Re: PESO: Desert Roadrunner

[Dick Graham]

On Saturday, November 5, 2016, Daniel J. Matyola 
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Re: PDML Digest, Vol 18, Issue 236

[dick graham]

In the Pentax dpreview forum a commet was made that Pentax has pushed back 
new dslr intros to January '08.  Apparently Hoya wants to make sure that all 
is done right and everything is functioning the way it is supposed to.

DG 


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Pop Photo Takes a Swipe at Nikon

[dick graham]

Pop Photo's Mike McNamara takes a swing at Nikon (popphoto.com) for not 
making the Nikon D40 backwards compatible with older Nikkor lenses.  He 
finishes by saying:  But something doesn't feel right about a new DSLR 
that can't autofocus at any light level with a trusty Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D, 
or even the expensive, digital-only, Nikkor fisheye 10.5mm f/2.8G ED AF DX 
lens.  What were they thinking?

DG


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The Caveman!

[dick graham]

Listening to all this negativity reminds me of a few years gone by when 
tales from the cave were  getting everyone riled up. If I  recall 
correctly, about the time that Ed Mathews and Bill Castleberry were still 
participating on pdml, we had the original mr negativity, The 
Caveman.  Tales from the cave got more than a few people upset.  Does any 
remember this dude and did we ever figure out who it was?

DG


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k10d pop photo/ luminous landscape vs dpreview

[dick graham]

All of you who are disappointed in the k10d because of the dpreview report 
should check popphoto.com's report or reread the luminous landscape 
report.  Pop Photo has long complained about the soft jpeg image quality of 
the ist d series. They said that the k10d not only proves Pentax belongs in 
the big leagues, it's an all star player.  They went on to say that 
Overall image quality is excellent throughout the iso range.  Color 
accuracy is excellent.  Noise is exceptionally well controlled all the way 
through and resolution is excellent at all ISOs.  In fact there is less 
than a 5 percent drop off in resolution from ISO 100 (1925 lines) to ISO 
1600 ( 1845 ) and noise only climbs from very low  (1.15) to low (1.95) 
from lowest to highest ISO.

It's interesting to note the Luminous Landscape 2003 report on the ist d 
toward the bottom of the report. ...there has been discussion on some net 
forums about the cameras images being soft.  Nonsense. Pentax has wisely 
avoided over sharpening images in the camera.  When properly sharpened they 
leave nothing to be desired.  Once again beginners and the uninformed are 
confusing resolution with sharpening. 

The Luminous Landscape report on the k10d  said ...Image quality is on a 
par with virtually anything else on the market.

So the bottom line here is that Pentax has given us the camera we have been 
asking for for a very long time.

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Pop Photo K10D Test

[dick graham]

Take a look at popphoto.com, the k10d test is in and the claim that with 
this camera not only does Pentax become a serious player in the dslr field 
but it is an all star player.  Take a look.

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Sunpack 444D

[dick graham]

I have a Sunpack 444D flash that I used with my zx-5n.  Is it compatable 
with my ist ds?

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Steve's Digicam PR?

[dick . graham]

How come Steve's website is not showing the K10 PR that was shown on this
site?  No one else, including Pentax is either.

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Re: K100D SR

[dick graham]

I missed the source of the review, please repeat the name of the source of 
the KD 100 SR review.

DG



At 03:43 PM 6/18/2006, you wrote:
Thanks, Ken. Great report and good news about the SR. I too wish that
Pentax was not so conservative.

Pentax have been developing this system over so many years, way before
Minolta announced the CCD shift method, and even during the film camera
era.

Ken, do you mean than even when Pentax produced only film cameras, they
were nonetheless working on shake reduction for an eventual digital sensor?

Joe

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ist ds Settings

[dick graham]

Just getting familiar with the my new ds and 16-45 ed DA zoom.  Because I 
have a innate lazy side, I am wondering what in-camera settings( 
saturation, sharpness, contrast) ds owners have found to be the most 
satisfactory.  Do you stick with the default settings and do any 
adjustments post shooting?   I realize I should shoot some comparison 
exposures to compare, but this will give me some feed back that will be 
very helpful.


DG

Re: getting a DS

[dick graham]

I got mine a couple weeks ago from Tri State,  I noticed they were selling 
some on e-bay-buy now- so I went to their web site and there they were, 
about $40 usd cheaper.  I ordered and the DS was on my door step 3 working 
days later.


DG


At 03:29 PM 3/3/2006 +, you wrote:

 Hi guys,
 For my birthday my parents gave me (as well as a Manfrotto 190CL) a
 certificate to an *IstDS. Zaweee! (You should have seen my face when I
 opened that card.) So I have a few questions.
 1) Do you have any recommendations of places I should look? (There are
 some on e-bay but there doesn't seem to be that many big retailers
 listing it)

I think they are getting harder to find now.

 2) I can't stomach the idea of having an f3.5-5.6 lens as my only
 normal/wide, so do you know of a faster wide (20mm or so) that I could
 get for a similar price?
 3) How much memory will I need to store 100 or so RAWs?

I have 3 1 gig Kingston Cards and i beleive they hold 90 Raws. Oh wait. I 
have the D and

it uses CF
cards not SD cards.
Belay that order.

 4) given that I don't have a insurance plan that I could tack chattels
 on to, how could I (affordably) insure it against dropping it over board
 and other such human error?

Stay away from Tom Van Veen for one.g

 5) Is there anything else that I should know? :-)

Use lith's or good rechargable batteries.

 Thanks in advance for any forthcoming ramblings,
 Francis (is hyperventilating)

Re: Samsung announces GX-L1

[dick graham]

So what's with Samsung using Schneider lenses on this Pentax/Samsung 
combined effort?


DG



At 06:10 PM 2/23/2006 -0800, you wrote:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022403samsunggx1l.asp

Loos like another rebadged DS2 or DL2. It does say pentaprism, so that
would make it a DS2. Although the L in the name is suspicious, and
probably the report is mistaken.

j

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PMA

[dick graham]

Do we have anyone at PMA who can take clandestine photos of the new 
offerings, much as someone on this list did when the mz-s and it's short 
lived digital counterpart were introduced?


DG

DS White Balance

[dick graham]

I'm getting familiar with my newly arrived DS and tried out the white 
balance settings.  The problem is that no matter what setting I put the 
white balance on the result, review on LCD screen, all appear to have the 
same color cast.  I compared these results with my Canon A-70 compact 
digital and the results were much different.  When I set tungsten on the 
Canon the results are cooler, when I set cloudy they are much warmer, just 
as they are supposed to be.  What gives with the DS?  Now I admit I don't 
have my SD card yet, but that shouldn't make any difference.  Any help will 
be appreciated.


DG

SD card for DS

[dick graham]

I just received my DS and 16-45 DA lens.  Being new to DSLR I am wondering 
if there is a  difference in SD cards and which one all of you DS users 
recommend.


DG

PMA

[dick graham]

Will we have any of us at PMA who could report all the goodies back to 
those of us unfortunates who are not able to attend?


DG

Disappearing DS2s

[dick graham]

I've decided to buy my first dslr.  From my high school days till now I've 
used Pentax slr equipment and presently own a zx-5n and mx with assorted 
lenses.  In light of the news that Pentax will introduce new dslr models 
later this year I decided not to put out the $700 + usd for a ds2 and 
looked for a ds if I could find one in the $500 range.  I looked on e-bay 
and saw that TriState camera company had 2 on auction or immediate buy.  I 
then went to their website and found the ds model for about $40 less than 
they wanted on e-bay.  I placed the order on Tuesday and the camera arrived 
today. I ended up paying $550 for a brand new ds and am anxious to see what 
the new dslrs will be like this fall.


DG

Re:Pop Photo D Shoot-out

[dick graham]

The main gimmicky feature they found the Pentax lacking was 
RESOLUTION!  I find that pretty damn important.


DG



At 08:55 PM 2/11/2006 -0500, you wrote:

Jack Davis wrote on Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:48:55:


For those who may be curious, or even care, the March '06 issue of Pop
Photo has a performance comparison between Canon XT, Konica Minolta
Max. 5D, Nikon D50, Olympus Evolt E-500 and the Pentax *ist DS2.
While this listing is alphabetical, the order is a hint at the
article's results.  I'll skip the tedious details, but forward a
final comment in their
Bottom Line summary. Pentax needs a hot new rig (say, 8-10MP) in
its
lineup.


Well, I agree that Pentax could use a new 8-10MP body in their
lineup, but I found their analysis of the DS2 and its competitors
somewhat superficial.  They didn't seem to note the reasons so many
find it attractive - the excellent (for a DSLR) viewfinder, the light
but solid construction, and the excellent ergonomics.  Instead, they
seemed to zero in on some of the gimmicky features that it lacks.

These quickie comparos always seem to fall short of getting to the
heart of the matter.  I suspect that the rankings are driven more by
marketplace popularity and advertising revenues than anything
else...  They did have a favorable review of the DA14 in the same
issue, though.

Regards, Jim

Re: Pop Photo D Shoot-out

[dick graham]

The ist ds2 ranked dead last in resolution behind 2 8megs ( canon d350 and 
olympus 500) and 2 other 6 megs ( nikon d-50 and konica/minolta 5d?)


