Brad
That's a nice little hornets' nest you have stirred up. Except this time you
give the appearance that you actually care about the debate. You even go so
far as to accuse most people on this list and Nader voters generally of
false consciousness.
Meanwhile,
Paul Phillips wrote:
There have
Does it have a foot and mouth disease?
--- Brad DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If your camel is sick, you *might* want to nurse it
a little. You
don't always want to pull out your shotgun and blast
it with both
barrels immediately.
Unless, of course, you believe that angels will
Andrew Hagen writes:
(Are you suggesting that there is a global polarization of income and
wealth? Would you say poor people worldwide became worse off or better
off in the 1990s? My current understanding is that poor people
worldwide become somewhat better off in the 1990s.)
* For some
Penners
Last week the new Zed Books catalogue dropped through the letter box. Among
its delights was a forthcoming volume authored by Steve Keen, University of
Western Sydney, entitled "Debunking Economics: The Naked Emperor of the
Social Sciences." The blurb explains that the book
"explains
The missing term from the title you cite is "Neo-Classical" I think...
Ann Li
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Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 5:53 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:9512] Interesting new book?
Penners
Last week the
Who is to say the IF Nader had not run, Gore wouldn't have performed even
worse in the campaign? There was no major third party candidate in the
1988 election and Dukakis lost all by himself. There is every bit as much
reason to believe that Nader was a burr in Gore's saddle that made him
run
Yoshie:
That's no reason to give up, unless you agree with Brad, Nathan,
etc., which you don't.
Give up on what? If you'll recall from the time you were on the Marxism
list, Jose Perez explained that Marx and Engels were not always involved in
party-building. Sometimes, especially during an ebb
Among those praising the book are erstwhile Penner Henry Liu, URPE stalwart
Don Goldstein and Hugh Stretton. Anybody know anything about this? Rob?
Michael K.
Steve Keen used to be a major presence on PEN-L and the original Spoons
Marxism list until he found his niche on Jerry Levy's OPE-L
Lou says:
Marx and Engels were not always involved in
party-building. Sometimes, especially during an ebb in the class struggle,
they would concentrate on theorizing about the state of the movement and
what to do next.
Theorizing is absolutely important, but given the drift of the
comments on
Penners
Last week the new Zed Books catalogue dropped through the letter box.
Among
its delights was a forthcoming volume authored by Steve Keen, University
of
Western Sydney, entitled "Debunking Economics: The Naked Emperor of the
Social Sciences." The blurb explains that the book
Yoshie:
Theorizing is absolutely important, but given the drift of the
comments on American workers in some recent PEN-l posts, I'm afraid
that some Marxists are often tempted to *theorize* American workers'
revolutionary potential *out of the political window* -- unless the
Second Coming of
G'day Michael,
Among those praising the book are erstwhile Penner Henry Liu, URPE
stalwart Don Goldstein and Hugh Stretton. Anybody know anything about this? Rob?
You can get plenty from Keen's 'web extensions to Debunking Economics' site at:
Published on Saturday, March 24, 2001
Horowitz and the Myth of the Radical University
by Robert Jensen
Thanks to conservative author David Horowitz's recent lecture at the
University of Texas, I have new hope for radical political organizing
on campus.
Many of us on the faculty with
[was: [PEN-L:9519] Re: Re: Socialism American Workers (was Re:
ergonomics, etc.)]
1. The left has to develop a nonsectarian party-building model. It is not
sufficient to work for socialism unless the "Leninist" model is dispensed
with.
In my experience, the phrase "nonsectarian
In my experience, the phrase "nonsectarian party-building" is an oxymoron.
I'm all in favor of having leftist/socialist organizations, but the
emphasis has to be on building the _popular movement_, not the party. The
party has to be a means to that end, not an end in itself.
