
> 
> Crop it the way that pleases you the best. If no one else appreciates
> it, that's their problem, not yours.

Thanks, John. Bob recently referenced Henry Gruyeart. On the first page of his 
Magnum profile he essentially says the same thing. About photography in general.

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"What is man without the beasts? If all the beasts were gone, 
men would die from a great loneliness of spirit." 

- Chief Seattle

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

2017-01-26 Thread Ken Waller


Crop it the way that pleases you the best. If no one else appreciates
it, that's their problem, not yours.


However severe cropping might lead to issues of too small a file for 
printing large images, although I've gotten nice large prints from cropped 
*istD files.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
Subject: Re: Cropping




I think you may have missed something important though.

Trying to keep all that in your head while photographing in the real
world is probably going to make it explode. And that *WILL* make you
miss the image you wanted.

Everyone has their own *opinion* on the right way to do it. Everyone
knows how the rest of that analogy goes.

Bottom line - shoot what you want to shoot. Hopefully whatever it is
that attracted you to the scene in the first place will be in focus.
Nothing else really matters.

Crop it the way that pleases you the best. If no one else appreciates
it, that's their problem, not yours.


On 1/25/2017 7:31 PM, Eric Weir wrote:



On Jan 24, 2017, at 8:37 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:

I crop often. Sometimes radically. To focus more clearly on what 
interests me in the image. Am I a terrible photographer?


Don’t know where to start in responding to the responses. So many. So
interesing. So helpful. Special thanks to Cotty, Bob, Larry, and
Stan. Also Paul, John C, Ann, Igor, and Boris. I think I’ll try to
summarize and maybe later respond to individual responses. I hope
y’all will be able to find yourselves in the summary.

So what I heard was: Try frame to get what you want in the first
place. Reduce the variables, e.g., work with just one lens, to make
it easier to concentrate on framing and composition. Study
composition, and work to get better at it. On the other hand,
cropping is involved from beginning to end, from composing the shot
before it’s taken to final editing for presentation. And it is the
image presented that is important. Often circumstances, e.g., dynamic
moving or changing subjects or settings, make it difficult to frame
for the image you want. You can frame too tight, missing the image
you wanted. Occasionally there’s a secondary image in the original
image that can be brought out by cropping. Reframing in post is/may
be an aesthetic necessity. Finally, aiming to frame right in the
first placing and cropping in post both can help you see more
creatively.

Again, thanks too all. I don’t know much, but a hell of a lot of what
I know I learned from y’all.

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

“Man has been a murderer forever.”

- Peter Matthiessen.




--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.




--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: question for the list from a friend

Thanks John, I'll pass that on to her.

Gonz

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:05 PM, John  wrote:
> On 1/26/2017 10:24 AM, Gonz wrote:
>>
>> A friend asked me this and I didn't have an answer, perhaps someone on
>> the list has heard of this before?
>>
>> "I was wondering if you know anything about document cameras (i.e.
>> rigs to photograph a large number of pages as an alternative to
>> scanning). The idea is to use such a thing to convert many pages of
>> music charts into electronic form. Any suggestions? Thanks."
>>
>
> Sounds like what your friend is looking for is a copy stand set up to
> photograph loose sheets. This might do.
>
> http://www.instructables.com/id/Copy-Stand-Cheap-and-easy-to-build/
>
> If necessary to photograph larger manuscripts, the design could be
> easily made larger.
>
> What happens next depends on whether your friend just needs images of
> the pages or needs to extract the musical notation from the images.
>
> Converting words or musical notation in the images is going to require
> some kind of OCR (Optical Character Recognition) software. Most flatbed
> scanners I know of come with an OCR application. I don't know if any of
> them can interpret music notation.
>
> BUT (and by now you should know there's always going to be a "but") ...
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_OCR
>
> AND
>
> https://archivesoutside.records.nsw.gov.au/digitising-your-collection-part-4-scanning-and-handling-tips/
>
> https://mpetroff.net/2013/09/scanner-modifications-to-scan-large-documents/
>
> https://www.digitalnc.org/about/what-we-use-to-digitize-materials/
>
> You might also do a Google search for "rare document digitization
> equipment".
>
> Now you know as much about it as I do.
>
> --
> Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
> Religion - Answers we must never question.
>
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
> follow the directions.



-- 
-- Reduce your Government Footprint

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: question for the list from a friend

On 1/26/2017 10:24 AM, Gonz wrote:

A friend asked me this and I didn't have an answer, perhaps someone on
the list has heard of this before?

"I was wondering if you know anything about document cameras (i.e.
rigs to photograph a large number of pages as an alternative to
scanning). The idea is to use such a thing to convert many pages of
music charts into electronic form. Any suggestions? Thanks."

Sounds like what your friend is looking for is a copy stand set up to
photograph loose sheets. This might do.

http://www.instructables.com/id/Copy-Stand-Cheap-and-easy-to-build/

If necessary to photograph larger manuscripts, the design could be
easily made larger.

What happens next depends on whether your friend just needs images of
the pages or needs to extract the musical notation from the images.

Converting words or musical notation in the images is going to require
some kind of OCR (Optical Character Recognition) software. Most flatbed
scanners I know of come with an OCR application. I don't know if any of
them can interpret music notation.

BUT (and by now you should know there's always going to be a "but") ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_OCR

AND

https://archivesoutside.records.nsw.gov.au/digitising-your-collection-part-4-scanning-and-handling-tips/

https://mpetroff.net/2013/09/scanner-modifications-to-scan-large-documents/

https://www.digitalnc.org/about/what-we-use-to-digitize-materials/

You might also do a Google search for "rare document digitization
equipment".

Now you know as much about it as I do.

--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation


> On Jan 26, 2017, at 1:52 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 26/1/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> What I ask is?
> 
> GSH
> 
> (Good Spot Hippy)

Nope.

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"Our world is a human world." 

- Hilary Putnam






-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation


> On Jan 26, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> On January 26, 2017 9:15:53 AM PST, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>> On 26/1/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> WIAI, a question for you and Godfrey: What's "chimping"? Taking a
>> shot,
>>> checking the results, adjusting and taking it again?
> 
> Yes, people looking at the display and staying ooh, ooh ooh, like a chimp.

Ah, now I understand.

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"What does it mean...that the world is so beautiful?" 

- Mary Oliver 









-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation


> On Jan 26, 2017, at 12:15 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 26/1/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> WIAI, a question for you and Godfrey: What's "chimping"? Taking a shot,
>> checking the results, adjusting and taking it again?
> 
> I've seen lots of internet acronyms but not that one.
> 
> 
> 
> h!!

While I’m At It.

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net 

'The universe is shot through in all parts by a single sort of love"

- Kabir






-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Pentax KP camera size compared to K-5 and K-3 (long).

I don't think that the style of the Df influenced the style of the KP as 
much as the questions of how do we make the camera appear smaller, (ah 
shave of a couple of mm from the right top plate, and the grip.


Hum, well now where do we put that pesky front wheel?  Ah vertically on 
the front panel the new replaceable grips will protect it.