DG


At 10:42 AM 2/13/2006 -0500, you wrote:

dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The main gimmicky feature they found the Pentax lacking was
RESOLUTION!  I find that pretty damn important.

I didn't read the article but if the resolution difference they're
talking about is between 6 megapixels and 8 I'd classify it as 95%
gimmicky.


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Re: Pop Photo D Shoot-out

[dick graham]

Other publications have mentioned that although the ist ds delivers great 
quality raw images the camera's image processor is not passing on all the 
information and thus the jpegs turn up soft etc.  All of us have heard of 
the image processor problem and wonder if the new editions,supposedly 
coming later this year, will have this problem fixed.


DG


At 10:27 AM 2/13/2006 -0600, you wrote:
The ist ds2 ranked dead last in resolution behind 2 8megs ( canon d350 and 
olympus 500) and 2 other 6 megs ( nikon d-50 and konica/minolta 5d?)


DG


At 10:42 AM 2/13/2006 -0500, you wrote:

dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The main gimmicky feature they found the Pentax lacking was
RESOLUTION!  I find that pretty damn important.

I didn't read the article but if the resolution difference they're
talking about is between 6 megapixels and 8 I'd classify it as 95%
gimmicky.


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New High End DSLR Speculation

[dick graham]

Let the speculation start now.  This site thrives on second guessing 
upcoming Pentax products.  It seems very likely that it will be an 8 meg 
camera with image stabilization, seeing that the new point  shoot A-10 
offers these specs.  It will have a Samsung sensor and, hopefully, a much 
improved image processor.  Like quite a few new Pentax production 
introductions in the past this one will appear to have some break through 
technologies but then will fall short.  It will end up shy of cutting edge 
products that C   N put out but will be a solid update camera aimed 
squarely at previous and current Pentax owners.


DG

Re: New High End DSLR Speculation

[dick graham]

At 03:03 PM 2/9/2006 -0600, you wrote:


- Original Message - From: dick graham
Subject: New High End DSLR Speculation




   Or lack thereof.

DG


Let the speculation start now.  This site thrives on second guessing 
upcoming Pentax products.


Now we also thrive on second guessing Pentax's business practices and ethics.

William Robb

DA 16-45 lens

[dick graham]

How good is the DA 16-45 lens?  Is it worth the extra $ purchasing this 
over the 18-55 or would the FA 24-90 be a better choice?


DG

ist DS2

[dick graham]

Both Adorama and B H have the DS 2 in stock.

DG

Re: No istDS2 in some stores

[dick graham]

As I said in another post, the DS2 is, and has been, in stock at BH Photo 
and Adorama.


DG



At 07:59 AM 2/7/2006 -0800, you wrote:

Aaron wrote:

I think part of it is the DL2 -- I really don't know how they compare, but
the
DL2 is 'newer'.

I saw one press release that said the DS2 was back by popular demand --
meaning it's already been off the market once.  I don't know what the sales
numbers are like, but I'm sure there's no dedicated, full-time DS2
production
line.  My bet would be that they make a pile, sell them, make another pile,
sell them, make a pile of something else for a while, then make some more
DS2s.
 A camera's popularity or lack thereof is a really tricky thing to judge.

==

Well, none of that relieves my frustration.  Being on a tight budget right
now, it would be difficult to buy the camera elsewhere and pay more.


Shel

Outdoor Photography

[dick graham]

The UK mag, Outdoor Photography, has a feature that recommends outdoor 
photo op locations around the UK along with sample pics from the 
areas.  They give a map segment and then name the routes to the sites, give 
subject recommendations, best time of year and day to shoot, and good 
places to stay.  All of that is not unusual, but the real deal maker here 
is that they also list the nearest local pubs!Now that is outstanding!


DG

Pentax/Samsung

[dick graham]

According to dpreview.com the intro of the DL 2 only in Asia and Canada 
may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax 
branded in some markets and Samsung in others (namely Europe and the 
US).  I'm screwy enough that I want my Pentax to say Pentax on it and not 
Samsung, even if it's carrying a lot of Samsung technology inside.  If this 
turns out to be the case I'm assuming I will purchase through Canada, so I 
need a name of a good Canadian style BH or Adorama.  Some of you good 
Candadian members help me out here, please.


DG

Konica-Minolta

[dick graham]

Just read on Yahoo news that Konica-Minolta is shutting down production of 
all cameras by 2007. They said this was being done because in todays 
digital camera market it became too difficult to timely provide competitive 
products.  This will slash 3700 jobs which amounts to 11% of their work 
force.  Their high end digital cameras will be sold off to Sony.  They will 
also quit making film by 2007.  I hope this is not a sign of the direction 
our beloved Pentax will be forced to take!


DG

Konica-Minolta

[dick graham]

Because Konica Minolta started working with Sony last year to develop SLR's 
it makes me nervous that Pentax, which has a similar working agreement with 
Samsung, will follow suit and drop their point and shoot digitals and sell 
the DSLR end out to Samsung.  After all Pentax had the about the same 
financial loss last year that Konica-Minolta did.


DG

International Electronics Show

[dick graham]

While we are looking forward to Photokina on 1/10 and PMA later in 
February, pay attention this weekend to the International Electronics Show 
in  Las Vega. While most of the attention in that show will focus on new 
electronic media products there will be new cameras introduced.  It would 
be interesting to be around the Samsung booth to see if the new 
Pentax/Samsung DSLR will be hinted at.


DG

Photokina!

[dick graham]

With Photokina and PMA coming up Jan 10 and Feb 26 is it a good idea to 
wait on purchasing the ist ds2 until the shows to see what Pentax has up 
its sleeve?  Any ideas as to what our favorite camera company might 
introduce?


DG

Re: Photokina!

[dick graham]

I brought the subject of new dslr intro's up because of the very recent 
dslr partnership between Pentax and Samsung.  I am wondering if Photokina 
and PMA come too soon to see any results from the collaboration.


DG



At 10:31 AM 12/20/2005 -0500, you wrote:

dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

With Photokina and PMA coming up Jan 10 and Feb 26 is it a good idea to
wait on purchasing the ist ds2 until the shows to see what Pentax has up
its sleeve?  Any ideas as to what our favorite camera company might
introduce?

Methinks Pentax will have something *really* cool to show at PMA in Feb
but it probably won't be available until summer. I expect it'll be
priced to be a replacement for the ist-D rather than the DS2 (over $1000
US, in other words) so if you're looking at a DS2 I'd buy it now.


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Re: B+H

[dick graham]

I ordered 2 Optio 60s for our kids last Friday, they arrived this 
Tuesday.  Very nice service.  I've never had a problem with BH.


DG



At 07:44 PM 12/15/2005 +0100, you wrote:
Anyone knows how quick B+H are to ship the orders? My order has been under 
processing for three days now. The item is still listed as in stock 
and my card has been charged

I had hoped to get the scanner til christmas


Pål

Re: Optio60/S6

[dick graham]

The S6 is a $300.00 camera, the 60 is an economical ($199.00) 6 meg unit.

DG



At 02:27 PM 10/4/2005 -0400, you wrote:

Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've seen two names for the same camera.
 The Pentax web site calls it the S6.
 But @ WalMart it's the 60.
 (And the local camera store aren't likely
 to sell it until the S45 units have sold.)

 Collin
 KC8TKA

Colin, am I reading this right, and you're in 8-land? Ohio?
And now they have passed KA, KB and are issuing KC's?
Wow!

keith whaley

Given the TKA was from two years ago, C was entered probably 4 or 5
years ago.

Col (L) in
:)

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Scanning Printing

[dick graham]

I have a batch of slides that need scanning and printing.  Does anyone have 
a recommendation for a lab or scanning and that does a good job and is a 
pretty good value?


DG

Re: Pentax at COSTCO

[Dick Graham]

I sent the original post, but since then have found that while Target and 
Wallmart do not offer Pentax film or digital cameras in store in my region, 
they do offer them on their web site.  Best Buy does not offer Pentax 
cameras anymore either in store or on their website.

DG

At 08:38 AM 10/26/04, you wrote:
Some time ago there was a post here that major discount stores, including 
Costco, no longer carry Pentax cameras.  I replied that our local store 
was still carrying them as of a few weeks back.

I was at Costco yesterday, and decided to check up on the cameras 
again.  Among about a dozen offerings were the Optio S40 and the MZ-60.
So, Pentax is still out there with the mass market stores, if not as 
heavily as we would like.

Kodak Ultra Color Film

[Dick Graham]

I'm going to try this again.  I have purchased a couple of rolls of Kodak's 
Professional Ultra Color Print film  and am wondering if anyone has tried 
it and what labs do a good job of processing and printing it.  Also what 
labs do a good job of slide  and neg scanning and enlargement printing?  I 
have info on The Slide Printer out of Denver and AI Photographic Labs of 
California plus Holland Photo Services in Austin Texas.  I'm just looking 
for the best bang for my buck as I don't have the capability to scan and 
print myself.

