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Thanks John and Igor. I may just format a 32 gig thumb drive to mac system and keep the 10.11 install program on it as a back up. Dave On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 10:04 AM, John wrote: > Look for a program called MacDrive for the PC. That way you can format > the external drive for the Mac and the PC will still be able to read & > write to it. > > http://www.mediafour.com/software/macdrive/ > > > On 11/15/2016 2:09 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >> >> I'm looking at setting up an external as both PC and Mac partitions. I >> have done a search but most of what i found was formatting in msdos >> format and then can be used to swap computers. Is there a way to have >> 2 portions 1 windows and 1 mac only >> >> Dave >> >> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:29 AM, David J Brooks >> wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 9:38 AM, P.J. Alling >>> wrote: If it only happens with your browser check for unauthorized plugins and extensions. Every once in a while a web site will install something that you don't want. Having automatic updates enabled can allow the installation without you being notified, and they can be pretty sneaky in getting you to authorize it as well. >>> >>> >>> Oh ok, i'll give that a check. >>> >>> For Paul, I've gone ahead and upgraded some of my programs that will >>> work with 10.11 like LR 4.4 etc. I did have 4 old, very old software >>> updates i never got around to installing so i did those as well. >>> >>> Can anyone tell me how long the upgrade from 10.6.8 to 10.11 should >>> take.? >>> >>> Dave On 11/15/2016 6:50 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:46 PM, Paul Stenquist > wrote: >> >> >> You may have some software that's incompatible with the old OS. It's >> going to be tough to come up with a solution without updating. And why >> not >> update? There's nothing to be gained by sticking with a long gone OS. > > > Only software update was Sptder Pro 4 back in September. Not sure if > thats when things started or not, it may have been. > > I have 10.11 downloaded just working up the courage.LOL > > Dave >> >> >> Paul via phone >> >>> On Nov 14, 2016, at 7:14 PM, David J Brooks >>> wrote: >>> >>> The browsers will often freeze if the machine has been asleep for a >>> while too. >>> >>> Dave >>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:13 PM, David J Brooks wrote: The last few months my browsers freeze up and i have to force quit and shut down and restart. I have been avoiding the click bate sites but sometime clicking on a video that has been shared seems to follow with a freeze up. Just recently when i turn on the computer i get the grey screen and no apple logo, i shut it off again and restart then it seems to be ok. This jsut started last week. Old OS 10.6.8 plus my browsers are not in line for up dates any more, Chrome and Firefox. I'm down to 196 GIG on a 500 Gig HD. Could this be part of it.?? I have fixed permissions and run Macscan 1-2 a month to get rid of the tracking cookies. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >>> www.caughtinmotion.com >>> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >>> York Region, Ontario, Canada >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>> and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >>> www.caughtinmotion.com >>> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >>> York Region, Ontario, Canada >> >> >> >> > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUB
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Look for a program called MacDrive for the PC. That way you can format the external drive for the Mac and the PC will still be able to read & write to it. http://www.mediafour.com/software/macdrive/ On 11/15/2016 2:09 PM, David J Brooks wrote: I'm looking at setting up an external as both PC and Mac partitions. I have done a search but most of what i found was formatting in msdos format and then can be used to swap computers. Is there a way to have 2 portions 1 windows and 1 mac only Dave On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:29 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 9:38 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: If it only happens with your browser check for unauthorized plugins and extensions. Every once in a while a web site will install something that you don't want. Having automatic updates enabled can allow the installation without you being notified, and they can be pretty sneaky in getting you to authorize it as well. Oh ok, i'll give that a check. For Paul, I've gone ahead and upgraded some of my programs that will work with 10.11 like LR 4.4 etc. I did have 4 old, very old software updates i never got around to installing so i did those as well. Can anyone tell me how long the upgrade from 10.6.8 to 10.11 should take.? Dave On 11/15/2016 6:50 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:46 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: You may have some software that's incompatible with the old OS. It's going to be tough to come up with