of the 19th
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BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION AS SEMIOSIS
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All the best.
Sung
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From: Sungchul Ji s...@rci.rutgers.edu
Date: Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
To: Stephen Jarosek sjaro
is not workable. sj
*From:* sji.confor...@gmail.com [mailto:sji.confor...@gmail.com] *On
Behalf Of *Sungchul Ji
*Sent:* Monday, 20 July 2015 4:35 PM
*To:* PEIRCE-L
*Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Stephen, Edwina, lists,
That is, if people are going to go along
to “language.” It’s
at the level of the DNA molecule that my thinking diverges.
From: Stephen Jarosek [mailto:sjaro...@iinet.net.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 11:13 PM
To: 'Sungchul Ji'
Cc: 'PEIRCE-L'
Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Sung, I understand where you are coming from
that are entangled with it by virtue
of the manner of DNA replication. sj
From: sji.confor...@gmail.com [mailto:sji.confor...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Sungchul Ji
Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 7:05 PM
To: Stephen Jarosek
Cc: PEIRCE-L
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Stephen J, lists
at the level of the DNA molecule that my
thinking diverges.
*From:* Stephen Jarosek [mailto:sjaro...@iinet.net.au]
*Sent:* Tuesday, 21 July 2015 11:13 PM
*To:* 'Sungchul Ji'
*Cc:* 'PEIRCE-L'
*Subject:* RE: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Sung, I understand where you are coming from... I
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Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Stephen - I'm not sure of the point of your post. Are you trying to say that
Peirce's view of the origin of life and its evolution/adaptation was pure
Darwinism? If so, this is incorrect. His analysis of The Origin
[mailto:sjaro...@iinet.net.au]
Sent: July 20, 2015 11:34 AM
To: 'Edwina Taborsky'; 'Thomas'; 'Stephen C. Rose'
Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu; biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee
Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
List,
Many of us seem to be persisting with the narrative that instincts are
programmed
July 2015 2:56 AM
To: Thomas; Stephen C. Rose
Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Tom - see my replies below:
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From: Thomas
To: Stephen C. Rose
Cc: Edwina Taborsky ; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 8:02 PM
*To:* Thomas; Stephen C. Rose
*Cc:* peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
*Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Tom - see my replies below:
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*From:* Thomas ozzie...@gmail.com
*To:* Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com
*Cc:* Edwina Taborsky tabor...@primus.ca ; peirce
;
biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Stephen -
I believe Peirce argued that pragmatism is incorporated into genes during
evolution. If so, then instincts are purposeful/efficient without intervention
by others or instruction on how to be.
STEPHEN
: Stephen Jarosek
To: 'Edwina Taborsky' ; 'Thomas' ; 'Stephen C. Rose'
Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu ; biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 5:33 AM
Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
List,
Many of us seem to be persisting with the narrative that instincts
*From:* Edwina Taborsky [mailto:tabor...@primus.ca]
*Sent:* Monday, 20 July 2015 3:35 PM
*To:* Stephen Jarosek; 'Ozzie'
*Cc:* 'Stephen C. Rose'; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu; biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee
*Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Stephen- I continue with problems with your
the computers CPU? What technology is it all drawing on?
sj
From: Edwina Taborsky [mailto:tabor...@primus.ca]
Sent: Monday, 20 July 2015 4:18 PM
To: Stephen Jarosek; 'Ozzie'
Cc: 'Stephen C. Rose'; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu; biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
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Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
TOM: “I believe Peirce argued that pragmatism is incorporated into genes
during evolution. If so, then instincts are purposeful/efficient without
intervention
'; 'Stephen C. Rose'
Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu; biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Stephen - as you note, I think we are reaching the stage where our
disagreements are beyond discussion.
1) Your response to how an organism knows how to 'define the things
; biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Edwina, on most of the points you raise, I can see where we are going to be
going around in circles. So I’ll just respond to those couple of points where
we might stand a better chance
...@gmail.com [mailto:sji.confor...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Sungchul Ji
Sent: Monday, 20 July 2015 4:35 PM
To: PEIRCE-L
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Stephen, Edwina, lists,
That is, if people are going to go along with the info-tech narrative that
describes genes and DNA
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Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 10:36 AM
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There are two conflicting metaphors concerning the questions you raise. You
seem to have a preference for the info-tech (computer) metaphor. The second
: Stephen Jarosek
To: 'Edwina Taborsky' ; 'Ozzie'
Cc: 'Stephen C. Rose' ; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu ; biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:28 PM
Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
EDWINA: “I don't see anything wrong with the computer or semiosic model
not
address the concept I was interested in knowing Peirce’s views about.
