Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Eric Weir]

> On Dec 18, 2017, at 2:08 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> On 12/18/2017 12:14, Eric Weir wrote:
>>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 6:16 PM, John  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would also include a text file on the disk with a copyright release 
>>> granting them permission to print the images (save them a hassle from any 
>>> photolab they might ask to make the prints).
>> Wondering if there’s a release template somewhere out there on the web that 
>> I could work from. Or one that any of you’d be willing to share.
> 
> Actually, "copyright release" is probably the wrong words. What you need is a 
> "print release" that allows them to print photos for personal use.
> 
> If you Google "Photographers print release" you should find a bunch of 
> different templates in .PDF form.

Thanks, John.

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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[John]

On 12/18/2017 12:14, Eric Weir wrote:



On Dec 13, 2017, at 6:16 PM, John  wrote:

I would also include a text file on the disk with a copyright release granting 
them permission to print the images (save them a hassle from any photolab they 
might ask to make the prints).


Wondering if there’s a release template somewhere out there on the web that I 
could work from. Or one that any of you’d be willing to share.




Actually, "copyright release" is probably the wrong words. What you need is a "print 
release" that allows them to print photos for personal use.

If you Google "Photographers print release" you should find a bunch of 
different templates in .PDF form.

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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Eric Weir]

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 6:16 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> I would also include a text file on the disk with a copyright release 
> granting them permission to print the images (save them a hassle from any 
> photolab they might ask to make the prints).

Wondering if there’s a release template somewhere out there on the web that I 
could work from. Or one that any of you’d be willing to share.

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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Steve Cottrell]

On 13/12/17, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>- Make a set of JPEGs of the best ones for them. A reasonable size that
>they can put on their phones, essentially, something like 1600 pixels on
>the long edge works well. 
>
>- Forget delivering raw files to anyone who is not a professional client
>AND didn't request them specifically. It's not only a waste of time
>because they will almost invariably not know what to do with them, but
>it usually turns them off if they ever do find a way to display them
>since they're raw and not a finished, rendered photograph. ... You want
>to give them YOUR renderings, not what the camera recorded, in a
>finished format (JPEG is best these days). 
>
>- Make a set of nice 5x7 or 8x12 prints of the best ones for them. (I
>usually make whatever format proportions work for the images and print
>them onto high quality 8.5x11 paper with at least 1 to 1.5" borders.)
>That's PLENTY for them to use if they want to make a collage ... let
>THEM make the collage. 
>
>- Then, if they want something else, get them to define what it is
>they're looking for and make that. For instance if they want wallet
>sized small prints, have them printed up by a print service for them. Etc. 
>
>Long experience delivering prints and image files to clients says to me:
>- ALWAYS curate what you show them FIRST to be your best work, and show
>them the FINISHED work, not "work in progress."
>- ONLY offer what shows your work off in the best light. 
>
>It almost never makes sense to offer too many things. Keep it simple. A
>set of JPEGs and a set of prints is as much as most clients or giftees
>will ever look at.

Endorse every single word of the above.

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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Eric Weir]

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 6:43 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> USB would work fine. If you're putting any kind of watermark or copyright 
> notice on the images, you definitely want to give them the copyright release 
> because a lot of labs like Walmart, CVS, Costco won't allow them to print the 
> images without it.

Thanks, John. Had not occurred to me. 

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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Eric Weir]

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 6:38 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> The sensor in our DSLRs have a ratio of 2:3
> 
> Hi-res means the image can be printed at 300dpi. Size the images to 2400x3600 
> and they can print any size up to 8"x12".
> 
> Lo-res images are displayed on a computer screen at 72dpi. I'd go 800x1200 
> just to make the math simple.

Thanks, John. Sometimes I can figure things out, but a lot of the time I have 
to have them spelled out.

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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Eric Weir]

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks again, Mark. Hopefully one last puzzlement. You suggest 6-megapixel 
>> images but also 2000 X 6000 pixels, which is 12-magapixels.
> 
> Sorry. I meant 2000 x 3000
> 
>> And by consumer printers I take it you’re referring to places like Fed-Ex 
>> Office or Walmart?
> 
> Yep. And CVS and Walgreens, etc.

Thanks again, Mark. I think all my puzzlements have been taken care of.

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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Eric Weir]

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 12:25 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> - ALWAYS curate what you show them FIRST to be your best work, and show them 
> the FINISHED work, not "work in progress."
> - ONLY offer what shows your work off in the best light.
> 
> [IR: It's been formulated before, - possibly by Larry: "You are judged by 
> your worst photo presented”]

I noted this when Godfrey shared it, Igor, but appreciate your reemphasizing it.