a solution without updating. And why not update? There's nothing to be gained by sticking with a long gone OS. Only software update was Sptder Pro 4 back in September. Not sure if thats when things started or not, it may have been. I have 10.11 downloaded just working up the courage.LOL Dave Paul via phone On Nov 14, 2016, at 7:14 PM, David J Brooks wrote: The browsers will often freeze if the machine has been asleep for a while too. Dave On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:13 PM, David J Brooks wrote: The last few months my browsers freeze up and i have to force quit and shut down and restart. I have been avoiding the click bate sites but sometime clicking on a video that has been shared seems to follow with a freeze up. Just recently when i turn on the computer i get the grey screen and no apple logo, i shut it off again and restart then it seems to be ok. This jsut started last week. Old OS 10.6.8 plus my browsers are not in line for up dates any more, Chrome and Firefox. I'm down to 196 GIG on a 500 Gig HD. Could this be part of it.?? I have fixed permissions and run Macscan 1-2 a month to get rid of the tracking cookies. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Dave, I have never done this with an external HDD, but I have done that many times with internal ones. You can have multiple partitions on a drive. In this case, you'll have two partitions, one with Mac file system, the other one with NTFS. But that will not allow you easy sharing files between the two systems. Those would be two separate "compartments", one for each type of systems. (Strictly speaking, you can access NTFS from Mac, but read only, IIRC. And there are probably some tools on Windows that can allow you some access to the Mac file.) If the HDD is 2TB or smaller, you can have it formatted as "FAT" filesystem (which you called MS-DOS), - and then it will be accessible by both Mac and PC. To create two separate partitions, you'd need first to partition the HDD. Under Windows, you can use the built-in "Disk Management" tool. http://www.howtogeek.com/101862/how-to-manage-partitions-on-windows-without-downloading-any-other-software/ I haven't used one on Mac, but here is the description of it: http://www.howtogeek.com/212836/how-to-use-your-macs-disk-utility-to-partition-wipe-repair-restore-and-copy-drives/ (I hope it's correct.) Once you created two partitions on your external HDD (Don't make a mistake, and don't mess up your internal drive!), format each partition in its respective system. It might not matter, but I'd recommend the first partition for Windows, the second for Mac. Actually, the workflow I'd suggest should be: 1. In Windows, use the Disk Management tool, and create the first partition of the desired size. 2. Format it (within the same Disk Management tool) as NTFS. 3. "Disconnect" the HDD, connect to Mac 4. Create the second partition under Mac, using the Mac tool. 5. Format that as a Mac parition. Hope this helps, Igor David J Brooks Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:11:45 -0800 wrote: I'm looking at setting up an external as both PC and Mac partitions. I have done a search but most of what i found was formatting in msdos format and then can be used to swap computers. Is there a way to have 2 portions 1 windows and 1 mac only Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If you have stopped updating your browsers, that could very well be the issue. You should at least update the plugins. Jostein Den 15.11.2016 01.13, skrev David J Brooks: The last few months my browsers freeze up and i have to force quit and shut down and restart. I have been avoiding the click bate sites but sometime clicking on a video that has been shared seems to follow with a freeze up. Just recently when i turn on the computer i get the grey screen and no apple logo, i shut it off again and restart then it seems to be ok. This jsut started last week. Old OS 10.6.8 plus my browsers are not in line for up dates any more, Chrome and Firefox. I'm down to 196 GIG on a 500 Gig HD. Could this be part of it.?? I have fixed permissions and run Macscan 1-2 a month to get rid of the tracking cookies. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm looking at setting up an external as both PC and Mac partitions. I have done a search but most of what i found was formatting in msdos format and then can be used to swap computers. Is there a way to have 2 portions 1 windows and 1 mac only Dave On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:29 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 9:38 AM, P.J. Alling > wrote: >> If it only happens with your browser check for unauthorized plugins and >> extensions. Every once in a while a web site will install something that >> you don't want. Having automatic updates enabled can allow the installation >> without you being notified, and they can be pretty sneaky in getting you to >> authorize it as well. > > Oh ok, i'll give that a check. > > For Paul, I've gone ahead and upgraded some of my programs that will > work with 10.11 like LR 4.4 etc. I did have 4 old, very old software > updates i never got around to