How apt that Bob's email domain is yahoo.
I did look for Bob's winky smiley but in it's absence I guess he was in
earnest, still not sure, though?
I enjoy some spicy contention and I don't object to some playful badinage as
long as it's not malicious or childish.
We've been dabating some
It appears that in recent comparisons film has been downgraded from earlier
estimates of either 70 or 40 megs (I recall both numbers at different
times). There might be a confusion over capture resolution and resultant
file size, and it would be helpful if the writers of these essays could be
On 26 Sep 2002 at 21:18, Bruce Rubenstein wrote:
There has been a longish thread on a professional photographer's digital
forum and their comments are similar: Digital must be treated like slide,
and not print film when it comes to exposure - don't blow out the
highlights. It's easy to check
On 26 Sep 2002 at 21:18, Bruce Rubenstein wrote:
There has been a longish thread on a professional photographer's digital
forum and their comments are similar: Digital must be treated like slide,
and not print film when it comes to exposure - don't blow out the
highlights. It's easy to check
I have read lots of reviews on the PZ1p how does it compare to... ,
isn't the AF old, blah, blah, blah.
Most of the reviews are favorable. It is highly regarded to be so old.
In practice, I find the AF to be dead on accurate, fast, etc. I think the
reason you hear so much negative about it on
Probably overheated from all the flame posts :-)
Regards,
Anthony Farr
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From: David Chang-Sang [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(snip)
I guess the poor old server's been having issues :(
(snip)
Lukasz Kacperczyk wrote:
These links don't work for me :(
Technically, underscores are not meant to be allowed in a URL. Some
software is more forgiving. I set mine up to allow them but my ISP's
proxy returns an error.
I got around it by temporarily disabling the proxy in my web browser.
I sent this to the list and to Don yesterday. Don has read it and replied
but it hasn't shown up in my PDML folder yet so I'm resending. Apologies to
anyone who gets it twice.
---
Don,
My apologies for my
In a message dated 26/09/02 16:00:11 GMT Daylight Time, Rob writes:
Be nice to him, he's a pop start!
I am sure you meant to write pop tart, no?
Kind regards
Peter
Don,
My apologies for my misreading of your post. I took the meaning that you
objected to the language of the insults, rather than the insults themselves.
I certainly wasn't aware that you had been the recipient of any insults
before your Bye bye message was posted.
If I was a doctor I'd enjoy
Hi,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2278678.stm
Quite frankly people do not want films or digital cameras
they just want pictures
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Cheers,
Bob
No but i'll try some.Thanks Tom
Dave
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From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Have you used any of the Fuji NPx stuff? It seems to be about a 1/2
stop faster...skin tones and contrast are good, as you would expect
from a portrait film, though I suspect the color balance
I see your meaning. Nonetheless, I think this number is as low as it
is because of the PS's, digital or otherwise. The choice is no longer
between a fine camera and an Instamatic. A $200 PS can take great
shots and if you are happy with 4x6 the pictures are great. I've seen
some nice stuff
No, No, you're nowhere near the edge of the cliff, plenty of room behind you, step
back!
From: John Mustarde [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Get a 500/4 IS and stand a couple feet further back...
In a message dated 9/26/02 11:15:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That's exactly why I mentioned what lenses I have been using.
I purchased the manual focus Tokina 80-200/2.8 because I really wanted to
save up for the Pentax in AF. But I think I'm going to spring soon for the
AF Tokina cause
Hi Francis,
I have a Benbo Trekker. It is light, adaptable, waterproof up
to the first joint (one joint/two part legs) and goes up to
about 1.8m/5'10.
You do need a PhD in Civil Engineering to erect it, though.
mike
Hi,
I'm not sure I agree with his comment The internet explodes the
number of people that have access to pictures.
The point is made often in this forum that the majority of human
beings have difficulty getting access to things like clean
water, never mind esoteric electronic goods.
Film is
I agree wholeheartedly. I think when a few very vocal members of the PDML
begin to discredit a lens or camera everyone starts to believe it as fact.
The SMC 85mm F2 is a good example. An excellent lens that, in some test
cases, proves sharper than the faster Pentax 85s yet can't get no respect
Is everyone getting a lot of blank emails with just the tag-line stuff on
them and no questions or responses
Vic
My SO has a PhD, works at Harvard and cannot imagine herself with web access slower
than 1Mbps, so she's not exactly technophobic.
Now, when it comes to pictures, she gets mad if I just develop and scan the weekend
snapshots, instead of giving her 4x6s she can put in her album. Even the $3 vs
Shadow detail may be there but, from everything I have seen, it is full
of SERIOUS noise.