DG

Fwd: 3mp Print Quality

[Dick Graham]

Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:49:06 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Dick Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 3mp Print Quality
Although I continue to use my ZX-5n, my brother gave me a Canon Power Shot 
A-70 digital camera. I use it mostly for candid snaps and portraits. It 
has 3.2mp.  I have had 8x10 and 11x14 prints made from this camera and the 
results have been good to very good.  I have the camera set to very fine 
compression and the largest resolution (that gives me 2048x1536 
pixels.)  and shoot at 50 or 100 ISO.  My brother, who shoots high end 
Canon DSLR's, tells me I can enlarge 1 step above the 11x14s and still get 
good prints with the A-70.  I'm surprised that people with 3 mp digital 
cameras are not able to get quality prints above 4x6.  By the way I don't 
have the capability to do my own tweaking (Photo-Shop) and printing.  I 
just take my CF cards to a local mini lab for the enlargements and the 
results have been fine.
  By the way I have found that the mini lab 4x6s from my ZX-5n come back 
with much better color and contrast than the A-70 digital mini lab prints 
even with the A-70 set for vivid color.

DG

3mp Print Quality

[Dick Graham]

Although I continue to use my ZX-5n, my brother gave me a Canon Power Shot 
A-70 digital camera. I use it mostly for candid snaps and portraits. It has 
3.2mp.  I have had 8x10 and 11x14 prints made from this camera and the 
results have been good to very good.  I have the camera set to very fine 
compression and the largest resolution (that gives me 2048x1536 
pixels.)  and shoot at 50 or 100 ISO.  My brother, who shoots high end 
Canon DSLR's, tells me I can enlarge 1 step above the 11x14s and still get 
good prints with the A-70.  I'm surprised that people with 3 mp digital 
cameras are not able to get quality prints above 4x6.  By the way I don't 
have the capability to do my own tweaking (Photo-Shop) and printing.  I 
just take my CF cards to a local mini lab for the enlargements and the 
results have been fine.
  By the way I have found that the mini lab 4x6s from my ZX-5n come back 
with much better color and contrast than the A-70 digital mini lab prints 
even with the A-70 set for vivid color.

DG

Processing and Scanning?

[Dick Graham]

Because I have been out of the loop for a while, I am wondering if some of 
you can give me a tip on which lab does a good job of processing Kodak's 
new Ultracolor  color neg print film  and what recommendations you can 
give me for a lab that does a good job of scanning and printing archived 
slides and negs.  I have used Holland Photo out of Austin Texas and have 
info on Chromacolor of San Diego, The Slide Printer, a lab in Denver, and 
AI Photographic Labs of Southern California.  I'm looking for the best 
bang for my buck.

DG

Marketing

[Dick Graham]

As little as a year ago one could go into any discount electronic store and 
purchase a Pentax 35mm compact or digital camera.  Today, at least in the 
upper mid-west, there are no such Pentax cameras to be found.  You cannot 
find a Pentax camera of any kind in Best Buy, Sams, Walmart or Target in my 
region. Canon, Nikon, Konica/Minolta, Olympus, Fuji etc film and digital 
cameras are stocked in these stores, but not our favorite brand.  I would 
assume that quite a few people purchase their compact film and digital 
cameras in stores such as these.  To find that Pentax is fast becoming a 
non-player in these retail outlets has to be concerning.  Along with that, 
I haven't seen a Pentax aid on TV or in print in well over a year, maybe 
longer.  What in the world is USA Pentax doing to promote and sell the 
brand?  I also noted that on the new USA Pentax website that the MZ-S is no 
longer offered. Three film slr's were listed, the ist, ZX-m, and 
XZ-60.  It's a shame that the MZ-S couldn't be made availabe for a little 
longer.

DG

Kodak High-Definition Color Print Film

[dick graham]

I seem to recall that someone on this list said that Kodak's new High 
Definition  color print film (ISO 400) is re badged Royal Gold 400.  Am I 
correct in assuming this or is it a new emulsion?

DG

ist-D Release Date

[dick graham]

Okay folks, enough of the news from the Cave.  I just got off the phone 
with Pentax USA and was informed that the release date for the ist D will 
be in 1 to 1 1/2 months.  That puts it out to us by mid August -early 
September.  He also told me the street price would be $1600 USD here in the US.

DG

Re: ist-D Release Date

[dick graham]

Which means they are on schedule.

DG



At 04:58 PM 7/16/03 -0400, you wrote:
dick graham wrote:

I just got off the phone with Pentax USA and was informed that the 
release date for the ist D will be in 1 to 1 1/2 months.
Old news. They said exactly that several months ago. ;-)

cheers,
caveman

Re: PZ-1p info?

[dick graham]

Go to www.popphoto.com and look under their camera test archive.  I think 
the PZ-1p was tested.

DG



At 10:30 AM 6/19/03 -0400, you wrote:
I finally decided to order a PZ-1p from KEH to either replace or 
complement the PZ-1 I've been using for a while.

I know most of the differences and I'll download the manual, but I also 
wanted to seek out some other sources of information to start learning the 
differences between the cameras.

Does anyone know off-hand the date of the full Popular Photography 
hands-on review of the PZ-1p? I generally like their descriptive reviews, 
and in this case it would probably work well as they would be comparing it 
to the PZ-1 as the updated model. Also, any other sites or articles on the 
PZ-1p that would be useful?

Also, I'll likely be selling the beautiful, like-new condition SFX I 
bought from Carlos Royo early this year to partially fund this purchase. I 
can offer it for sale with a selection of a lens or two, grip strap, and a 
few other accessories. I'll post a full description in a few days, but if 
you're interested, let me know.

Joe
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Staff Writer
Media  Technology Services
1150 Comstock Hall
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Re: It's started!

[dick graham]

This is a very intense, emotional time for most of us, no matter which side 
of this conflict we fall on.  Let's keep the war out of our threads and 
stick to the main subject that finds all of us inside this family.  That 
would be photography and in particular, Pentax photography.

DG



At 08:19 PM 3/21/03 +0200, you wrote:
piss off
- Original Message -
From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 8:06 PM
Subject: It's started!
 Anyone with access to CNN, go there now.  Baghdad is getting creamed.

 Bill

Re: No respect (again...)

[dick graham]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  In my eyes, the ist D is not ugly at 
all. Innovative design?  Maybe not, but still good looking with a finish 
that reminds me of the MZ-S with its leather like grip and black spackled 
top plate parts.  We still have to wait for performance reports to pass 
judgement.

DG



At 08:43 PM 3/7/03 +0100, you wrote:
Peter wrote:

 Pål this is a very strange arguement. So you mean to
 tell me that you'd be happier of Pentax released a
 special, sexy' incompetent camera?
Pentax recently marketed stylish camera with old technology. Now they 
market ugly or derivative cameras with new technology. I think it is a 
good idea to marry the two but not in form of ugly cameras with old technology.

Pål

Pal Kidnapped?

[dick graham]

Okay, who kidnapped Pal?  His threads on the ist D are completely un Pal 
like, trashing the ist D to the point where either BR sent a special ops 
team in to take Pal out or, and I shudder to consider this, the infamous 
Who has returned and pirated Pal away and replaced him with 
himself.  Please return him so we can back on the Pal glass is half full 
Pentax band wagon!

DG

ist D marketing

[dick graham]

The ist D looks like what each of us thinks it looks like.  I think the 
left side of the camera, as you face it, looks like a PZ.  The right side 
looks like the ist 35 mm film version.  From a manufacturing and 
marketing standpoint this makes some economic sense.  Because the digital 
state of the art is so fluid wouldn't it make sense for Pentax to dip into 
already available parts bins to help keep costs down, knowing that model 
upgrades are going to come fast and furious.

DG

Re: More Pentax news/rumors

[dick graham]

Bruce, don't you know?  Scandinavia is Pentax's select focus 
group.  Besides, my wife, 100% Scandinavian heritage, says the most 
beautiful women in the world are Scandinavian!  Now what in the h_ll that 
has to do with anything I don't know.

DG



At 11:13 AM 2/21/03 -0500, you wrote:
What is it about Scandinavia that makes it the hotbed of Pentax news? And 
their attraction to Pentax?

BR

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Today I talked with a guy who had held both the *ist and it's digital
prototype in his hands. I´m confident he knew what he was talking about. I
didn´t as very specific things so as Pål says, disclaimers apply :)

1. Yes, the DSLR *ist is coming. It will probably be introduced at PMA
or Cebit. I got the impression that the DSRL basicly looks like an *ist 
with a BG-20 on it. 6 megapixels, APS sized sensor, aggressive pricing, 
released sometime in the summer.

2. He told me that both cameras (DSLR and *ist) are fully compatible with
K/M -lenses. For me, seeing is believing...

3. FAJ 18-35mm along with the DSLR. Don´t know the aperature range.
Wasn´t this lens rumored a year ago or so (well not the FAJ version)?

4. A new limited lens next fall. Don´t know anything else, but I´m pretty 
sure it ain´t a FAJ :)

If all this information is valid then this FAJ thing is getting
interesting...

 -Matti Eteläperä

Re: ranking of *ist in Pentax line-up

[dick graham]

The *ist appears to be the MZ-L/MZ-6 upgrade.

DG



At 08:20 AM 2/20/03 -0500, you wrote:

I don't think that it's very valid to compare probable sales numbers for a 
SLR to a PS digital, because of the nature of the market. The digitals 
are a way hotter item.