installing so i did those as well. > > Can anyone tell me how long the upgrade from 10.6.8 to 10.11 should take.? > > Dave >> >> >> On 11/15/2016 6:50 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:46 PM, Paul Stenquist >>> wrote: You may have some software that's incompatible with the old OS. It's going to be tough to come up with a solution without updating. And why not update? There's nothing to be gained by sticking with a long gone OS. >>> >>> Only software update was Sptder Pro 4 back in September. Not sure if >>> thats when things started or not, it may have been. >>> >>> I have 10.11 downloaded just working up the courage.LOL >>> >>> Dave Paul via phone > On Nov 14, 2016, at 7:14 PM, David J Brooks wrote: > > The browsers will often freeze if the machine has been asleep for a > while too. > > Dave > >> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:13 PM, David J Brooks >> wrote: >> The last few months my browsers freeze up and i have to force quit and >> shut down and restart. I have been avoiding the click bate sites but >> sometime clicking on a video that has been shared seems to follow with >> a freeze up. Just recently when i turn on the computer i get the grey >> screen and no apple logo, i shut it off again and restart then it >> seems to be ok. This jsut started last week. Old OS 10.6.8 plus my >> browsers are not in line for up dates any more, Chrome and Firefox. >> I'm down to 196 GIG on a 500 Gig HD. Could this be part of it.?? >> I have fixed permissions and run Macscan 1-2 a month to get rid of the >> tracking cookies. >> >> Dave >> >> -- >> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >> www.caughtinmotion.com >> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >> York Region, Ontario, Canada > > > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve >> immortality through not dying. >> -- Woody Allen >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 9:38 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: > If it only happens with your browser check for unauthorized plugins and > extensions. Every once in a while a web site will install something that > you don't want. Having automatic updates enabled can allow the installation > without you being notified, and they can be pretty sneaky in getting you to > authorize it as well. Oh ok, i'll give that a check. For Paul, I've gone ahead and upgraded some of my programs that will work with 10.11 like LR 4.4 etc. I did have 4 old, very old software updates i never got around to installing so i did those as well. Can anyone tell me how long the upgrade from 10.6.8 to 10.11 should take.? Dave > > > On 11/15/2016 6:50 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >> >> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:46 PM, Paul Stenquist >> wrote: >>> >>> You may have some software that's incompatible with the old OS. It's >>> going to be tough to come up with a solution without updating. And why not >>> update? There's nothing to be gained by sticking with a long gone OS. >> >> Only software update was Sptder Pro 4 back in September. Not sure if >> thats when things started or not, it may have been. >> >> I have 10.11 downloaded just working up the courage.LOL >> >> Dave >>> >>> Paul via phone >>> On Nov 14, 2016, at 7:14 PM, David J Brooks wrote: The browsers will often freeze if the machine has been asleep for a while too. Dave > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:13 PM, David J Brooks > wrote: > The last few months my browsers freeze up and i have to force quit and > shut down and restart. I have been avoiding the click bate sites but > sometime clicking on a video that has been shared seems to follow with > a freeze up. Just recently when i turn on the computer i get the grey > screen and no apple logo, i shut it off again and restart then it > seems to be ok. This jsut started last week. Old OS 10.6.8 plus my > browsers are not in line for up dates any more, Chrome and Firefox. > I'm down to 196 GIG on a 500 Gig HD. Could this be part of it.?? > I have fixed permissions and run Macscan 1-2 a month to get rid of the > tracking cookies. > > Dave > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> > > > -- > I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve > immortality through not dying. > -- Woody Allen > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If it only happens with your browser check for unauthorized plugins and extensions. Every once in a while a web site will install something that you don't want. Having automatic updates enabled can allow the installation without you being notified, and they can be pretty sneaky in getting you to authorize it as well. On 11/15/2016 6:50 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:46 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: You may have some software that's incompatible with the old OS. It's going to be tough to come up with a solution without updating. And why not update? There's nothing to be gained by sticking with a long gone OS. Only software update was Sptder Pro 4 back in September. Not sure if thats when things started or not, it may have been. I have 