Kremlin tightens its control over Russias economy

2004-08-10 Thread Chris Doss
Financial Times (UK) August 5, 2004 Kremlin tightens its control over Russia’s economy By CAROLA HOYOS and ARKADY OSTROVSKY On July 22, the day that Yukos, the oil company, warned of its imminent bankruptcy and its main production subsidiary was seized by bailiffs, Vladimir Putin, the Russian

Looming natural gas shortages

2004-08-10 Thread Louis Proyect
What's that hissing sound? Worried about oil running out? Don't look now, but natural gas is next on the endangered hydrocarbons list. - - - - - - - - - - - - By Jeff Nachtigal, salon.com Aug. 10, 2004 | Oil prices hit an all-time high Monday, topping out at $44.97 a barrel. There are a bundle

Re: Looming natural gas shortages

2004-08-10 Thread Chris Doss
Electricity is generated by coal, nuclear power, hydropower or natural gas. Natural gas currently powers about 20 percent of the United States' electricity plants, but that rate is sharply rising because low cost has made gas the fuel of choice. In 2003, more than 300 new gas-fired power stations

Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Marvin Gandall
One of the 200 business executives who came out for Kerry last week was Leo Hindery, a former CEO of Global Crossing and AT T Broadband. In todays Financial Times, Hindery identifies the major reasons why a small segment of the corporate sector - what the left has traditionally called the

Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Louis Proyect
Marvin Gandall wrote: Hindery, in effect, accuses members of the US business elite of placing their narrow personal and company interests ahead of their class interests, and the Bush administration of pandering to their selfish needs rather than acting in line with its broader responsibility as

Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Kenneth Campbell
The lesson here is to remain militant in the streets, not to back a bourgeois politician. Ironically, this is, itself, a flawed analogy. Militant in the streets is lingo from an era of ascendant working class interests -- in particular, radical lingo from the 60s-70s. (Militancy, itself, is older

Kerry versus Nader on the Mideast

2004-08-10 Thread Louis Proyect
The Cause of Israel is the Cause of America By SEN. JOHN KERRY My first trip to Israel made real for me all I'd believed about Israel. I was allowed to fly an air force jet from the Ovda Airbase. It was then that Israeli insecurity about narrow borders became very real to me. In a matter of

Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
The lesson here is to remain militant in the streets, not to back a bourgeois politician. Ironically, this is, itself, a flawed analogy. Militant in the streets is lingo from an era of ascendant working class interests -- in particular, radical lingo from the 60s-70s. (Militancy, itself, is older

What is the total wealth ?

2004-08-10 Thread Charles Brown
Yea, a bridge the size and location of the Brooklyn Bridge seems like an inherently public use-value, especially for those who live and work in Manhattan and nearby Brooklyn. Big chunks of the total wealth would best be public, not private property. What proportion of the total wealth in the

Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread Charles Brown
by Kenneth Campbell CB: Another infamous case of this was the exploding Pinto of Ford. Thanks, CB. That was the 70s. May not apply to the original post I made, in the time frame... but same principle. Regardless... The notion that lives have worth based upon economic evaluation is hated

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Charles wrote: You are probably aware that many juries ( composed largely on North American workers) have given such high awards often that the rightwing has been carrying out tort reform for a while, whereby caps are put on the amounts. It was my understanding that many of these awards are

Ed McMahon's $7.2m dog

2004-08-10 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Charles' response (Economics and Law thread) about the politics behind tort law -- especially law involving people against corporations -- reminded me of a WSJ editorial last fall. Read the opening item, below, and check out the commentary, below it, if you care about this kind of creation of

Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Doug Henwood
Kenneth Campbell wrote: The lesson here is to remain militant in the streets, not to back a bourgeois politician. Ironically, this is, itself, a flawed analogy. Militant in the streets is lingo from an era of ascendant working class interests -- in particular, radical lingo from the 60s-70s.

Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Doug wrote: Louis: The lesson here is to remain militant in the streets, not to back a bourgeois politician. Me: Ironically, this is, itself, a flawed analogy. Militant in the streets is lingo from an era of ascendant working class interests -- in particular, radical lingo from the 60s-70s.

Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Doug Henwood
Kenneth Campbell wrote: Wel... I do not think it is an either/or thing... I think I said the same thing as you, quoted above, in the last paragraph of that post of mine that you quote... Sorry, I wasn't responding to you really, but to the person you quoted. Doug

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread ken hanly
Actually I dont think that the Pinto Case was one of a straightforward cost-benefit analysis and didnt even include matters such as the cost of lawsuits per se except perhaps indirectly since it included the cost of human lives and of injuries. The human life values were themselves based upon

Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 12:18 PM -0400 8/10/04, Doug Henwood wrote: Why isn't it better to have a bourgeois politician in office who owes a few favors to people like us rather than someone who hates us with a passion? Expecting the Democratic Party elite to think that they owe working-class Democrats a few favors is

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread ken hanly
I meant to incude this passage in the last message. Actually even less costly improvements such as a bladder or a baffle in the gas tank would have prevented most of the deaths and injuries. But even the original calculation was not accurate as shown below. THere is nothing about legal costs

Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Marvin Gandall
Yoshie wrote: I've seen folks here and elsewhere contemptuously dismiss an independent electoral challenge to the Democratic Party from the left (Nader/Camejo and Greens who support them), an attempt to make voices for peace heard inside the Democratic Party (Kucinich and those who supported

Cobb or Nader?

2004-08-10 Thread Louis Proyect
Counterpunch, August 10, 2004 Crossroads for the California Green Party Will It Be Nader or Cobb? By TODD CHRETIEN In the next couple days, the California Green Party will decide whether or not to hold a state-wide convention to consider putting Nader/Camejo on the ballot. What will the party do?

Fidel Castro horrified by China

2004-08-10 Thread Louis Proyect
Castro Turns 78 Rolling Back Capitalism in Cuba Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:16 AM ET By Anthony Boadle HAVANA (Reuters) - Cuban President Fidel Castro turns 78 on Friday striving to roll back creeping capitalism in the socialist society he built from a guerrilla revolution in 1959. The world's

Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 12:52 PM -0400 8/10/04, Marvin Gandall wrote: But to imagine you can create strikes, demonstrations, and other forms of mass activity in the streets through the sheer power of ideas, where the conditions for those ideas to take root are largely absent, strikes me as -- well, idealism. You are

Re: Corporate Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Yoshie wrote: My posting was in response to the remark that militant demonstrations in the streets are tactics of another era and that protests that are more theatrical than militant are merely marginal. Shame on the person who wrote that horrible thing you respond to... Ken. -- Fascism should

Re: Looming natural gas shortages

2004-08-10 Thread Shane Mage
Louis Proyect writes: Darley touches briefly on alternative sources of energy, such as hydrogen, solar and wind, but discounts them as full-scale replacements for oil and gas because their implementation is too expensive. Nonsense. Darley seems not to realize that hydrogen, which must be

Re: Continuing China fever

2004-08-10 Thread Seth Sandronsky
Peter Olney of the Institute for Labor and Employment in CA has written on the need for organized labor in the U.S. to hone its domestic sights on what the FT reporter termed the “global hub-and-spoke network (which) is designed to link hundreds of towns and cities with an overnight communications

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread ken hanly
I meant I do think that it is a straightforward case of cb analysis...sorry.. By the way a Pinto built in Canada and tested by the govt in Arizona passed a crash test. Seems that the later models were built a bit differently in Canada with a baffle that cost about a buck that made a lot of

Re: Whither the Fed?