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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Eric Weir]

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 12:15 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> 1. I have a policy: I never give RAW files to anybody. (In the film era, I've 
> never given negatives to anybody, with just one exception for a close friend 
> of mine per a special agreement).
> I would only consider giving RAW files in very special cases.
> 
> Several photographers that I know have a similar policy.
> 
> When I give photos to others for printing, - I give those as the 
> Full-resolution JPEGs with the maximum quality level.
> (Also, just in case, I save them in sRGB color space to avoid any confusion.)
> 
> 
> 2. If you are not printing yourself anywhat routinely at home, I would 
> consider mpix.com for ordering the prints. Last time I checked, they can also 
> "drop-ship" to your clients directly, and IIRC, even in a discreet packaging, 
> not revealing the shop name, if requested. (Verify that, my memory might 
> deceive me here.)
> 
> 3. The optimum way of choosing the photos in the situation like yours is to 
> post them to a website (Flickr will do), with the filenames that can be used 
> for identification, asking your  clients to provide you with the list of 
> numbers.
> 
> 4. When I provide full-res. photos, I usually upload them to one of the 
> online storage accounts (I like box.com) - in a separate folder, and set 
> sharing via a direct link, which I provide to the addressee.
> Box.com interface provides convenient interface for both previewing and 
> downloading single images, as well as the entire folder.
> (I am sure that most other similar sites, such as dropbox, google-drive, have 
> very similar interfaces.)
> 
> Just in case:
> Before sending the link to the clients, check in a browser where you are not 
> logged in as yourself (e.g. by opening an "Incognito" browser window), that 
> the link works and doesn't require creating any account or whatsoever.

Thanks, Igor. Lots of good suggestions there. Especially about using Flickr to 
let them preview images; using Box—I use DropBox--to make files available to 
clients; and the printing service.

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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[John]

On 12/13/2017 18:25, Eric Weir wrote:



On Dec 13, 2017, at 6:16 PM, John  wrote:

I would burn the images to a CD/DVD.  Provide hi-res JPEG files they can print 
and lo-res copies in case they want to post them to Facebook or other social 
media.

I would also include a text file on the disk with a copyright release granting 
them permission to print the images (save them a hassle from any photolab they 
might ask to make the prints).


Thanks, John. I don’t have a CD drive, but was thinking of putting the files on 
a USB stick. I’m putting a watermark on the images, but hadn’t thought of give 
them a release. Will do.




USB would work fine. If you're putting any kind of watermark or copyright 
notice on the images, you definitely want to give them the copyright release 
because a lot of labs like Walmart, CVS, Costco won't allow them to print the 
images without it.



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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[John]

The sensor in our DSLRs have a ratio of 2:3

Hi-res means the image can be printed at 300dpi. Size the images to 2400x3600 and they 
can print any size up to 8"x12".

Lo-res images are displayed on a computer screen at 72dpi. I'd go 800x1200 just 
to make the math simple.



On 12/13/2017 18:01, Eric Weir wrote:

On Dec 13, 2017, at 1:07 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

Ken got it right. High quality hi-res jpegs are fine for making prints. Both 
low-res and hi-res should be in SRGB color space. Don’t release RAW files, even 
if someone requests them. The RAWs are your negatives, and public images should 
reflect your rendering.


I appreciate all the responses—Mark, Ken’s, and Paul’s suggestions of providing 
only low-res and hi-res JPEs and Godfrey’s admonition about offering my 
renderings. A little fuzzy about how low- and high-res get specified, but have 
put that question to Mark in my response to him.

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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Mark Roberts]

Eric Weir wrote:

>
>
>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> 
>> Don't worry about setting ppi. Consumer printers will handle that by
>> themselves when the customer chooses a print size (and I've printed up
>> to 12 x 18 from 6MP ist-D files). For phones and tablets the display
>> driver will scale the image appropriately, regardless of ppi.
>> 
>> I don't think there's a phone made these days with less than an
>> 8-megapixel camera so they can handle images at least that big, by
>> definition.
>> 
>> In short, there's no need to make high-resolution and high resolution
>> versions of the images: Give 'em 6MP and they'll be able to show the
>> photos on their phones and print as large as they're ever likely to
>> want. Less work for you.
>
>Thanks again, Mark. Hopefully one last puzzlement. You suggest 6-megapixel 
>images but also 2000 X 6000 pixels, which is 12-magapixels.

