On Sep 14, 2004, at 10:49 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:
Me too, buffer is better but they can stick the SD card up their Rs.
I've just had a read of the DPReview preview.
Biggest pluses for me:
USB2.0 (the article mentions a FireWire port later on but as this isn't
listed in the specifications I'll
On Sep 14, 2004, at 1:45 AM, John Francis wrote:
But you weren't beside me at Laguna
Seca in turn 4 in 2000 (I believe) listening to my PZ-1p rewind when
all
of a sudden Paul Tracy lost it, bounced across the gravel trap, and
went
into the tyre barrier.
No, but I was. It was a frightening
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:33:20 +0200, Antonio wrote:
Anyone know if the K-lens compatibility is improved on the *istDs?
The spec mention the K-lenses' can be used with some limitations.
The same custom-function to allow the shutter to fire
with non-A setting is also there.
However, there is no
They could use the AE-L button instead...
Alex Sarbu
--- Jan van Wijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:33:20 +0200, Antonio wrote:
Anyone know if the K-lens compatibility is improved
on the *istDs?
The spec mention the K-lenses' can be used with
some limitations.
I think the uncluttered body will appeal to many. Not to me (I
usually need to change settings via hard switches, not button+colour
LCD, which draws too much attention to you when it lights up)
though. Still, for the intended market, it looks great. Good they kept
the big viewfinder! SD cards may
Come on, people!
The *ist-DS is the digital version of the MZ-6! But,
unlike the MZ-6, it has a good viewfinder... (that's
my main compliant regarding MZ-6)
Now I hate Pentax; they really wants to take my money
:(
In fact, I don't think I'll buy the *ist-DS (I don't
want to switch to digital
Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Me too, buffer is better but they can stick the SD card up their Rs.
I can't see many *ist D owners running out to buy one as a back-up body.
Well of *course* not! They don't *want* ist-D owners to buy the
cheaper camera! It's meant for an entirely
Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cotty wrote:
It's aimed at would-be 300D
owners!
Nope. That SD thingie suggests it's aimed at Optio users.
Even better: It's aimed at Nikon/Canon/Minolta digiam owners!
evil grin
It reminds me of the ME-Super... not that much features, but small and
working.
Fra
Rim shot. ;-)
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_s500.asp
This is their smallest decent digicam. And *it is* very small. Takes CF.
They do have some SD digicams - those in the $200 price range.
Nikon is in about the same situation, SD for the entry level and CF from
there up to the
Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rim shot. ;-)
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_s500.asp
This is their smallest decent digicam. And *it is* very small. Takes CF.
They do have some SD digicams - those in the $200 price range.
Nikon is in about the same situation, SD for the
And, without a doubt that is just the market it is aimed at.
--
Bruce Dayton wrote:
That is pretty much my take also. It looks very similar to my
daughter's film *ist. She is a big candidate for it. I'm sure in the
not too distant future I'll be getting one for her.
The SD card situation for it
Frantisek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It reminds me of the ME-Super... not that much features, but small and
working.
Good analogy. Cameras like the ME Super were sneered at by purists
when they first appeared but they sold millions.
Could the ist-SD be the ME Super of digital SLR's? Pentax could
Jan van Wijk wrote:
However, there is no green-button so I am not sure how
you would trigger the metering with a K lens ...
With a half-press of the shutter release, perhaps? After all, you won't
be doing much autofocussing with a K lens...
S
I always thought that Canon Nikon are mainstream and not the exceptions.
I don't care about what kind of memory is used in Fukumoro brand
cameras, MP3 players, voice recorders or cell phones.
And BTW the largest selling memory format is DIMM.
Just a bad morning here and feeling irreverent ;-)
On 14/9/04, Steve Jolly, discombobulated, unleashed:
Cotty wrote:
Very small size. Good.
I would consider one as a pocket camera.
Especially with that new pancake lens, that would be fantastic...
S
Hmmm. I would have one with a 20mm lor a 24mm lens attached I think. That
pancake would be
Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I always thought that Canon Nikon are mainstream and not the exceptions.
Yeah, but most Nikonr consumer cams and quite a few Canons use SD
cards. In terms of sales volume the balance is in favor of SD even
amongst these two makes. (Sony is actually the biggest
On 14 Sep 2004 at 8:00, Mark Roberts wrote:
Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Me too, buffer is better but they can stick the SD card up their Rs.
I can't see many *ist D owners running out to buy one as a back-up body.
Well of *course* not! They don't *want* ist-D owners to buy the
Sony is now using CF in some models, along with Mem Stik
Shel
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Sony is actually the biggest selling digital
camera brand, IIRC and they use their own Memory Stick cards).
The price of the 300D has already been tubling in the UK for a few
months now. The 10D seems to be getting close to freefall now too...