Now we have to have some kind of unifying element.  This is a break with 
the past, we're going to use the new three wheel metaphor from the K-1 
so make the prism/flash look like that.


Maybe later someone said hey that looks like a Nikon.  But I doubt they 
started out to do that.  They just wanted it to look small.  That's what 
marketing wanted, that's what marketing got.


Having used the K-5 I think that it was an engineering/photographer 
centered design.  It was as small as it could be while being as big as 
it had to be.  The same seems to be true of the K-3.


After that the marketers took over design and the K-S1 was the result.

The new current result is the KP.  Not as garish as the K-S1 but I see 
the same heavy handed design team somewhat chastened, but still there.


Pentax said they learned their lesson with the endless *ist-D variations 
that didn't improve anything just made cheaper cameras using older 
technology.  DS, DL, DS2, DL2, all cut out with the same cookie cutter.


For a time the engineers took over and the results were an amazing 
advancement in technology for Pentax.  Right up to the K-7.  Then Hoya 
took over and the K-5 which was probably the last real Pentax design, 
was cheapened and sold for the highest profits possible.  Under Ricoh 
the K-5II/s fulfilled the promise of the K-5.


But really still good solid usable cameras.  What a photographer 
want's.  Substance over style mostly.


The K-3 was a fantastic camera it impressed even Nikon fanboys, and you 
don't get much more rabid than that, it brought back the fn Key to 
explicitly change the behavior of the multi function pad, but it also 
made a few design decisions that were pretty meaningless such as the 
switch that used to control metering pattern become a switch to control 
the center locking button on the mode dial.


Ricoh cares about quality but they also care more about marketing and in 
the current era their marketers are just as clueless as Pentax's were.  
The K-S1 was obviously marketer driven, and it was a failure.  Only a 
few of it's features, the less harmful and ridiculous ones, were carried 
over to the K-S2 and the merger of the K-S line into the more or less 
mainstream Pentax cameras line, we're going to see those influences 
continue and not for the better, I'm afraid.


I think the K-1 is the last Pentax engineering design.  Designed and 
built mostly by engineers who are also photographers.


Tue less said about Pentax's previous forays into Mirrorless the better 
it seems, even Ricoh want's to shove them down the memory hole.


On 1/26/2017 12:59 PM, John wrote:

I don't think Ricoh mistakes the Df for a sales leader either.

But, if you compare the "style" of the KP in relation to the rest of the
Pentax line of DSLRs and then compare the "style" of the Df in relation
to the rest of Nikon's line-up, I think there are some similarities.

On 1/26/2017 12:32 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

I don't think so, the only thing retro about the KP is the shape of the
"pentaprism" housing, and that's not particularly retro based on
physics.  I doubt even Ricoh, (ex Pentax), marketing could mistake the
Nikon Df as a top sales leader.


On 1/26/2017 11:38 AM, John wrote:

On 1/25/2017 8:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

There is no meaningful size difference between a KP and K-5.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,187

Ditto the KP and K-3 just in case anyone cared...

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,485




I think this may be the more meaningful comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,495


The KP seems to have that same retro look.

Comment on DPReview, "Looks like a mini-Pentax 67 (LOL)"









--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation

On 26/1/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>What I ask is?

GSH

(Good Spot Hippy)

-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: KP will not be the APS-C flagman, err. flagship?



Ergh!...
I shouldn't be sending any messages before the breakfast...
... or maybe even until I have a good night sleep.
But even then, I should have a breakfast first.
;-)



 P. J. Alling Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:29:32 -0800 wrote:

Flagman?  Shouldn't that be Flagship?



--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: question for the list from a friend



In that case, a hand-scanner would be a viable option.
But that's, in my mind, is a tedious job, especially if the volume is high 
("large number of pages", as you wrote).


But in that case, any type of designed-for-large-volume camera based setup 
that I can envision, would not be anywhat different from a scanner.

I would guess there are scanners that are somewhere in-between a
traditional flatbed scanner and a camera: you place the document face up, 
and the scanning element (plate with the scanning head) is mounted above 
it (so it is a non-contact scanner).


I'll stop my speculations here.

Igor


 Gonz Thu, 26 Jan 2017 07:49:11 -0800 wrote:


"I am curios: what type of challenge your friend is facing so that he/she is
considering a non-scanner solution?"



I don't know, perhaps the pages are not removable and you can't lay them 
flat?


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping


I think you may have missed something important though.

Trying to keep all that in your head while photographing in the real
world is probably going to make it explode. And that *WILL* make you
miss the image you wanted.

Everyone has their own *opinion* on the right way to do it. Everyone
knows how the rest of that analogy goes.

Bottom line - shoot what you want to shoot. Hopefully whatever it is
that attracted you to the scene in the first place will be in focus.
Nothing else really matters.

Crop it the way that pleases you the best. If no one else appreciates
it, that's their problem, not yours.


On 1/25/2017 7:31 PM, Eric Weir wrote:



On Jan 24, 2017, at 8:37 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:

I crop often. Sometimes radically. To focus more clearly on what interests me 
in the image. Am I a terrible photographer?


Don’t know where to start in responding to the responses. So many. So
interesing. So helpful. Special thanks to Cotty, Bob, Larry, and
Stan. Also Paul, John C, Ann, Igor, and Boris. I think I’ll try to
summarize and maybe later respond to individual responses. I hope
y’all will be able to find yourselves in the summary.

So what I heard was: Try frame to get what you want in the first
place. Reduce the variables, e.g., work with just one lens, to make
it easier to concentrate on framing and composition. Study
composition, and work to get better at it. On the other hand,
cropping is involved from beginning to end, from composing the shot
before it’s taken to final editing for presentation. And it is the
image presented that is important. Often circumstances, e.g., dynamic
moving or changing subjects or settings, make it difficult to frame
for the image you want. You can frame too tight, missing the image
you wanted. Occasionally there’s a secondary image in the original
image that can be brought out by cropping. Reframing in post is/may
be an aesthetic necessity. Finally, aiming to frame right in the
first placing and cropping in post both can help you see more
creatively.

Again, thanks too all. I don’t know much, but a hell of a lot of what
I know I learned from y’all.

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

“Man has been a murderer forever.”

- Peter Matthiessen.




--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Pentax KP camera size compared to K-5 and K-3


I don't think Ricoh mistakes the Df for a sales leader either.

But, if you compare the "style" of the KP in relation to the rest of the
Pentax line of DSLRs and then compare the "style" of the Df in relation
to the rest of Nikon's line-up, I think there are some similarities.

On 1/26/2017 12:32 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

I don't think so, the only thing retro about the KP is the shape of the
"pentaprism" housing, and that's not particularly retro based on
physics.  I doubt even Ricoh, (ex Pentax), marketing could mistake the
Nikon Df as a top sales leader.


On 1/26/2017 11:38 AM, John wrote:

On 1/25/2017 8:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

There is no meaningful size difference between a KP and K-5.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,187

Ditto the KP and K-3 just in case anyone cared...

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,485




I think this may be the more meaningful comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,495


The KP seems to have that same retro look.