John
From: Thomas [mailto:ozzie...@gmail.com]
Sent: July 20, 2015 2:03 AM
To: Stephen C. Rose
Cc: Edwina Taborsky; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Stephen, Edwina, List
the entropic forces of disunity.
sj
From: Ozzie [mailto:ozzie...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 20 July 2015 1:22 PM
To: Stephen Jarosek
Cc: Edwina Taborsky; Stephen C. Rose; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu;
biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Stephen -
I believe
, 20 July 2015 5:07 PM
To: Stephen Jarosek; 'Ozzie'
Cc: 'Stephen C. Rose'; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu; biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
1) I don't accept the comparison between a biological system which must store
common knowledge and a colony of people which
'; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu; biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
1) Stephen - Howard Bloom's analysis of the knowledge function within groups,
and his focus on the social group as the agential system - is a completely
different issue than the analysis of Sign
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biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Stephen ~
You remarked: the idea of, say, a watch or a computer materializing all by
itself in nature, even within an infinite universe, has to contend against
enormous odds that render its unlikelihood
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Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Ben, list -
Thanks for your interesting comments. I will spend more time thinking about
them later today.
Let me briefly address one sentence from your comments: I'd say
.
Edwina
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*From:* Ozzie ozzie...@gmail.com
*To:* Benjamin Udell bud...@nyc.rr.com
*Cc:* peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
*Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2015 11:53 AM
*Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Ben, list -
Thanks for your interesting comments. I will spend
Tom - see my replies below:
- Original Message -
From: Thomas
To: Stephen C. Rose
Cc: Edwina Taborsky ; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Stephen, Edwina, List ~
I agree that instinct leads
: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Stephen, Edwina, List ~
I agree that instinct leads to physical activity (though sometimes inside the
body where it can't be seen). But it is triggered by environmental changes.
That is the standard definition of instinct. It is not so much
@list.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Stephen, Edwina, List ~
I agree that instinct leads to physical activity (though sometimes inside the
body where it can't be seen). But it is triggered by environmental changes.
That is the standard definition of instinct. It is not so much
- Original Message -
From: Stephen C. Rose
To: Ozzie
Cc: Edwina Taborsky ; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
I wonder what controls instincts which I see as somewhat like inclinations
which suggest
Tom - thanks for your response; mine are below.
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From: Ozzie
To: Edwina Taborsky
Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Edwina ~
My notes on habit and evolution are more wide
a tougher beak.
Edwina
- Original Message -
From: Ozzie
To: Benjamin Udell
Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct and emotion
Ben, list -
Thanks for your interesting comments. I will spend more time thinking
Tom, list,
Thanks for the link to the dissertation. I've read the first 40 or so
pages, which include an outline of the history of the philosophy and
psychology of affectivity. I didn't know that words like 'faculty',
'passion', and 'affection' have been freighted with so much meaning, and
Ben, list -
Thanks for your interesting comments. I will spend more time thinking about
them later today.
Let me briefly address one sentence from your comments: I'd say that
instincts can also be triggered _inside_ the body, e.g., by prolonged emptiness
of the stomach.
According to the
Tom, list,
I should look terms up once in a while instead of relying on decades-old
memories or employing the word as if Peirce's sense of it were current.
(Incidentally, the Commens dictionary has two quotes from Peirce about
instinct http://www.commens.org/dictionary/term/instinct .)
Thomas, Jeff D.,
Despite Peirce's use of the phrase 'emotional interpretant' (in 1907,
Pragmatism, CP 5.475
http://www.commens.org/dictionary/term/emotional-interpretant ) for the
feeling produced by a sign, he often enough in the 1900s said that
pleasure and pain are not feelings, or are
Sorry, correction, incorporated below (Kant's sense of the word
feeling as a restriction of Tetens's sense of the word feeling, not
vice versa). - Best, Ben
Thomas, Jeff D.,
Despite Peirce's use of the phrase 'emotional interpretant' (in 1907,
Pragmatism, CP 5.475
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