BR

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Pentax did not have very high expectation for the *ist though, the initial
production was set at 10,000 units per month; same as MZ-L.
By comparison, initial production for Optio S was 60,000, and Optio 550
was 20,000.

Re: The FLAGSHIP

[dick graham]

  The EOS 1V and F-5 are not currently impressing anybody, with the 
exception of National Geo photogs who continue to shoot tons of slide film 
and National Geo's weapons of choice?  EOS 1V and the F-5!

DG



At 09:19 AM 2/20/03 -0600, you wrote:
 Because for the cost of developing and tooling up for a very expensive
 camera you want to sell it to beyond your current user base, i.e., get
 people to switch brands. A flagship camera has an advertising role
 beyond that of only a picture taking machine.

 Oh, okay. Well, I buy that. I've seen it happen.

 Sometimes I suspect it's the *main* reason for a flagship camera.


Perhaps. The problem right now is that the flagship effect has very
definitely switched over to the digital realm. Sales of top film SLRs are
way down. Film SLRs are old hat and yesterday's news, and are unlikely to
have the effects Bruce is talking about. I do buy his points about the
reasons for a flagship; I just think that the EOS 1Ds is Canon's flagship
right now and the Nikon 1Dx is Nikon's. The EOS-1V and F5 are not currently
impressing anybody.

--Mike

*ist-Exposure Memory Lock?

[dick graham]

In reading the spec list on the *ist ( what idiot within the bowels of 
Pentax came up with that horrible name?) I did not see if this camera has 
exposure memory lock.  Does anyone know if it has that capability?  By the 
way the info on this and the other new digital cameras is know on the 
Pentax USA website in the newssection.

DG

Re: The *ist: good name or bad?

[dick graham]

I still think they could come up with something much better than 
*ist.  By the way, giving this camera a cutesy name rather than a 
letter/number ID is a sure sign that this is an entry to mid level unit.  I 
can't think of any manufacturer that hasn't given an upper level camera a 
letter/number name.

DG


At 10:53 AM 2/19/03 -0600, you wrote:
 the *ist ( what idiot within the bowels of
 Pentax came up with that horrible name?)


Oh, I don't know, I kind of like it. It's distinctive. It's a lot better
than yet one more anonymous alphanumeric mishmash, like DF-20K or 5XL-P.
Personally, I've been in the photo industry for years and I've written
camera reviews for a living, yet I still get all the anonymous names of
cheap SLRs mixed up--especially when the same camera has different names is
the U.S. and the rest of the world. At least with the *ist all of us know
exactly what we're talking about. And I wonder if we'd be talking about it
quite so much if it had a more anonymous name.

Another thing I hate is when a camera with a plain and distinctive name does
so well that the company begins applying some variation of the name to a
whole bunch of other cameras. The name Stylus, for instance, long ago lost
all meaning, at least in my mind.

--Mike

New Products at PMA

[dick graham]

In an effort to determine if Pentax will be debuting any high level 
equipment at PMA, I looked back in the Pentax news archives and found that 
the MZ-S, 24-90mm lens and the pro dslr prototype were all announced on Feb 
10, 2001.  This was only 1 day prior to the first day of PMA, which was 
held Feb 11-14 that year.  This may give us hope that something in a dslr 
or flagship will be introduced this year at PMA except that both the MZ-S 
and prototype dslr were previewed at Photokina the preceeding fall.

DG

Re: The *ist: good name or bad?

[dick graham]

  Your right, Mike, it is growing on me,  in reverse!  I dislike it even 
more this afternoon than I did this morning!

DG



  02:29 PM 2/19/03 -0600, you wrote:
 I agree. The japanese are usually expert in those anonymous letter + number
 names. I really hate those Canon F-1, AE-1, AT-1 and A-1 names. Why not 
remove
 the number 1 when there never was a No.2? Also, MZ-5, 7, 60, 30 etc. Awful
 stuff.
 Toyota even manages to name cars IS2000 or GS300; it sounds like hoovers.
 I wonder if the spotmatic had been sound a classic if it was named MD-23?


Pål,
The really annoying thing about the anonymous alphanumeric names is that
they don't use them to adequately distinguish the models. I mean, the whole
point of calling something the 13 is that you call the next one the 14.
However, as often as not, camera manufacturers manage to make things
confusing rather than clear. Different cameras are called by the same name
(Canon F-1, Canon new F-1), or the same camera is called by different names
(Maxxum, Dynax), or the same camera changes significantly throughout its
production lifespan with no way to tell (K1000), or manufacturers leave it
up to consumers to distinguish between successive models (35mm
Summicron-M--four versions before the official name changed), or different
manufacturers use nearly the same name for competing products (Nikon D1,
Canon 1D).

At the very least, the letters should stand for something (EOS =
Electro-Optical System, RTS = Real Time System) and the numbers ought to
distinguish between models in a lineup and subsequent models over time. But
frankly, I like it when they throw all that crap out the window and go ahead
and give something a name. *ist is strange, but maybe it'll grow on us.

--Mike

Re: My photos

[dick graham]

Nice stuff Bruce.

DG



At 04:24 PM 1/20/03 -0500, you wrote:

I tried doing a small photo web site here: 
http://home.att.net/~b_rubenstein/Israel/Israel_p/album1.html
All photographs were taken with Pentax gear (lenses and bodies)

BR

Re: Comparison

[dick graham]

Sigma makes another version of the 70-300 AF lens, I forget the letter 
designation, that tested much better in Pop Photo than the DL version did.

DG



At 10:55 PM 1/15/03 -0600, you wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:44:10 -0600, Ed Matthew wrote:

My experience with the Sigma 75-300 DL do not support your 'extremely soft'
judgement.

Are we talking the same lens? I said the 70-300 DL AF lens. Does Sigma 
make a 75-300 AF?




Later,
Gary

Re: OT: American Beer/Leinenkugel's

[dick graham]

Unfortunately Leine's is now owned by Miller Brewing Co,  altlhough the 
Leinenkugel Co continues to brew their beer.  I particularly like their 
Northwoods Lager and Creamy Dark.  My wife likes the Honeyweiss.

DG



At 07:10 PM 12/19/02 -0500, you wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 If you're ever anywhere north of Milwaukee, try Leinenkugel's. It's a local
  microbrewery that's recently expanded dramaticallyand gone nearly
  state-wide! I remember when you had to start in Milwaukee and drive north
  for hours before you could buy any. Those were the days.

Old but true story.

In the 70's, I lived in Wisconsin.  Phillip Morris acquired a major brewer,
the Schlitz Beer Company from the family that owned it in Milwaukee.  At a
professional meeting one evening, I spent time talking to a Phillip Morris
consultant visiting with Schlitz.  He outlined Phillip Morris's strategy for
me.  They were bound and determined to drive all of the small breweries out
of the business.  In ten years, there will only be 4 or 5 beers sold in the
USA.  I subsequently watched Miller (Phillip Morris) and Budwieser (Anheuser
Busch) battle it out for control of the USA.  They forced all the smaller,
local breweries off the store shelves and out of the bars.  They put them out
of business.

Then 15 years later, the wheel turned full circle.  We went to a surprise
birthday party in Milwaukee.  A former brewery employee had opened a craft
brewery and bottling line for a new beer.  Since then, the craft brewers are
back big time!

Regards,  Bob S.

Re: Hypothetical Question

[dick graham]

Too bad because your missing out on using a very nice camera.  I have a 
ZX-5n, and while it is a polycarbonate body, it has a very nice feel too it 
and has great simple features that fall easily to hand.  This camera has 
produced time after time for me over the past 3 years.  It's not a 
coincidence that it has won camera of the year awards after it's 
introduction some 6-7 years ago.

DG



At 04:11 PM 12/17/02 -0600, you wrote:

- Original Message -
From: Mike Johnston
Subject: Hypothetical Question


 So let me ask a hypothetical question here. Asked of everyone.
IF you have
 to choose between EITHER the older, metal bodied, manual focus
Pentax family
 (Spotmatics, M series, A series, up to LX) ***OR*** the
 polycarbonate-bodied, AF Pentax family (P series, ZX series,
up to
 MZ-S)--and you couldn't mix and match and you couldn't use
both--which would
 it be?

For me, the question isn't hypothetical.
We have an MZ-5 in the house. I have used it once, and found I
didn't like the cheapness of it.

William Robb

Re: Best photography websites

[dick graham]

www.naturephotographers.net and www.photocritique.net are both excellent sites!

DG



At 10:30 AM 12/11/02 -0800, you wrote:


When you say photography websites are you thinking just in terms of sites
that discuss technique, or sites that include member galleries, or sites
that go into great detail on equipment?

I think there are almost too many to catalog. Photo.net is one of my
favorites, mostly because technical information is included in the
galleries. There are a lot of on-line galleries that don't include that.
Photo.net's discussion groups can get a little aloof, especially when
equipment is involved. Pentax is generally not well regarded there with
respect to  manufacturers.

I ran across http://www.fredmiranda.com/ which has galleries aligned to
monthly assignments, similar to PUG except there isn't the limitation on
equipment and there's a bit more structure to the assignment. Take it for
what you will. I'm sure there are other sites out there with similar
purpose.