It is hard to see how Pentax could possibly undercut their competition
as things stand, which is why I am glad they seem to have taken a
fresher approach by
The best one for that action is Sony's Memory Stick ;-)
Rob Studdert wrote:
Me too, buffer is better but they can stick the SD card up their Rs.
Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The price of the 300D has already been tubling in the UK for a few
months now. The 10D seems to be getting close to freefall now too...
It is hard to see how Pentax could possibly undercut their competition
as things stand, which is why I am glad they seem
On 14 Sep 2004 at 15:53, Rob Brigham wrote:
The price of the 300D has already been tubling in the UK for a few
months now. The 10D seems to be getting close to freefall now too...
There is an AUD200 cash back on the 300Ds at the moment, I've got a flyer in
front of me quoting AUD1790 for the
On 14 Sep 2004 at 11:08, Mark Roberts wrote:
If the baby-D is built as well as the original, it'll be a better buy
than the Rebel even if Canon does lower the price. It sounds like the
construction of the ist-Ds feels as good as the ist-D, from the sounds
of the DPreview article.
I hope
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On 14 Sep 2004 at 15:53, Rob Brigham wrote:
The price of the 300D has already been tubling in the UK for a few
months now. The 10D seems to be getting close to freefall
now too
May I suggest you to check the 20D too once it's out.
Rob Studdert wrote:
I hope not. Feel as in the feel in the hand is one thing but the button
feedback and response on the *ist D sucks, I've got my *ist D and a 300D in my
hands at the moment. I've spent a lot of time cursing the *ist D
Paul Stenquist mused:
On Sep 14, 2004, at 1:45 AM, John Francis wrote:
But you weren't beside me at Laguna
Seca in turn 4 in 2000 (I believe) listening to my PZ-1p rewind when
all
of a sudden Paul Tracy lost it, bounced across the gravel trap, and
went
into the tyre barrier.
No, we're so disgusted we're quiet.
They must be joking.
Peter Loveday wrote:
Well, having read the *ist-Ds preview on dpreview.com, I thought I'd
have to catch up on thousands of comments here. But not one? Is the
list working? :)
All I can say is, while its nice to have another DSLR in the
On 14 Sep 2004 at 7:54, Peter Loveday wrote:
Well, having read the *ist-Ds preview on dpreview.com, I thought I'd have to
catch up on thousands of comments here. But not one? Is the list working? :)
All I can say is, while its nice to have another DSLR in the fold, I'm glad I
have a
On 14/9/04, Peter Loveday, discombobulated, unleashed:
Well, having read the *ist-Ds preview on dpreview.com, I thought I'd have to
catch up on thousands of comments here. But not one? Is the list working?
:)
All I can say is, while its nice to have another DSLR in the fold, I'm glad
I have
On 14/9/04, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:
I can't see many *ist D owners running out to buy one as a back-up body.
Most won't. It's not aimed at *ist D owners. It's aimed at would-be 300D
owners!
Cheers,
Cotty
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Nope. That SD thingie suggests it's aimed at Optio users.
Cotty wrote:
It's aimed at would-be 300D
owners!
On 13/9/04, Caveman, discombobulated, unleashed:
Nope. That SD thingie suggests it's aimed at Optio users.
Cotty wrote:
It's aimed at would-be 300D
owners!
Yes, fair point
Cheers,
Cotty
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On 13 Sep 2004 at 19:00, Caveman wrote:
Nope. That SD thingie suggests it's aimed at Optio users.
At least they listened to the punters a little:
Wider range of exposure comp, wider range for sat, sharpness and contrast,
wider dioptre setting range, higher res rear display, better designed
Just took a quick look at the preview, and the camera, at first glance,
looks like a nice step up from the PS and some prosumer models, and is
certainly something that I'd consider as a first foray int DSLR territory.
I'm disappointed that there's no CF card, but in truth, I'm not sure why.
I
Message-
From: Caveman[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14/09/04 00:00:02
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: What, no *ist-Ds messages?
Nope. That SD thingie suggests it's aimed at Optio users.
Cotty wrote:
It's aimed at would-be 300D
owners!
I agree. It sounds like a well featured entry level DSLR. It's nice
that it has a slightly better LCD screen and a higher flash synch
speed. (Still not fast enough, but better than *istD.) My only
reservation is the SD card format. That will eliminate it as a possible
backup to an *istD.
Paul
Cotty wrote:
On 14/9/04, Peter Loveday, discombobulated, unleashed:
Well, having read the *ist-Ds preview on dpreview.com, I thought I'd have to
catch up on thousands of comments here. But not one? Is the list working?
:)
All I can say is, while its nice to have another DSLR in the fold,
I'd say it was aimed at both, (which probably means that it will miss both).
Cotty wrote:
On 13/9/04, Caveman, discombobulated, unleashed:
Nope. That SD thingie suggests it's aimed at Optio users.
Cotty wrote:
It's aimed at would-be 300D
owners!