2004-08-10 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Jim wrote: I would guess that the Fed -- led by Dubya's close friend Alan, who visits the White House more than weekly -- is going to surprise the financial markets by standing pat on August 10th. (I'll be out of the country, so I won't be able to stop them.) The Fed raised the rate today. How

Re: Greens For Nader Update: Rigged Convention Divides Green Party (Sign and Forward This)

2004-08-10 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 1:07 PM -0400 8/9/04, Michael Hoover wrote: nader people might be of greater help to polity in general (of course, this is electoral campaign which, by definition, has narrow focus) by highlighting unequal/unjust ballot access procedures, state by state rules are clear violation of 14th

Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread Charles Brown
by Kenneth Campbell Charles wrote: You are probably aware that many juries ( composed largely on North American workers) have given such high awards often that the rightwing has been carrying out tort reform for a while, whereby caps are put on the amounts. It was my understanding that many of

Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread Charles Brown
by ken hanly Actually I dont think that the Pinto Case was one of a straightforward cost-benefit analysis and didn't even include matters such as the cost of lawsuits per se except perhaps indirectly since it included the cost of human lives and of injuries. The human life values were themselves

Fidel Castro horrified by China

2004-08-10 Thread Charles Brown
by Louis Proyect -clip- He is the sort of man who does not want to see his legacy diluted in his lifetime, the diplomat said, adding that Castro was probably unaware of the extent of social decay in Cuba. ^^ CB: Social decay in Cuba or China ?

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread David B. Shemano
Regarding the Pinto, cost/benefit analysis, etc., what exactly is the issue? I mean, we know with certainty that a certain number of people are going to die each year from auto accidents. We also know that if we reduced the speed limit to 5 m.p.h. required all passengers to wear helmets,

Re: Fidel Castro horrified by China

2004-08-10 Thread Louis Proyect
My guess is that this is a reference to prostitution in Cuba. Charles Brown wrote: by Louis Proyect -clip- He is the sort of man who does not want to see his legacy diluted in his lifetime, the diplomat said, adding that Castro was probably unaware of the extent of social decay in Cuba. ^^ CB:

Re: Whither the Fed?

2004-08-10 Thread Doug Henwood
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: The Fed raised the rate today. How committed are they to this course of action in the next 12-18 months? All depends on the data that comes out over the next 12-18 months. They don't have any preconceived strategy; it's strictly a seat of the pants operation. Doug

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread Perelman, Michael
David, the problem with the Pinto is that the government does not adequately regulate safety -- not even to the extent of making relevant information available -- so the regulation is left to the lawsuits -- a very inefficient way of doing things. A few bucks for a protective gasket would not

Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread Charles Brown
I think the thing with the Pinto is that Ford concluded that it would cost them less to pay for wrongful death suits than to put something in the Pintos that would stop them from exploding in rear end collisions. I suppose this is the issue in dispute, but the greater cost of the part to prevent

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread Shane Mage
CHARLES BROWN WROTE: ...Myself, I think the benefit of reducing the speed limit substantially ( maybe not to 5 miles per hour), and more safety features of the type you mention would be worth it in the lives and injuries saved... The French have reduced highway deaths by more than 25% over the

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread andie nachgeborenen
" David, the problem with the Pinto is that the government does notadequately regulate safety -- not even to the extent of making relevantinformation available -- so the regulation is left to the lawsuits -- avery inefficient way of doing things. Doesn't Richard Epstein (the Chicago LE extremist

Re: Fidel Castro horrified by China

2004-08-10 Thread Waistline2
HORRIFIED BY CHINA Western observers said Castro was shocked by the rapid move to capitalism and growing social differences he witnessed in China last year. "There is no coincidence that a lot of this has happened since he visited China. Many people say he was horrified with what he saw,"

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread Daniel Davies
my understanding of the whole thing is that the popular revulsion to Ford in the Pinto case was basically Kantian; they didn't consider the people's deaths as a "cost" in themselves, but only in as much as some proportion of the deaths would probably give rise to lawsuits which would affect

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread Waistline2
David, the problem with the Pinto is that the government does not adequately regulate safety -- not even to the extent of making relevant information available -- so the regulation is left to the lawsuits -- a very inefficient way of doing things. A few bucks for a protective gasket would not

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread David B. Shemano
Michael Perelman writes: David, the problem with the Pinto is that the government does not adequately regulate safety -- not even to the extent of making relevant information available -- so the regulation is left to the lawsuits -- a very inefficient way of doing things. A few bucks for a

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread David B. Shemano
Charles Brown writes: Myself, I think the benefit of reducing the speed limit substantially ( maybe not to 5 miles per hour), and more safety features of the type you mention would be worth it in the lives and injuries saved, and the cost would not be astronomical given what would be saved.