Jim Devine [EMAIL
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From: "Yoshie Furuhashi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Meanwhile, we work on reforms while getting out a
revolutionary message at the same time. Otherwise, we end up being
not so different from Brad, Nathan, other supporters of the
Democratic Party, except in our self image.
Paul,
I think you are right that there will be little
difference in (former) Yugoslavia, Iraq, or
Colombia. But Korea is another matter.
They may not have reported it in Canada, and
most Americans are blissfully unaware of it,
I am afraid, but Bush has just blown off peace
negotiations in
Brad,
The explanation for why the administration wants
a renewed Cold War with China and Russia is I am
afraid distressingly simple. They want to pay off the
military industrial complex along with the oil and coal
companies.
BTW, there was a front page article in the Sunday
Barkley wrote:
... nobody should be under any illusions whatsoever. The Bush
administration is turning out to be far far worse than anybody forecast
and certainly far worse than a Gore administration would have been. And it
will negatively impact many people in the rest
of the world, I am
Brauchli, Marcus W. 1998. "Speak No Evil: Why the World Bank Failed to
Anticipate Indonesia's Deep Crisis." Wall Street Journal (14 July): p. A
1.
"Jeffrey Winters, a Northwestern University professor who was a
U.S. Agency for International Development consultant in Jakarta in
1989, recalls an
So, Yoshie, you don't think that marxian analysis needs at all to reconsider
household labor, either unpaid housework and child-rearing or marginal
subsistence activity, in the context of feminist and 'third world' critiques?
Even if, e.g., such activity allows wage workers to be paid below
I think that the exchanges on pen-l have become particularly troubling.
It seems that almost everybody wants to discuss the best way to guide
the state from the top. Should you vote for Nader or Gore? What
strategy is best to organize the working-class? Most of these
discussions are too
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See the attached article on Bush's upcoming judicial nominations. He is
going for hard-right nominees of the most extreme sort. Top of the list is
Jeffrey Sutton, currently a partner at Day Jones, but at a young age already
having a track
Jim,
What scares me is that they may be able to get
away with all of this. People do not pay close attention
to all these policy changes. If Bush can have his
recession in the next year or two and then get a
"morning in America" upturn by the next election,
he can pretty damn well do
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CB: I am glad Yoshie has brought this question up once again on the list.
What I don't think all the way through is whether the fact that the workers in the
U.S. whose productivity is raised by more hi tech instruments of production, but who
Louis Proyect wrote:
Unfortunately, this sounds to me like economism of the "What is to be Done"
variety.
Not clear. Are you saying the book itself was economist?
Carrol
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edited by Jim Yong
michael,
You have confused the Ashcroft vote with the
Norton vote. Only 8 Dems voted for Ashcroft while
all the Repugs did. Dems split 25-25 on Norton, again
with all the Repugs supporting her. Of course she was
more the true Bushite than Ashcroft, altering her message
before Congress to
For those interested in more detailed background,
Steve held a seminar on his book over on pkt several
months ago. It was quite lively with extensive commentary
and discusssions. Much of the book is very punchy and
it is well written, but in places it kind of gets lost on tangencies
and
Economic Reporting Review
By Dean Baker
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You can find all ERR prior to August archived at
Ian,
No, the Commerce and Complexity volume is a
different book. Steve was a coeditor of that book.
The full reference is
William A. Barnett, Carl Chiarella, Steve Keen, Robert
Marks (not Marx), Hermann Schnabel (not Julian), eds.,
_Commerce, Complexity, and Evolution: Topics in
Nathan,
I've just been calling for forgetting about 2000.
But, just for the record, was it not the case that the
CPUSA actually supported voting for Gore?
Barkley Rosser
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From: "Nathan Newman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001
J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. wrote:
I've just been calling for forgetting about 2000.
But, just for the record, was it not the case that the
CPUSA actually supported voting for Gore?
I don't know if they ever actually came out and said that, but in the
run-up to the election, the Peoples Weekly
I was referring to the essay he did in that book which is on the link I
provided. Apologies for thinking he did the editing work. The book has some
quite interesting material.