Comment on DPReview, "Looks like a mini-Pentax 67 (LOL)"






--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO -- Spring Idle

I don't remember exactly that might actually be a birch, color balance 
can sometimes get wonky with the K20D in when deep shade is involved, 
but you're probably right and it is a telephone poll, .



On 1/26/2017 11:39 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

Yeah, too much stuff showing in the background.
However, that's a perfectly placed telephone poll growing from her head.

J :)

- Original Message -
From: "Eric Weir" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 7:39:40 AM
Subject: Re: PESO -- Spring Idle



On Jan 26, 2017, at 2:06 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:

I shot this damn, now that I look at it, about 5 years ago give or take a 
season, and experimented with a bunch of different crops.  Never got around to 
posting it.  It really needs to be framed tighter for the internet or printed 
bigger, also I managed to have a tree growing out of the young woman's head…
...
https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20springidle.html

Thanks, Peter. A calm inducing image. But how could you crop this any tighter? 
Focus on the girl on the bench?

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"The invincible shield of caring Is a weapon
sent from the sky against being dead."

- Tao Te Ching 67





--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Pentax KP camera size compared to K-5 and K-3

Looking at the top plates of both cameras dispels all illusions. The 
Pentax isn't a retro design aping an old film camera, it's a digital 
camera with one design touch from the film era.   The Nikon is a serial 
killer wearing the skin suit of a victim...


On 1/26/2017 11:38 AM, John wrote:

On 1/25/2017 8:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

There is no meaningful size difference between a KP and K-5.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,187

Ditto the KP and K-3 just in case anyone cared...

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,485




I think this may be the more meaningful comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,495


The KP seems to have that same retro look.

Comment on DPReview, "Looks like a mini-Pentax 67 (LOL)"




--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation

2017-01-26 Thread Larry Colen

What I ask is?

On January 26, 2017 9:15:53 AM PST, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>On 26/1/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>WIAI, a question for you and Godfrey: What's "chimping"? Taking a
>shot,
>>checking the results, adjusting and taking it again?

Yes, people looking at the display and staying ooh, ooh ooh, like a chimp.
>
>I've seen lots of internet acronyms but not that one.
>
>
>
>h!!

-- 
Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse any swypos.
http://red4est.com/lrc

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Pentax KP camera size compared to K-5 and K-3

I don't think so, the only thing retro about the KP is the shape of the 
"pentaprism" housing, and that's not particularly retro based on 
physics.  I doubt even Ricoh, (ex Pentax), marketing could mistake the 
Nikon Df as a top sales leader.



On 1/26/2017 11:38 AM, John wrote:

On 1/25/2017 8:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

There is no meaningful size difference between a KP and K-5.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,187

Ditto the KP and K-3 just in case anyone cared...

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,485




I think this may be the more meaningful comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,495


The KP seems to have that same retro look.

Comment on DPReview, "Looks like a mini-Pentax 67 (LOL)"




--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: KP will not be the APS-C flagman?


Flagman?  Shouldn't that be Flagship?

However DPReview, says it's the new APS-C flagship.  I think they're 
still considered a reputable journalistic site, what ever that means in 
the current age, so I'm assuming that they got that from Ricoh, and 
didn't get it wrong.


The biggest take away from all this is that the KP is being flogged as a 
compact DSLR, but it's obviously not.  It only looks compact due to the 
fact that what used to be protected by the body shell, the front control 
wheel is now outside the body itself, and the hand grip that used to 
hold a generous battery has been shaved away and that battery has been 
replaced with a much smaller one.


But really if you go to camera size, there is no significant difference 
in size between the KP, K5 and K3 of which the latter two were always 
considered mid sized DSLRs.  So smaller is pretty much marketing hype.


I guess Ricoh marketing looked at people buying mirrorless cameras and 
came to the conclusion that if it looks smaller you can compromise 
battery life, (they claim about 390 exposures, which is about what an 
OM-D is supposed to get per charge), but those cameras are actually 
significantly smaller.


Cosmetically the camera does have a "pentaprism" housing. (actually the 
top of the pop up flash), that harkens  back to, but can't replicate the 
shape of that feature on most pre-autofocus Pentax SLRS that had a 
pentaprism, just as the K-7/K-5 was made to look a bit like an LX with a 
hot shoe finder, from certain angles, or even closer the Super 
Program/Super A with a battery grip.


Personally I liked the styling of the K-7/K-5 found the slightly changed 
styling of the K-3 to be not bad, and the K-3II just a tad less, 
likable, (I'm not sure if that's the word I'm looking for). The K-1 
makes me think of an original 6x7, which also makes me think it's 
hulking brute of a camera.


The KP design doesn't make me think retro, doesn't make me think small, 
and doesn't make me think I want one.


Having a third control wheel that can be dedicated to ISO or exposure 
compensation seems pretty cool, but it just isn't worth it to lose the 
top information screen.  That might be different if the wheels were 
actual dials with markings on them, so I could tell the camera state at 
a glance, but they're not.   They're soft dials which make perfect sense 
on a digital device, but they convey no actual information based on 
their position.


Except for the high ISO, and based on my experience, I'll believe that 
when I actually see some images, and the electronic shutter which should 
be totally sllent I see nothing to recommend this camera over a K-5II or 
K-3, and a lot to make me prefer a K-3 for almost every reason.



On 1/26/2017 8:26 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


I usually do not go into speculations about Pentax plans, but here, 
the situation seems to be rather logical. (But who said that Pentax is 
always logical?!)


It is very logical if KP is _not_ the flagman of the APS-C lineup.
Based on the specs and trends, it sounds like it would be a 
continuation of the "intermediate" line in Pentax APS-C family.
Clearly, its features (and somewhere specs, I believe, e.g. fps) are 
overall below those of K-3/K-3ii.


It would make sense from the marketing/sales point of view, and Pentax 
has done this before: First a lower model with some more advanced 
features, then the higher(-est) model with all those feature plus some.
It also gives them a chance to test and correct something in the 
flagman model based on the market response to this one.


Hence, I am putting my big furry hat [*] on and making this prediction 
(or rather a proclamation): Pentax/Ricoh must release yet another 
APS-C DSLR

in the near future to be the successor of K3ii.
The hat has spoken!


[*] That is unrelated to Cotty's seasoned hat. It is a reference to 
the LSSC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRMnJDgStTw


Igor




--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

In case anyone hadn't seen it yet

2017-01-26 Thread Collin B

http://us.ricoh-imaging.com/index.php/cameras/pentax-kp

It seems odd to have it priced above the K3 bodies.
Yet some new features though still APS-C.
I do wonder how well (or not) the wifi works.
Was hoping they'd have the manual in the download area. Drat.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: KP pre-order

2017-01-26 Thread postmaster

P. J. Alling wrote:
>
> The fact that it's the replacement for the K-3 series is just a bit
> disappointing, actually that's an understatement, but I expected it
> probably was...

The KP is a thousand dollars and the K-1 is two grand. Given that a
camera in between tham would be around $1500 I'd guess it will be a
stripped-down full-frame rather than a up-spec APS-C.