10.11 downloaded just working up the courage.LOL Dave Paul via phone On Nov 14, 2016, at 7:14 PM, David J Brooks wrote: The browsers will often freeze if the machine has been asleep for a while too. Dave On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:13 PM, David J Brooks wrote: The last few months my browsers freeze up and i have to force quit and shut down and restart. I have been avoiding the click bate sites but sometime clicking on a video that has been shared seems to follow with a freeze up. Just recently when i turn on the computer i get the grey screen and no apple logo, i shut it off again and restart then it seems to be ok. This jsut started last week. Old OS 10.6.8 plus my browsers are not in line for up dates any more, Chrome and Firefox. I'm down to 196 GIG on a 500 Gig HD. Could this be part of it.?? I have fixed permissions and run Macscan 1-2 a month to get rid of the tracking cookies. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:46 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > You may have some software that's incompatible with the old OS. It's going to > be tough to come up with a solution without updating. And why not update? > There's nothing to be gained by sticking with a long gone OS. Only software update was Sptder Pro 4 back in September. Not sure if thats when things started or not, it may have been. I have 10.11 downloaded just working up the courage.LOL Dave > > Paul via phone > >> On Nov 14, 2016, at 7:14 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >> >> The browsers will often freeze if the machine has been asleep for a while >> too. >> >> Dave >> >>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:13 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >>> The last few months my browsers freeze up and i have to force quit and >>> shut down and restart. I have been avoiding the click bate sites but >>> sometime clicking on a video that has been shared seems to follow with >>> a freeze up. Just recently when i turn on the computer i get the grey >>> screen and no apple logo, i shut it off again and restart then it >>> seems to be ok. This jsut started last week. Old OS 10.6.8 plus my >>> browsers are not in line for up dates any more, Chrome and Firefox. >>> I'm down to 196 GIG on a 500 Gig HD. Could this be part of it.?? >>> I have fixed permissions and run Macscan 1-2 a month to get rid of the >>> tracking cookies. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> -- >>> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >>> www.caughtinmotion.com >>> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >>> York Region, Ontario, Canada >> >> >> >> -- >> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >> www.caughtinmotion.com >> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >> York Region, Ontario, Canada >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I only use Safari, don't know Chrome or Firefox. With the most current Safari and fairly current hardware, I sometimes get bad results. I remember several software generations ago (coding in HTML4.0) how tricky it was to code for compatibility with all browsers. There are sites which are still poorly written in that they expect the user will be using browser which are built to current standards, little allowance made for backward compatibility. So many browsers, so many generations of software, it is easy to understand how somebody's clever shortcut could freeze a slightly off kilter older browser. In short, upgrade. stan Sent from my iPad > On Nov 14, 2016, at 7:02 PM, David Mann wrote: > > Fragmentation isn't a thing on the Mac but yes 196G free shouldn't cause even > the slightest problem. My whole SSD is 256Gb with about half of that free. > > I couldn't really speculate on what's actually causing the trouble... I might > be inclined to agree with Paul. > > Cheers, > Dave > >> On Nov 15, 2016, at 1:34 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: >> >> I don't know that much about Macs but on Windows the you only need about >> twice as much paging file as actual physical memory, and if you're hard >> drive which you seem to have. But if your drive is fragmented then even >> with enough paging file, it can slow down the system when more paging space >> is allocated. I don't know if disk defragmenting is a thing with a Mac, but >> if it I'd try that first. >> >>> On 11/14/2016 7:13 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >>> The last few months my browsers freeze up and i have to force quit and >>> shut down and restart. I have been avoiding the click bate sites but >>> sometime clicking on a video that has been shared seems to follow with >>> a freeze up. Just recently when i turn on the computer i get the grey >>> screen and no apple logo, i shut it off again and restart then it >>> seems to be ok. This jsut started last week. Old OS 10.6.8 plus my >>> browsers are not in line for up dates any more, Chrome and Firefox. >>> I'm down to 196 GIG on a 500 Gig HD. Could this be part of it.?? >>> I have fixed permissions and run Macscan 1-2 a month to get rid of the >>> tracking cookies. >>> >>> Dave >>> >> >> >> -- >> I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve >> immortality through not dying. >> -- Woody Allen >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Fragmentation isn't a thing on the Mac but yes 196G free shouldn't cause even the slightest problem. My whole SSD is 256Gb with about half of that free. I couldn't really speculate on what's actually causing the trouble... I might be inclined to agree with Paul. Cheers, Dave > On Nov 15, 2016, at 1:34 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: > > I don't know that much about Macs but on Windows the you only need about > twice as much paging file as actual physical memory, and if you're hard drive > which you seem to have. But if your drive is fragmented then even with > enough paging file, it can slow down the system when more paging space is > allocated. I don't know if disk defragmenting is a thing with a Mac, but if > it I'd try that first. > > On 11/14/2016 7:13 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >> The last few months my browsers freeze up and i have to force quit and >> shut down and restart. I have been avoiding the click bate sites but >> sometime clicking on a video that has been shared seems to follow with >> a freeze up. Just recently when i turn on the computer i get the grey >> screen and no apple logo, i shut it off again and restart then it >> seems to be ok. This jsut started last week. Old OS 10.6.8 plus my >> browsers are not in line for up dates any more, Chrome and Firefox. >> I'm down to 196 GIG on a 500 Gig HD. Could this be part of it.?? >> I have fixed permissions and run Macscan 1-2 a month to get rid of the >> tracking cookies. >> >> Dave >> > > > -- > I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve > immortality through not dying. > -- Woody Allen > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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As far as I know, disk defragmenting is not something a user should (or even can) do on a Mac. The same situation is with any Unix machines. Even under Windows, - disk defragmentation should be done on FAT files system, but many argue that it should be done differently on NTFS. It shouldn't be done on SSD drives. On spinning HDDs, individual files should be defragmented, but not the entire disk, as it used to be done on FAT disks. Read, e.g. this page: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/2007.11.desktopfiles.aspx And some people even argue that even this degrag should be done infrequently, and primarily on files like "pagefile", registries, etc. Igor P.J. Alling Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:36:10 -0800 wrote: I don't know that much about Macs but on Windows the you only need about twice as much paging file as actual physical memory, and if you're hard drive which you seem to have. But if your drive is fragmented then even with enough paging file, it can slow down the system when more paging space is allocated. I don't know if disk defragmenting is a thing with a Mac, but if it I'd try that first. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You may have some software that's incompatible with the old OS. It's going to be tough to come up with a solution without updating. And why not update? There's nothing to be gained by sticking with a long gone OS. Paul via phone > On Nov 14, 2016, at 7:14 PM, David J Brooks wrote: > > The browsers will often freeze if the machine has been asleep for a while too. > > Dave > >> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:13 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >> The last few months my browsers freeze up and i have to force quit and >> shut down and restart. I have been avoiding the click bate sites but >> sometime clicking on a video that has been shared seems to follow with >> a freeze up. Just recently when i turn on the computer i get the grey >> screen and no apple logo, i shut it off again and restart then it >> seems to be ok. This jsut started last week. Old OS 10.6.8 plus my >> browsers are not in line for up dates any more, Chrome and Firefox. >> I'm down to 196 GIG on a 500 Gig HD. Could this be part of it.?? >> I have fixed permissions and run Macscan 1-2 a month to get rid of the >> tracking cookies. >> >> Dave >> >> -- >> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >> www.caughtinmotion.com >> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >> York Region, Ontario, Canada > > > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't know that much about Macs but on Windows the you only need about twice as much paging file as actual physical memory, and if you're hard drive which you seem to have. But if your drive is fragmented then even with enough paging file, it can slow down the system when more paging space is allocated. I don't know if disk defragmenting is a thing with a Mac, but if it I'd try that first. On 11/14/2016 7:13 PM, David J Brooks wrote: The last few months my browsers freeze up and i have to force quit and shut down and restart. I have been avoiding the click bate sites but sometime clicking on a video that has been shared seems to follow with a freeze