Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-18 Thread Eactivist
Ooops, haven't looked in for a week and didn't realize this thread went on longer. Very tempted by the GX7, but it is pricey. My preference is not to be an early adopter, but buy a camera after it's been out for a while. And gone down in price. Or you can get it used. Whatever. I now have

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-18 Thread Eactivist
Yup. I mean, I haven't learned metric at all (as an example). So this old dog (female variety) has a hard time learning new tricks. Heh. I understand, to some degree, Godfrey's point too. But until someone said crop factor of 2x vs 1.5x I thought all the m4/3 lenses I saw were wide angle

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-18 Thread Eactivist
Thanks, Cotty. M aka D In a message dated 9/11/2013 9:34:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, co...@seeingeye.tv writes: Hi Marnie, Was browsing and came across this interesting little article. Caveat: it was written over 9 months ago so I don't know if updated firmware is available.

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-18 Thread Eactivist
V-e-r-y interesting. I wouldn't have guessed. M aka D In a message dated 9/11/2013 10:35:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bori...@gmail.com writes: On 9/11/2013 6:31 PM, Tom C wrote: For those of us with older eyes, the modern EVF's almost feel like a new pair of glasses. Mine are not

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-18 Thread John
What you need to know about the metric system isn't all that hard to learn. Five miles = eight kilometers, so 25mph is 40kmph. A quart of milk is .946 liters (or so it says on the label). All the other nutrition information on the label has been listed in grams since some time back in the 70s

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-18 Thread Eactivist
Heh. M aka D :-) In a message dated 9/18/2013 3:57:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, johnsess...@yahoo.com writes: What you need to know about the metric system isn't all that hard to learn. Five miles = eight kilometers, so 25mph is 40kmph. A quart of milk is .946 liters (or so it says on

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 12, 2013, at 10:15 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Exactly! Therefore anyone who isn't already invested in Leica will have little to zero interest in that module. Lacking an AF replaceable lens module severely limits the market for the GXR. If it had a built-in EVF, the

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-13 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 12, 2013, at 10:15 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Exactly! Therefore anyone who isn't already invested in Leica will have little to zero interest in that module. Lacking an AF replaceable lens module severely limits the market for

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:02 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Sure, from the standpoint of, again, existing Leica owners. There are a lot of them. And many new Leica lens owners who came in because the GXR made it accessible financially. Many of whom might eventually buy a Leica M body.

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-13 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/13/2013 5:02 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: Sure, from the standpoint of, again, existing Leica owners. But Boris is pushing the GXR for people who are not already in that group, that's where the market is limited, and I don't understand why he's pushing it so hard, especially in a thread where

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013, Bruce wrote: You guys are making me think I should go down to the store and take a look at these new EVF's. Another question I have is in regards to sports shooting - any lag as you pan the camera following the action? There will always be some -- consider what happens

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread P.J. Alling
On 9/9/2013 5:25 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: On 9/8/13 3:19 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 7, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Sure, but there's nothing like the 8mm fisheye you can get for APS-C for 12mm/e. For most purposes, you're correct that's sufficient, but people

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread P.J. Alling
08, 2013 7:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey With rectilinear lenses doing format translations is easy. AOV is AOV, but Fisheye lenses make hash those kinds of comparisons. I have a Pentax 17mm fisheye, and an old 12mm semi

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Darren Addy
Just to go back to EVF's for a moment. I find it interesting that the Pentax X-5 sports Pentax's first EVF in a long while (frankly, I read that somewhere, but don't know WHAT the previous Pentax EVF product even was). The X-5 also sports an articulating LCD screen. If I were prognosticating, I

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 12, 2013, at 8:33 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: I wanted a camera, not LEGO. Hasselblads have a similar level of system modularity, as do several other high-end medium format SLR and technical cameras. It's quite a sophisticated

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: [...] With any combination of body and camera/mount unit, you can also add an EVF (Ricoh VF-2), use the LCD, or fit an optical viewfinder of your choice. What does this system gain you over a K5 II? Mostly size and flexibility of