So there will likely be ho higher-spec APS-C camera.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation

On 26/1/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:

>WIAI, a question for you and Godfrey: What's "chimping"? Taking a shot,
>checking the results, adjusting and taking it again?

I've seen lots of internet acronyms but not that one.



h!!

-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO -- Spring Idle


> On Jan 26, 2017, at 11:12 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> Pretty much, her posture and the book tell the story, but so too do her 
> sandals under the bench, which at this crop get lost in the shadows under the 
> bench. It needs the enthronement to tell the rest, but it doesn't need quite 
> as much, and closer the details would have been more prominent.

Thanks. That’s interesting.

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"What is man without the beasts? If all the beasts were gone, 
men would die from a great loneliness of spirit." 

- Chief Seattle






-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO -- Spring Idle


> On Jan 26, 2017, at 11:38 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> Enthronement how did any misspelling of environment get the spell checker to 
> suggest that word???  More importantly how the hell did I miss it???

We all do. It’s exasperating. One I let go buy on Twitter yesterday resulting 
in my being subjected to a fair bit of sarcastic ridicule. 

I’ve gotten better at proofreading before posting, but still….

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"You keep on learning and learning, and pretty soon
you learn something no one has learned before." 

- Richard Feynman


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation


> On Jan 26, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> Yup, theory and practice.  In practice, Lightroom is only good for 
> compensating by a few stops.  With the K100 and K20, when shooting in low 
> light I was ruled by the histogram, with the K-5,3,1 it guides me. I know 
> that I can give a lot more latitude when under exposing to preserve 
> highlights.  When shooting static scenes, I'll bracket rather than carefully 
> chimp each histogram, although bracketing ISO is pretty much useless.  I wish 
> the camera let me choose what to bracket independent of metering choice.
> 
> A lot of theory and advice have been given in this thread. In theory, theory 
> in practice are a lot closer than they are in practice. The only way to learn 
> what works for you, and your camera, is to try it. It's best if you can try 
> it on some photos that it doesn't matter if you ruin.

Thanks, Larry. I get lots of good practical how-to-do-it/how-it-works theory 
here. But I don’t learn anything till I try it.

WIAI, a question for you and Godfrey: What’s “chimping”? Taking a shot, 
checking the results, adjusting and taking it again?

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"What does it mean...that the world is so beautiful?" 

- Mary Oliver 









-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation


> On Jan 26, 2017, at 11:50 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> It's not the ability to focus you lose, it's the ability to easily check 
> focus on the camera LCD or EVF in the field—the image display of a several 
> stops underexposed JPEG is too difficult to see fine detail in most of the 
> time. The AF system doesn't care ... so If you have confidence that the AF 
> system (or the viewfinder if you're focusing manually) let's you see well 
> enough to nail the focus correctly, it works as well as it ever did. 
> 
> I don't spend a lot of time chimping, but I when working in circumstances 
> where I might want to maximize image detail by using the technique, I often 
> want to do a focus check while the setup is still there and I can reshoot. 

Thanks, Godfrey.

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"Imagining the other is a powerful antidote to fanaticism and hatred." 

- Amos Oz


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation


> On Jan 26, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> Not quite accurate, but close.  There is still an amplifier there.
> Just multiplying the digital values you get will result in
> posterization at the shadow end, its math.  You can't create
> information out of nothing. If you only have 2 bits of information (4
> values), then the digitization can only result in 4 values, no matter
> what you multiply it by.  What they mean by ISO invariance is that the
> sensors are so good noise-wise that those 4 values will be extremely
> consistent (less random/noisy) and will compare favorably with the
> amplification by the analog amp.  The analog amp will however, result
> in many more values, albeit noisy.  I.e. the conclusion is you can
> take the best pictures by utilizing as much of the histogram as
> possible.  Its just not realistic to take all your pictures at ISO 100
> and compensate in Lightroom.

Thanks, Gonz. I understand the last two sentences—my problem, not yours. But I 
will keep them in mind.

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net 

(I)t is important that awake people be awake... the darkness around us is deep.

- William Stafford


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: question for the list from a friend

On 26/1/17, Gonz, discombobulated, unleashed:

>"I was wondering if you know anything about document cameras (i.e.
>rigs to photograph a large number of pages as an alternative to
>scanning). The idea is to use such a thing to convert many pages of
>music charts into electronic form. Any suggestions? Thanks."

Here you go.



If your friend is, say, Russian - you might want to get the inscription
in a different language.

-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: KP pre-order


Maybe if they put a second one on top facing the bottom of the
pentaprism so you could see it through the viewfinder.

On 1/25/2017 10:17 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I won't like mirrorless until they invent a way to isolate the LED
screen from ambient light. Of course then the size advantage is
gone.

Paul via phone


On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

Brian Walters wrote:


Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C.  Just
a thought...


APS-C becoming strictly mirrorless is how I see the future. At least
the near future. Full-frame will become mainly or all mirrorless
eventually but it will take longer.

--
Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia
www.robertstech.com



--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping


> On Jan 26, 2017, at 10:36 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Eric -  I just meant, and apparently that didnt play, was that Stan was 
> playing photography 101 party-line teacher when he wrote to the general "you" 
> or "one""If there is something that interests you in an image, why didn't you 
> frame that element properly in the beginning? Not intended as a criticism, 
> but rather as a thought question. Ask yourself why you didn't get it right to 
> begin with. Too rushed? Careless? Wrong focal length?"
> 
> Going around these days , if I take the K-5 at all, I have only one camera 
> nad one lens too.  And back when I was carrying a camera every where I went 
> every day I had  my 50mm prime and the camera loaded with Tri-X, being most 
> inspired by HCB.  I rarely shot color unless we were travelling and then I 
> had a 135 and an 28 and two cameras..  plus a 300 , a 400, two macro lenses   
>  and a tripod in the car.

Thanks, Ann. 

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"The invincible shield of caring Is a weapon 
sent from the sky against being dead." 

- Tao Te Ching 67


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: KP pre-order

On 1/25/2017 7:41 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

That might make sense if there was any evidence at all that Ricoh has
any interest at all in building an advanced mirrorless camera line.
They had the basis for one and decided do quietly drop it, (and I don't
mean either Pentax product). What this reminds me of more than anything
is the Canon EOS SL but at a higher level.

My first thought when I looked at it was of the Nikon Df. It has the
same retroish look to it.

On 1/25/2017 7:07 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017, at 11:00 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

I guess Adorama doesn't realize that the DA 40mm f2.8 isn't a weather
sealed lens...

The fact that it's the replacement for the K-3 series is just a bit
disappointing, actually that's an understatement, but I expected it
probably was...

Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C. Just
a thought...

Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/

On 1/25/2017 5:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
https://www.adorama.com/ipxkpb.html?emailprice=t_source=slgt_medium=email_term=Sale_content=Body_campaign=Email012517PentaxNPA

Paul via phone

--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow
the directions.

Re: KP pre-order


*Adorama* says it's a replacement, but what has Ricoh said?

On 1/25/2017 7:00 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

I guess Adorama doesn't realize that the DA 40mm f2.8 isn't a weather
sealed lens...