up. Just recently when i turn on the computer i get the grey screen and no apple logo, i shut it off again and restart then it seems to be ok. This jsut started last week. Old OS 10.6.8 plus my browsers are not in line for up dates any more, Chrome and Firefox. I'm down to 196 GIG on a 500 Gig HD. Could this be part of it.?? I have fixed permissions and run Macscan 1-2 a month to get rid of the tracking cookies. Dave -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The browsers will often freeze if the machine has been asleep for a while too. Dave On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:13 PM, David J Brooks wrote: > The last few months my browsers freeze up and i have to force quit and > shut down and restart. I have been avoiding the click bate sites but > sometime clicking on a video that has been shared seems to follow with > a freeze up. Just recently when i turn on the computer i get the grey > screen and no apple logo, i shut it off again and restart then it > seems to be ok. This jsut started last week. Old OS 10.6.8 plus my > browsers are not in line for up dates any more, Chrome and Firefox. > I'm down to 196 GIG on a 500 Gig HD. Could this be part of it.?? > I have fixed permissions and run Macscan 1-2 a month to get rid of the > tracking cookies. > > Dave > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The last few months my browsers freeze up and i have to force quit and shut down and restart. I have been avoiding the click bate sites but sometime clicking on a video that has been shared seems to follow with a freeze up. Just recently when i turn on the computer i get the grey screen and no apple logo, i shut it off again and restart then it seems to be ok. This jsut started last week. Old OS 10.6.8 plus my browsers are not in line for up dates any more, Chrome and Firefox. I'm down to 196 GIG on a 500 Gig HD. Could this be part of it.?? I have fixed permissions and run Macscan 1-2 a month to get rid of the tracking cookies. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Because those are not, unfortunately, in my current inventory of gadgets & stuff ... although, I just realized I don't need a crossover ethernet cable, I could just buy another ethernet hub & a spare monitor to get both up and running at the same time; share their drives to each other & copy the photos across. Maybe if I was going to keep both computers. But as soon as I get mom's photos off the hard-drive on the PC300PL, it's going to recycle. I'd run the recovery disk to restore the original preload & donate it to charity, but I don't think anyone will take anything as old as a Pentium III. On 3/3/2014 2:22 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: Why not put a crossover ethernet cable between two PCs? Or even an rs232 and an ancient copy of Laplink? B On 3 Mar 2014, at 17:18, "John" wrote: Pardon my RANT! [...] When they dumped mom's computer into the closet, they didn't do anything to retrieve mom's photos of family & grand-kids. And somehow they've managed to erase the photos I'd brought over to the Netvista from the PC300PL, so I have to recover the photos from both computers. Both computers have CD-ROM drives & USB ports. Neither has a writable CD drive. The Win98SE computer doesn't have drivers for ANY of the USB thumb drives that I have. I searched the net for legacy drivers, but so far NO JOY! I have to figure out a way to get the photos that are still on the PC300PL without being able to use a USB thumb drive. But I have a plan! I've got a USB hard-drive dock. All I have to do is remove the hard drives and attach them to the docking station. Except that I need the MOLEX cable to power the drives, and I don't have one. Gotta' go to the computer store and get one, and it's just started sleeting. The drives from the PC300PL are nominally 20GB (I had added a second drive for storage & there are photos on both drives. I don't know if it's worth buying external enclosures for them, but I probably should sooner rather than later because they're both IDE & I don't know how long IDE enclosures will still be available. Thank you for your time. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Why not put a crossover ethernet cable between two PCs? Or even an rs232 and an ancient copy of Laplink? B > On 3 Mar 2014, at 17:18, "John" wrote: > > Pardon my RANT! > > [...] > > When they dumped mom's computer into the closet, they didn't do anything to > retrieve mom's photos of family & grand-kids. And somehow they've managed to > erase the photos I'd brought over to the Netvista from the PC300PL, so I have > to recover the photos from both computers. > > Both computers have CD-ROM drives & USB ports. Neither has a writable CD > drive. The Win98SE computer doesn't have drivers for ANY of the USB thumb > drives that I have. I searched the net for legacy drivers, but so far NO JOY! > I have to figure out a way to get the photos that are still on the PC300PL > without being able to use a USB thumb drive. > > But I have a plan! > > I've got a USB hard-drive dock. All I have to do is remove the hard drives > and attach them to the docking station. > > Except