-Original Message-
From: Bruce Rubenstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 27 September 2002 02:18
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re[2]: OT: D1s review
There has been a longish thread on
On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 15:02, mike wilson wrote:
I find it amusing that we are heading for a situation where the
average person is going to expect nothing more than an image
with the (technical) quality of a neolithic cave painting.
I resent that. Cave technology is actually great. Let's talk
Well, after missing out August's venerable submissions, I thought I
better put digit to keyboard and do this month's before it becomes
history. Some bright spark suggested I could easily access August on the
website, and this is true. Who knows, I might get around to doing it one
day. As the
Bruce, can you send the humble pie back - looks like it will be us
eating it!
What I don't understand though is why we hear NOTHING about Pentax.
Sure there is speculation that they have nothing new, but no-one has
confirmed that. Are the reporters not even bothered to go and have a
look on
OK - now what is this? I've tried to unsubscribe and then subscribe again,
but haven't seen any test messages I sent, but now I get this one. What's
going on? My posts don't show up on the pdml archive website. If anyone get
this one, please contact me off-list.
Listen people - I'm bored, and
Hi,
The caveman grunted:
I resent that.
My deepest apologies if you were offended. Once more my
inadquate descriptive skills leap to the fore. I was meaning
that, with the advent of such things as videophones (for crying
out loud!) people were happy with an image which required as
much
Well, Pentax NEVER said they'd be showing anything noteworthy at photokina.
It was the incurable optimists here on the list that fed the rumour-mill.
I personally think they were set back years by the abortive alliance with
Hewlett-Packard. Just think about all the development time they spent
Sorry -- having problems posting to the list the past day or so
Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY
You can be sure about that, knarf :))
Lukasz
-Original Message-
From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 11:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: favourite photos
The best way to deal with offensive language (perceived or real) is
ignore
On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 12:23, Rob Brigham wrote:
Did Pentax even turn up?
Yes.
Could they just have
their new products hiding under the desk?
Not anymore. I already bought all the samples they had.
This leaves me with some excessive stock. Before putting the items on
e-bay, I'll offer the
William Robb described the erosion of civil rights since 11 September:
I am thinking more like the loss of civil rights in Germany, circa mid to
late 1930's
Seems quite a few folks, both in the US and abroad, have noticed that
similarity. Damned frightening, indeed. Personally, I'm glad
Its been off and on since noon Thursday Bill.Your
not alone.Three posts of nmine have yet to reach.
Dave
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From: Peifer, William [OCDUS] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:31:33 -0400
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: test
Sorry --
me too - test test - i haven't been able to post to the list for half a day
now
-Original Message-
From: David Chang-Sang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: favourite photos
Test Test
-Original Message-
From:
Good luck, Dave. Keep us posted.
Lukasz
-Original Message-
From: David Chang-Sang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 1:58 AM
To: Pentax Discussion Mailing List
Subject: Update - SMC-A 35-105 f3.5 fix ? - Kominek
Let's try this again
Dave
-Original
Hi all,
my question has nothing to do with a DSLR, personal attacks, or... err - I
don't think we've seen anything else for the past few days :)
I know the M 135/3.5 has a built-in hood, but it's very shallow, so I though
about getting something else for it. I found a beautiful metal hood for
test
You can check a hood's clearance by looking through the film gate with the
shutter held open open at B. Sight from the corner of the frame into the
lens and ideally you shouldn't see the hood. Personal experience, 'though,
tells me that sometimes the hood can be seen without vignetting actually
Bruce asked:
Which Nikon body do you own, or have had the
long term use of?
I own a 1975 Nikon F + Photomic FTn with
Nikkor-H.C Auto 1:2 50mm lens. The lens is
super, and I have only experienced flare when
I added a UV filter. This lens has the Nikon
Hard Coat as well as the anti-reflective
How utterly marvelously silly!
At 05:38 PM 9/26/2002 -0600, you wrote:
Digital Leica
http://www.steves-digicams.com/cameras/minox.html
William Robb
This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To
unsubscribe,
go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't
forget to
After several attempts to re-subscribe it
appears to have worked. I don't like the new
format and lost my links to PDML and
associates after a crash.
Can someone point me to the new PDML links
pages etc.,
James
Thanks I think.
At 01:40 PM 9/26/2002 -0500, you wrote:
On Wednesday, September 25, 2002, at 11:26 AM, Peter Alling wrote:
But the congnisoti, (I'm not even sure that I spelled that correctly and
the damned spell checker is no help),
will know who you are.
