Re: Geso - Salon des Refusés
I am still puzzled by the Pentax review process. I just had three images that were held under review for 2 weeks after others submitted at the same time were declined. Yesterday, all three were declined, and one that was submitted less than 2 weeks ago was approved. Ann, I suggest that you re-submit some of those great images that were declined. I noticed, for example that in some of my rejected images, the point of interest did not show up in the thumbnail. I re-cropped them so that the good bits would be included in the thumbnail, and the voters could see enough to make them want to view the full image. (I suspect that many look at the thumbs, and vote to reject on that basis alone.) Also, on some I brightened the image or increased the contrast a bit beyond what I thought ideal, and that has worked in a few cases. Remember that not everyone has a perfectly calibrated monitor, and certainly not a monitor calibrated just like mine. Also, cropping to make the focus of interest more dominant (even at the expense of what I thought was the best composition) has worked in one or two cases of images I really liked that were initially rejected. Not everyone shares my concept of proper composition, and many seem to vote for a clear and catchy image rather than one with good composition that must be studied for a moment or two to find the focus of interest and the theme of the photograph. Of course, in MY files, I keep the original image that I still like better, if that is the case. I must admit, however, that several of my images have been substantially improved by the process of re-processing them for the Pentax Gallery, That is why I still do it. Dan -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola 2011/3/8 David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz: On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:26 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Whereas in any such gallery like PPG the decisions are made just by a few individuals, whose idea of what a good photograph is may be, well, let me say - somewhat distorted. If I had my way it'd be all cat photos. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Geso - Salon des Refusés
Dan... Intersting point about the thumbnails... while I might rescan to get a better quality file (and/or not go the route of scaling them down myself just for my submissions) I'm not inclined to crop anything, especially from this collection, just to get in that gallery. Nor would I change them in anyway that didn't look good to me, though I certainly listen to and consider suggestions people I respect on our list make about them but I'd never change them just to please someone else... I've got to be convinced they are right ;-) Of the 4 that got in, one of them (The one at versailles of the people walking away from the camera) is one I considered I did a poor job of scanning. While one of my favorite new photos was declined in a second. So... its shooting craps as far as I can see. Fortunately, one can see the way the thumbnails will look to the other photogs when one submits them... But I'm frankly rather surprised that the PPG allows people to vote on the thumbnails.. there should be some mechanism that keeps that from happening. Though when I've been voting I skip out without voting on any of the 5 on a page if it looks like I'm not going to be interested in any single image there, I confess. (especially if I did a few pages already) I'm glad that the thumbnails are seen in the correct proportion on that site, though. I don't understand at all why when a good 90% of photogs (just guessing here, but it seems so) are producing their original images in othe aspect ratios. A couple of the ones I put up were sign shots, and it occurs to me that unless there is a very strong visual not associated with the sign as such in the photo (which is what I strive for anyway) I can see them rejecting those, given the international scope of the list... My next batch (aside from the few that are still sitting there waiting for review) will probably be more recent color stuff or possibly some older color work .. but I'm sure not going to scale down the photos for them - I'll send in my smugmug sized ones so I'm not doing double work :-) I apologize if anyone is annoyed I left all of waht Dan wrote in, but I want to keep that, and my SENT mail is my way of keeping mail. ann Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I am still puzzled by the Pentax review process. I just had three images that were held under review for 2 weeks after others submitted at the same time were declined. Yesterday, all three were declined, and one that was submitted less than 2 weeks ago was approved. Ann, I suggest that you re-submit some of those great images that were declined. I noticed, for example that in some of my rejected images, the point of interest did not show up in the thumbnail. I re-cropped them so that the good bits would be included in the thumbnail, and the voters could see enough to make them want to view the full image. (I suspect that many look at the thumbs, and vote to reject on that basis alone.) Also, on some I brightened the image or increased the contrast a bit beyond what I thought ideal, and that has worked in a few cases. Remember that not everyone has a perfectly calibrated monitor, and certainly not a monitor calibrated just like mine. Also, cropping to make the focus of interest more dominant (even at the expense of what I thought was the best composition) has worked in one or two cases of images I really liked that were initially rejected. Not everyone shares my concept of proper composition, and many seem to vote for a clear and catchy image rather than one with good composition that must be studied for a moment or two to find the focus of interest and the theme of the photograph. Of course, in MY files, I keep the original image that I still like better, if that is the case. I must admit, however, that several of my images have been substantially improved by the process of re-processing them for the Pentax Gallery, That is why I still do it. Dan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Geso - Salon des Refusés