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:21 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I bought both my FA31 and my FA77 back when I had the K100. They are wonderful lenses, but I'm very glad that I'm not stuck with the sensor performance that was available six years ago. You will note that Hasselblads decouple

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread John
On 9/11/2013 10:08 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: My favorite second party camera is my iphone5. It's all I need in a compact camera. I've even done some work for the Times with it when circumstances required that. Paul via phone Several years ago, the owner of one of the local camera stores told

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:21 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 12, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 12, 2013, at 8:33 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: I wanted a camera, not LEGO. Hasselblads have a similar level of system modularity, as do several other high-end

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 12, 2013, at 8:33 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: I wanted a camera, not LEGO. Hasselblads have a similar level of system modularity, as do several other high-end medium format SLR and technical cameras. It's quite a sophisticated concept for a compact camera system, rarely seen

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Larry Colen
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:05:37AM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 12, 2013, at 8:33 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: I wanted a camera, not LEGO. Hasselblads have a similar level of system modularity, as do several other high-end medium format SLR and technical cameras.

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread John
On 9/11/2013 4:19 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013, John wrote: Every piece of Sony consumer electronics equipment I have ever owned failed had to be replaced exactly one day after the warranty expired. Timex bought Sony??? I dunno. I have a decade old Timex watch I keep as a

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Sep 12, 2013, at 16:20 , Bruce Walker wrote: He can't think he's good at *all* things or he'd be on this list. MARK! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Bruce Walker
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:34 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/9/2013 5:25 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: On 9/8/13 3:19 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 7, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Sure, but there's nothing like the 8mm fisheye you can get for

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/12/2013 10:21 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: Yes, particularly given the wastage for the benefit of modularity, and double particularly given the lack of support for auto-focus of non-module lenses. But I'd still consider one if it had a built-in EVF, which is why I put my comment in quotes to

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013, Boris Liberman wrote: On 9/12/2013 10:21 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: Yes, particularly given the wastage for the benefit of modularity, and double particularly given the lack of support for auto-focus of non-module lenses. But I'd still consider one if it had a built-in EVF,

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-12 Thread Boris Liberman
Well, as long as you agree that you're missing mine, I'l agree to be missing yours :-). I should admit that at least a year before I bought into this system I was sitting on the fence. And boy, I was wrong. This system is brilliant. As for marketing - I think Ricoh missed the opportunity to

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Darren Addy
I will say that a while back the one brand that had my attention was Sony. Pentax made a huge leap when they adopted Sony Exmor sensors, and Sony gives itself an edge in the sensor department. They also had fairly reasonably priced full frame options and the internal shake reduction that I

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Boris Liberman
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ... I'm not a big fan of composing on the LCD and have yet to actually try an electronic viewfinder. You may be very pleasantly surprised on both counts here. I don't easily recall when I last used my K-5 and I totally

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Tom C
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ... I'm not a big fan of composing on the LCD and have yet to actually try an electronic viewfinder. Well, silly Darren, one composes with an LCD or electronic viewfinder exactly the same way one does with an optical

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
Years ago somebody bought a digital PS with a digital viewfinder. I was instantly turned off by the lines on the screen. Tell me it's better now??? Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Far better, Bob. Far better. On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Years ago somebody bought a digital PS with a digital viewfinder. I was instantly turned off by the lines on the screen. Tell me it's better now??? Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Tom C
Years ago somebody bought a digital PS with a digital viewfinder. I was instantly turned off by the lines on the screen. Tell me it's better now??? Regards, Bob S. Hi Bob, You answered part of it yourself. :) This is today, that was years ago. No lines. I was mildly blown away by the IQ of

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Tom C
Well not really looking through... looking at. Tom C. On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Years ago somebody bought a digital PS with a digital viewfinder. I was instantly turned off by the lines on the screen. Tell me it's better now??? Regards, Bob S. Hi Bob,

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Kenneth Waller
capture - giving you the image that occurred after the one you wanted. Does this delay still exist in modern EVFs? -Original Message- From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey Years ago somebody bought a digital PS with a digital