Cognisnotty is the correct
I guess I'm back too :) Yippie!
I think the addresses are the same - www.pdml.net and the archives are at
http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss%40pdml.net/
Regards,
Lukasz
-Original Message-
From: James Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 8:13 PM
To:
Cotty wrote:
Vigeland Park
Bruce wrote:
Shame, really had an attractive odor about it.
Anyway, one needn't be a great sleuth reading financial reports, patent
applications, eavesdropping in Japanese men's rooms and studying chicken entrails to
see where Pentax is going. All one needs to do is take two steps back from
Anthony wrote:
I personally think they were set back years by the abortive alliance with
Hewlett-Packard. Just think about all the development time they spent
getting the EI cameras into the shops to have them be such a letdown. So
they found themselves well into the digital era with no
The last couple of Photokinas we have had a few members of PDML on hand and
giving reports to us, they even talked with the Pentax reps, I
believe. There has been such a lack of information on the list about
Photokina this year am I to assume we had no one on hand? Oh well, might
as well
I was not conscious of the phallic nature of the obelisk as I was taking
the picture, but it is there, of course. On the other hand, as Freud
said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Anyone who has visited Vigeland
Park knows that Vigelan was not at all shy about frankly portraying what
Monty
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmm,
Let's see if I get the same Relaying Denied mail not delivered message
with a newly subscribed e-mail address.
(still receiving list mail btw)
---
Wendy Beard
Mosaid Technologies Inc
A Relaying Denied error message is a problem at your end, or at your
Pål Jensen wrote:
Anthony wrote:
I personally think they were set back years by the abortive alliance with
Hewlett-Packard. Just think about all the development time they spent
getting the EI cameras into the shops to have them be such a letdown. So
they found themselves well into the
What I don't understand though is why we hear NOTHING about Pentax.
Sure there is speculation that they have nothing new, but no-one has
confirmed that. Are the reporters not even bothered to go and have a
look on their stand? Did Pentax even turn up? Could they just have
their new products
Hello
Has anyone used the SMCP-F 35-135mm f3.5-4.5 lens?
Just curious about the optical characteristics of this lens: sharpness,
contrast, flare resistence, distortion, vignetting, etc.
I'm considering purchasing one.
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thx
Cliff
It should work fine.
At 11:32 PM 9/26/2002 +0200, you wrote:
Hi all,
my question has nothing to do with a DSLR, personal attacks, or... err - I
don't think we've seen anything else for the past few days :)
I know the M 135/3.5 has a built-in hood, but it's very shallow, so I though
about
Hi Valentin,
nice to hear the sound of digital speleology again g.
There's a flaw in your argument, unfortunately. We only get to see the
cave paintings that have survived. Maybe, 60,000 years ago, there were
as many cave paintings as there are now photographs, but they only
lasted a few years.
But the congnisoti, (I'm not even sure that I spelled that
correctly and the damned spell checker is no help), will know
who you are.
Cognisnotty is the correct spelling, I believe.
Cognoscenti, maybe?
Fred
Some people are Cognoscenti, but far more are Cognisnotty. I love that
phrase!
Fred wrote:
But the congnisoti, (I'm not even sure that I spelled that
correctly and the damned spell checker is no help), will know
who you are.
Cognisnotty is the correct spelling, I believe.
I started to write an email to the list with two purposes:
a) to convey my happiness about a local cover that I made today, and
b) to share some thoughts that had crossed my mind as a result of what was
essentially my first experience at anything resembling the fabled genre of
photojournalism.
Hi Gang,
I personally enjoy the different points of view on the group even if they aren't all
pro-Pentax. Spice is good. Take it all with a grain of salt and things will be OK.
Regards,
Robert
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I personally enjoy the different
points of view on the group even if
they aren't all pro-Pentax.
Robert,
I agree, especially with the last part. Specifically, during the Pentax
AutoFocus / Consumer Fast Film thread I was somewhat surprised (and
actually very glad to see) that so many people
I think a few members will visit Saterday.
On Friday 27 September 2002 19:30, dick graham wrote:
The last couple of Photokinas we have had a few members of PDML on
hand and giving reports to us, they even talked with the Pentax reps,
I believe. There has been such a lack of information on
On Friday 27 September 2002 10:19, Anthony Farr wrote:
Thanks for the numbers. I did extract the search info from the link
and use them successfully in the search box.