Replying to myself to edit this comment: Ann Sanfedele wrote: I'm glad that the thumbnails are seen in the correct proportion on that site, though. I don't understand at all why when a good 90% of photogs (just guessing here, but it seems so) are producing their original images in othe aspect ratios. that most of the photo hosting sites on line show only square thumbnails... in fact, that's the default in smugmug and I have to keep changing it for my stuff. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Geso - Salon des Refusés
Although the thumbnails are properly proportioned in the voting process, once an image is placed in the gallery, it gets a square thumbnail. One of my favorite images, the Garden Walk from Villa San Michelle on Capri, make the gallery on the first submission. Now, the thumbnail now on the gallery shows only the foliage in the upper portion of the image, but none of the walkway or the walker: http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTISTsubSection=1309043subSubSection=5249634language=EN Dan 2011/3/8 Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com: Replying to myself to edit this comment: Ann Sanfedele wrote: I'm glad that the thumbnails are seen in the correct proportion on that site, though. I don't understand at all why when a good 90% of photogs (just guessing here, but it seems so) are producing their original images in othe aspect ratios. that most of the photo hosting sites on line show only square thumbnails... in fact, that's the default in smugmug and I have to keep changing it for my stuff. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Geso - Salon des Refusés
ah but your landscape oriented ones are not square nor are mine. seems jsut to mess up verticals ann Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Although the thumbnails are properly proportioned in the voting process, once an image is placed in the gallery, it gets a square thumbnail. One of my favorite images, the Garden Walk from Villa San Michelle on Capri, make the gallery on the first submission. Now, the thumbnail now on the gallery shows only the foliage in the upper portion of the image, but none of the walkway or the walker: http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTISTsubSection=1309043subSubSection=5249634language=EN Dan 2011/3/8 Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com: Replying to myself to edit this comment: Ann Sanfedele wrote: I'm glad that the thumbnails are seen in the correct proportion on that site, though. I don't understand at all why when a good 90% of photogs (just guessing here, but it seems so) are producing their original images in othe aspect ratios. that most of the photo hosting sites on line show only square thumbnails... in fact, that's the default in smugmug and I have to keep changing it for my stuff. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Geso - Salon des Refusés
True. I find that some of my rejections relate to the purpose of the image. I had two diner interiors that I really love rejected by Pentax. That made me take a hard look at them. They were taken for my diner blog, and both the original exposure and the modifications in PhotoShop were done with that in mind. They were structured to capture and display as much of the diner details as possible. I realized that most viewers at the Pentax gallery are not interested in diners, except perhaps when they are hungry. I therefore re-processed the images to give more emphasis on the people in the shots, and to crop out some of the details that are interesting to a diner buff, but do not add to the composition of the image as an image. In the case of a shot inside a railway car style diner, I cropped out two tables of diners to bring the most interesting person in the frame to the forefront. That gave it broader interest and appeal, and it got into the Pentax Gallery after those revisions. I think that the challenge of getting image that I like in the Pentax Gallery serves a useful purpose, by making me rethink my decisions about an image I like and trying to find ways to improve it and give it broader appeal. Dan 2011/3/8 Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com: ah but your landscape oriented ones are not square nor are mine. seems jsut to mess up verticals ann Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Although the thumbnails are properly proportioned in the voting process, once an image is placed in the gallery, it gets a square thumbnail. One of my favorite images, the Garden Walk from Villa San Michelle on Capri, make the gallery on the first submission. Now, the thumbnail now on the gallery shows only the foliage in the upper portion of the image, but none of the walkway or the walker: http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTISTsubSection=1309043subSubSection=5249634language=EN Dan 2011/3/8 Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com: Replying to myself to edit this comment: Ann Sanfedele wrote: I'm glad that the thumbnails are seen in the correct proportion on that site, though. I don't understand at all why when a good 90% of photogs (just guessing here, but it seems so) are producing their original images in othe aspect ratios. that most of the photo hosting sites on line show only square thumbnails... in fact, that's the default in smugmug and I have to keep changing it for my stuff. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Geso - Salon des Refusés
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:52:07 -0500, you wrote: True. I find that some of my rejections relate to the purpose of the image. It helps to always remember that the purpose of the Pentax Photo Gallery is to sell camera gear. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Geso - Salon des Refusés