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Boris Liberman
. Does this delay still exist in modern EVFs? -Original Message- From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey Years ago somebody bought a digital PS with a digital viewfinder. I was instantly turned off by the lines on the screen

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The modern EVF cameras have reduced lag to almost non-existent. My older EVF cameras - Sony F707/F717/F828/R1, Olympus 8080WZ, Panasonic FZ10, Minolta A2 - were fairly pathetic on viewfinder responsiveness and resolution. I used the viewfinder primarily as a targeting device. I remember the

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Tom C
On Sep 11, 2013, at 7:14 AM, Kenneth Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I used a Nikon Coolpix 5700 with an EVF, for evidence photography, years ago and in my opinion it was a great camera for static image capture but wasn't one to use for any sort of dynamic capture - there was a noticeable

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013, Boris Liberman wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ... I'm not a big fan of composing on the LCD and have yet to actually try an electronic viewfinder. You may be very pleasantly surprised on both counts here. I don't

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Bruce
You guys are making me think I should go down to the store and take a look at these new EVF's. Another question I have is in regards to sports shooting - any lag as you pan the camera following the action? -- Bruce Sent from my iPad On Sep 11, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013, Darren Addy wrote: But if you asked me the brand that appears most likely to be my 2nd choice, should it ever come to that, I would say Sony. Their NEX cameras are pretty clearly the best mirrorless option out there, IQ-wise, but I'm not a big fan of composing on the LCD

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Steve Cottrell
Hi Marnie, Was browsing and came across this interesting little article. Caveat: it was written over 9 months ago so I don't know if updated firmware is available. http://photomojomike.com/2012/11/21/fujifilm-x-e1-first-impressions/ I'm V interested in the X-E1, hence my post. -- Cheers,

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Tom C
Bruce wrote: You guys are making me think I should go down to the store and take a look at these new EVF's. Another question I have is in regards to sports shooting - any lag as you pan the camera following the action? I don't shoot sports but I wouldn't think so. I pan with the NEX-7 just

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Mike Johnston just reported on rumors that next month will see the announcement of an interchangeable-lens sibling to the full-frame Sony RX-1. Food for thought. And not long to wait to see if it's true. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013, Steve Cottrell wrote: Was browsing and came across this interesting little article. Caveat: it was written over 9 months ago so I don't know if updated firmware is available. http://photomojomike.com/2012/11/21/fujifilm-x-e1-first-impressions/ Given Marnie's interest

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/11/2013 6:31 PM, Tom C wrote: For those of us with older eyes, the modern EVF's almost feel like a new pair of glasses. Mine are not older but weaker and I totally second that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The latest generation of EVF cameras have substantially reduced the tendency to tearing and jitter with camera motion—it's down to almost none now, and is certainly very usable for my needs. But it is still one area where a good reflex viewfinder has an advantage. Likewise C-AF tracking

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Steve Cottrell
Perhaps of more interest: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/tag/fuji/ -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Tom C
From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com Mike Johnston just reported on rumors that next month will see the announcement of an interchangeable-lens sibling to the full-frame Sony RX-1. Food for thought. And not long to wait to see if it's true. My opinion only... As nice as that

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread steve harley
on 2013-09-11 7:15 Tom C wrote Take a look through a NEX-6 or 7 EVF. It's a 2.3 million pixel image. That's more than twice the pixel count of the LCD monitor. be careful here - pixel is the wrong word; unfortunately, camera manufacturers have taken to inflating viewfinder resolution by

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread John
On 9/11/2013 8:34 AM, Tom C wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ... I'm not a big fan of composing on the LCD and have yet to actually try an electronic viewfinder. Well, silly Darren, one composes with an LCD or electronic viewfinder exactly the

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread kwaller
Thanks Godfrey - I probably need to get my hands on some of the newer EVF's just to see how they currently are. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com Subject: Re: Which second party camera system do

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Well, Aahz, I suppose it is power to you then. You see, starting with K-7, the default focusing screen wasn't properly located for accurate shallow DOF manual focus (think 77/1.8 wide open or worse yet 50/1.2 wide open). I had a saga with K-7 shimming. The K-5 that I bought brand new - I

