Fwd: May Day - violence is our enemy

2001-05-01 Thread Chris Burford
On 25th April I commented on an extensive article by George Monbiot (spotted by Ian) with the following words: Arguably these proposals by George Monbiot are nothing but a reformist and palely green cover for the continued development of capitalism. Under the guise of provocatively

holiday

2001-05-01 Thread Andrew Hagen
Today is a holiday, but my country doesn't recognize it. Today is a day of daring feats, but my country isn't told of them. This day, May Day, is not only for the heroes of the past, however, it is a day for each one of us, in every country. A cyber-toast, then, if you will, to all the activists,

Worker-student alliance at Harvard

2001-05-01 Thread Louis Proyect
HARVARD TO WORKERS: LET THEM EAT CULTURE A Mother Reports on Her Daughter's Sitting-In for Living Wages Andree Pages is a writer and artist in New York City. She graduated from Harvard College in 1977. In 1976, as a financial aid student at Harvard University, I worked as a campus security

Re: Re: Positivism wrap up (for me!)

2001-05-01 Thread Justin Schwartz
Scott, I'm tired of the discussion too, so I'll just say that the debate about Mach and whether he was a doctrinaire nut is the sort of inclusive dispute about whether scholars can differ. Einstein, however, with his rejection of quantum indeterminism on philosophical grounds, was in no

The last 3 sentences...

2001-05-01 Thread Ian Murray
Published on May 1, 2001 in the Independent / UK The May Day Protesters are Right to Challenge the March of Globalisation Editorial Whatever the outcome of today's May Day demonstrations, the questions they raise are already challenging some of our assumptions about capitalism, globalisation

Re: holiday

2001-05-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Andrew Hagen wrote: Today is a holiday, but my country doesn't recognize it. Today is a day of daring feats, but my country isn't told of them. In the U.S., May 1 is both Loyalty Day and Law Day. Here's how Bill Clinton proclaimed Loyalty Day last year. Doug

Antonio Negri

2001-05-01 Thread Louis Proyect
I finally got around to reading the Lingua Franca piece on Antonio Negri, which--in my opinion--helps to shed light on problems facing the anti-globalization movement today. I learned that Negri was a guru of the autonomist movement in Italy in the mid-1970s that seemed to have as much of a

Big Water Transfer Deal in California

2001-05-01 Thread Tim Bousquet
Big farm water transfer deal OK'd Sacramento Bee - 5/1/01 By Paul Schnitt, staff writer Farmers in drought-stricken western Fresno and Kings counties can count on a sizable infusion of water this year from Sacramento Valley irrigation districts thanks to an agreement signed Monday. In what is

Re: Antonio Negri

2001-05-01 Thread Michael Pugliese
Semiotext(e) published a collection of original pieces by the autonomia crowd. These URL's from a google search should find some of that issue. http://www.google.com/search?q=Autonomia++Semiotext%28e%29 (That issue as well as a subsequent issue on Germany are great. Someone should ask

comments on the NAIRU

2001-05-01 Thread Jim Devine
If anyone wants to see a rough draft of a short paper I wrote in reference to Brad deLong's finding that as productivity growth surges, the so-called Non-Accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment (NAIRU) falls, please write to me off-list. I argue that inflation falls as profitability surges,

Re: RE: Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread Brad DeLong
Brad, when is this puppy coming out? max October...

Re: Re: RE: Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Brad DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:11 AM Subject: [PEN-L:11032] Re: RE: Re: brad de long textbook Brad, when is this puppy coming out? max October... = Will it be competitively priced vis a vis

Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Mankiw got a $1 million advance to write his text. Brad probably got more since inflation has continued. On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 10:28:06AM -0700, Ian Murray wrote: Will it be competitively priced vis a vis other econ texts, which are among the highest priced college texts that exist [and

Baffler burns

2001-05-01 Thread Doug Henwood
[Give generously!!!] Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:38:47 +0800 From: The Baffler Magazine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Friend of The Baffler: On the morning of April 25th, our office and the unique building in which it was housed were destroyed in a fire. In addition to the Baffler office, the

RE: Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread Brown, Martin (NCI)
And I'm sure he is donating all his advance and royalties back to UC to underwrite scholarships for low income and minority students, matching in action, his rhetoric to others about thier moral obligations to California society. -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman

Statistics and capitalist progress

2001-05-01 Thread Louis Proyect
From United Nations Development Programme Human Development Indicators (HDI) Report, 2000: Country 1975 HDI1998 HDINet gain Romania 0.750 0.770 +0.020 === The Economist July 15, 2000 , U.S. Edition Can Moldova get worse? WHAT

Re: Statistics and capitalist progress

2001-05-01 Thread Jim Devine
At 02:52 PM 5/1/01 -0400, you wrote: From United Nations Development Programme Human Development Indicators (HDI) Report, 2000: Country 1975 HDI1998 HDINet gain Romania 0.750 0.770 +0.020 === The Economist July 15, 2000 , U.S.

