I think in all Hakki's veiws on how society reverts to a patriachial tribal social order in times of crisis, and overall disarticulation are well presented. I really do not know enough about the presonal history of Ocalan and now i do not think that this matters in this context since we know the
Looks like the Brits are taking the Millennium Challenge lessons seriously
(that was the US war games where the invasion fleet was sunk by small
suicide boats)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4622610,00.html
British navy fears suicide boat attacks
Jamie Wilson in Bahrain
Tuesday March 11,
Subject: Fw: U.S. diplomat's letter of resignation
EDITOR'S NOTE: What follows is a letter of resignation
written by John Brady Kiesling, a member of Bush's
Foreign Service Corps and Political Counselor to the
American embassy in Greece. Kiesling has been a
diplomat for twenty
Forgive me if I am repeating what is known in the USA, but I think our
media are much more searching on the question of Iraq, than that in the
States. Have people picked up that one of the main ways the US is going to
run Iraq is by use of the regular Iraqi army, under a US general of course?
Those of us who do not come from countries of muslim cultural background
need to have a prejudice in favour of understanding the struggles of people
within those countries. However it is difficult to take strong sides about
struggles which we cannot know about in detail. That is particularly so
At 7:57 AM + 3/11/03, Chris Burford wrote:
Blair's tactics towards public opinion seem to be almost masochistic
It makes sense that the Bush junta believed it's in their interest to
invade Iraq, thought and still think that they can get away with it,
and believe that they can't back down now
I
didn't open the can of worms willingly, as you will recall. My position is: Know
the man for what he is, but the less said the better.
I don't
advocate the condemnation of Ocalan or the PKK at this point since the Kurds of
the Southeast have chosen him as their leader for better or
soula avramidis wrote:
I think in all Hakki's veiws on how society reverts to a patriachial
tribal social order in times of crisis, and overall disarticulation are
well presented.
There was nothing of the sort presented here. This was what we heard
from Hakki:
Paradoxically, the forcible and
My knowledge of Turkey is very limited. Right now, my main concern is the
extent to which Turkey aids American imperialism. I am also distraught by
the United States support for the repression of the Kurds.
I think that the detailed debates about the intricacies of Turkish
politics might be far
|| -Original Message-
|| From: Chris Burford
|| Those of us who do not come from countries of muslim cultural background
|| need to have a prejudice in favour of understanding the
|| struggles of people
|| within those countries. However it is difficult to take strong
|| sides about
||
|| -Original Message-
|| From: Chris Burford
|| It is true that broadly there are two types of terrorism: one is that of
|| opposition groups aiming to destablise a regime. The other is
|| the sort of
|| terrorism that states take for granted as legitimate: to use the
|| threat of
||
|| -Original Message-
|| From:Louis Proyect
||
|| Paradoxically, the forcible and violent disbanding of Indian tribes
|| during the founding years of the republic probably helped this process
|| and was thereforely ultimately beneficial to both the Indians and the
|| Americans.
What
|| -Original Message-
|| From: Michael Perelman
||
||
|| My knowledge of Turkey is very limited. Right now, my main
|| concern is the
|| extent to which Turkey aids American imperialism. I am also
|| distraught by
|| the United States support for the repression of the Kurds.
||
|| I
Michael Perelman wrote:
I think that the detailed debates about the intricacies of Turkish
politics might be far afield of the focus of this list right now.
I.e., one of the parties to this debate is volatile, so let's move on
to something else?
Doug
Hakki Alacakaptan wrote:
What Indians? They were exterminated. Or do you equate the disruption of
feudal society with the American indian genocide?
Of course. I am not a social Darwinist. I am opposed to Walt Rostow
modernization schemas even when they are cloaked in Marxist rhetoric.
The notion
It's a pretty important question, IMO. I have no
idea who is right. I'd like to know more. The
challenge is for partisans of either side to provide
third-party corroboration for their claims.
Vituperation is not going to persuade anyone here.
We understand LP's inclination to support
The UN if necessary but not necessarily the UN. Or the UN if it furthers US
aims and gives it a fig leaf of legitimacy --and helps cover costs--but the
US can blow everything to bits alone or with a few running dogs of
imperialism as Mao would have put it..
Cheers, Ken Hanly
Future
Tue March
http://www.prospect.org
The Taxonomist
Saddling Our Kids With Debt
Robert S. McIntyre
I've long been a bit of a conservative on fiscal policy. Of course, that
dates back to when conservative was spelled with a c. What passes for
conservatism in this country these days seems to be a combination of
|| -Original Message-
|| From: Max B. Sawicky
|| Deciding who is and is not a 'nation' is a dicey business
|| for an outsider. Some nations are defined by the oppression
|| they suffer at the hands of others. The Palestinians, for
|| instance. Or the black race. That doesn't
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
March 2, 2003
Fed-Up Viewers Say, No More Lies!