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread John
I'm not boycotting Sony, I just don't like their crap products. Every piece of Sony consumer electronics equipment I have ever owned failed had to be replaced exactly one day after the warranty expired. Although, I haven't forgotten (or forgiven) that root-kit debacle either. On 9/11/2013

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread John
On the downside, you have to deal with that funky Minolta flash mount. On 9/11/2013 7:21 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I will say that a while back the one brand that had my attention was Sony. Pentax made a huge leap when they adopted Sony Exmor sensors, and Sony gives itself an edge in the sensor

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013, John wrote: Every piece of Sony consumer electronics equipment I have ever owned failed had to be replaced exactly one day after the warranty expired. Timex bought Sony??? -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Not on the latest ones. They now have an ISO shoe fitted with the interface for their EVF on the RX-1, and the ISO shoe on the NEX 6 as well. In general, however, I'm not partial to the NEX bodies. They feel very cramped in my hands. The 6 seems the best of them so far, but it doesn't give me

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread John
Unless you're a working pro on paid assignment from Sports Illustrated, you're required to have shutter lag. Except, I can't remember if that's in the Constitution or the NFL's rule book. On 9/11/2013 11:37 AM, Bruce wrote: You guys are making me think I should go down to the store and take a

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread kwaller
that is now around 9 or 10 years old and they most likely have been improved. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey Ken, can

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Darren Addy
From all accounts the GXR is a very good camera system, but I don't understand it (at all) and when you have something that is radically different than everything else out there, the burden falls upon the marketing department to make it clear. I look at the GXR modules on Amazon and it is not

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Paul Stenquist
My favorite second party camera is my iphone5. It's all I need in a compact camera. I've even done some work for the Times with it when circumstances required that. Paul via phone On Sep 11, 2013, at 9:56 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: From all accounts the GXR is a very good

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2013-09-11 Thread Larry Colen
The way I understand it is that effectively each GXR module is the camera portion of a digital point and shoot. I.e. the lens, aperture, shutter and sensor. The body part is the computer half of a digital point and shoot, that holds the display, viewfinder, memory, buttons etc. The

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Stan Halpin
Thanks Darren - you expressed my frustration exactly! I have 2-3 legacy Leica lenses, because of these I have a passing interest in any adapter or system that purports to provide me a chance to use those lenses digitally. I tried to look at the GXR and I just don't get it. Back in the day,

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Stan Halpin
Thanks Larry - that helps. On Sep 11, 2013, at 10:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: The way I understand it is that effectively each GXR module is the camera portion of a digital point and shoot. I.e. the lens, aperture, shutter and sensor. The body part is the computer half of a digital point

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:26:30PM -0400, Stan Halpin wrote: Thanks Larry - that helps. I should post the disclaimer that I don't think that I have ever even seen a Ricoh GXR in real life. I've seen a lot of Suzuki GSXRs, but they are subtley different. It is possible that I was in error about

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Darren, I don't know how your comments relate to the quotations by John and Aahz Maruch that you included. The Ricoh GXR is a unique camera system, and Ricoh has not been very good at explaining what it's all about. The concept is this: Build a compact, light camera as a pair of modules:

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2013-09-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Darren (Larry, et al), it is in fact very simple thing. Have a look: 1. You have a camera body. The body serves all the electronic functions: - card - battery - screen - user interface - external interfaces 2. You have two small sensor lens modules (I think it is 24-72 and 28-300 or whatever),

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-10 Thread Darren Addy
Not to get the thread back to the OP's original question, but I've been thinking hard about the original question (for myself) and I'm going to sound like a total fanboy, but I just can't imagine switching systems from Pentax to anything. I have to have m42 lens compatiblility (which knocks out

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2013-09-10 Thread steve harley
on 2013-09-10 13:16 Darren Addy wrote The K-5 body is 670 grams (with battery). i think that's without battery — note that it says 740g (w/ battery SD card) here: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-camera-articles/115440-pentax-k-5-pentax-k-r-compared.html and 750g (w/