Steven Desjardins had no luck with linking directly to the search
results, while Ryan Brooks did link straight in, so it
this is not a test
--
Frits J. Wüthrich
(Sent with Kmail)
On Friday, September 27, 2002, at 05:12 AM, Pål Jensen wrote:
I've been out of touch with Japan for awhile. I've just been told than
Pentax wasn't really expected to show anything before October 1. This
is the date when Asahi change name and their restructuring program
(including new
Don't cry, Collin. I'm sure the cat had no ill intent
when it shredded your paper towels.
And you don't sound *that* American. You'd have to
use more profanity. Sounds to me like you've got The
Blues. Them's is some deep-down, dirty South,
hurricane watchin' blues. Get yourself a guitar and
Rüdiger wrote:
No Pentax news
(no DSLR, no IS converter, no USM lens, no KAF3 mount, no limited lens, no
LX-AF, no AF converter...)
I for one had at least expected a Limited lens.
Pål
- Original Message -
From: Dan Scott
Subject: Re: So?..
I missed out on the name change, what is going to be?
Enron Camera Corp. You will be able to buy shares in it.
WW
Skyey Wavelets by Petr Pazour,
Dianna by Ma McRae,
More Reeds by Ken Waller,
Boy by Zhang Min,
Peggy's Cove by Martin Mielke,
We definitely don't have to have the same point of view here. But it is a
Pentax list. I'm sure all of us have problems with Pentax, I know I do.
Voicing these is no problem. The only problem is when a member puts-down
another, or uses insulting words. I really love the saying If you don't
Thanks for the kind thoughts.
Actually, I'm not at all depressed.
Just bored to death.
But maybe, just maybe (and very unfortunately)
I brought some of those emotions from Oklahoma
up to Columbus.
I'm looking out my office 11th-floor window watching the clouds begin to rise and
thin, with
The cave team reports:
The MZ-D was just unveiled. The rep was kind enough to let us play with
it for about 30 minutes.
Here's the scoop:
It actually comes in three pieces:
- A MZ-S with digital back
- a remote unit
- 2 software CDs
Now the details:
The digital back holds nothing but the
British and Mainland Europe Pentaxians, check it out on
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1384539714
Andrea
Cotty wrote:
Vigeland Park
Dan Matyola
Pentax is DEAD!
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Long live the PENTAX!
Life goes on. I still like my kit. I know that I won't replace it with
anything that doesn't afford me at least the same options and cost
significantly less than what's currently the case. Fortunately, my
client is
Congrats Jerome,
Nice story, nice lessons. Enjoyed the read.
http://www.isye.gatech.edu/~jerome/about3.htm
BTW, I think this is an excellent idea - posting experiences that are
mostly OT onto one's website, and then posting the URL as an Off Topic
subject. That way, the folks who don't want
I heard Nikon's new full-frame digital SLR (not announced at Photokina but
coming soon, trust me) has no LCD at all - it comes with a 17 CRT monitor
that's connected to the camera via a cable.
--
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com
Photography and writing
Dan wrote:
I missed out on the name change, what is going to be?
Eh...Pentax!
They are now called Asahi Optical.
Pål
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:41:01 -0500
From: Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A Relaying Denied error message is a problem at your end, or at your
providers'.
-R
That's what I'd normally expect. Only it's not just me getting this error
message. The others with the same problem probably haven't
I don't see how anyone could conclude that 35mm film is still a
superior
media after seeing these pictures.
-R
The only thing I've concluded from this comparison is that his scanner
is badly out of focus and/or needs service
From the lumnious landscape review:
(Note that the same lens
I heard Nikon's new full-frame digital SLR (not announced at
Photokina but coming soon, trust me) has no LCD at all - it comes
with a 17 CRT monitor that's connected to the camera via a cable.
Hmmm... And I've heard that C*n*n has a DSLR coming out that
doesn't use any monitor at all, except
Valentin Donisa wrote:
The cave team reports:
The MZ-D was just unveiled. The rep was kind enough to let us play with
it for about 30 minutes.
Here's the scoop:
It actually comes in three pieces:
- A MZ-S with digital back
- a remote unit
- 2 software CDs
Now you're just being mean. :-)
Andrea Rocca wrote:
British and Mainland Europe Pentaxians, check it out on
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1384539714
Wow! That looks fantastic.
I'd love to bid for that - but for some reason, I know not why - the words
eBay and camera in the same sentence cause a
That's why I always have a backup set of strings for my Fender.
Unfortunately I cannot blame a cat, but my abuse :)
Brad Dobo
- Original Message -
From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Too bad it's Friday
It certainly does...