Sorry. I meant 2000 x 3000

>And by consumer printers I take it you’re referring to places like Fed-Ex 
>Office or Walmart?

Yep. And CVS and Walgreens, etc.
 
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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Eric Weir]

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Don't worry about setting ppi. Consumer printers will handle that by
> themselves when the customer chooses a print size (and I've printed up
> to 12 x 18 from 6MP ist-D files). For phones and tablets the display
> driver will scale the image appropriately, regardless of ppi.
> 
> I don't think there's a phone made these days with less than an
> 8-megapixel camera so they can handle images at least that big, by
> definition.
> 
> In short, there's no need to make high-resolution and high resolution
> versions of the images: Give 'em 6MP and they'll be able to show the
> photos on their phones and print as large as they're ever likely to
> want. Less work for you.

Thanks again, Mark. Hopefully one last puzzlement. You suggest 6-megapixel 
images but also 2000 X 6000 pixels, which is 12-magapixels.

And by consumer printers I take it you’re referring to places like Fed-Ex 
Office or Walmart?

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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Eric Weir]

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 6:16 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> I would burn the images to a CD/DVD.  Provide hi-res JPEG files they can 
> print and lo-res copies in case they want to post them to Facebook or other 
> social media.
> 
> I would also include a text file on the disk with a copyright release 
> granting them permission to print the images (save them a hassle from any 
> photolab they might ask to make the prints).

Thanks, John. I don’t have a CD drive, but was thinking of putting the files on 
a USB stick. I’m putting a watermark on the images, but hadn’t thought of give 
them a release. Will do.

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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Mark Roberts]

Eric Weir wrote:

>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Mark Roberts  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Downsize everything to 2000 x 6000 pixels
>> Convert to sRGB color space
>> Give 'em hi res JPEGs and wash your hands of it.
>> 
>> The 6-megapixel size will work on most phones and tablets (my tablet's
>> native resolution is around 5MP) and allow them to zoom in without
>> getting pixilated. JPEG format in sRGB will let them go to any local
>> shop with a print kiosk and make their own prints. Done.
>
>Thanks, Mark. Clear and helpful overall, but I’m a  bit unclear about the 
>relation of pixel size and print size. You suggest 2000 X 6000 pixels. Will 
>that work for a print of any moderate size, e.g., 4X6 or 5X7? Don’t I need to 
>specify pixels per inch? Likewise in setting pixel size for use on phones and 
>tablets. Doesn’t pixels per inch need to be specified there too?

Don't worry about setting ppi. Consumer printers will handle that by
themselves when the customer chooses a print size (and I've printed up
to 12 x 18 from 6MP ist-D files). For phones and tablets the display
driver will scale the image appropriately, regardless of ppi.

I don't think there's a phone made these days with less than an
8-megapixel camera so they can handle images at least that big, by
definition.

In short, there's no need to make high-resolution and high resolution
versions of the images: Give 'em 6MP and they'll be able to show the
photos on their phones and print as large as they're ever likely to
want. Less work for you.
 
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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Eric Weir]

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> I’m a  bit unclear about the relation of pixel size and print size.

I have Lightroom export specifications specified in different ways. One is for 
an image 4 X 6 inches with 300 pixels per inch. I take it that would be 
considered high-res. The other is for an image 500 pixels on the long side with 
72 pixels per inch. I’m not sure what that is? Would that be low-res? Would it 
work for phones and tablets? 

I use the Lightroom plug-in in uploading images to Flickr. The parameters for 
image size there are 1200 pixels on the long side with pixels per inch 
unspecified. Is that low- or high-res? Would that specification work for 
creating images for phones or tablets?

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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[John]

I would burn the images to a CD/DVD.  Provide hi-res JPEG files they can print 
and lo-res copies in case they want to post them to Facebook or other social 
media.

I would also include a text file on the disk with a copyright release granting 
them permission to print the images (save them a hassle from any photolab they 
might ask to make the prints).


On 12/13/2017 11:34, Eric Weir wrote:


My only experience publishing photos is putting albums up on Flickr. I have not 
printed a single image.

Yesterday I photographed an Iraqi refugee family at a community college 
graduation ceremony here. (One of their daughters graduated with high honors.) 
I’ve weeded out the worthless images, done an initial selection and edited a 
few, which I’ve shared with them as attachments to an email. I suspect I’ll end 
up with 15 or 20 decent or interesting images, but I’m not sure what to do with 
them, i.e., how to make them available to the family.

