Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male

2010-08-16 Thread John Sessoms
From: Walter Gilbert I think maybe I'll just take another picture. On 8/15/2010 11:14 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: All that you may do to make the bokeh and bright background more to your liking doesn't take away from the fact that the subject is leading your eye out of the frame. That's

Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male

2010-08-16 Thread Walter Gilbert
I gave that a shot last night, but the results were less than stellar. It's a fairly severe crop as-is, and I'll have to resize it down to a pretty small image to make it look half-decent. I think I'll just have to make this one an ongoing project to return to from time to time. Right now,

PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male

2010-08-15 Thread Walter Gilbert
Hi all, Just wanted to post an image and get some quick advice on it. It's one of my favorites of all that I've taken, but there's something about it that almost ruins the shot for me: the bokeh.

Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male

2010-08-15 Thread Brendan MacRae
List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 10:30:01 AM Subject: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male Hi all, Just wanted to post an image and get some quick advice on it.  It's one of my favorites of all that I've taken, but there's something about it that almost ruins the shot for me

Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male

2010-08-15 Thread Walter Gilbert
Brendan, Thanks for the tip. I've needed to learn more about working with layers for a while now. This seems like a good excuse to get started. I've toyed with using graduated tint and soft focus a bit, and that seems to help it somewhat. But, I can't seem to get the look right without

Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male

2010-08-15 Thread Jack Davis
, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: From: Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com Subject: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 10:30 AM Hi all, Just wanted to post an image and get some quick advice on it.  It's one of my

Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male

2010-08-15 Thread Walter Gilbert
Hi Jack, That's essentially what I was getting at. Not so much the bokeh, but the lack thereof, I suppose. I was hoping to figure out a way to tone down the background a bit without losing the vivid colors of the bird. I think Brendan has given me the solution to that. Best, Walt On

Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male

2010-08-15 Thread Jack Davis
Use the PS color selector in the Enhance menu(?) Adjust: Hue/saturation. Jack --- On Sun, 8/15/10, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: From: Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, August 15

Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male

2010-08-15 Thread Walter Gilbert
I'm just about there, I think. I lost a little detail in the bird, but it's looking better. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/4894422841/lightbox/ On 8/15/2010 1:59 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Use the PS color selector in the Enhance menu(?) Adjust: Hue/saturation. Jack --- On Sun,

Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male

2010-08-15 Thread Jack Davis
I agree, the background does look better. Jack --- On Sun, 8/15/10, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: From: Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 12:13 PM   I'm just

Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male

2010-08-15 Thread Rick Womer
Well, now the bird's head has a dark halo around it, which I find distracting. Oversharpening, or an artifact of layering? Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Sun, 8/15/10, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: From: Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO: Eastern

Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male

2010-08-15 Thread Walter Gilbert
Hi Rick, In all likelihood, it's from over-sharpening. The original was immensely noisy (at least to my eye), and when I did some noise reduction, I of course lost some detail, which I tried to get back with unsharp mask. I likely overdid it a bit. Don't know how much I'll be able to

Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male

2010-08-15 Thread P. J. Alling
Make that a layer, paste it over the original in Photoshop use the eraser tool with a soft edge pattern to allow the detail you want to preserve to show through. It's a bit of work, not exactly automatic, but I don't know of an easier way to accomplish your goal. On 8/15/2010 3:13 PM,

Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male

2010-08-15 Thread Walter Gilbert
Thanks, P.J. I'll give that a shot. I'm an EXTREMELY inexperienced Photoshop user. Only recently got a copy of 7.0 that a friend of mine had left over from his camera shop that he closed down. I've been browsing through tutorials left and right ever since. One of these days, I'm going to

Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male

2010-08-15 Thread Rick Womer
--- On Sun, 8/15/10, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rick, In all likelihood, it's from over-sharpening.  The original was immensely noisy (at least to my eye), and when I did some noise reduction, I of course lost some detail, which I tried to get back with unsharp mask.  I

Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male

2010-08-15 Thread John Sessoms
From: Walter Gilbert Hi Jack, That's essentially what I was getting at. Not so much the bokeh, but the lack thereof, I suppose. I was hoping to figure out a way to tone down the background a bit without losing the vivid colors of the bird. I think Brendan has given me the solution to that.

Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male

2010-08-15 Thread Walter Gilbert
That's definitely true ... the reason I had to do so much sharpening to make the image somewhat presentable after the noise reduction. Bluebirds have been my biggest challenge, and that's the reason I've been so married to that shot. It took me a a whole lot of trying to get one where the

Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male

2010-08-15 Thread Joseph McAllister
All that you may do to make the bokeh and bright background more to your liking doesn't take away from the fact that the subject is leading your eye out of the frame. That's where it fails as far as I'm concerned. You could copy and clone the left 1/3 of the image out and paste it with

Re: PESO: Eastern Bluebird - Male

2010-08-15 Thread Walter Gilbert
I think maybe I'll just take another picture. On 8/15/2010 11:14 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: All that you may do to make the bokeh and bright background more to your liking doesn't take away from the fact that the subject is leading your eye out of the frame. That's where it fails as far as