Another favorite is http://www.abandoned-places.com/, but I haven't
visited in awhile. Definitely for those interested in industrial grunge
photography.

I'll have to check out naturepix when I get a chance...

t

On 12/10/02 8:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Oops forgot to start it off. I like to go to

 http://www.naturepix.com/

 just to check out the galleries once in a while
 Vic

OT: Slide Storage

[dick graham]

I have slides that need proper storage.  Presently they are in their 
original boxes, numbered and titled.  I have two rolls of slides in plastic 
sleeves.  The processor sent them that way.  Over time I think the slides 
in the processor plastic sleeves have acquired some scratches from removing 
them and putting them back.  I would like to find a plastic sleeve storage 
system that doesn't result in scratched film from the lip of the 
sleeves.  Any recommendations?

DG

Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p (Pentax's fabuluous new camera)

[dick graham]

The Pentax UK statement indicated that most of the cuts in the 35mm camera 
line were going to come in the compact camera area.  This only makes sense 
as they have several different compact 35's that overlap each other.

DG



At 11:22 PM 10/31/02 +0100, you wrote:
Henry wrote:

 I don't believe Pentax is going to completely re-new their SLR camera
 line-up in a sudden with three new camera.  They haven't done anything
 dramatic in the past 10 years when the SLR market then was growing.  There
 is no reason to expect they will do it now or in the future, especially 
they
 are saying that they think the market is shrinking.  Doing so will be a
 commercial suicide.  According to the original Japanese news report, 
Pentax
 was quoted as saying to cut their current line-up of 6 cameras down to 3
 cameras.  They have not said they are going to replace them with 3 new
 cameras.


I'm not convinced. All MZ-series cameras are essentially the same camera 
with different labels. Pentax is just trying to milk the last drop off 
this chassis. In my opinion, the current MZ-series isn't really that 
competitive. What Pentax did say in they press message was that they 
intended to reduce the number in the line-up in order to increase the 
sales of each model. I can't see how this could happen with the MZ-6 and 
the MZ-60 as the volume models in the line-up.
We have lots of conflicting messages. The fact is that Pentax near future 
line-up will consist of three film slr models (i have gooten this 
confirmed by safe sources). If the MZ-60 and the MZ-6 are two of those 
then the MZ-5n and MZ-3 must be discontinued without replacement or the 
MZ-S needs to be discontinued. However,Chris Brogden claim Pentax will 
replace the MZ-5n next year with a compeltely new and very different 
model. If this is true, either the MZ-S or the MZ-6 has to go if the MZ-60 
stays. At the same time, Pentax UK claim all future Pentax slr's will be 
built on the same chassis: if this is to be believed there are three 
posibilities; 1) the MZ- chassis, 2) MZ-S chassis, 3) A cmpletely new 
chassis. Only the latter is likely (and what Pentax UK says) in my opinion 
as the MZ- chassis is not suited for anything higher end or digital.
I don't agree that it is unlikely that Pentax will release a completely 
new series of cameras. Thats the way Pentax model policy has always 
worked. The Z-series was released 10 years ago; the MZ-series 7 years ago. 
It is time for a new generation of cameras. We know that Pentax is working 
on modification of the lens mount. We also know that all Pentax new lens 
mounts have been accompanied with new series of cameras.
In all this, I put my faith in Pentax UK statements. Not because they have 
to be true but because it is the best we have at present.

Pål

Re: New Pentax SLR platform

[dick graham]

Today you responded to a list member saying that it appears that the new 
bodies seem to be aiming toward a mid level chassis.  Yesterday, in 
responding to Shaun's question about not hearing anything about the film 
flagship, you said:   Yes we have.  Pentax UK say they will make 3 slr's 
and I happen to know which segments they fit.  One of them is high-end.  I 
don't know how high-end.  Also, large camera stores in Japan have been told 
from Pentax reps that Pentax will release a fabulous film slr. Your 
comments yesterday seem to point toward an upper end slr body.  Today your 
comments seem to indicate a mid-level approach to match the dslr level that 
at about $1500 USD would indicate a mid-level price.

DG



At 07:10 PM 11/1/02 +0100, you wrote:
Dick wrote:

 Pal, that kind of flies in the face of your report yesterday that said one
 of the 3 is a high end model and that large camera stores in Japan have
 been told from Pentax reps that Pentax will release a fabulous film slr.


Sorry, I lost you on this one. What do you mean?

Pål

Re: New Pentax SLR platform

[dick graham]

Pal, thanks.  I think my thick head understands know.

DG


At 09:05 PM 11/1/02 +0100, you wrote:

Dick wrote:

 Today you responded to a list member saying that it appears that the new
 bodies seem to be aiming toward a mid level chassis.

I didn't. I said A (not three) new body built on a new chassis is most 
likely targeted for the mid level (But I don't know this for a fact).


Yesterday, in
 responding to Shaun's question about not hearing anything about the film
 flagship, you said:   Yes we have.  Pentax UK say they will make 3 slr's
 and I happen to know which segments they fit.  One of them is high-end.  I
 don't know how high-end.  Also, large camera stores in Japan have been 
told
 from Pentax reps that Pentax will release a fabulous film slr. Your
 comments yesterday seem to point toward an upper end slr body.  Today your
 comments seem to indicate a mid-level approach to match the dslr level 
that
 at about $1500 USD would indicate a mid-level price.

There are three film bodies on this chassis according to Pentax UK. 
Obviously one is in the middle with the two others above and below it. One 
of the bodies has been shown under the table. This body form the basis for 
the digital slr.

Pål

Re: New Kodak print film

[dick graham]

The latest issue of Pop Photo has a little discription of the new Portra 
400UC.  In it Kodak claims that while it has increased color saturation 
over VC skin tones remain true.

DG



At 12:30 PM 10/30/02 -0500, you wrote:
Kodak has a new print film, Portra 400UC (ultra-color):

http://www.kodak.com/cgi-bin/webCatalog.pl?product=KODAK+PROFESSIONAL+
PORTRA+400UC+Filmcc=USlc=en

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/portra/port
raIndex.jhtml

Curious that they didn't come out with a 160 or 100 UC. I wouldn't
mind seeing a Portra 100BW.

I wonder what happened to the new Fuji slide film? My lab guy was
actually testing it a few months back.

tv

Re: ZX-5n plus Sunpak 444D

[dick graham]

I have not used it on anything wider than a 28-70mm lens and rarely at the 
28mm setting.

DG



At 05:21 PM 10/25/02 -0700, you wrote:
Hey gang-

Hope this gets through... a whiles back, there was a
discussion of flashes that could be used on the ZX-5n.
One of the William's and Dick Graham both suggested
the Sunpak 444D.

My question now is has anyone used it w/ a wide angle
lens, say a 20-35 zoom, and what were the results,
especially between 20-28mm?

Thanks and have a good weekend,
Pat in SF

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Re: Prints from slides questions

[dick graham]

Ritz Camera Stores uses the Fuji Frontier system to make quick prints from 
slides. I have found that the results are quite good.  There is some loss 
of detail and color saturation, but all in all quite acceptable.  By the 
way I've only had 4X6 prints made there and they charge $1.00 per print.

DG





At 11:42 AM 10/27/02 -0500, you wrote:
At 08:20 AM 27/10/2002 -0500, you wrote:

I've been shooting a lot of slides lately and took a few to a local digital
print place for some quick enlargements. I didn't expect them to measure up
to a custom print but I didn't expect them to be trash either. I thought I'd
get something usable from a commercial lab but they were awful. No contrast,
colors were off, highlights were washed out. Just terrible.


My experience too. I took a 67 velvia slide in to Blacks to get an 
enlargement made. I'd tried scanning the slide on my HP flatbed without 
much success (unmounted, I couldn't keep it flat enough).
Terrible print.
I've now taken it somewhere else to see if the results are any better.
(of course it could just be that my slide's rubbish!)


Wendy Beard,
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.beard-redfern.com

Re[2]: Paal Comes Through Again

[dick graham]

With all due respect to you, Bob, it appears that this particular duck 
caught some of Paal's lead.  By the way, is your middle name Bruce or The 
Who ?

DG



At 11:23 PM 10/16/02 +0100, you wrote:
Hi,

well, with all due respect to Paal, his predictions are rather like
horoscope. There's an awful lot of them, usually couched in vague and
ambiguous terms, and 99.999% of the time they're wrong. People only
remember when they're right because it happens so rarely and because,
like that character in the 'X Files', they want to believe.

If you fire enough buckshot one piece might hit a duck from time to
time, but that doesn't make you a marksman.

---

 Bob

Wednesday, October 16, 2002, 9:56:10 PM, you wrote:

 I know it's still premature, but Paal is normally pretty accurate 
(remember
 his pre MZ-S predictions). And the Japanese news item is zeroing in even
 closer.

Re[3]: Paal Comes Through Again

[dick graham]

Bob, my sincere apologies if you took this the wrong way.  Absolutely not 
intended as an insult, just a light hearted joke.  Please don't take it 
seriously.