People Smash Their TVs at NBC Studios
WASHINGTON, DC - Early Sunday morning [3-2-03], a group of
disgruntled television viewers calling themselves Meet The People
disowned their television sets in
In the United States alone there are over 100 tribes with populations over
one thousand and a total population of over 1.8 million. I dont know which
tribes were wiped out in the US but in Canada the only one I am aware of is
the Beothuk in Newfoundland. In Canada the aboriginal population has a
Hakki:
Are you aware that Barzani wants to occupy a
city that has been demographically Turkoman
for 4 centuries and probably still is
despite Kurdish and Iraqi ethnic cleansing?
This is where you screw up Hakki.
Late Mehmet Abi, the doorman of our apartment building back in
those good old
Editor
Sacramento Bee
Sacramento CA
Dear Editor,
The Bee should be ashamed of its (lack of) coverage of the Code Pink
arrests in Washington DC Saturday. The only mention was is the final
two paragraphs of a war round-up story on page one continued to the
back.
If Julia Roberts had spilled a
Guardian leader on the New World Order
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,911662,00.html
stressing the long term mutuality of (imperialist) interests which will
respond to a multi-lateral approach once Bush has gone.
It does not point out explicitly that cutting across this story of
Yet another article by Monbiot that is thoughtful passionate and cogent.
A wilful blindness:
Why can't liberal interventionists see that Iraq is part of a bid to cement
US global power?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,911583,00.html
Chris Burford
London
Title: congress
One more proof
that congress is the opposite of
progress.
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Mar 11, 12:30 PM
(ET)
By JIM
ABRAMS
WASHINGTON (AP) - House cafeterias will be serving fries with a side
order of patriotism Tuesday with a decision by GOP lawmakers to
replace the French cuisine
New York Times, Feb. 25, 2003
Deborah Cook Is the Typical Bush Judicial Nominee - So Watch Out
By ADAM COHEN
he case before the Ohio Supreme Court looked simple enough. Thomas Davis, a forklift
operator at an Ohio Wal-Mart, was crushed to death at work. When his widow sued,
Wal-Mart fought
i'm looking - as i send this message - at pic on my wall of tommie smith (gold
medalist in 200 meters) john carlos (bronze medalist in same race) refusing to look
at u.s. flag during national anthem, with gloved fists held high at mexico city
olympic games in 68... michael hoover
Published
As a footnote to Ken's post, at the time the Europeans invaded
North America the total aboriginal population in what is now
Canada is estimated at approximately 500,000. If that figure is
close to correct, then there are now three times or more aboriginals
in Canada than there were 500 years
[Sydney (Australia) Morning Herald]
Second US diplomat quits over war
March 11 2003
A veteran US diplomat resigned today in protest over US policy toward
Iraq, becoming the second career foreign service officer to do so in
the past month.
John Brown, who joined the State Department in 1981,
The Plan
Were Neo-Conservatives' 1998 Memos a Blueprint for Iraq War?
March 10
- Years before George W. Bush entered the White House, and years
before the Sept. 11 attacks set the direction of his presidency, a
group of influential neo-conservatives hatched a plan to get Saddam
Hussein out of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a footnote to Ken's post, at the time the Europeans invaded
North America the total aboriginal population in what is now
Canada is estimated at approximately 500,000. If that figure is
close to correct, then there are now three times or more aboriginals
in Canada than
Here's a fun graphic that shows how Geroge W. is manipulated by Big Oil.
http://www.stopesso.com/funstuff/nose.html
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Drop Bush, Not Bombs!
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During times of universal deceit,
telling the truth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a footnote to Ken's post, at the time the Europeans
invaded North America the total aboriginal population in
what is now Canada is estimated at approximately 500,000.
If that figure is close to correct, then there are now
three times or more aboriginals in
US firms set for postwar contracts
Danny Penman and agencies
The Guardian
Tuesday March 11, 2003
The American government is on the verge of awarding construction contracts
worth hundreds of millions of dollars to rebuild Iraq once Saddam Hussein
is deposed.
Halliburton, one of the companies in
At 2003-03-11 18:24 +0200, you wrote:
I know you mean well,
Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt.
I really feel too ignorant of Turkish or Kurdish organisations to know
which one I support.
Also as I regard virtually the whole population of muslim countries as
oppressed and exploited
Wednesday morning's broadsheet press in England leads on the little
Freudian slip by Rumsfeld. No one can analyse why he did it. Whether to
warn the Brits that the US would not wait for them to agonise about a
second UN resolution for ever, whether to be sensitive to Tony Blair's
Title: afl-cio shake-up: Businessweek/MARCH 17, 2003
http://www.businessweek.com:/print/premium/content/03_11/b3824091.htm?mz)
Question: Anyone have any idea whether the salaries of these worthies
are published anywhere?