- Original Message -
From: Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Just unveiled accessories for Pentax at Photokina!
On Friday, September 27, 2002, at 05:10 PM, Rob Brigham wrote:
Turn your
- Original Message -
From: Cameron Hood
Subject: Re: So?..
Pentax delays in digital are costing me a lot of money. And
I can't believe it is taking this long. This is now ridiculous.
My next camera will definitely be a digital. I just hope I
don't have to
sell all my lenses,
May 1 Oct. will be a time for a major when Pentax changes its name to Nitax,
or is it Cantax?
Jim A.
From: Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:58:47 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Photokina?
Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cliff,
I have this lens. I've only had it a short while though. It seems very
heavy for the apparent construction materials. I got it because it was
cheep ($125 shipped from KEH)and I like it's range.
It seems to hunt a bit more than my F35-80 and the manual focus feel is
nothing short of
- Original Message -
From: Dan Scott
Subject: Re: Just unveiled accessories for Pentax at
Photokina!
http://www.loreo.com/pages/products/loreo_lubot_lenscap.html
Does that look like a Pentax to anyone else?
Dan Scott
From: Brad Dobo
It certainly does...
I guess
Tom,
I've used it a couple of times and have another roll in the fridge waiting
for the fall colors around the Toronto area.
It's a NICE film as far as I'm concerned. Not as vivid or saturated as
Velvia but at the same time just enough saturation to give it a nice PUNCH.
The other draw to this
- Original Message -
From: Jim Apilado
Subject: Re: Photokina?
May 1 Oct. will be a time for a major when Pentax changes its
name to Nitax,
or is it Cantax?
I think last Photokina we decided it would be Kotax
William Robb
Cameron,
Mr. Rubenstein was fairly correct in his assessment of the Pentax
situation. Canon is the gadget and marketing king and as such, will
release new stuff more often with more innovation than anybody else.
Nikon will release just enough to not get blown away by Canon. Minolta
and Pentax
- Original Message -
From: Cliff Nietvelt
Subject: DSLR's and Film Scanners
Been thinking:
While I think the hype around DSLR's has been facilitated by
the Luminous
Landscape, I'm not convinced that the EOS-1Ds test vs film was
at all
accurate.
It seems to me that scanning the
Keith,
M is a line of Pentax lenses in K mount dedicated for the M series cameras.
M 135/3.5 is not a M-42 lens, but a PK bayonet lens.
And, well... what about my question? :)
I'm pretty sure the hood is OK, but more positive feedback would be welcome
:)
Regards,
Lukasz
-Original
On 27 Sep 2002 at 16:34, Cliff Nietvelt wrote:
Don't think I'll jump the Pentax ship, since I'm quite happy with what I
got. Just curious if they are releasing new lenses, especially FA*. To me this
is more important than a higher-end flagship camera...or a DSLR for that
matter...
I'm
Tom,
I use the stuff and love it. I have four fresh rolls just waiting to be burned. It's
hard to find in my area. The local CVS fetches $7.49 per roll of 24 exp.
Robert
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On 27 Sep 2002 at 12:12, Pål Jensen wrote:
Mishka wrote:
But if that's the case then some major companies have not made needed
announcements, and this is bad news for them.
I've been out of touch with Japan for awhile. I've just been told than Pentax
wasn't really expected to show
What's all this about a flagship camera? Isn't the MZ-S the flagship of
the line? It's the dream camera that appears to have been designed with
most of the hopes of the PDMLers in mind. What's it missing, a removable
finder? 10fps winder?
I'm happy that Pentax has a camera to compete with the
On 27 Sep 2002 at 16:24, Jerome Daryl Coombs-Reyes wrote:
sometimes it seems as
if it's almost taboo to say anything anti-Pentax on the list, even when it
may be helpful to others... and thats not a good environment at all for
learning and exchanging true experiences.
Hi Jerome,
William Robb wrote:
I guess that should quelch the concern that third party lens
makers were dropping support for Pentax.
HAR! smirk !8^D
-
Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the
On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:12:58 -0700
Pat White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's all this about a flagship camera? Isn't the
MZ-S the flagship of the line? It's the dream camera
that appears to have been designed with most of the hopes
of the PDMLers in mind. What's it missing, a removable
Lukasz Kacperczyk wrote:
Keith,
M is a line of Pentax lenses in K mount dedicated for the M series cameras.
M 135/3.5 is not a M-42 lens, but a PK bayonet lens.
Okay...I have a 50mm f/1.4 lens, Pentax-M, with bayonet mount. Only
lens I have that's so marked. I should have recognized the
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