Ian
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From: "J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday,
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From: "J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathan,
I've just been calling for forgetting about 2000.
But, just for the record, was it not the case that the
CPUSA actually supported voting for Gore?
Barkley Rosser
As Doug notes, essentially yes.
Even
As Doug notes, essentially yes.
Even among contemporary explicit Communists, the assertion that no real
socialist supports the Dems is almost definitionally a sectarian position -
which of course means that for all Lou calls for non-sectarianism, he
continues to promote it.
I believe you have
Obshchaya Gazeta
No. 10
March 8-14, 2001,
RED IS IN FASHION
A young generation of communists is gathering strength
Author: Maksim Glikin
[from WPS Monitoring Agency, www.wps.ru/e_index.html]
MORE AND MORE YOUNG PEOPLE WITH GOOD JOBS AND EDUCATIONS ARE JOINING
RADICAL COMMUNIST AND SOCIALIST
Sorry about the blank message...
Cheers, Ken Hanly
March 15, 2001
Nearly four fifths of Russians are nostalgic about Soviet Union
According to a poll conducted by the Public Opinion Foundation shortly
before the 10th anniversary of a referendum on the preservation of the
Soviet Union, the
Doug,
And with Gus Hall dead, they were lacking a
candidate...
Heck, if one wanted to protest, Nader was a wimp
and so was even McReynolds. Might as well show
how off the CPUSA is and vote for the SWP just
to show how right "that prostitute Trotsky" is. And
they even had enough
A point of clarification, please: I did not say that the recession
would save the Democrats. What I did say was that I feared that an
incompetent Gore administration would have trouble recovery from its
association with the recession.
What happened in 1982 was different. The dominant
BLS DAILY REPORT, MONDAY, MARCH 26, 2001:
The Wall Street Journal's "Tracking the Economy" feature (page A10)
indicates that the Consumer Confidence index for March, to be released by
the Conference Board tomorrow, is likely to be 104.9 according to the
Thomson Global Forecast, in
This is an interesting exchange to me in that I am glad to have some reconfirmation
from pros on the depth of the '82 recession.
I would comment on Reagan's communication skills that at that time there was also a
policy, I think , by the monopoly media bosses to give Reagan that teflon. It was
- Original Message -
From: "Louis Proyect" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As Doug notes, essentially yes.
Even among contemporary explicit Communists, the assertion that no real
socialist supports the Dems is almost definitionally a sectarian position -
which of course means that for all Lou calls
I am very much against the trend around these lists to disdain any
conspiracy theories on today's politics. The ruling class had a conscious
policy to make Reagan look good. No more Watergates ! was the discipline of
the ruling class at the time.
On the monopoly media methods, see Michael
Debating who is and is not sectarian is absolutely unproductive. I would like
to hear more about the 1982 downturn compared to today. Remember how Volcker
was able to turn it around by merely loosening the monetary spigot. Will
Greenspan's rate cuts cause a turnaround in six months. What
At 12:45 PM 3/26/01 -0500, you wrote:
They could overdo it. But, most people do not
even know what they are doing. It is a successful
stealth campaign so far.
yeah, but I'm trying to intuit future trends.
As for North Korea, they are probably right that
the DPRK will not outright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/26/01 05:23PM
I am very much against the trend around these lists to disdain any
conspiracy theories on today's politics. The ruling class had a conscious
policy to make Reagan look good. No more Watergates ! was the discipline of
the ruling class at the time.
On the
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From: "Michael Perelman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debating who is and is not sectarian is absolutely unproductive. I would
like
to hear more about the 1982 downturn compared to today. Remember how
Volcker
was able to turn it around by merely loosening the monetary
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/26/01 05:28PM
To Brad: It is only the Nader voters in New Hampshire
and Florida that could have made any difference. In no
other states were there enough of them to sway the
outcome. So, go ahead and pick on the ones in those
states if you want to...
