Jeff, List:
In your example, *semiosis *does not occur unless and until the Sign *actually
*determines an Interpretant. Suppose that a human sees the ripples on the
water and thinks, "The wind is blowing from the north." How can an Index
(Existent) produce such a thought-Sign (Necessitant) as it
ant to see if this is a plausible
> interpretation of the relevant texts.
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> Jeffrey Downard
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> Department of Philosophy
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Gary, Jeffrey, list,
Uh, that is very complicated. Thank you. So I reduce what I was saying as follows:
In both the relations sign-object and sign-interpretant I have observed, that determination goes in the opposite direction than something else, respectively: Between sign and object it i
interaction.
Edwina
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From: Jeffrey Brian Downard
Sent: April 4, 2018 5:04 PM
To: Peirce-L
Subject: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Order of Determination
Gary R, Helmut, List,
What Gary says certainly holds for the relation of determination between
dynamical objects and
Helmut, list,
Well, there's been a great deal of discussion among semioticians over the
years as to what exactly Peirce meant by "determines" in his saying that
the object determines the sign which in turn determines the interpretant
sign. When I say "discussion" I mean at times downright disagree
Peirce-L
Subject: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Order of Determination
Helmut, list,
Peirce's term "determination" as used in his semeiotics does not concern any
causal or generative interaction, certainly no push/pull sort of thing. As the
second quotation below puts it: "this dete
Gary, list,
"Push-pull" is quite a crude metaphor, ok. But I don´t understand how "placing of constraints or conditions" and "using certain features (...) to generate and shape our understanding" is not causal.
Best, Helmut
04. April 2018 um 22:14 Uhr
"Gary Richmond"
Helmut, list,
Helmut, list,
Peirce's term "determination" as used in his semeiotics does not concern
any causal or generative interaction, certainly no push/pull sort of thing.
As the second quotation below puts it: "this determination is not
determination in any causal sense."
Here *determination* is consider