Yes, fair point
Cheers,
Cotty
On 13 Sep 2004 at 16:14, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
So, assuming one doesn't
have an investment in CF cards, what's the downside to using the SD cards? Do
the little PS Pentax digis used the SD cards? If so, makes perfect sense, up
to a point, for Pentax to continue using them in the istDS.
Caveman thinks that we should revise the Rangefinder bad SLR good
school of thought. With some rare exceptions, it was valid in the 35 mm
film days, when we were invaded by hords of dubious quality PS cameras.
Things have changed, give me some less noise at high ISO speed and less
shutter lag
Shel, I often carry a LX and a MX as backup, sort of a High/Low
strategy. If the something horrible happens to my LX I can still use
all of my film and lenses with the MX. Be a bit difficult to squeeze
the CF card into the backup camera if you want to do the same thing
with digital. Still if
On 13 Sep 2004 at 17:32, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
How did you handle such situations when shooting film, with only 36 (or
less) exposures. I seem to recall seeing many nice photos from you, quite
a few perhaps taken under such extreme conditions.
Like you I guess there is a lot of material you
On 13 Sep 2004 at 20:49, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Anyone who has ever changed film in a Barnack camera while standing on
a street corner at night will never complain about having to change
flash cards.
I can load M series cameras confidently with my eyes closed in less time it
takes to load
Rob Studdert mused:
On 14 Sep 2004 at 7:54, Peter Loveday wrote:
Well, having read the *ist-Ds preview on dpreview.com, I thought I'd have to
catch up on thousands of comments here. But not one? Is the list working? :)
All I can say is, while its nice to have another DSLR in the
Worse: Appears not to have separate wheels for aperture and shutter
speed either. One wheel and a button...
(I don't think I like the picture modes but some others may).
Christian wrote:
My quick response: better = USB 2. faster FPS and bigger buffer. Larger
LCD, faster synch, better
To paraphrase any number of photogs: There are no photos when I'm changing
film. IAC, there will always be missed shots, either by accident or
intent. I don't quite understand the mentality of having to capture
everything ;-))
Shel
It's interesting to
observe that some combat
LOL
Shel
Anyone who has ever changed film in a Barnack camera while standing on
a street corner at night will never complain about having to change
flash cards.
Peter J. Alling wrote:
Shel, I often carry a LX and a MX as backup, sort of a High/Low
strategy. If the something horrible happens to my LX I can still use
all of my film and lenses with the MX. Be a bit difficult to squeeze
the CF card into the backup camera if you want to do the same thing
Rob Studdert wrote:
On 13 Sep 2004 at 19:38, Caveman wrote:
Caveman thinks that we should revise the Rangefinder bad SLR good
school of thought. With some rare exceptions, it was valid in the 35 mm
film days, when we were invaded by hords of dubious quality PS cameras.
Things have changed,
Hi Rob ...
The Barnacks are quite a bit different than the M cameras, and the early M
cameras are quite a bit different than the M4 and subsequent models. But
that's not really the point here, is it?
Again, it's really about what works for the individual photographer.
Everyone's style, subject
Hear, hear! Well said, Sir!
In point of fact, I wouldn't have my present non-Pentax 5.1 Mp camera, if
Pentax had come out with the *ist-DS sooner.
To jump from my 4 Mp camera to a 6 Mp makes much more sense.
Ah well, time goes on... and the distance between more and more
sophisticated cameras
On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 19:45, Peter Loveday wrote:
Wider range of exposure comp, wider range for sat, sharpness and contrast,
Well, perhaps they'll give us a *istD firmware update for these at least.
Though I won't be holding my breath :(
don't forget the built in filters. Oh or the
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From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Worse: Appears not to have separate wheels for aperture and shutter
speed either. One wheel and a button...
Yeah I forgot to mention the one wheel thing.
Yep, it's a *ist film camera converted to digital in almost every
Because editors aren't naturally forgiving?
All sports photographers know the experience of looking at the perfect
shot through the viewfinder while listening to the film rewinding :-(
(Or, today, having the camera refuse to fire because the buffer is full)
Shel Belinkoff mused:
To
Hi John,
I find it interesting how so many people talk about sports photographers as
if they were the ONLY people to consider when talking about camera usage.
Or photojournalists smile Sure, maybe you've a point, but the discussion
centered about Rob's use of the camera, and he's quite far from
-
Fra: Caveman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 14. september 2004 00:38
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Emne: Re: What, no *ist-Ds messages?
No, we're so disgusted we're quiet.
They must be joking.
Peter Loveday wrote:
Well, having read the *ist-Ds preview on dpreview.com, I thought I'd
have to catch
Thanks Shel that needed to be said. I agree wholeheartedly.
Vic
Thanks, but, ummm, what did I say? I've posted quite a few messages here
t'nite.
Shel
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Thanks Shel that needed to be said. I agree wholeheartedly.
Vic
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