I imagine they might want to put images on their phones, to print one or two 
for framing, maybe to create a printed collage. For the first I could do as 
usual and put an album up on Flickr. For the latter I have no idea what to do. 
A thought is to put the edited JPEGs and the original RAW files on a USB stick 
and give it to them. Not sure they would know what to do with that, especially 
the RAW files. If there are images that they’d like printed I could figure out 
how to get that done and give them the prints.

Clearly, I’m floundering. Suggestions would be much appreciated.

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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Eric Weir]

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 1:07 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Ken got it right. High quality hi-res jpegs are fine for making prints. Both 
> low-res and hi-res should be in SRGB color space. Don’t release RAW files, 
> even if someone requests them. The RAWs are your negatives, and public images 
> should reflect your rendering.

I appreciate all the responses—Mark, Ken’s, and Paul’s suggestions of providing 
only low-res and hi-res JPEs and Godfrey’s admonition about offering my 
renderings. A little fuzzy about how low- and high-res get specified, but have 
put that question to Mark in my response to him. 

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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Eric Weir]

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Downsize everything to 2000 x 6000 pixels
> Convert to sRGB color space
> Give 'em hi res JPEGs and wash your hands of it.
> 
> The 6-megapixel size will work on most phones and tablets (my tablet's
> native resolution is around 5MP) and allow them to zoom in without
> getting pixilated. JPEG format in sRGB will let them go to any local
> shop with a print kiosk and make their own prints. Done.

Thanks, Mark. Clear and helpful overall, but I’m a  bit unclear about the 
relation of pixel size and print size. You suggest 2000 X 6000 pixels. Will 
that work for a print of any moderate size, e.g., 4X6 or 5X7? Don’t I need to 
specify pixels per inch? Likewise in setting pixel size for use on phones and 
tablets. Doesn’t pixels per inch need to be specified there too?

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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

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> On Dec 13, 2017, at 12:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Long experience delivering prints and image files to clients says to me:
> - ALWAYS curate what you show them FIRST to be your best work, and show them 
> the FINISHED work, not "work in progress."
> - ONLY offer what shows your work off in the best light. 
> 
> It almost never makes sense to offer too many things. Keep it simple. A set 
> of JPEGs and a set of prints is as much as most clients or giftees will ever 
> look at. 

Thanks, Godfrey. What I’ve quoted is definitely not all that I found helpful, 
but it’s what I take from it overall. Bottom line: It’s up to me. Do my best. 
Go from there. 

And this is a gift to my “client,” something I am happy to do for the family, 
especially when it challenges me photographically. 

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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Paul Stenquist]

Ken got it right. High quality hi-res jpegs are fine for making prints. Both 
low-res and hi-res should be in SRGB color space. Don’t release RAW files, even 
if someone requests them. The RAWs are your negatives, and public images should 
reflect your rendering.

Paul

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 12:39 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> 
> FWIW, suggest you provide jpegs in two versions - low res for use on phones 
> and computer and high res suitable for printing and not provide the RAW files.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Eric Weir 
>> Subject: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"
>> 
>> 
>> My only experience publishing photos is putting albums up on Flickr. I have 
>> not printed a single image.
>> 
>> Yesterday I photographed an Iraqi refugee family at a community college 
>> graduation ceremony here. (One of their daughters graduated with high 
>> honors.) I’ve weeded out the worthless images, done an initial selection and 
>> edited a few, which I’ve shared with them as attachments to an email. I 
>> suspect I’ll end up with 15 or 20 decent or interesting images, but I’m not 
>> sure what to do with them, i.e., how to make them available to the family.  
>> 
>> I imagine they might want to put images on their phones, to print one or two 
>> for framing, maybe to create a printed collage. For the first I could do as 
>> usual and put an album up on Flickr. For the latter I have no idea what to 
>> do. A thought is to put the edited JPEGs and the original RAW files on a USB 
>> stick and give it to them. Not sure they would know what to do with that, 
>> especially the RAW files. If there are images that they’d like printed I 
>> could figure out how to get that done and give them the prints.
>> 
>> Clearly, I’m floundering. Suggestions would be much appreciated. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Eric Weir
>> Decatur, GA  USA
>> eew...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>> “...we are a form of invitation to others and to otherness..."
>> 
>> - David Whyte
> 
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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Ken Waller]

FWIW, suggest you provide jpegs in two versions - low res for use on phones and 
computer and high res suitable for printing and not provide the RAW files.