I
Michael Perelman wrote:
Debating who is and is not sectarian is absolutely unproductive. I would like
to hear more about the 1982 downturn compared to today. Remember how Volcker
was able to turn it around by merely loosening the monetary spigot. Will
Greenspan's rate cuts cause a turnaround
At 02:03 PM 3/26/01 -0500, you wrote:
For those like michael perelman who are betting that
a recession will turn this around, let me remind that the
recession of 1982 was the worst since the Great Depression.
It did slow Reagan down by sharply increasing Dem strength
in the Congress. But in 1984
Maksim Glikin wrote:
As we know, communism is a faith for the poor and uneducated. But
it is impossible to say that about those who call themselves "the new
left." Their leftism seems to be just a teenage vice, like smoking pot
in a school lavatory.
this sounds like a good slogan. I think
michael,
If there is a mechanism by which the Bush crew
really brings about a global crash more than a Gore
crew might have, it involves the approach to global
bailouts. O'Neill, Lindsey, et al seem to oppose one
for Turkey, although I have heard nothing on Argentina
yet (maybe they'll get
Jim,
Guns and tobacco. We've been there and
done this one over and over. Same for West Virginia.
Boring.
Barkley Rosser
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From: "Jim Devine" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 5:28 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:9559] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Michael,
I do my organizing off-list. That was my point. What bothers me is that
many intellectuals liberally insult socialist organizers who happen to vote
Democratic as being insufficiently revolutionary. It is that abstract
Olympian position that leads me to ask the queston Gramsci asked-
Jim,
The timing of the Volcker-Reagan recession was
perfect, even though it started nearly a year after
Reagan became president and only when his tax
cuts clashed with Volcker's monetarism to generate
very high interest rates. Even so, you are right. He
got away by blaming Carter.
And
Nathan, while I disagree with your political strategy, your political work
was the key factor in stopping the California State University system from
giving away its high-tech infrastructure. Moreover, nobody should insult
you for your politics on this list.
For the life of me, I cannot figure
Barkley writes:
So, we can carve
Bush's face on Mount Rushmore after they get done doing
Reagan's up there
here in L.A., we have the Ronald Reagan State Office Building, otherwise
known as the Ronald Reagan SOB.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
By all means, organize the left. I just don't think that will make much
progress organizing on an e-mail list.
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
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Um, Seattle.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 22 March 2001 12:02To:
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(please forward this to whom you may
intend)
Dear colleagues,
This is to announce the publication of
a new book
AS TIME GOES
BY - From the
[part II of II]
Andrew Hagen wrote:
you think? the Gore folks seemed much more concerned with "paying down
the [government]
debt" than with helping the U.S. economy.
I base my conjecture on the Gore campaign proposal.
That's not a reliable source for what Gore would actually have done, but
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From: "Michael Perelman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Nathan, while I disagree with your political strategy, your political work
-was the key factor in stopping the California State University system from
-giving away its high-tech infrastructure. Moreover, nobody should
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote:
At some point those Senate Dems are going to have
to get some backbone. The upcoming judicial appointments
look like where things are going to get very serious.
At some point leftists who can' break from the Demicans are going to
have to face the
Barkley R,
Hi -- long time since hearing from you.
Where have you been -- the CPUSA has been part of the at first unofficial
and then gradually more official 'left' wing of the bosses Democratic
Party
beginning at the time of the second Roosevelt Admin. in 1936 . This all
started
back in
Nathan Newman wrote:
A lot of people rightly condemned the Dems in the Senate who rolled over on
the Bankruptcy Bill, but where was the discussion on designing the best
counter-propaganda against the credit card industry? Where were discussions
of sample op-eds that could be developed and fact
Jim D., et al.,
History shows that for the workers to make socialist/workers revolution, to
even
think seriously of toppling the bourg. state/capitals relations, a
Revolutionary marxist
Party is needed and has to begin to be built starting in the non-
revolutionary period , etc.