The fact that it's the replacement for the K-3 series is just a bit
disappointing, actually that's an understatement, but I expected it
probably was...


On 1/25/2017 5:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
https://www.adorama.com/ipxkpb.html?emailprice=t_source=slgt_medium=email_term=Sale_content=Body_campaign=Email012517PentaxNPA


Paul via phone





--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation

2017-01-26 Thread Larry Colen




Gonz wrote:

Not quite accurate, but close.  There is still an amplifier there.
Just multiplying the digital values you get will result in
posterization at the shadow end, its math.  You can't create
information out of nothing. If you only have 2 bits of information (4
values), then the digitization can only result in 4 values, no matter
what you multiply it by.  What they mean by ISO invariance is that the
sensors are so good noise-wise that those 4 values will be extremely
consistent (less random/noisy) and will compare favorably with the
amplification by the analog amp.  The analog amp will however, result
in many more values, albeit noisy.  I.e. the conclusion is you can
take the best pictures by utilizing as much of the histogram as
possible.  Its just not realistic to take all your pictures at ISO 100
and compensate in Lightroom.


Yup, theory and practice.  In practice, Lightroom is only good for 
compensating by a few stops.  With the K100 and K20, when shooting in 
low light I was ruled by the histogram, with the K-5,3,1 it guides me. 
I know that I can give a lot more latitude when under exposing to 
preserve highlights.  When shooting static scenes, I'll bracket rather 
than carefully chimp each histogram, although bracketing ISO is pretty 
much useless.  I wish the camera let me choose what to bracket 
independent of metering choice.


A lot of theory and advice have been given in this thread. In theory, 
theory in practice are a lot closer than they are in practice. The only 
way to learn what works for you, and your camera, is to try it. It's 
best if you can try it on some photos that it doesn't matter if you ruin.



--
Larry Colen  l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation

2017-01-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

> On Jan 26, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Godfrey. I notice the disadvantage you mention in the other 
> post—possibly losing ability to focus accurately. Can autofocus be trusted in 
> such situations?

It's not the ability to focus you lose, it's the ability to easily check focus 
on the camera LCD or EVF in the field—the image display of a several stops 
underexposed JPEG is too difficult to see fine detail in most of the time. The 
AF system doesn't care ... so If you have confidence that the AF system (or the 
viewfinder if you're focusing manually) let's you see well enough to nail the 
focus correctly, it works as well as it ever did. 

I don't spend a lot of time chimping, but I when working in circumstances where 
I might want to maximize image detail by using the technique, I often want to 
do a focus check while the setup is still there and I can reshoot. 

G
-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso : The Evil Sky

2017-01-26 Thread Jack Davis


Or..embarrassed sky.(?)

j

- Original Message -
From: "ann sanfedele" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 7:16:55 AM
Subject: Re: Peso : The Evil Sky


On 1/26/2017 12:18 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:
> How apropos.
>
> m
Yup

>
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 8:31 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>
>> taken the same evening as the Gaudy Sky that I showed you lot a couple of 
>> weeks ago
>>
>> https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2016-and-all-that/i-PV5tG7C/XL
>>
>> Hand-held  , not cropped ..
>> K-5, DA18-55 ISO 800
>>
>> ann
>>
>


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO -- Spring Idle

2017-01-26 Thread Jack Davis


Yeah, too much stuff showing in the background. 
However, that's a perfectly placed telephone poll growing from her head.

J :)

- Original Message -
From: "Eric Weir" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 7:39:40 AM
Subject: Re: PESO -- Spring Idle


> On Jan 26, 2017, at 2:06 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> I shot this damn, now that I look at it, about 5 years ago give or take a 
> season, and experimented with a bunch of different crops.  Never got around 
> to posting it.  It really needs to be framed tighter for the internet or 
> printed bigger, also I managed to have a tree growing out of the young 
> woman's head…
> ...
> https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20springidle.html

Thanks, Peter. A calm inducing image. But how could you crop this any tighter? 
Focus on the girl on the bench? 

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"The invincible shield of caring Is a weapon 
sent from the sky against being dead." 

- Tao Te Ching 67


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation

Not quite accurate, but close.  There is still an amplifier there.
Just multiplying the digital values you get will result in
posterization at the shadow end, its math.  You can't create
information out of nothing. If you only have 2 bits of information (4
values), then the digitization can only result in 4 values, no matter
what you multiply it by.  What they mean by ISO invariance is that the
sensors are so good noise-wise that those 4 values will be extremely
consistent (less random/noisy) and will compare favorably with the
amplification by the analog amp.  The analog amp will however, result
in many more values, albeit noisy.  I.e. the conclusion is you can
take the best pictures by utilizing as much of the histogram as
possible.  Its just not realistic to take all your pictures at ISO 100
and compensate in Lightroom.

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> Eric Weir wrote:
>
>>There are things that were said, though, that I did not hear. That is, didn’t 
>>understand.
>>And probably am not going to understand when you explain it to me. What’s an 
>>“ISO invariant” camera?
>
> In the early days of digital it was standard practice to apply some
> amplification to the signal from the sensor prior to analog-to-digital
> conversion. This was how one increased the ISO setting. It's still
> used in some sensors today but other sensors change ISO setting
> strictly through software. These are said to be "ISO Invariant". (Most
> Sony sensors are ISO Invariant and all the ones used in recent Pentax
> cameras.
>
> What this means is that if you set the camera to, say, ISO 800 and
> have a scene that meters at 1/100 sec. at f/5.6 you can, using manual
> exposure, turn the ISO setting down to ISO 100 while keeping the
> shutter speed and aperture at 1/100 f/5.6 even though the meter will
> tell you you're 3 stops underexposed. If you just compensate later in
> Lightroom or Photoshop the results will be the same as you'd have if
> you'd shot at ISO 800 in camera. (This assumes one is shooting raw
> format, of course.)
>
>>If I’m to ETTR just enough to avoid clipping highlights, how much is
>>too much? I shoot RAW. Should I ignore the histogram?
>
> Don't ignore the histogram! *Any* clipping represents image data
> that's gone forever.
>
> --
> Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia
> www.robertstech.com
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.



-- 
-- Reduce your Government Footprint

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Pentax KP camera size compared to K-5 and K-3


On 1/25/2017 8:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

There is no meaningful size difference between a KP and K-5.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,187

Ditto the KP and K-3 just in case anyone cared...

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,485




I think this may be the more meaningful comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,495


The KP seems to have that same retro look.

Comment on DPReview, "Looks like a mini-Pentax 67 (LOL)"

--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO -- Spring Idle

Enthronement how did any misspelling of environment get the spell 
checker to suggest that word???  More importantly how the hell did I 
miss it???



On 1/26/2017 11:12 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Pretty much, her posture and the book tell the story, but so too do 
her sandals under the bench, which at this crop get lost in the 
shadows under the bench.   It needs the enthronement to tell the rest, 
but it doesn't need quite as much, and closer the details would have 
been more prominent.   However the K20D begins to crush detail at ISO 
800 and that's what I needed for a hand held shot and decent exposure 
of the shadows.