ABK Comrades!

2004-08-10 Thread Michael Hoover
maybe post header should have read: anybody but kerry and cobb, in any event, no need to limit oneself to left petit-bourgeois deviationism of nader, choose between several real-live socialists (commies even), and yes folks, personal choice party vp candidate is *behind green door* marilyn

nader goes southwest

2004-08-10 Thread Dan Scanlan
Title: nader goes southwest Nader Presidential Campaign Announces Southwest Airlines as its Unofficial Campaign Airline Based on several years of experience with an upstart airline from Texas, the Nader Presidential campaign announces Southwest Airlines as its unofficial campaign airline.

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Charles wrote: I think you are right that the problem wouldn't just go away with socialism. There might , in general, in socialism be more focus on some safety issues when the decision would not depend upon how the safer engineering impacted an individual corporation's bottomline. I can see a

The Libertarian Party

2004-08-10 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
[lbo-talk] Re: lbo-talk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 Tommy Kelly tkelly15450 at charter.net, Tue Aug 10 17:28:55 PDT 2004 snip What happens to the 2004 numbers if you add Libertarian Party's candidate Michael Badnarik? blockquoteDemocratic strategists have long fretted that Ralph Nader could draw votes

Re: ABK Comrades!

2004-08-10 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 9:20 PM -0400 8/10/04, Michael Hoover wrote: maybe post header should have read: anybody but kerry and cobb, in any event, no need to limit oneself to left petit-bourgeois deviationism of nader, choose between several real-live socialists (commies even) Only Nader/Camejo represented a potential

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread Kenneth Campbell
David writes: I don't have a strong opinion on whether regulation should be done by legislation or litigation -- it seems like a peripheral issue. I think that is a HUGE issue, not peripheral. But that's for another thread and another day. [...] safety is not an absolute value that takes

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread David B. Shemano
Kenneth Campbell writes: [...] safety is not an absolute value that takes precedence overy everything else. That is evidenced by how people actually live their lives, and that fact must be taken into consideration when determining appropriate rules. This is the heart of it. To use your

*Life After Capitalism Conference 2004 NYC August 20-22nd*

2004-08-10 Thread Ruth Indeck
To URPE Members and Friends * *Life After Capitalism Conference 2004 NYC August 20-22nd* www.lifeaftercapitalism.org -- register now !-- The protests around the Republican National Convention taking place in New York City later this summer are shaping up to be

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread Kenneth Campbell
David wrote: Conceptually, you are right back where you are today, where the poor can buy a used Pinto. David Shemano My parents were not poor... they were working class... they did work to make ends meet. Your mobile poverty metre is a tad chintzy. To assume that they might have to buy a car

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread David B. Shemano
Kenneth Campbell rides to the rescue of Charles Brown: Why do you assume such facts for a socialist society? Note that Charles uses his language with purpose. There do not seem to be a lot of wasted words. There is the statement and for a long time in that last sentence -- and it means

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread Kenneth Campbell
David wrote: Any economy in a country whose name had or has the words People's, Socialist or Sweden in it. I like Sweden. You gotta problem with that, punk? Ken. -- I like Sweden. You gotta problem with that, punk? -- Me in this thread

Re: Greens For Nader Update: Rigged Convention Divides Green Party (Sign and Forward This)

2004-08-10 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/10/04 3:16 PM At 1:07 PM -0400 8/9/04, Michael Hoover wrote: nader people might be of greater help to polity in general (of course, this is electoral campaign which, by definition, has narrow focus) by highlighting unequal/unjust ballot access procedures, state by state

Re: nader goes southwest

2004-08-10 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/10/04 10:01 PM Nader Presidential Campaign Announces Southwest Airlines as its Unofficial Campaign Airline Nader had a good word for Southwest Airlines founder, Herb Kelleher. wonder what nader thinks of kelleher's $47,500 to rep national committee this year and $2000 to