Hari Kumar
On Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 17:16:56 (-0500) Doug Henwood writes:
...
As a footnote to Ken's post, at the time the Europeans invaded
North America the total aboriginal population in what is now
Canada is estimated at approximately 500,000. If that figure is
close to correct, then there are now
[The following note came to the Socialist Register listserv, courtesy
of Sid Shniad.]
Dear friends and comrades,
Last year in April, many of us watched in horror at the coup against
the elected government of Venezuela and rejoiced when the people and
the army restored that government to
Chris Burford wrote:
1441 was drafted to win a unanimous vote, and then to be open to
various interpretations. It was not drafted to ensure that the
hegemons would have watertight legal protection against litigation.
I don't get this. Legality matters for political legitimacy, of
course, but
Tuesday morning the BBC noted that the US administration had not invited
any British companies to bid for $900 million post-war Iraq construction
contracts.
As the Guardian put it
The move shows foresight as the US contemplates the enormous task of
rebuilding Iraq after a likely war and 10
Subject: Call for conference of radical academics in all disciplines
from Radical Caucus of MLA
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:44:08 -0500
From: Steve Rosenthal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PSN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was asked to post this draft of a call for a conference of radical
academics
CBSnews.com
Do You Want Freedom Fries With That?
WASHINGTON, March 11, 2003
House cafeterias will be serving fries with a side order of
patriotism Tuesday with a decision by GOP lawmakers to replace
the French cuisine with freedom fries.
This action today is a small but symbolic effort to show
Actually, Doug, I don't think you are right. We are in the middle of
negotiating new treaties and settling land claims that date from
this period and our (European) treatment of the Aboriginals at this
time is one of the major factors in the determination of Aboriginal
rights. It is, very
You left out relevant parts of Burford's post:
b) It seems likely that the British Cabinet, trying to be conscientious
footsoldiers for the future Government of the World, have indeed taken
professional advice about the legality of going to war without explicit UN
authorisation, and the opinion
French Fries Get New Name in Congress
Tue Mar 11, 1:49 PM ET Add Politics - U. S. Congress to My
Yahoo!
By JIM ABRAMS, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - Show the flag and pass the ketchup was the order of
the day in House cafeterias Tuesday. Lawmakers struck a lunchtime
blow against the
Industry is dying a slow, lonely death
The government has relied on market forces for too long
Larry Elliott
Wednesday March 12, 2003
The Guardian
What's left of the British steel industry was on the edge of the precipice
last night. Corus, the company that owns the former British Steel, said
Deflationary Virus Spreading Worldwide
Abstract:
Toshihiko FUKUI (Chairman, Fujitsu Research Institute) argues that deflation is no
longer a problem peculiar to Japan and the whole world is starting to see the
phenomenon as it spreads across an increasingly integrated global economy. China,
BP panel warns of risk to human rights in Indonesia
Terry Macalister
Wednesday March 12, 2003
The Guardian
BP has been warned by a panel of experts led by the US senator, George
Mitchell, that it could trigger human rights abuses if it proceeds with a
$2bn gas scheme in Indonesia.
Concern
I mentioned Gertrude Bell in my Turk-bashing season post. Have a look at
her diaries (www.gerty.ncl.ac.uk), especially 1920. Apparently they've
become compulsory reading at the Pentagon. I can't imagine why, since they
offer abundant proof that US imperialists will never be a match for the TE
This is supposed to be an argument? Everybody has Kurdish friends. I was
married to a wonderful lady who was half Kurdish. I worked for a Kurd, and
it was very inspiring. As a buck private, I had Kurdish sergeants who sat
around in the mess playing a saz and singing Kurdish songs who called us
Rumsfeld had to write his lines last night, in the face of what the BBC
described this morning as a firestorm from London. Their commentator at the
UN interpreted his Freudian slip as a deliberate move by the Bush
unilateralists to signal to London their contempt of the UN process and
their
Hakki:
I'd appreciate if Sabri and others would not
resort to provocative language when they can't
come up with arguments.
You know that I don't argue with you. Arguing with you is
completely meaningless. It is like talking to the walls. There is
no difference between the two actions. In
Not that I agree with everything he says but this Norwegian
fellow is sincere. I believe it with my heart.
Sabri
+
http://istanbul.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/608.php
To the citizens of the world
by Sjur CP Tuesday March 11, 2003 at 01:37 PM
If we don't do it this time, it might be to
From The Secret Lives of Lawrence of Arabia by Phillip Knightley and
Colin Simpson:
What did Hogarth have in mind for Lawrence ? He cannot, at this early stage
have foreseen the role both he and Lawrence would play in the Arab Revolt.
But, like other academics at Oxford, he had given a lot of
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