On 1/26/2017 10:39 AM, Eric Weir wrote:
On Jan 26, 2017, at 2:06 AM, P. J. Alling 
 wrote:


I shot this damn, now that I look at it, about 5 years ago give or 
take a season, and experimented with a bunch of different crops.  
Never got around to posting it.  It really needs to be framed 
tighter for the internet or printed bigger, also I managed to have a 
tree growing out of the young woman's head…

...
https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20springidle.html
Thanks, Peter. A calm inducing image. But how could you crop this any 
tighter? Focus on the girl on the bench?


-- 


Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"The invincible shield of caring Is a weapon
sent from the sky against being dead."

- Tao Te Ching 67








--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping




On 1/26/2017 9:19 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:

On 26 January 2017 at 14:13, Eric Weir  wrote:

On Jan 25, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

If Eric wants to crop less, he can do either what you suggest and read
some serious texts on the matter, or he can simply practice something
like nifty-fifty for awhile, or both.

What’s “nifty-fifty,” Boris. I have a sneaking suspicion I might find it 
helpful.

A 50mm prime lens.

It actually covers all the 50mm variations from which includes 55 and 
58mm.  Earlier lens designers prior to computerization for it easier to 
remove most undesirable lens characteristics with a slightly longer 
lens.   The same is true of a lot of medium format cameras too.   The 
actual normal lens for a 2 1/4 x 2 1/4 inch (6x6 cm), is about 70mm but 
lens designers found it much easier to make lenses with better edge 
effects slightly longer, so you'll find a lot of those cameras had 
75-85mm lenses.   Designing good normal lenses for 35mm wasn't any 
different, so you'll find a lot of, not just inexpensive f2.0 or slower, 
sometimes even f 1.4 "professional" lenses in 55 and 58mm.  Those all 
are considered nifty 50s now.


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO -- Spring Idle

Pretty much, her posture and the book tell the story, but so too do her 
sandals under the bench, which at this crop get lost in the shadows 
under the bench.   It needs the enthronement to tell the rest, but it 
doesn't need quite as much, and closer the details would have been more 
prominent.   However the K20D begins to crush detail at ISO 800 and 
that's what I needed for a hand held shot and decent exposure of the 
shadows.



On 1/26/2017 10:39 AM, Eric Weir wrote:

On Jan 26, 2017, at 2:06 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:

I shot this damn, now that I look at it, about 5 years ago give or take a 
season, and experimented with a bunch of different crops.  Never got around to 
posting it.  It really needs to be framed tighter for the internet or printed 
bigger, also I managed to have a tree growing out of the young woman's head…
...
https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20springidle.html

Thanks, Peter. A calm inducing image. But how could you crop this any tighter? 
Focus on the girl on the bench?

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"The invincible shield of caring Is a weapon
sent from the sky against being dead."

- Tao Te Ching 67





--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: question for the list from a friend

>>"I am curios: what type of challenge your friend is facing so that he/she is 
>>considering a non-scanner solution?"

I don't know, perhaps the pages are not removable and you can't lay them flat?

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>
> I don't have first-hand expertise with this.
> From what I've read, - most (if not all?) document archives/libraries are
> using scanners rather than photo cameras for this purpose these days.
>
> Obviously, there are different types of scanners.
> Typically, flatbed scanners are used for scanning fragile materials.
> There are some large flatbed scanners, and I suspect there could be some
> that have provision for stitching very large scans.
> I've seen some references to handheld/wand type of scanners (I was rather
> surprised by that); I am guessing those could be used in case on sources
> that are too curved or falling apart.
>
> Some companies that offer document scanning (including that for fragile
> documents and books) are bragging about custom-built specialized scanners.
>
>
> I am curios: what type of challenge your friend is facing so that he/she is
> considering a non-scanner solution?
>
> Igor
>
>
> Gonz Thu, 26 Jan 2017 07:26:00 -0800 wrote:
>
> A friend asked me this and I didn't have an answer, perhaps someone on
> the list has heard of this before?
>
>
> "I was wondering if you know anything about document cameras (i.e.
> rigs to photograph a large number of pages as an alternative to
> scanning). The idea is to use such a thing to convert many pages of
> music charts into electronic form. Any suggestions? Thanks."
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
> follow the directions.



-- 
-- Reduce your Government Footprint

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

question for the list from a friend



I don't have first-hand expertise with this.
From what I've read, - most (if not all?) document archives/libraries are 

using scanners rather than photo cameras for this purpose these days.

Obviously, there are different types of scanners.
Typically, flatbed scanners are used for scanning fragile materials.
There are some large flatbed scanners, and I suspect there could be some 
that have provision for stitching very large scans.
I've seen some references to handheld/wand type of scanners (I was rather 
surprised by that); I am guessing those could be used in case on sources 
that are too curved or falling apart.


Some companies that offer document scanning (including that for fragile 
documents and books) are bragging about custom-built specialized scanners.



I am curios: what type of challenge your friend is facing so that he/she 
is considering a non-scanner solution?


Igor


Gonz Thu, 26 Jan 2017 07:26:00 -0800 wrote:

A friend asked me this and I didn't have an answer, perhaps someone on
the list has heard of this before?


"I was wondering if you know anything about document cameras (i.e.
rigs to photograph a large number of pages as an alternative to
scanning). The idea is to use such a thing to convert many pages of
music charts into electronic form. Any suggestions? Thanks."

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation


> On Jan 26, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, Mark. That helps.
>> 
>> It also raises something else I’ve been wondering about. Can I set ISO to a 
>> low value, use whatever aperture and shutting settings I want for depth of 
>> field and capturing motion, not bother about underexposure, adjust exposure 
>> in post processing, and retain the advantages of low ISO, i.e, a less 
>> grainy/noisy image?  
> 
> Yes, up to a point. That's the point of ISO invariant shooting. For any given 
> camera/sensor, you have to experiment to determine just what the trade offs 
> are. 

Thanks, Godfrey. I notice the disadvantage you mention in the other 
post—possibly losing ability to focus accurately. Can autofocus be trusted in 
such situations?

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net 

“Let the beauty we love be what we do.”

- Rumi


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO -- Spring Idle


> On Jan 26, 2017, at 2:06 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> I shot this damn, now that I look at it, about 5 years ago give or take a 
> season, and experimented with a bunch of different crops.  Never got around 
> to posting it.  It really needs to be framed tighter for the internet or 
> printed bigger, also I managed to have a tree growing out of the young 
> woman's head…
> ...
> https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20springidle.html

Thanks, Peter. A calm inducing image. But how could you crop this any tighter? 
Focus on the girl on the bench? 

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"The invincible shield of caring Is a weapon 
sent from the sky against being dead." 

- Tao Te Ching 67


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation

2017-01-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

> Thanks, Mark. That helps.
> 
> It also raises something else I’ve been wondering about. Can I set ISO to a 
> low value, use whatever aperture and shutting settings I want for depth of 
> field and capturing motion, not bother about underexposure, adjust exposure 
> in post processing, and retain the advantages of low ISO, i.e, a less 
> grainy/noisy image?  