DG


At 08:21 PM 10/17/02 +0100, you wrote:
Hi,

Thursday, October 17, 2002, 3:38:39 PM, you wrote:

 With all due respect to you, Bob, it appears that this particular duck
 caught some of Paal's lead.  By the way, is your middle name Bruce or The
 Who ?

we all have the right to be as skeptical or as credulous as we please,
and to make our opinions known, but we don't have the right to make
unprovoked ad hominem remarks. We've just been through an example of
what often happens when people do make such remarks.

I've been on this list for some time now, and I was on it while The
Who was active. I fail to see how you can make such a comparison based
on a couple of skeptical postings about yet another rumour about an
unannounced camera. Since you don't have a sound basis for the comparison
I can only take the comparison with The Who as an unprovoked insult, which
drops you right down to the bottom of my estimation, along with all the
other people who toss personal insults around so freely.

Bob

Paal Comes Through Again

[dick graham]

Way to go Paal, keep your ear to the ground and continue getting the real 
information to us!  Some where Bruce should be getting out the salt and 
pepper for some kind of crow eating dinner.

DG

Re: OT: Re: Split the list or calm down ?

[dick graham]

Amen!

DG



At 08:45 AM 10/15/02 -0700, you wrote:
Welcome back.

In a sad way I am glad to hear that OE has trashed some of your
folders.  Only glad that it confirms my experiences.  I have lost
several folders of emails on several systems using OE.  I have since
switched away from it and have had no problems since.

I hope that the list flare ups are ebbing.  We have a couple of new
members who haven't quite got the hang of the style of the list and
are causing some waves.  We also have a few who are very upset with
Pentax for not announcing anything concerning a DSLR at the recent
Photokina event.  There are alot of us who would just like to have the
list settle down and get back to business - photography, Pentax
equipment, etc.  Way to much bandwidth has been used recently that is
not what this list is about.


Bruce



Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 8:09:12 AM, you wrote:

DEDFW Looks like I've come back at the end of another flare-up. I'll hang 
about a
DEDFW bit to see if it fades away. Why wait? Because I missed the informative
DEDFW posts. I hope it doesn't start all over again. This kind of thing is so
DEDFW boring. I don't know how long I've been on this list because twice, at
DEDFW least, Outlook Express has destroyed the contents of all its folders.

DEDFW The rules are no longer working and all messages now remain in the 
inbox
DEDFW instead of being moved to the 'pdml' folder. Does anyone know why? Has
DEDFW something happened to the arrangement of the headers? I gave up the 
digest
DEDFW because it was a chore to sort through the messages. Its easier to 
remove
DEDFW individual messages - a one step process.

DEDFW By the way: the insurance company finally paid up and I got a new 
monitor.
DEDFW Samsung 19 SyncMaster 959NF. It's a cinch to set up for Photoshop 
and it
DEDFW stays set up. This is more than the Nokia it replaces ever did.

DEDFW Don

DEDFW Dr E D F Williams

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RE: Digital-Film Wars: To Byte or not to Byte

[dick graham]

And also not surprising to see big electronic companies, like Sony, trying 
to convince us that film is dead.

DG



At 01:11 PM 10/1/02 -0400, you wrote:
This is one report by a non photographer. The information is therefore 
anecdotal in nature. If you are looking for meaningful information on a 
trend, then you would have to see some data derived from a survey.
Now, unless the photographer is referring to multiple scan MF type studio 
camera, there is no need to download images after every shot, because they 
are stored in the camera. You can buy DSLRs that work at over 5 fps. It's 
not surprising to see, Film is Good articles in a Rochester newspaper.

From: Peifer, William [OCDUS] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
... He finds that the
time it takes to transfer images from camera to computer (15 to 20 seconds,
according to the article) is too slow,...

Re: Pentax at Photokina

[dick graham]

Now this is the stuff I'm talking about, good going Pal!  I had to go back 
and check to see who the sender was.  It looks just like news from the cave.

DG



At 08:00 PM 10/1/02 +0200, you wrote:
Some interesting(?) tidbits from the Pentax universe

Apparently, this years Pentax photokina delegation was among the largest 
ever including the boss and heaps of engineers. Weird, considering they 
had nothing to show. However, it turns out that they indeed showed a LOT 
but behind closed doors locked in a large safe (no I'm not making this up; 
I have this from a guy who was part of the Pentax delegation but not 
allowed into the room! Only the utter hot-shots were allowed apparently). 
I have no idea about the contents of this safe is but it's believed it's 
not the digital K-mount slr. After all, that one is not that secret 
(probably already on the distributors order list).
It was said that Photokina was less seen as a news fair nowadays and more 
of a trade show (they are apparently thinking of arranging it every three 
year instead of every two). Some informed observes suggest that Pentax 
will want to celebrate their corporate name change (and 50th year of slr 
production) with product releases (they wil get more attention this way). 
The speculaters can guess whats in that safe. The pessimist will insist 
it's the next $100 PS while the (incurable) optimist will believe it is 
new KAF3 lenses with USM and IS plus matching cameras.

Pål

Re: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n

[dick graham]

The Sunpack 444D is a good third party  alternative value. Tilt and swivel 
head, femovable diffuser that's good out to 135mm.  TTL, auto and manual 
with manual adjustment for fill flash.  Plenty of power.

DG



At 05:04 PM 9/28/02 -0400, you wrote:
Geez, there are all sorts of Pentax ones and 3rd party ones.  Guess it
depends on your needs.  I'd prefer a flash with decent power, that has IR
AF-assist, among many other things.  I picked up the AF360FGZ when I got my
MS-S.  I used to own the AF330, when I owned the MZ-5n.  Hopefully someone
will add a little more than my thin knowledge of flashs. :)

Brad Dobo
- Original Message -
From: Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 3:26 PM
Subject: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n


  Hi all-
 
  Was looking for suggestions on a hot shoe flash for
  the Zx-5n. Open to Pentax  3rd party suggestions.
 
  Thanks,
  Pat in SF
 
  __
  Do you Yahoo!?
  New DSL Internet Access from SBC  Yahoo!
  http://sbc.yahoo.com
 

Photokina?

[dick graham]

The last couple of Photokinas we have had a few members of PDML on hand and 
giving reports to us, they even talked with the Pentax reps, I 
believe.  There has been such a lack of information on the list about 
Photokina this year am I to assume we had no one on hand?  Oh well, might 
as well hope for something at PMA in March.The PMA 2003 website is up and 
running.

DG

Re: Sorry

[dick graham]

Over the years this list has always had 1 or 2 devils advocates that we 
have had to deal with.  Can any of this lists old timers forget the 
infamous Who? That wasn't you, Bruce, was it?  That's ok, it makes list 
life interesting. If we don't like the message in the majority of Bruce's 
threads, we still should consider them.  You can't be looking at Pentax 
with rose colored glasses without taking into account the negative.  It 
gives balance to our efforts.  Lord knows most of us have vented from time 
to time about Pentax's baffling behavior in the SLR field.

DG


At 02:05 PM 9/25/02 -0400, you wrote:
Alright, I've calmed down a bit.  Sorry about that little outlash in my
email response to B. Rubenstein.  It just rather annoys me to be on a
mailing list with one who is basically against the idea of the mailing
list, and brings very little that is constructive to the table.

But that's okay, I've got procmail and /dev/null, and all is well with the
world.

Again, sorry about my loss of decorum there.  :}

Tom

Photokina and Bruce's Humble Pie

[dick graham]

Speaking of Bruce's dessert, there hasn't been one message today concerning 
news out of the opening day of Photokina!  Someone must have been there and 
can share with us the news or non news.

DG

Re: Sorry

[dick graham]

And what about the Caveman, or Caveperson.  Been a couple years since we 
got news from the Cave!  That was always more interesting than what was 
reality.

DG



At 03:58 PM 9/25/02 -0400, you wrote:
Nope, wasn't me. Always use my real name. Could never, even in jest, suggest
that Cosina made the best cameras/lenses in the world.

BTW, the stuff I'm getting here now is tame compared to some gems I got from
Suda Mafud off line, like: ...this *old* Paratrooper would kick *your*
white, pasty Rubenstein ass, once a day; twice on Sundays.

BR

P.S. Where is my humble pie? I was going to have it to celebrate my birthday
today. I got candles and everything! Pentax did introduce that DSLR today
didn't it?

From: dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can any of this lists old timers forget the
infamous Who? That wasn't you, Bruce, was it?

New Pentax Ads!

[dick graham]

Last week I made that the statement that Pentax had no apparent marketing 
and ad plan, that they would go months without an ad placed in the major US 
photo mags and that I had never seen 1 ad for the MZ-S. This past weekend I 
was watching the Pikes Peak hill climb on ESPN ( for our non US brethren, 
ESPN is a 24 hour a day cable sports channel )  As each vehicle passed a 
certain point on the race track going up the mountain, the TV camera picked 
up a large Pentax red banner placed next to ESPN's banner.  The next day I 
was watching ESPN Sport Center news.  They were showing highlights of a 
Seattle Mariner-Oakland Athletic baseball game.  The camera angle was from 
behind the pitcher toward home plate.  The rolling advertising banners on 
the base of the wall behind home plate all of the sudden switched to 3 
large red Pentax banners.  In less than 24 hours I had seen more Pentax 
ad effort on TV than I had seen in months in the pages of my favorite 
photo magazines.  The new Pentax ad campaign:  Get the Pentax name in front 
of the TV camera as often as possible!