Yes, we
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From: "Doug Henwood" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathan Newman wrote:
A lot of people rightly condemned the Dems in the Senate who rolled over on
the Bankruptcy Bill, but where was the discussion on designing the best
counter-propaganda against the credit card industry?
Nathan, I was at the center of the controversy. Although his staff supported
us, Tom Hayden refused to do anything. It was the hearings that you got going
that turned the tide. I even had major corporations call me asking what could
be done.
Nathan Newman wrote:
I appreciate that, although
Nathan ,etc, et al,
It does make a difference which political party one embraces or does not
embrace.
It is just ludicrous to claim one is a socialist or marxist, etc, and
support capitalist/bourgeois
political organizations and candidates, platforms, ideas, etc. (Democrats,
etc.) under
[Clearly someone worth engaging, no?]
Another Wall Street slide could set off worldwide deflation. And Japan shows
where that leads
Special report: Japan
Guardian Unlimited Money
John Gray
Tuesday March 27, 2001
The Guardian
"We need to tame deflation and make it benign. To do so we need not
[The old public/private duality is getting fuzzier]
http://www.newscientist.com/dailynews/news.jsp?id=ns552
Free for all
Should all research papers in the biosciences be placed in one, free-access,
web library? Yes, say 12,000 scientists
A row has broken out over whether all scientific
I mainly agree with you and not Doug on this, and anyway fact sheets and
bulletins and letter writing campaigns are what we have just now. We really
can do something to slow the juggernaut, if only we will. How about this, it
isn't much, but it's a bit. Nathan and I and others who track
Tonight PBS showed "Trade Secrets," http://www.pbs.org/tradesecrets/,
a Bill Moyers documentary about how the chemical industry has littered
the ecosphere with poisons and covered it up. Moyers had a "body
burden" test performed, and found he was personally carrying about 84
chemicals, including
Could a kind person list the Federal minimum wage increases in the USA since
the mid-1980s.
Thanks.
Kind regards
Martin
Martin Watts
Deputy Director
Centre of Full Employment and Equity (CofFEE)
Department of Economics
University of Newcastle
New South Wales 2308
Australia
Email: [EMAIL
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Another interesting new book, going against the grain, for Zed
Press, no(?), is by a French journalist who works for the Evening
Telegraph or the Sunday Times. On the Rwandan genocide and U.N.
inaction. Michael Pugliese
From: Ian Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 3/26/01
I think we need to realize what is going on.
The Reagan right is in control and is now attempting
to carry through its quasi-revolutionary program on
the United States and the world at large. Bush even
has the smiley face and moderate family background
to serve as the front man for this
[please erase if you're not interested.]
I wrote:
In my experience, the phrase nonsectarian party-building is an oxymoron.
I'm all in favor of having leftist/socialist organizations, but the
emphasis has to be on building the _popular movement_, not the party. The
party has to be a means to
Jim Devine wrote:
Maksim Glikin wrote:
As we know, communism is a faith for the poor and uneducated. But
it is impossible to say that about those who call themselves the new
left. Their leftism seems to be just a teenage vice, like smoking pot
in a school lavatory.
this sounds like a good
At 14:35 26/03/01 -0500, Barkley wrote:
For those interested in more detailed background,
Steve held a seminar on his book over on pkt several
months ago. It was quite lively with extensive commentary
and discusssions. Much of the book is very punchy and
it is well written, but in places
The difference between discussing the issues and debating sectarianism is
that I hope that we would learn something from the former. I do not think
that the prospects of learning from debating the second are very high.
I do not think that we will be able to predict the future, but I think
that
By all means, organize the left. I just don't think that will make much
progress organizing on an e-mail list.
Nathan Newman wrote:
Michael, seriously, why is any of this discussion important if there is no
left organization to do something with the analysis?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics
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