Yes, up to a point. That's the point of ISO invariant shooting. For any given 
camera/sensor, you have to experiment to determine just what the trade offs 
are. 

G
-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping



On 1/26/2017 9:10 AM, Eric Weir wrote:

On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:45 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I read Stan's comment as a bit of a toungue in cheek admonishment.

Thanks for your comments and suggestions, Ann. I didn’t take Stan’s remark as 
criticism or scolding, just as a jumping off place for my response. I am 
usually on the move—at a cross country meet or soccer game, hiking in the 
mountains, walking around town--when photographing and always have just one 
camera and one lens. I’ve experimented a little with a tripod in doing 
landscapes. I should do more.


 Eric -  I just meant, and apparently that didnt play, was that Stan 
was playing photography 101 party-line teacher when he wrote to the 
general "you" or "one"
"If there is something that interests you in an image, why didn't you 
frame that element properly in the beginning? Not intended as a 
criticism, but rather as a thought question. Ask yourself why you didn't 
get it right to begin with. Too rushed? Careless? Wrong focal length?"


Going around these days , if I take the K-5 at all, I have only one 
camera nad one lens too.  And back when I was carrying a camera every 
where I went every day I had  my 50mm prime and the camera loaded with 
Tri-X, being most inspired by HCB.  I rarely shot color unless we were 
travelling and then I had a 135 and an 28
and two cameras..  plus a 300 , a 400, two macro lensesand a tripod 
in the car.


ann

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation

2017-01-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

> On Jan 26, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Eric Weir wrote:
> 
>> There are things that were said, though, that I did not hear. That is, 
>> didn’t understand. 
>> And probably am not going to understand when you explain it to me. What’s an 
>> “ISO invariant” camera? 
> 
> In the early days of digital it was standard practice to apply some
> amplification to the signal from the sensor prior to analog-to-digital
> conversion. This was how one increased the ISO setting. It's still
> used in some sensors today but other sensors change ISO setting
> strictly through software. These are said to be "ISO Invariant". (Most
> Sony sensors are ISO Invariant and all the ones used in recent Pentax
> cameras.
> 
> What this means is that if you set the camera to, say, ISO 800 and
> have a scene that meters at 1/100 sec. at f/5.6 you can, using manual
> exposure, turn the ISO setting down to ISO 100 while keeping the
> shutter speed and aperture at 1/100 f/5.6 even though the meter will
> tell you you're 3 stops underexposed. If you just compensate later in
> Lightroom or Photoshop the results will be the same as you'd have if
> you'd shot at ISO 800 in camera. (This assumes one is shooting raw
> format, of course.)

Some modern sensors have a multi-modal sensitivity curve at the low end of the 
range: their performance from base to some point (usually two-three EV along) 
rises and falls, then a second curve takes over. I've even seen one or two with 
a third such rise and fall.  These sensors can be "ISO Invariant" in certain 
ranges of the curve, as long as you are not crossing the sensitivity curve at 
the wrong points. 

My Sony A7, when tested, did not show full "ISO Invariance", where my Leica M9 
did. I haven't bothered to test my SL or M-D ... because in most cases the use 
of extreme underexposure and pulling up the data in software means you have no 
ability to check focus or other capture specifics on the camera in the field. 

>> If I’m to ETTR just enough to avoid clipping highlights, how much is 
>> too much? I shoot RAW. Should I ignore the histogram?
> 
> Don't ignore the histogram! *Any* clipping represents image data
> that's gone forever.

That's probably too severe a recommendation. In contrasty circumstances, you 
are bound to be out of the dynamic range of the sensor from time to time. You 
have only two choices: add light to the dark areas so that you're in range or 
allow unimportant parts of the scene to clip. The goal is to get a good 
representation of the scene, not to make a perfect histogram. :-)

G
-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso : The Evil Sky


> On Jan 25, 2017, at 11:31 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> taken the same evening as the Gaudy Sky that I showed you lot a couple of 
> weeks ago
> 
> https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2016-and-all-that/i-PV5tG7C/XL

Yep, that’s and evil sky. As Marco said, appropriate.

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net 

“Let the beauty we love be what we do.”

- Rumi


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation


> On Jan 26, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> In the early days of digital it was standard practice to apply some
> amplification to the signal from the sensor prior to analog-to-digital
> conversion. This was how one increased the ISO setting. It's still
> used in some sensors today but other sensors change ISO setting
> strictly through software. These are said to be "ISO Invariant". (Most
> Sony sensors are ISO Invariant and all the ones used in recent Pentax
> cameras.
> 
> What this means is that if you set the camera to, say, ISO 800 and
> have a scene that meters at 1/100 sec. at f/5.6 you can, using manual
> exposure, turn the ISO setting down to ISO 100 while keeping the
> shutter speed and aperture at 1/100 f/5.6 even though the meter will
> tell you you're 3 stops underexposed. If you just compensate later in
> Lightroom or Photoshop the results will be the same as you'd have if
> you'd shot at ISO 800 in camera. (This assumes one is shooting raw
> format, of course.)

Thanks, Mark. That helps.

It also raises something else I’ve been wondering about. Can I set ISO to a low 
value, use whatever aperture and shutting settings I want for depth of field 
and capturing motion, not bother about underexposure, adjust exposure in post 
processing, and retain the advantages of low ISO, i.e, a less grainy/noisy 
image?  

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net 

(I)t is important that awake people be awake... the darkness around us is deep.

- William Stafford


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

question for the list from a friend

A friend asked me this and I didn't have an answer, perhaps someone on
the list has heard of this before?

"I was wondering if you know anything about document cameras (i.e.
rigs to photograph a large number of pages as an alternative to
scanning). The idea is to use such a thing to convert many pages of
music charts into electronic form. Any suggestions? Thanks."

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

> On Jan 26, 2017, at 9:19 AM, Eric Featherstone  
> wrote:
> 
> A 50mm prime lens.

Ah! Thanks, Eric. My “nifty-fifty” (35mm equivalent) is a 28—i.e., 28/2.8 
Pentax, 27/2.8 Fuji. The Pentax lens was the only lens I used on my walk in 
England in 2013. Got lots of good images with it. At least they look good to 
me. 

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net 

“Let the beauty we love be what we do.”

- Rumi

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso : The Evil Sky

Wow, NYC on fire!  Very cool (hot).



On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:31 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> taken the same evening as the Gaudy Sky that I showed you lot a couple of
> weeks ago
>
> https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2016-and-all-that/i-PV5tG7C/XL
>
> Hand-held  , not cropped ..
> K-5, DA18-55 ISO 800
>
> ann
>
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
> follow the directions.



-- 
-- Reduce your Government Footprint

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation

2017-01-26 Thread Mark Roberts

Eric Weir wrote:

>There are things that were said, though, that I did not hear. That is, didnt 
>understand. 
>And probably am not going to understand when you explain it to me. Whats an 
>ISO invariant camera? 

In the early days of digital it was standard practice to apply some
amplification to the signal from the sensor prior to analog-to-digital
conversion. This was how one increased the ISO setting. It's still
used in some sensors today but other sensors change ISO setting
strictly through software. These are said to be "ISO Invariant". (Most
Sony sensors are ISO Invariant and all the ones used in recent Pentax
cameras.