RE: Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread Eric Nilsson
Plug I too have a textbook coming out in September or October. (Or maybe later depending on what I do this summer: so may obligations; so little time). I had previously thought I'd have it done by now but Oh, and I did not get $1 million advance ... Title: Microeconomics: The Quest for

Re: Re: Statistics and capitalist progress

2001-05-01 Thread Louis Proyect
How did we go from Romania to Moldava? they're distinct countries, though next to each other. More importantly, the statistics don't contradict the story (assuming, for argument's sake, that Romania = Moldava). Imagine that Romania did really well in terms of rising HDI from 1975 to, say,

Re: Statistics and capitalist progress

2001-05-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect quoted statistics about Romania and, mysteriously, an article about Moldova: From United Nations Development Programme Human Development Indicators (HDI) Report, 2000: Country1975 HDI1998 HDINet gain Romania0.750

Re: RE: Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread Jim Devine
At 12:14 PM 5/1/01 -0700, you wrote: Plug I too have a textbook coming out in September or October. (Or maybe later depending on what I do this summer: so may obligations; so little time). I had previously thought I'd have it done by now but Oh, and I did not get $1 million advance ...

Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Jim, Mankiw, like Brad, is also quite smart. His book sucks, but it was successful,the publishers tell me. On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 12:37:40PM -0700, Jim Devine wrote: At 12:14 PM 5/1/01 -0700, you wrote: Plug I too have a textbook coming out in September or October. (Or maybe later

Re: Re: Statistics and capitalist progress

2001-05-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Louis Proyect didn't quote: 1975 HDI 1998 HDI gain Argentina 0.781 0.837 +0.056 Sorry I didn't dwell on this factoid. It would have made the point much more strongly than any that could have been made about Romania. Use of 1975 as a starting point is

Re: Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread Jim Devine
[Mankiw's] book sucks, but it was successful,the publishers tell me. that means that according to the objective market test that we're all supposed to be forced to take (in this Brave NeoLiberal World of ours), it _doesn't_ suck. After all, it's the sovereign consumers who decide what sucks

Argentina

2001-05-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Although I certainly don't have the time myself to deconstruct the HDI stats for Argentina, even a cursory glance through Lexis-Nexis points in the direction of how flawed the figures are. They don't take emigration into account. If emigration was against the law, as it was in the USSR, the HDI

Re: Re: Re: Statistics and capitalist progress

2001-05-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: Use of 1975 as a starting point is even more misleading from the standpoint of social science. Argentina has been going downhill since the overthrow of Peron. HDI, Argentina 1975 0.781 1980 0.795 1985 0.801 1990 0.804 1998 0.837 social stats, Argentina (source: World

Re: Re: Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Jim Devine wrote: BTW, I don't know about publishing advances (never having received one). I've heard that it doesn't come in a lump sum, that there are all sorts of restrictions, and (maybe) that a lot of the publishing costs are paid for out of the advance. Typically you get an advance in

Re: Re: Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread Ian Murray
[Mankiw's] book sucks, but it was successful,the publishers tell me. that means that according to the objective market test that we're all supposed to be forced to take (in this Brave NeoLiberal World of ours), it _doesn't_ suck. After all, it's the sovereign consumers who decide what

Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread Michael Perelman
The consumer is the instructor. Mankiw's text is like cotton candy. It gives the student the feeling that the teacher is teaching something. It makes the illusion of teaching simpler. On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 12:49:58PM -0700, Jim Devine wrote: [Mankiw's] book sucks, but it was

RE: Re: Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread Eric Nilsson
Jim wrote, After all, it's the sovereign consumers who decide what sucks and what doesn't suck. But remember one of the key characteristics of the textbook market--the ultimate user (the student) does not pick the book. The professor does (and most often the professor does not have

Re: Re: Re: Re: Statistics and capitalist progress

2001-05-01 Thread Louis Proyect
I cite this stuff not to say that neoliberalism is wonderful or that Argentina is paradise. Neoliberalism is a crime against humanity, and Argentina could do a lot better under a more humane regime. But it's just wrong to say that it's all a story of going uninterrupedly downhill. Doug As I

Re: RE: Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread Brad DeLong
And I'm sure he is donating all his advance and royalties back to UC to underwrite scholarships for low income and minority students, matching in action, his rhetoric to others about thier moral obligations to California society. Learn to spell their.