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2013-09-10 Thread John
: http://www.ephotozine.com/article/samyang-7-5mm-f-3-5-umc-fisheye-lens-review-19847 Dario -Messaggio originale- From: P.J. Alling Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 7:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey With rectilinear

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2013-09-10 Thread John
I believe that's what it says in the promotional literature. On 9/10/2013 2:38 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: Who knows. My guess is that its the same sensor with a new image processing engine. On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/9/2013 11:50 PM, Zos Xavius

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2013-09-10 Thread Zos Xavius
Who knows. My guess is that its the same sensor with a new image processing engine. On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/9/2013 11:50 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: Yuh. k-7 and k20D have the same sensor. A samsung sensor. Its true there is no standard for

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2013-09-10 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 04:47:54PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: This link showed up in my mailbox today, Adorama's review of the OMD EM-1:

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-10 Thread Larry Colen
This link showed up in my mailbox today, Adorama's review of the OMD EM-1: http://www.adorama.com/ALC/BlogArticle.aspx?googleid=0014299alias=Olympus-OM-D-E-M1-Hands-Onutm_source=RSYSutm_medium=Emailutm_campaign=Email090913OlympusNPAj=Email090913OlympusNPA They, of course, say little if anything

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2013-09-10 Thread Rick Womer
Couldn't have said it better, Darren. Rick   http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:16 PM Subject: Re: Which second party camera system do you like

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I'd originally not suggested the E-M5 to Marnie as it was over her budget AND a bit larger than she was looking for. The GX7 I suggested she might look at was also over her budget, but the form factor (compact with built-in EVF) was in line with what she wanted. The new E-M1 is larger still

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-10 Thread Darren Addy
There is a bit of a disconnect in recommending a $2200 camera to someone who just sold their last camera for financial reasons (no matter how hopefully very temporarily). She also said she is looking in the $400-600 range for a body. On 9/10/13, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: I'd

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-10 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 09:21:21PM -0500, Darren Addy wrote: There is a bit of a disconnect in recommending a $2200 camera to someone who just sold their last camera for financial reasons (no matter how hopefully very temporarily). She also said she is looking in the $400-600 range for a body.

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 10, 2013, at 7:27 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 09:21:21PM -0500, Darren Addy wrote: There is a bit of a disconnect in recommending a $2200 camera to someone who just sold their last camera for financial reasons (no matter how hopefully very

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-10 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 07:50:59PM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 10, 2013, at 7:27 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 09:21:21PM -0500, Darren Addy wrote: There is a bit of a disconnect in recommending a $2200 camera to someone who just sold their last

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-10 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013, Darren Addy wrote: Like the OP, I want a real viewfinder and I probably don't want a smaller sensor (mostly because I like wide and the smaller the sensor the harder it is to go wide with the focal length crop factor.) One issue for me is that I really do like a tilting

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-09 Thread Doug Brewer
On 9/8/13 3:19 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 7, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Sure, but there's nothing like the 8mm fisheye you can get for APS-C for 12mm/e. For most purposes, you're correct that's sufficient, but people who really care about extreme wide-angle

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-09 Thread Doug Brewer
On 9/7/13 2:45 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Marnie, If you get a chance, you should see what Doug Brewer is posting with a Fujifilm X100 over on Google+. I know it's a bit like saying it's the pots and not the chef after a fine meal, but his photos are really great with the little rangefinder.

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-09 Thread Zos Xavius
: P.J. Alling Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 7:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey With rectilinear lenses doing format translations is easy. AOV is AOV, but Fisheye lenses make hash those kinds of comparisons. I have

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-09 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/9/2013 11:50 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: Yuh. k-7 and k20D have the same sensor. A samsung sensor. Its true there is no standard for aps-c. Generally canon is a 1.6x crop and nikon/sony/everyone else is a 1.5x crop. I don't know about you, but I'm rather glad I'm not a canon crop-sensor user and

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 7, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Sure, but there's nothing like the 8mm fisheye you can get for APS-C for 12mm/e. For most purposes, you're correct that's sufficient, but people who really care about extreme wide-angle are likely to be less satisfied with m4/3.