that I need the MOLEX cable to power the drives, and I don't have one. > Gotta' go to the computer store and get one, and it's just started sleeting. > > The drives from the PC300PL are nominally 20GB (I had added a second drive > for storage & there are photos on both drives. I don't know if it's worth > buying external enclosures for them, but I probably should sooner rather than > later because they're both IDE & I don't know how long IDE enclosures will > still be available. > > Thank you for your time. > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That's what I ended up with, although all I really needed was a 4-pin Molex male to 4-pin Molex male cable - $2 cable the computer store sells for $12. I've already got one of these: http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Drive-Docking-Station-2-5in/dp/B002UAR8JY/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8&qid=1393872041&sr=8-21&keywords=hard+drive+docking+station http://tinyurl.com/pp5uck7 ... (without the international mains cables), but I've misplaced the IDE power cable (top left), and I have other things I need to do instead of tearing the house apart looking for that *&#&$ cable. I thought I could just buy one to get the job done, but all they had in stock was Molex female to Molex male extension cables. OTOH, I got to the store & found something that will work. I got my rental car turned in & I'm back home without having a wreck & mom's photos are transferring as I write. I should have my car back from the shop this afternoon, and if it's not ready until tomorrow morning, there's no where I need to go today (including the shop that has my car) that I can't easily reach on foot even if the storm gets worse & we get significant accumulations of sleet. In fact, I just got a call & my car's ready. On 3/3/2014 1:27 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote: Get one of these - a SATA/IDE to USB adapter - it's saved my bacon on more than one occasion. http://www.amazon.com/Vantec-CB-ISATAU2-Supports-2-5-Inch-5-25-Inch/dp/B000J01I1G/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1393871016&sr=8-2&keywords=sata+ide+to+usb+cable http://tinyurl.com/kr9resv -p On 3/3/2014 11:16 AM, John wrote: Pardon my RANT! My sisters were always complaining that my mom's computer was "TOO SLOW". I had previously replaced her older computer (IBM PC300PL - Pentium 3, Windoze98SE) with an IBM Netvista (Pentium 4, WindozeXP Pro) & copied all her important stuff over from the older computer. Recently they decided that still wasn't good enough, so they unceremoniously stuffed it in a closet & replaced it with some piece of shit the older of the two got from the IT guys where she worked. It's even slower than the Netvista partly because it's running WindozeVista and more importantly because they LOAD IT UP WITH CRAP the same way they did the other two computers. There's not enough room left on the hard-drive for the swap file. The "new" computers were only faster until they filled the hard-drives with junk. And if they think I'm going to work on it for them, they can "GFY". They've got it set up so I can't even install the automatic updates for security patches. Mom doesn't really need a computer any more. She only wanted one so she could run AOL for email back & forth with her sister. My aunt died last year and mom no longer has anyone she wants to email. But, as Arlo Guthrie says about half-way through "Alice's Restaurant", "That's not what I came here to talk about... When they dumped mom's computer into the closet, they didn't do anything to retrieve mom's photos of family & grand-kids. And somehow they've managed to erase the photos I'd brought over to the Netvista from the PC300PL, so I have to recover the photos from both computers. Both computers have CD-ROM drives & USB ports. Neither has a writable CD drive. The Win98SE computer doesn't have drivers for ANY of the USB thumb drives that I have. I searched the net for legacy drivers, but so far NO JOY! I have to figure out a way to get the photos that are still on the PC300PL without being able to use a USB thumb drive. But I have a plan! I've got a USB hard-drive dock. All I have to do is remove the hard drives and attach them to the docking station. Except that I need the MOLEX cable to power the drives, and I don't have one. Gotta' go to the computer store and get one, and it's just started sleeting. The drives from the PC300PL are nominally 20GB (I had added a second drive for storage & there are photos on both drives. I don't know if it's worth buying external enclosures for them, but I probably should sooner rather than later because they're both IDE & I don't know how long IDE enclosures will still be available. Thank you for your time. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Get one of these - a SATA/IDE to USB adapter - it's saved my bacon on more than one occasion. http://www.amazon.com/Vantec-CB-ISATAU2-Supports-2-5-Inch-5-25-Inch/dp/B000J01I1G/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1393871016&sr=8-2&keywords=sata+ide+to+usb+cable http://tinyurl.com/kr9resv -p On 3/3/2014 11:16 AM, John wrote: Pardon my RANT! My sisters were always complaining that my mom's computer was "TOO SLOW". I had previously replaced her older computer (IBM PC300PL - Pentium 3, Windoze98SE) with an IBM Netvista (Pentium 4, WindozeXP Pro) & copied all her important stuff over from the older computer. Recently they decided that still wasn't good enough, so they unceremoniously stuffed it in a closet & replaced it with some piece of shit the older of the two got from the IT guys where she worked. It's even slower than the Netvista partly because it's running WindozeVista and more importantly because they LOAD IT UP WITH CRAP the same way they did the other two computers. There's not enough room left on the hard-drive for the swap file. The "new" computers were only faster until they filled the hard-drives with junk. And if they think I'm going to work on it for them, they can "GFY". They've got it set up so I can't even install the automatic updates for security patches. Mom doesn't really need a computer any more. She only wanted one so she could run AOL for email back & forth with her sister. My aunt died last year and mom no longer has anyone she wants to email. But, as Arlo Guthrie says about half-way through "Alice's Restaurant", "That's not what I came here to talk about... When they dumped mom's computer into the closet, they didn't do anything to retrieve mom's photos of family & grand-kids. And somehow they've managed to erase the photos I'd brought over to the Netvista from the PC300PL, so I have to recover the photos from both computers. Both computers have CD-ROM drives & USB ports. Neither has a writable CD drive. The Win98SE computer doesn't have drivers for ANY of the USB thumb drives that I have. I searched the net for legacy drivers, but so far NO JOY! I have to figure out a way to get the photos that are still on the PC300PL without being able to use a USB thumb drive. But I have a plan! I've got a USB hard-drive dock. All I have to do is remove the hard drives and attach them to the docking station. Except that I need the MOLEX cable to power the drives, and I don't have one. Gotta' go to the computer store and get one, and it's just started sleeting. The drives from the PC300PL are nominally 20GB (I had added a second drive for storage & there are photos on both drives. I don't know if it's worth buying external enclosures for them, but I probably should sooner rather than later because they're both IDE & I don't know how long IDE enclosures will still be available. Thank you for your time. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Pardon my RANT! My sisters were always complaining that my mom's computer was "TOO SLOW". I had previously replaced her older computer (IBM PC300PL - Pentium 3, Windoze98SE) with an IBM Netvista (Pentium 4, WindozeXP Pro) & copied all her important stuff over from the older computer. Recently they decided that still wasn't good enough, so they unceremoniously stuffed it in a closet & replaced it with some piece of shit the older of the two got from the IT guys where she worked. It's even slower than the Netvista partly because it's running WindozeVista and more importantly because they LOAD IT UP WITH CRAP the same way they did the other two computers. There's not enough room left on the hard-drive for the swap file. The "new" computers were only faster until they filled the hard-drives with junk. And if they think I'm going to work on it for them, they can "GFY". They've got it set up so I can't even install the automatic updates for security patches. Mom doesn't really need a computer any more. She only wanted one so she could run AOL for email back & forth with her sister. My aunt died last year and mom no longer has anyone she wants to email. But, as Arlo Guthrie says about half-way through "Alice's Restaurant", "That's not what I came here to talk about... When they dumped mom's computer into the closet, they didn't do anything to retrieve mom's photos of family & grand-kids. And somehow they've managed to erase the photos I'd brought over to the Netvista from the PC300PL, so I have to recover the photos from both computers. Both computers have CD-ROM drives & USB ports. Neither has a writable CD drive. The Win98SE computer doesn't have drivers for ANY of the USB thumb drives that I have. I searched the net for legacy drivers, but so far NO JOY! I have to figure out a way to get the photos that are still on the PC300PL without being able to use a USB thumb drive. But I have a plan! I've got a USB hard-drive dock. All I have to do is remove the hard drives and attach them to the docking station. Except that I need the MOLEX cable to power the drives, and I don't have one. Gotta' go to the computer store and get one, and it's just started sleeting. The drives from the PC300PL are nominally 20GB (I had added a second drive for storage & there are photos on both drives. I don't know if it's worth buying external enclosures for them, but I probably should sooner rather than later because they're both IDE & I don't know how long IDE enclosures will still be available. Thank you for your time. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