DG

Re: Pentax ads

[dick graham]

This was 11/2 ago and the last SLR ad they have run.  No MZ-S ad has every 
run!

DG

At 10:14 PM 9/17/02 -0400, you wrote:
**Note, I tried this as an attachment but didn't think it would work, and it
didn't :)**


http://members.rogers.com/brad.dobo/images/Pentax.jpg


Ok, this is an ad off the back cover of Outdoor Photographer March 2001.  It
can be argued irrelevent due to it's date, but it's still sometihng. but  I
have another Outdoor Photographer mag with the same ad on it, don't remember
the date.  It's a quick scan, did my best to keep the size down.  As to
commentary, It is a first class ad, one in a popular magazine, and on the
back cover.  However, they seem to be targeting low-end entry-level SLR
market, with the
ZX7.  Not only that, but they put that crappy FA 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6 on
thereoh well, but at least they are advertisingHope this stimulates
some more commentary on their methods of attracting customers.

**
Brad W. Dobo, HBA (Eds.)
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ#: 1658

Pentax at Photokina

[dick graham]

I must have missed the rumor about Pentax making some big news at 
Photokina, probably Pal's info.  Could you repeat it?

DG

Re: My God It's Finally Arrived

[dick graham]

Looks like a surveyers instrument in Canon colors!

DG



At 09:40 PM 9/12/02 +0100, you wrote:
http://www.pentaxcanada.ca/eng/products/sur_eth100.html

Re: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's

[dick graham]

Don't be so quick in condemning Sigma consumer grade lenses.  Check out 
Toni Lankerd's stuff on www.photocrituque.net , look under list by 
photographers ,especially the third one down ambience. Toni is a long 
time PUG contributor and a field editor for the e magazine Nature 
Photographer.  She uses Pentax bodies and Sigma 28-80 and 28-135 consumer 
grade lenses as her main stays, and she tells me she loves the glass.  Both 
of these lenses have had good lens test reports from Pop Photo.


DG

At 12:33 PM 9/7/02 +1000, you wrote:
The general feeling is that the original Tamron/Pentax were dogs. The later
Tamron is much better. I know little about the Sigma other than I would
never buy a Sigma consumer lens - which this is.

Bob
- Original Message -
From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 12:26 PM
Subject: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's


  Hello out there in Pentax-Land.
 
  Does anyone have any experience with both of the following lens
  designs, and (if so) could compare them -
 
  The Pentax FA / Tamron 28-200/3.8-5.6 (I understand that these are
  the same lens)
 
  - versus -
 
  The Sigma 28-200/3.5-5.6
 
  Yes, I understand that these do-everything (g) lenses are
  chock-full of compromises, but nonetheless I am interested in their
  comparative optical and build qualities.
 
  Thanks.
 
  Fred
 
 

RE: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's

[dick graham]

Rob, Toni also told me that the 28-135 Sigma is much better than the 28-80.

DG



At 03:31 PM 9/9/02 +0100, you wrote:
Well let me say that the biggest improvement I have ever seen in my
photography was moving from the Sigma 28-80 to a Sigma 28-70 EX.  The
difference was stark - I suddenly realised that many of my older photos
werent bad because I was no good, but because they were soft, had no
detail and no contrast/colour.  Even though the 28-70 is not a patch on
the best lenses out there, I could not believe the improvement!

I am not saying all Sigma consumer lenses are rubbish, I love the
70-300APO (for the money), and I think the 28-135 is reasonably well
regarded but anyone who tells you they love the 28-80 is either lying or
doesn't know what they are talking about.

  -Original Message-
  From: dick graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 09 September 2002 15:29
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's
 
 
  Don't be so quick in condemning Sigma consumer grade lenses.
  Check out
  Toni Lankerd's stuff on www.photocrituque.net , look under list by
  photographers ,especially the third one down ambience.
  Toni is a long
  time PUG contributor and a field editor for the e magazine Nature
  Photographer.  She uses Pentax bodies and Sigma 28-80 and
  28-135 consumer
  grade lenses as her main stays, and she tells me she loves
  the glass.  Both
  of these lenses have had good lens test reports from Pop Photo.
 
 
  DG
 
  At 12:33 PM 9/7/02 +1000, you wrote:
  The general feeling is that the original Tamron/Pentax were
  dogs. The
  later Tamron is much better. I know little about the Sigma
  other than I
  would never buy a Sigma consumer lens - which this is.
  
  Bob
  - Original Message -
  From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 12:26 PM
  Subject: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's
  
  
Hello out there in Pentax-Land.
   
Does anyone have any experience with both of the following lens
designs, and (if so) could compare them -
   
The Pentax FA / Tamron 28-200/3.8-5.6 (I understand that
  these are
the same lens)
   
- versus -
   
The Sigma 28-200/3.5-5.6
   
Yes, I understand that these do-everything (g) lenses are
chock-full of compromises, but nonetheless I am
  interested in their
comparative optical and build qualities.
   
Thanks.
   
Fred
   
   
 
 
 

Re: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's

[dick graham]

And is on sale at both Adorama and BH for $129 USD.

DG



At 05:25 PM 9/9/02 +0200, you wrote:
on 09.09.02 16:48, dick graham at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Rob, Toni also told me that the 28-135 Sigma is much better than the 28-80.
 
Well, I must admit that photos taken with my Sigma 28-135 are slightly
sharper than ones made by my girlfriend using FA 28-70/4. I think this is
the best standard consumer lens made by Sigma, not as good as EX series, but
still very good, even compared to others (consumer grade), including Pentax.

--
Best Regards
Sylwek

Re: PDML UK

[dick graham]

For those of us who can't get our hands on the magazine a scan would be nice.

DG



At 01:22 AM 8/14/02 +0200, you wrote:
Right now it's 01:20 AM. Cotty  I have been out looking for the perseids
for a while, but now Cotty's in my kitchen preparing tomorrow's dinner! None
of us have been particularly drunk, but we've had a great time anyway! :-)

Thanks for the offer to scan the article, Rob. But you know, I think I will
try to get my hands on a copy of the magazine itself. I'm pretty sure they
sell it some places here in Oslo too.

Jostein

- Original Message -
From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:35 AM
Subject: RE: PDML UK


  Yeah there was a pic of Jostein on the 400 with Mike on the 600 in the
  background.  There was a little more text in the magazine too, including
  a quote from John Dickens.  I will scan the article if you want?  Is
  Cotty  Alma ther right now?  Glad it all worked out if they are  hope
  Cotty is not getting you all to drunk!  Better still, I hope he is!!!
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Re: Sensia100 Pushed

[dick graham]

Scott, I stand corrected.  I don't get to pass go and pick up my $200, but 
must go back to Sunny 16 Rule clas 101. Thanks.

DG


At 07:29 AM 7/31/02 -0700, you wrote:
Dick,

Yes, sunny 16 recommends 1/125 and f/16 for direct sunlight, i.e. no clouds.
This is the same exposure as 1/250 f/11, what Fuji reccomends for regular
sunlight.  On snow, this is still the 'correct' exposure, but the snow will
be so bright that it will just be a solid mass of white, hence Fuji wisely
reccomends 1/250 f/16 for these conditions.


- Original Message -
From: dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: Sensia100 Pushed


  They are recommending 1/250 at f/16 on sand and snow, f/11 in regular
  sunshine, f/8 in weak sunshine, f/5.6, light clouds or haze, f/4 in cloudy
  or open shade conditions.  The sunny 16 rule recommends 1/125 with these
  conditions and apertures for 100 ISO film.
 
  DG
 
 
 
  At 03:02 PM 7/29/02 -0700, you wrote:
Last week I put in a thread about pushing Sensia 100.  I just threw
the
empty box of Sensia 100 away but did read the instructions inside
about
   the
Sunny 16 rule with this film.  Fuji recommends setting the shutter
   speed to
1/250 and follow their aperture guide, f/16 on sand or snow, f/11 in
sunshine etc.  In other words they are recommending a 1 stop push
right
   out
of the box?  By the way I did re-read the front of the box to make
sure I
hadn't purchased a box of 200 ISO, it was 100.
   
DG
  
  1/250 f/11 is the same exposure as 1/125 f/16 - i.e. your regular sunny
16
  rule.  I shoot a lot on snow, and you need to underexpose by at least one
  stop (from sunny 16) or all the hilights in the snow will be completely
  blown out.
  
  -Scott
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Re: AF-360FGZ and P-TTL mode

[dick graham]

The ZX-5n does also.

DG



At 12:19 PM 7/30/02 -0400, you wrote:
the manual is obscure about it, but if i read it correctly, i can set fill
flash exposure compensation from the flash unit only in P-TTL mode. so, if
i want to use a fill flash of about 1.5 stops under without going to manual
exposure on the body and using the exposure compensation dial, i have to be
in P-TTL mode, which means i have to have a body that supports P-TTL mode.
right? MZ-S and ZX-L are only bodies that support P-TTL mode?