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Oh, foolish me: I didn't realize that Panasonic also ships their own 8mm fisheye lens in Micro-FourThirds mount! Panasonic : LUMIX G FISHEYE 8mm F3.5 http://four-thirds.org/en/microft/single.html#i_008mm_f035_panasonic BH Photo:

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-08 Thread J.C. O'Connell
Just because there is a focal length fisheye that gives the same FOV as one for APSC or FF for that matter, that doesnt mean it will perform as well as a system. On 9/8/2013 3:24 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Oh, foolish me: I didn't realize that Panasonic also ships their own 8mm fisheye lens

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-08 Thread Larry Colen
The funny thing is, I'd be willing to bet that Aahz knows Ctein personally. Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: On Sep 7, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Sure, but there's nothing like the 8mm fisheye you can get for APS-C for 12mm/e. For most purposes, you're correct

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-08 Thread Eactivist
Well, I've narrowed down my choices to: Canon T4 or T5 (in case I decide NOT to switch -- remotely possible), Pentax K-r, Fujfilm X-Pro1, and Panasonic GX7. (Hope all those letters and numbers are right, but you get the idea). As you can see, I am all over the place. The one similarlity is

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-08 Thread George Sinos
Here's a link to a short video on Photofocus with an overview of the differences between DSLRs and m4/3 cameras. It includes a link to a free 10-day trial on lynda.com so you can watch the entire class. I haven't seen the whole class so I can't vouch for it. The overview was mildly interesting

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-08 Thread P.J. Alling
Right now Buydig.com is selling the original K-5 NIB for $639.00 with a $15.00 coupon free shipping in the continental US and no sales tax if you reside outside New Jersey. You can find it on Amazon almost as inexpensively, if price is your issue. It is however still a relatively heavy,

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-08 Thread Eactivist
Thanks! M aka D :-) In a message dated 9/8/2013 9:13:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gsi...@gmail.com writes: Here's a link to a short video on Photofocus with an overview of the differences between DSLRs and m4/3 cameras. It includes a link to a free 10-day trial on lynda.com so you can

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-08 Thread Eactivist
Thanks, Peter, I've thought about it, and decided too heavy. While Pentax lenses, on the whole, the new ones anyway, are much lighter than Canon's, with the K-5 and a longer telephoto, I'd come out about the same weight as I am now. So it would have to be a smaller Pentax camera body than

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-08 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sun, Sep 08, 2013, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Well, I've narrowed down my choices to: Canon T4 or T5 (in case I decide NOT to switch -- remotely possible), Pentax K-r, Fujfilm X-Pro1, and Panasonic GX7. (Hope all those letters and numbers are right, but you get the idea). As you can see, I

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-08 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sun, Sep 08, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 7, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Sure, but there's nothing like the 8mm fisheye you can get for APS-C for 12mm/e. For most purposes, you're correct that's sufficient, but people who really care about extreme

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-08 Thread P.J. Alling
With rectilinear lenses doing format translations is easy. AOV is AOV, but Fisheye lenses make hash those kinds of comparisons. I have a Pentax 17mm fisheye, and an old 12mm semi circular, (on film), fisheye made by Sigma in the early 60's. I don't have any examples currently, (and don't

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 8, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: The point is that m4/3 8mm is 16mm/e. It provides a 180° field of view across the format diagonal, same as the corresponding full-frame fisheye for an APS-C camera. The reason for the difference in effective focal length is the

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-08 Thread George Sinos
Godfrey - If my memory is working, m4/3 has an aspect ratio of 4:3, aps-c is 3:2. Is that correct? gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote: On Sep 8, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Aahz

Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey

2013-09-08 Thread Dario Bonazza
party camera system do you like? Mini-survey With rectilinear lenses doing format translations is easy. AOV is AOV, but Fisheye lenses make hash those kinds of comparisons. I have a Pentax 17mm fisheye, and an old 12mm semi circular, (on film), fisheye made by Sigma in the early 60's. I don't have

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