-Original Message-
>From: Eric Weir 
>Subject: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"
>
>
>My only experience publishing photos is putting albums up on Flickr. I have 
>not printed a single image.
>
>Yesterday I photographed an Iraqi refugee family at a community college 
>graduation ceremony here. (One of their daughters graduated with high honors.) 
>I’ve weeded out the worthless images, done an initial selection and edited a 
>few, which I’ve shared with them as attachments to an email. I suspect I’ll 
>end up with 15 or 20 decent or interesting images, but I’m not sure what to do 
>with them, i.e., how to make them available to the family.  
>
>I imagine they might want to put images on their phones, to print one or two 
>for framing, maybe to create a printed collage. For the first I could do as 
>usual and put an album up on Flickr. For the latter I have no idea what to do. 
>A thought is to put the edited JPEGs and the original RAW files on a USB stick 
>and give it to them. Not sure they would know what to do with that, especially 
>the RAW files. If there are images that they’d like printed I could figure out 
>how to get that done and give them the prints.
>
>Clearly, I’m floundering. Suggestions would be much appreciated. 
>
>Thanks,
>--
>Eric Weir
>Decatur, GA  USA
>eew...@bellsouth.net
>
>“...we are a form of invitation to others and to otherness..."
>
>- David Whyte


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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Mark Roberts]

Eric Weir wrote:

>
>My only experience publishing photos is putting albums up on Flickr. I have 
>not printed a single image.
>
>Yesterday I photographed an Iraqi refugee family at a community college 
>graduation ceremony here. (One of their daughters graduated with high honors.) 
>I’ve weeded out the worthless images, done an initial selection and edited a 
>few, which I’ve shared with them as attachments to an email. I suspect I’ll 
>end up with 15 or 20 decent or interesting images, but I’m not sure what to do 
>with them, i.e., how to make them available to the family.  
>
>I imagine they might want to put images on their phones, to print one or two 
>for framing, maybe to create a printed collage. For the first I could do as 
>usual and put an album up on Flickr. For the latter I have no idea what to do. 
>A thought is to put the edited JPEGs and the original RAW files on a USB stick 
>and give it to them. Not sure they would know what to do with that, especially 
>the RAW files. If there are images that they’d like printed I could figure out 
>how to get that done and give them the prints.
>
>Clearly, I’m floundering. Suggestions would be much appreciated. 

Downsize everything to 2000 x 6000 pixels
Convert to sRGB color space
Give 'em hi res JPEGs and wash your hands of it.

The 6-megapixel size will work on most phones and tablets (my tablet's
native resolution is around 5MP) and allow them to zoom in without
getting pixilated. JPEG format in sRGB will let them go to any local
shop with a print kiosk and make their own prints. Done.
 
-- 
Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia
www.robertstech.com





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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Igor PDML-StR]

Godfrey made several very good points. I had  been thinking about some of 
them myself, but forgot to add to my response.
And I would like to highlight a few of them, very nicely formulated by 
Godfrey with minor comments from myself:


 Godfrey DiGiorgi Wed, 13 Dec 2017 09:04:52 -0800 wrote:

- A reasonable size that they can put on their phones, essentially, 
something like 1600 pixels on the long edge works well.


[IR: And that works for most computer screens and tablets too.]


 -Forget delivering raw files ... It's not only a waste of time 
because they will almost invariably not know what to do with them, but it 
usually turns them off ...


[IR: So true! And falls under the KISS principle.]



- ALWAYS curate what you show them FIRST to be your best work, and show 
them the FINISHED work, not "work in progress."

- ONLY offer what shows your work off in the best light.

[IR: It's been formulated before, - possibly by Larry: "You are judged by 
your worst photo presented"]



Igor


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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Igor PDML-StR]

Eric,

1. I have a policy: I never give RAW files to anybody. (In the film era, 
I've never given negatives to anybody, with just one exception for a close 
friend of mine per a special agreement).

I would only consider giving RAW files in very special cases.

Several photographers that I know have a similar policy.

When I give photos to others for printing, - I give those as the 
Full-resolution JPEGs with the maximum quality level.
(Also, just in case, I save them in sRGB color space to avoid any 
confusion.)



2. If you are not printing yourself anywhat routinely at home, I 
would consider mpix.com for ordering the prints. Last time I checked, they 
can also "drop-ship" to your clients directly, and IIRC, even in a 
discreet packaging, not revealing the shop name, if requested. (Verify 
that, my memory might deceive me here.)