Re: RE: Re: Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread Jim Devine
At 01:28 PM 5/1/01 -0700, you wrote: Jim wrote, After all, it's the sovereign consumers who decide what sucks and what doesn't suck. Eric writes (as does Michael Perelman): But remember one of the key characteristics of the textbook market--the ultimate user (the student) does not pick the

Re: Re: RE: Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread Jim Devine
At 01:37 PM 5/1/01 -0700, you wrote: And I'm sure he is donating all his advance and royalties back to UC to underwrite scholarships for low income and minority students, matching in action, his rhetoric to others about thier moral obligations to California society. Learn to spell their.

Mexico

2001-05-01 Thread Ian Murray
May 1, 2001 http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/01/business/01MEXI.html Goodyear Cuts Jobs in Mexico By GRAHAM GORI TULTITLÁN, Mexico - Gonzalo Ugalde Gámez, a 68-year-old union leader whose right eye hunkers down into a mean slit during moments of brutal honesty, took the lectern before a

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread Ian Murray
Learn to spell their. somewhere I saw an instruction manual about how to start flame wars on the Internet. One of the points was to correct everyone's spelling. Since many people don't have spell-checkers on their e-mail programs and because spelling standards are especially low in

RE: Re: RE: Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread Brown, Martin (NCI)
Oh, that's a high level of debate! How about answering the question? YOU are the one who brought up the moral obligation stuff, not me. [This message grammar and spell-checked.] -Original Message- From: Brad DeLong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 4:37 PM To:

My apology

2001-05-01 Thread Brown, Martin (NCI)
Actually, I want to apologize to pen-l for these two posts. Offline Brad explained to me his philosophy of being obnoxious to people in email discussion groups because it is a good technique for stimulating intellectual discusssion. But, not agreeing with him on this, I should not have taken the

Nestor on HDI

2001-05-01 Thread Louis Proyect
En relación a Query for Nestor, el 1 May 01, a las 15:53, Louis Proyect dijo: 1975 HDI 1998 HDI gain Argentina 0.781 0.837 +0.056 This strikes me as odd. Is Argentina so much better off today than it was in 1975? Or are there better years to use as

Re: Nestor on HDI

2001-05-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: En relación a Query for Nestor, el 1 May 01, a las 15:53, Louis Proyect dijo: 1975 HDI 1998 HDI gain Argentina 0.781 0.837 +0.056 This strikes me as odd. Is Argentina so much better off today than it was in 1975? Or are there

Re: Low productivity in the Global South

2001-05-01 Thread charlie
Re: Low productivity in the Global South Brad DeLong referred to the United Nations Development Program. He said, You can take a look at trends in the HDI since the 1970s at http://www.undp.org/hdro/BackMatter1.pdf. The claim that people in developing countries today are worse off than their

Re: Statistics and capitalist progress

2001-05-01 Thread Michael Perelman
I think that these exchanges are very enlightening, showing how difficult it is to analyze economic development in absolutist terms. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re: Nestor on HDI

2001-05-01 Thread Louis Proyect
You might want to pass this info along to him: 1) it's not privately generated, it comes from the UN Development Program, Doug Actually, if you look at the report itself, you will discover that the main sources for the statistics are the World Bank and IMF: International Monetary Fund (IMF):

Re: Re: Re: Nestor on HDI

2001-05-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: Actually, if you look at the report itself, you will discover that the main sources for the statistics are the World Bank and IMF: If you look at the report itself you will discover that the sources are: life expectancy: UN Population Division literacy: UNESCO school

RE: Re: Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread Colin Danby
Congratulations to Eric for doing this and I hope more people follow. This material should be free. Look at, say, one of Kindleberger's textbooks from 30 years back. You get excellent, clearly-written, _text_: sentences, paragraphs, sections, and chapters meant to be read like a real book, not

Re: Re: Re: Low productivity in the Global South

2001-05-01 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Brad, I think all this ribbing about your textbook is a bit off colour (I'd buy it if I weren't stuck with Australian kopeks), but I reserve the right to disagree with you. Everyone--at least everyone who was honest--agreed that improvements in working-class standards of living during

Re: Re: Re: Nestor on HDI

2001-05-01 Thread Colin Danby
The UNDP is not perfect but it's quite distinct from the IMF and World Bank -- The Human in the _Human Development Report_ was chosen as an implied criticism of the World Bank's _World Development Report._ The HDI is of course more a rhetorical tool than a measure of anything, but if you don't

Re: Low productivity in the Global South

2001-05-01 Thread Michael Perelman
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:28:21AM +, Rob Schaap wrote: I think all this ribbing about your textbook is a bit off colour (I'd buy it if I weren't stuck with Australian kopeks), but I reserve the right to disagree with you. I suspect that most of us who teach economics would find brats

Re: RE: Re: Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread jdevine
Colin writes: We need an evolving collection of freeware books, chapters, exercises, problem sets, handouts, examples, interactive tutorials, and whatnot -- enough so that you could put on a decent intro course without making students buy anything. Then let publishers turn their efforts to