What this means is that if you set the camera to, say, ISO 800 and
have a scene that meters at 1/100 sec. at f/5.6 you can, using manual
exposure, turn the ISO setting down to ISO 100 while keeping the
shutter speed and aperture at 1/100 f/5.6 even though the meter will
tell you you're 3 stops underexposed. If you just compensate later in
Lightroom or Photoshop the results will be the same as you'd have if
you'd shot at ISO 800 in camera. (This assumes one is shooting raw
format, of course.)

>If Im to ETTR just enough to avoid clipping highlights, how much is 
>too much? I shoot RAW. Should I ignore the histogram?

Don't ignore the histogram! *Any* clipping represents image data
that's gone forever.

-- 
Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia
www.robertstech.com

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso : The Evil Sky


Yeah.. kinda why I didn't show it before

thanks for the w d
ann

On 1/26/2017 12:15 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

A dark mood to be sure. Well done.

Paul via phone


On Jan 25, 2017, at 11:31 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

taken the same evening as the Gaudy Sky that I showed you lot a couple of weeks 
ago

https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2016-and-all-that/i-PV5tG7C/XL

Hand-held  , not cropped ..
K-5, DA18-55 ISO 800

ann


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.



--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso : The Evil Sky


thanks, Dan

ann

On 1/26/2017 12:40 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Dramatic shapes and colors!


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:31 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:


taken the same evening as the Gaudy Sky that I showed you lot a couple of
weeks ago

https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2016-and-a
ll-that/i-PV5tG7C/XL

Hand-held  , not cropped ..
K-5, DA18-55 ISO 800

ann


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
follow the directions.




--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso : The Evil Sky



On 1/26/2017 12:18 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:

How apropos.

m

Yup




On Jan 25, 2017, at 8:31 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

taken the same evening as the Gaudy Sky that I showed you lot a couple of weeks 
ago

https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2016-and-all-that/i-PV5tG7C/XL

Hand-held  , not cropped ..
K-5, DA18-55 ISO 800

ann






--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

2017-01-26 Thread Eric Featherstone

On 26 January 2017 at 14:13, Eric Weir  wrote:
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>
>> If Eric wants to crop less, he can do either what you suggest and read
>> some serious texts on the matter, or he can simply practice something
>> like nifty-fifty for awhile, or both.
>
> What’s “nifty-fifty,” Boris. I have a sneaking suspicion I might find it 
> helpful.

A 50mm prime lens.

-- 
Eric

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping


> On Jan 25, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> 
> If Eric wants to crop less, he can do either what you suggest and read
> some serious texts on the matter, or he can simply practice something
> like nifty-fifty for awhile, or both.

What’s “nifty-fifty,” Boris. I have a sneaking suspicion I might find it 
helpful.

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net 

(I)t is important that awake people be awake... the darkness around us is deep.

- William Stafford


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:45 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I read Stan's comment as a bit of a toungue in cheek admonishment.

Thanks for your comments and suggestions, Ann. I didn’t take Stan’s remark as 
criticism or scolding, just as a jumping off place for my response. I am 
usually on the move—at a cross country meet or soccer game, hiking in the 
mountains, walking around town--when photographing and always have just one 
camera and one lens. I’ve experimented a little with a tripod in doing 
landscapes. I should do more. 

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"What does it mean...that the world is so beautiful?" 

- Mary Oliver 

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation


> On Jan 26, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> Pos

That shoulda been “Zos”. (And now I see that spell-check did it.)

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

“...we are a form of invitation to others and to otherness..."

- David Whyte


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping


> On Jan 24, 2017, at 4:18 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> Two Magnum photographers I really like, who shoot fantastically good, complex 
> compositions, are Harry Gruyaert and Alex Webb. There used to be a whole load 
> of stuff showing grids overlaid on their work, discussing the composition, 
> but it all seems to go to something called pinterest now, usual bullshit of 
> closing the web. But google their names with 'composition grid' and you might 
> find something helpful.
> ….
> This guy has some interesting ideas on his blog:
> http://erickimphotography.com/blog/2016/01/27/100-lessons-from-the-masters-of-street-photography/

Thanks for these references, Bob. I’ve bookmarked some web pages for Gruyaert 
and Webb. Just looking at a few images, I find Webb more appealing. But the 
little bit I read I’m pretty sure I can learn from Gruyaert, too. And I’ve 
downloaded the Kim book.

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

“Man has been a murderer forever.”

- Peter Matthiessen.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: KP will not be the APS-C flagman?

On 26/1/17, Igor PDML-StR, discombobulated, unleashed:

>The hat has spoken!

Amen!

-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

KP will not be the APS-C flagman?



I usually do not go into speculations about Pentax plans, but here, the 
situation seems to be rather logical. (But who said that Pentax is always 
logical?!)


It is very logical if KP is _not_ the flagman of the APS-C lineup.
Based on the specs and trends, it sounds like it would be a continuation 
of the "intermediate" line in Pentax APS-C family.
Clearly, its features (and somewhere specs, I believe, e.g. fps) are 
overall below those of K-3/K-3ii.


It would make sense from the marketing/sales point of view, and Pentax has 
done this before: First a lower model with some more advanced features, 
then the higher(-est) model with all those feature plus some.
It also gives them a chance to test and correct something in the flagman 
model based on the market response to this one.


Hence, I am putting my big furry hat [*] on and making this prediction (or 
rather a proclamation): Pentax/Ricoh must release yet another APS-C DSLR

in the near future to be the successor of K3ii.
The hat has spoken!


[*] That is unrelated to Cotty's seasoned hat. It is a reference to the 
LSSC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRMnJDgStTw


Igor

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:08 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> If you're in Program mode, the exposure compensation adjustment (the
> +/- button + the rear dial on the K-5) moves the exposure the desired
> number of stops up or down the program line; i.e. generally adjusts
> both shutter and aperture and leaves ISO alone.
> 
> If you're in aperture priority mode, it adjusts shutter speed, and
> vice versa. If you're in TAV mode, it adjusts the ISO.

I’m gonna cheat this time and use Rick’s response as a summary for what I’ve 
heard. Thanks, Rick. Very clear. Also to Peter, Cotty, Larry, Pos, and Ken.

There are things that were said, though, that I did not hear. That is, didn’t 
understand. And probably am not going to understand when you explain it to me. 
What’s an “ISO invariant” camera? If I’m to ETTR just enough to avoid clipping 
highlights, how much is too much? I shoot RAW. Should I ignore the histogram?

Actually, not sure I need to know the answer to any of these questions right 
now.

Thanks to all,
--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"Imagining the other is a powerful antidote to fanaticism and hatred." 

- Amos Oz

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation


> On Jan 24, 2017, at 1:07 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> I never bother thinking about ETTR at all, ever. I just adjust
> the exposure in post if I see fit.

I’m glad to hear this. 

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"Imagining the other is a powerful antidote to fanaticism and hatred." 

- Amos Oz


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Disgustingly large GESO