[...] I think that the challenge of getting image that I like in the Pentax Gallery serves a useful purpose, by making me rethink my decisions about an image I like and trying to find ways to improve it and give it broader appeal. Dan that's a very worthwhile attitude to take to this sort of thing. I have the same approach to getting RPS Distinctions, when I can be bothered - it's quite difficult. But you have to be careful not to bend over so far to please someone else that you start making photographs that are not really your own. A big problem with this sort of thing is that it tends to reduce photography towards a Ken Rockwellish lowest common denominator. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, I never discard the original that I made to suit my own tastes or for my diner blog or travel blog. Different versions for different purposes. Re-editing for the PPG is an educational process for me, just like posting PESOs here are reviewing the comments and suggestions. I am old enough, and stubborn enough, that I am in no real danger of changing my personal tastes and standards to suit others. It's useful on many levels, however, to find out how others react to an image I created. Dan 2011/3/8 Bob W p...@web-options.com: [...] I think that the challenge of getting image that I like in the Pentax Gallery serves a useful purpose, by making me rethink my decisions about an image I like and trying to find ways to improve it and give it broader appeal. Dan that's a very worthwhile attitude to take to this sort of thing. I have the same approach to getting RPS Distinctions, when I can be bothered - it's quite difficult. But you have to be careful not to bend over so far to please someone else that you start making photographs that are not really your own. A big problem with this sort of thing is that it tends to reduce photography towards a Ken Rockwellish lowest common denominator. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Geso - Salon des Refusés
Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Well, I never discard the original that I made to suit my own tastes or for my diner blog or travel blog. Different versions for different purposes. Re-editing for the PPG is an educational process for me, just like posting PESOs here are reviewing the comments and suggestions. ** I am old enough, and stubborn enough, that I am in no real danger of changing my personal tastes and standards to suit others. Mark - and attribute to both Dan and me :-) ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/6/2011 9:36 PM, Bob W wrote: whoever rejected those doesn't know a good photo from a bite on the ass. B Despite being probably another example of Her Majesty Lingva, I totally agree with Bob's sentiment. These are excellent photos, Ann. Whereas in any such gallery like PPG the decisions are made just by a few individuals, whose idea of what a good photograph is may be, well, let me say - somewhat distorted. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Enjoyed them all. You was robbed., Dave 2011/3/6 Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com: The first 7 photos here were dropped into my Declined folder on the PPG :-( http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-City-back-in-the-day/5908739_3pLhP None of the others that you can see here were submitted (I hid a couple from view that were still up there waiting for review) The annoying thing is that I was resizing to meet the requirements - I'm thinking now I should upload the files just as I load them to my smugmug folders and let them resize. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:26 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Whereas in any such gallery like PPG the decisions are made just by a few individuals, whose idea of what a good photograph is may be, well, let me say - somewhat distorted. If I had my way it'd be all cat photos. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Geso - Salon des Refusés
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele The first 7 photos here were dropped into my Declined folder on the PPG :-( http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-City-back-in- the-day/5908739_3pLhP I think that tells us rather a lot about the judges. B None of the others that you can see here were submitted (I hid a couple from view that were still up there waiting for review) The annoying thing is that I was resizing to meet the requirements - I'm thinking now I should upload the files just as I load them to my smugmug folders and let them resize. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele The first 7 photos here were dropped into my Declined folder on the PPG :-( http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-City-back-in- the-day/5908739_3pLhP I think that tells us rather a lot about the judges. B thanks :-) Thought it odd that 10 suddenly appeared all at once... sounds like I got through us but got rejected by the staff oh well ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Some excellent photos there. The Pentax Gallery criteria is hard to predict, although over-saturated landscapes seem to be a shoe-in. Paul On Mar 6, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele The first 7 photos here were dropped into my Declined folder on the PPG :-( http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-City-back-in- the-day/5908739_3pLhP I think that tells us rather a lot about the judges. B thanks :-) Thought it odd that 10 suddenly appeared all at once... sounds like I got through us but got rejected by the staff oh well ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I rather like the ironic whimsy of the Criminal Courts Building - 1980 with it's unintended admonishment to Lead a clean life. On 3/6/2011 12:37 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: The first 7 photos here were dropped into my Declined folder on the PPG :-( http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-City-back-in-the-day/5908739_3pLhP None of the others that you can see here were submitted (I hid a couple from view that were still up there waiting for review) The annoying thing is that I was resizing to meet the requirements - I'm thinking now I should upload the files just as I load them to my smugmug folders and let them resize. ann -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele The first 7 photos here were dropped into my Declined folder on the PPG :-( http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-City-back- in- the-day/5908739_3pLhP I think that tells us rather a lot about the judges. B thanks :-) Thought it odd that 10 suddenly appeared all at once... sounds like I got through us but got rejected by the staff oh well ann whoever rejected those doesn't know a good photo from a bite on the ass. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele The first 7 photos here were dropped into my Declined folder on the PPG :-( http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-City-back- in- the-day/5908739_3pLhP I think that tells us rather a lot about the judges. B thanks :-) Thought it odd that 10 suddenly appeared all at once... sounds like I got through us but got rejected by the staff oh well ann whoever rejected those doesn't know a good photo from a bite on the ass. B Well but sometimes... :-) ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