Herb
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Re:Canuck's ZX-L

[dick graham]

Brad, I believe in Japan, Canada, Europe etc the ZX-L is the MZ-6.  It 
replaces the MZ/ZX-7.

DG



At 01:43 PM 7/30/02 -0400, you wrote:
I'm just a stupid Canuck, but I've never heard of the ZX-L, can anyone give
me a link to it?  It's not on the Canadian Pentax site.

Brad Dobo
- Original Message -
From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Galen S Swint [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:21 PM
Subject: Re[2]: ZX-L


  On a similar note, does anyone know if the ZX-L supports high speed
  flash synch like the MZ-S does.  It is the combination of high speed
  synch and flash compensation that makes it so versatile for daylight
  flash fill.  If the ZX-L does both, it would be quite a body at it's
  price point.
 
 
  Bruce
 
 
 
  Tuesday, July 30, 2002, 9:54:12 AM, you wrote:
 
  GSS While ZX-L issues get batted around Does anyone know if the
  GSS AF-360FGZ's AF assist works with the ZX-L?
  GSS Thanks,
  GSS Galen Swint
 
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Re: more images from PDML UK

[dick graham]

Jostein, top middle photo- plane second from left is a US Navy Corsair used 
heavily in the South Pacific theater, plane third from left looks to be a 
P-40? used by the Flying Tiger's in Asia and plane on far right looks to me 
to ba a P-51 Mustang used extensively to provide escort service to the 
bombing raids over Germany.  Plane on far left I don't recognize, it has 
British markings but doesn't appear to be a Spitfire or Mosquito.

DG



At 09:55 AM 7/25/02 -0400, you wrote:
uploaded a few more images to my site yesterday.
Click the Airshow portefolio on the left menu at http://oksne.net

Anyone who knows the names of any of those planes?

Jostein. Please accept this as constructive criticism: (I should not say 
too much as I did not take any pix whatsoever) - have you ever considered 
the way in which the thumbs are arranged, on first viewing?
  I once worked in a picture library and learned how to make up a 
 presentation. Most photographs have a direction. L-R, or R-L. Yes, ok 
 there are some which are T-B and B-T. Let's concentrate on the first 
 group. Separate the pix into L-R, R-L,  absolute corkers (any direction). 
 The corkers go in the centre. The drectional shots are arranged around 
 them, pointing the way to the best shots. L-R go on the left, whilst (you 
 guessed it) R-L on the right. Just try this at home with an archive 
 sleeve and lightbox.

Kind regards from sunny Brighton

Peter
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Re: more images from PDML UK

[dick graham]

In the other pics:2nd row far left-Corsair, 2nd row middle pic looks to be 
a line of P-51 Mustangs with Allison engines before the switch was made to 
the Rolls Royce Merlin power plant, 2nd row far right might be a RAF 
Spitfire, 3rd row far left-Spitfire?, 3rd row middle US B-26 bomber,  5th 
row far left-a pair of Corsair's, 5th row middle- Corsair in middle(you can 
tell by the distinctive gull wing shape)  sandwiched by a Mustang and ?,

DG


At 09:55 AM 7/25/02 -0400, you wrote:
uploaded a few more images to my site yesterday.
Click the Airshow portefolio on the left menu at http://oksne.net

Anyone who knows the names of any of those planes?

Jostein. Please accept this as constructive criticism: (I should not say 
too much as I did not take any pix whatsoever) - have you ever considered 
the way in which the thumbs are arranged, on first viewing?
  I once worked in a picture library and learned how to make up a 
 presentation. Most photographs have a direction. L-R, or R-L. Yes, ok 
 there are some which are T-B and B-T. Let's concentrate on the first 
 group. Separate the pix into L-R, R-L,  absolute corkers (any direction). 
 The corkers go in the centre. The drectional shots are arranged around 
 them, pointing the way to the best shots. L-R go on the left, whilst (you 
 guessed it) R-L on the right. Just try this at home with an archive 
 sleeve and lightbox.

Kind regards from sunny Brighton

Peter
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Where O Where is Shel

[dick graham]

Shel, welcome home! What goes around comes around and we all hope that you 
rebound to great health and new lenses come your way 4 fold.

DG
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Re: Re[4]: What is the most quiet body?

[dick graham]

To me high drive speed and fast AF are really not that important unless 
your covering sports or other high speed action.

DG



At 11:32 AM 6/12/02 -0600, you wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Sylwester Pietrzyk
Subject: Re: Re[4]: What is the most quiet body?
 
   I must concur with Brother Bruce on this. Have you looked
that
   the Nikon F100 and the Nikkor lens line.
   Much better AF than the PZ1p, and much faster operation than
the
   MZ-S.
  And F100 has over 300 g of weight more than MZ-S... it costs a
solid couple
  of bucks more, and it still lacks some nice features of MZ-S:
wirelles flash
  as a standard, MRC, leaving film leader out after rewinding,
reading
  exposure information for each frame requires expensive add-ons
(software for
  PC)...

I recall from the thread that these features on the Pentax were
not considered important. What was important was high drive
speed and fast AF.

William Robb
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RE: Big announcement coming up

[dick graham]

I believe Shutterbug and Peterson's Photographic mention that the MZ-L is 
the replacement for the ZX-7, not the 5-n.

DG



At 05:27 PM 6/4/02 -0400, you wrote:
Speaking of the MZ-S and Z-1P, how does the ZX-L (aka MZ-6) fit into the
picture? This month's Shutterbug mentions that the ZX-L is the
replacement
for the ZX-5n?!? At $400 MSRP, it's not a bad deal, but then again, I
have
never seen the MZ-S or Z-1P in person. I have not seriously considered
the
ZX-L because it is so plasticky.

Taka
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Re: ZX5n-MZ3 (wasRe: MZ-Sn petition)

[dick graham]

Pal, have you heard anything about when we can expect an updated MZ/ZX-5n, 
MZ-3?

DG


At 11:07 AM 5/10/02 +0200, you wrote:
Isn't the MZ-3 discontinued?



The MZ-3 was originally intended for the Japanese domestic market only where
they were going to sell the MZ-5 and the MZ-3, but not the MZ-5N. The -5N
was meant for export. Pentax Corp. in the US made the decision not to sell
the MZ-3 in the US because of the price. This was a sales/marketing
decision. However, because of the number of requests from European
distributors, Pentax Europe added the MZ-3 to their stock assortment -
selling it (initially) as a kit with the 43mm.
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Re: ZX-L and Pentax Metering

[dick graham]

If one brings his or her right thumb up along side the viewfinder of the 
ZX-5n while shooting it helps one see the exposure info much more 
clearly.  The 5n is a great camera, I would recommend it without hesitation.

DG




At 04:43 PM 5/6/02 -0600, you wrote:
Nitin is right. I forgot that the 5n also has center-weighted and spot
metering.

I'm very anxious to see a 5n replacement. As it is, I can't recommend
the camera (as I've noted here several times). In bright sunlight (most
of my shooting) one can't see the exposure information in the
viewfinder, and it's not duplicated on the external lcd.

The 5n replacement will presumably fix this problem, and probably add
some other goodies, like pentax functions. I'm looking forward to seeing
it. I hope they put aperture priority on the body.

Joe
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Re: OT: Maybe Back to MF(BW Printing Techniques)

[dick graham]

While going to the site listed, I stumbled upon this under What's 
New:  www.luminous-landscape.com/sm-02-04-28. htm.  Interesting article on 
BW printing techniques.  Please take note of one of the lenses he 
recommends to start achieving what he calls the glow in BW prints.
Very interesting reading.

DG



At 11:04 AM 4/29/02 -0400, you wrote:
Hi David ... If you've not seen this, check out

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/table_of_contents.htm

for a review of the Bronica


  I've been now considering returning to MF (via 645)
  but with a bit of a twist:  The Bronica RF645
[...]
  Out of curiousity - does anyone on the list have
  experience with the Bronica ?
--
Shel Belinkoff
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Re: MZ-S in my future

[dick graham]

The 5n is a terrific camera, it has performed very well for me for the 3 
years that I have I have owned it.

DG



At 02:20 PM 4/29/02 -0400, you wrote:
After a couple of weeks of being so busy at work that I took zero
photographs, I decided to give myself an assignment this weekend
in hopes of stirring the creative juices.  I swore to take 48
photographs in 48 hours using only normal lenses.  So I slapped a
50 on the ZX-5n and one on the K1000 the Seagull and the Olympus
with their fixed lens are permanently normal.  Well I completed
my assignment and I discovered something, I really like my
ZX-5n.  I often joke it's the ugly step-child of my bag but by
golly it's a great little camera and with the battery grip
attached it balances well with M series lenses.  If only it were
made of metal, so now after vowing I would never buy another 35mm
SLR I'm thinking that one more wouldn't hurt.  I might just have
to squeeze the money out for an MZ-S after all.

Evan

P.S. I also had a great time reminding myself how versatile a 50
can be.
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RE: OT: Maybe Back to MF(BW Printing Techniques)

[dick graham]

Exactly, I failed to notice it was Mikes article.

DG


At 03:59 PM 4/29/02 -0400, you wrote:
Perhaps the lens recommendation is not so surprising when you see the
Author... Mike Johnston.

Regards,
/\/\ick...
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