Re: RE: Re: Re: brad de long textbook

2001-05-01 Thread Michael Perelman
The colors in the books are very important. A student who aims for a C just has to read the red stuff; for a B, the student has to read the blue stuff also; but for an A black print is also important. On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 05:41:32PM -0700, Colin Danby wrote: Congratulations to Eric for

re: Nestor on the HDI

2001-05-01 Thread Jim Devine
It shouldn't surprise anyone that the IMF and the WB are major sources of UN data. But that doesn't mean we should throw out all those data as bogus. If so, Louis should stop sending pen-l articles from the New York TIMES and similar ruling-class sources. But the emerging global ruling class

Re: Re: Re: Re: Nestor on HDI

2001-05-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Provided you understand what they're measuring, there's also no shame in using IMF or World Bank data. These two organizations have a lot of power, and as a result they can get prompt figures out of a lot of countries on a lot of things. The UN, lacking such power, tends to be about five years

Re: re: Nestor on the HDI

2001-05-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Jim Devine: It shouldn't surprise anyone that the IMF and the WB are major sources of UN data. But that doesn't mean we should throw out all those data as bogus. Why not. The IMF and World Bank data is highly politicized. It is used all the time to support reactionary ultimatums against

Next World Social Forum

2001-05-01 Thread Ian Murray
May 1, 2001, Palo Alto Dear Activists, You are invited to join the North American Mobilization Committee for the next World Social Forum/s 2002 and to attend our first meeting- At Presentation Center, Santa Cruz Mountains, near San Jose, California Friday, June 8th 3:30 pm- Sunday, June 10th

Re: Re: Re: Re: Nestor on HDI

2001-05-01 Thread Colin Danby
I have little quarrel with the substance of Lou's latest argument -- my weasel words were provided you understand what they're measuring. As far as I understand it, in general the data that UN and Bretton Woods agencies report are gathered by national governments, not directly by these agencies.

Speaking of Numbers...

2001-05-01 Thread Stephen E Philion
SCMP Wednesday, May 2, 2001 LABOUR DAY Re-employment figures fall to record low for quarter __ The percentage of jobless people who returned to the workforce fell to a record low in the first quarter of this

the enemy's statistics

2001-05-01 Thread Jim Devine
[was: Re: Nestor on HDI ] I wrote: It shouldn't surprise anyone that the IMF and the WB are major sources of UN data. But that doesn't mean we should throw out all those data as bogus. Louis answers: Why not. The IMF and World Bank data is highly politicized. It is used all the time to

Re: Re: Re: Re: Nestor on HDI

2001-05-01 Thread Martin Hart-Landsberg
One thing to note about the HDI: as far as I know HDI values are not comparable from year to year. Each year's index is standardized within the range of countries. In other words it is not based solely on a country's performance but rather relativized. Moreover, many of the international

Martin Brown's a Liar

2001-05-01 Thread Brad DeLong
Actually, I want to apologize to pen-l for these two posts. Offline Brad explained to me his philosophy of being obnoxious to people in email discussion groups because it is a good technique for stimulating intellectual discusssion. But, not agreeing with him on this, I should not have taken the

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nestor on HDI

2001-05-01 Thread Brad DeLong
I have little quarrel with the substance of Lou's latest argument -- my weasel words were provided you understand what they're measuring. As far as I understand it, in general the data that UN and Bretton Woods agencies report are gathered by national governments, not directly by these agencies.

US loses another in WTO

2001-05-01 Thread Ian Murray
WTO Rejects US Lamb Dispute Appeal A World Trade Organization Appeals Panel Rejects a U.S. Appeal in Lamb Dispute GENEVA (AP) _ A World Trade Organization appeals panel on Tuesday upheld a ruling that the United States acted illegally when it increased import tariffs on lamb from Australia and

Re: Martin Brown's a Liar

2001-05-01 Thread Michael Perelman
This sort of exchange does not belong here. On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 08:40:39PM -0700, Brad DeLong wrote: Actually, I want to apologize to pen-l for these two posts. Offline Brad explained to me his philosophy of being obnoxious to people in email discussion groups because it is a good

Re: US loses another in WTO

2001-05-01 Thread Rob Schaap
Reported Ian, A World Trade Organization appeals panel on Tuesday upheld a ruling that the United States acted illegally when itincreased import tariffs on lamb from Australia and New Zealand. Yeah, ya bastards. The panel rejected a U.S. appeal against last year's decision and

Re: Antonio Negri

2001-05-01 Thread Michael Perelman
I have not studied Negri in any detail, but much of the early work that I read was quite interesting. The conspiracy regarding Negri was very interesting that the time. I suspect it is not worth going into detail about it now. The Communists at the time, in Italy as in France, felt threatened