3. The optimum way of choosing the photos in the situation like yours is 
to post them to a website (Flickr will do), with the filenames that can be 
used for identification, asking your  clients to provide you with the list 
of numbers.


4. When I provide full-res. photos, I usually upload them to one of the 
online storage accounts (I like box.com) - in a separate folder, and set 
sharing via a direct link, which I provide to the addressee.
Box.com interface provides convenient interface for both previewing and 
downloading single images, as well as the entire folder.
(I am sure that most other similar sites, such as dropbox, google-drive, 
have very similar interfaces.)


Just in case:
Before sending the link to the clients, check in a browser where you are 
not logged in as yourself (e.g. by opening an "Incognito" browser window), 
that the link works and doesn't require creating any account or 
whatsoever.



HTH,

Igor


Eric Weir Wed, 13 Dec 2017 08:36:06 -0800 wrote:

My only experience publishing photos is putting albums up on Flickr. I 
have not printed a single image.



Yesterday I photographed an Iraqi refugee family at a community college 
graduation ceremony here. (One of their daughters graduated with high 
honors.) I’ve weeded out the worthless images, done an initial selection 
and edited a few, which I’ve shared with them as attachments to an email. 
I suspect I’ll end up with 15 or 20 decent or interesting images, but I’m 
not sure what to do with them, i.e., how to make them available to the 
family.


I imagine they might want to put images on their phones, to print one or 
two for framing, maybe to create a printed collage. For the first I could 
do as usual and put an album up on Flickr. For the latter I have no idea 
what to do. A thought is to put the edited JPEGs and the original RAW 
files on a USB stick and give it to them. Not sure they would know what to 
do with that, especially the RAW files. If there are images that they’d 
like printed I could figure out how to get that done and give them the 
prints.


Clearly, I’m floundering. Suggestions would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
--
Eric Weir

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Re: Floundering about how to provide images for a "client"

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

First: Is this for pay or as a gift? In either case, talk to them, show them 
the photographs, and ask if they'd like any. Presuming they say yes...

- Make a set of JPEGs of the best ones for them. A reasonable size that they 
can put on their phones, essentially, something like 1600 pixels on the long 
edge works well. 

- Forget delivering raw files to anyone who is not a professional client AND 
didn't request them specifically. It's not only a waste of time because they 
will almost invariably not know what to do with them, but it usually turns them 
off if they ever do find a way to display them since they're raw and not a 
finished, rendered photograph. ... You want to give them YOUR renderings, not 
what the camera recorded, in a finished format (JPEG is best these days). 

- Make a set of nice 5x7 or 8x12 prints of the best ones for them. (I usually 
make whatever format proportions work for the images and print them onto high 
quality 8.5x11 paper with at least 1 to 1.5" borders.) That's PLENTY for them 
to use if they want to make a collage ... let THEM make the collage. 

- Then, if they want something else, get them to define what it is they're 
looking for and make that. For instance if they want wallet sized small prints, 
have them printed up by a print service for them. Etc. 

Long experience delivering prints and image files to clients says to me:
- ALWAYS curate what you show them FIRST to be your best work, and show them 
the FINISHED work, not "work in progress."
- ONLY offer what shows your work off in the best light. 

It almost never makes sense to offer too many things. Keep it simple. A set of 
JPEGs and a set of prints is as much as most clients or giftees will ever look 
at. 

G
—
No matter where you go, there you are. 

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 8:34 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> 
> My only experience publishing photos is putting albums up on Flickr. I have 
> not printed a single image.
> 
> Yesterday I photographed an Iraqi refugee family at a community college 
> graduation ceremony here. (One of their daughters graduated with high 
> honors.) I’ve weeded out the worthless images, done an initial selection and 
> edited a few, which I’ve shared with them as attachments to an email. I 
> suspect I’ll end up with 15 or 20 decent or interesting images, but I’m not 
> sure what to do with them, i.e., how to make them available to the family.  
> 
> I imagine they might want to put images on their phones, to print one or two 
> for framing, maybe to create a printed collage. For the first I could do as 
> usual and put an album up on Flickr. For the latter I have no idea what to 
> do. A thought is to put the edited JPEGs and the original RAW files on a USB 
> stick and give it to them. Not sure they would know what to do with that, 
> especially the RAW files. If there are images that they’d like printed I 
> could figure out how to get that done and give them the prints.
> 
> Clearly, I’m floundering. Suggestions would be much appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks,
> --
> Eric Weir
> Decatur, GA  USA
> eew...@bellsouth.net
> 

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