Perelman writes:
I only mentioned this article to register a bit of doubt about Shaikh's
interpretation.
Which interpretation of Shaikh's or which of Shaikh's writings does
Perelman have in mind ?
Regards
Jurriaan.
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:28:32+0100
From: jurriaan bendien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Big Brother: Bill 160 (fwd)
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In response to Valis:
Yeah I know what you are talking about. In New
In response to Valis:
Yeah I know what you are talking about. In New Zealand Muldoon set up the
Security Intelligence Service in the late 1970s and they used to spy on
campus, registering political science students among other things. The
biggest laugh was when an SIS agent was spotted with a
Try Engels to Conrad Schmidt, 5 Aug 1890. Or try
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/05/parti-ouvrier.htm
The quote is discussed in detail in Hal Draper's marxological work, Karl
Marx's Theory of Revolution (section: I am not a Marxist, said he) but I
haven't got the books here so
This interview with Harvard Professor David Landes appeared in the Dutch
magazine Internationale Samenwerking [International Cooperation] (April
2002, pp. 30-33), a free publication of the Dutch Ministry of Foreign
Affairs. The interviewer was Bart Top.
Q: You explain poverty by geographic
I posted the interview with David Landes because to me it succinctly
summarises a modern liberal attitude, showing both its strengths (for
instance, rejection of the hullabaloo about globalisation and obsession
with victim culture) and weaknesses (its misplaced faith in market
economy as
Even if the popular front struggle against fascism had certain merits
(because of course broad opposition to the fascists had to be forged), the
point is that is was a belated attempt to correct a mistaken policy (the
ultra-left third period line) over the preceding 7 years or so. Popular
Louis wrote:
The main reason revolutions do not break out everywhere is the absence of
leadership. The crisis of the 21st century, just as was the case in
the 20th century, can be reduced to a crisis of leadership. In the
workers camp, this involves creating clear lines of demarcation
between
Writing an email promotes the mental and physical health of the writer.
That is the conclusion reached by psychologists at the Texas AM University
in College Station. This applies only to emails in which the writer
expresses his feelings, or describes personal experiences. The researchers
I don't see that there is anything wrong with a class against class
policy... if the specific situation called for it, and if you have a
realistic chance of realising it and winning it. But that is the point, no
strategy or tactic can be arrived at or evaluated independently from a
specific
The reason why LO and LCR and OCI don't unite is because they have
substantially different political positions on public issues, and because
they have very different organisational cultures. There's nothing wrong
with that provided they don't get into each other's way and can work
together
Well I don't want to go into this issue much further, particularly since I
don't regard myself as a Marxist (I am a socialist appreciative of Marx)
and because I have few ties with Trotskyists these days anyway.
But just briefly, my objection to Louis's assertion that the crisis of our
time
I think Michael is correct. You have to plug into what's already there,
already emerging, and take it a step further. That requires insight into
where people are really at these days, but it also means moving on from the
how awful capitalist civilisation is mode, to positive alternatives, to
Bill,
You could check out a Phd Thesis completed at Canterbury University by G.
R. Pearce with help from myself. It's called Where is New Zealand Going ?
(1986), available from UCL, and includes a data set for basic Marxian
variables (s/v, c/v, s/c+v and various derivatives) applying to NZ
Bill,
Do you have available the current percentage of unionised workers in the
total number of wage and salary earners in New Zealand ? In 1985 it stood
at about 44 percent and in 1995 it was about 23 percent. I just want to
know if this decline has continued (at least in some countries the
What is left out from Louis's comments is that as a matter of fact many
left-wing voters WILL vote for Chirac simply to keep Le Pen out (after all,
the presidency is a very powerful position in the French state), without
having any illusions about the nature of rightwing politics or about
Pim Fortuyn is not a fascist, and has publicly dissociated himself from Le
Pen. He is best seen as a maverick, eclectic small bourgeois, who tries to
shake up the political establishment from its complacency by raking up the
sore spots in Dutch society. There's the immigration issue, the
Pim Fortuyn does actually argue that Holland is full, and he wants to
seal the borders against immigrants and asylum seekers as much as possible,
as well as impose strict policies to ensure foreigners integrate
correctly in Dutch society. But this is actually much more difficult to
implement
The mail bounced so I will post it to PEN-L. It must have been the old
Dutch Communist Party, which no longer exists, quite some years ago. It was
mentioned in the press one time. I do not recall the details, and I do not
know what reaction he got in the CP press. The Dutch CP or what was left
Carrol,
I would imagine that the leaders of the Dutch SP would say that they had
genuinely put into practice the relevant content of Mao's message. But the
point is, if you go talking about Maoist Marxist-Leninism to the general
public here, most would think you are nuts. This is not Nepal,
Pim Fortuyn was shot dead by a guy in a baseball cap around 6 pm tonight.
He had just been doing a radio interview in Hilversum. The official
confirmation of his death hasn't yet been given, but the news reporters
assume his is in fact dead. I have a lot of thoughts milling about in my
head,
I've translated official statements by the Dutch SAP, SP and IS on the
murder of Pim Fortuyn. Little is known yet about the suspected assassin
except that he was a 32-year old white Dutch environmental activist from
Harderwijk, in a relationship with a woman with a child, who refused to
make
Michael,
I still could not attempt to answer your question, because (1) it depends
on how you define the general rate of profit. For example, do you include
taxes in the mass of surplus-value, if so, which taxes. (2) It is not clear
what exactly you mean by endogenous/exogenous. Very few
Thanks, Ian. That is the kind of economic information that is pertinent to
read.
Michael,
I think you write extremely well. I read your
little book on the information age, and it got better as I read on. From you
work one can learn something new...; ; I wish more economics writers would write
like you !
Regards
Jurriaan
This may be a stupid question, but does anyone of the esteemed
economists on the list know where I would find a systematic and
rigorous analysis of information as a commodity ? I just read
Michael Perelman's book about class warfare in the information age,
which contains a lot of very valid
Well my question may be been naively stupid, but I nevertheless got
some very interesting responses. Thank you all very much. I did read
Michael's book on the information age, but he doesn't really go into
the implications for Marxian value theory explicitly, that is all. My
thought was that if
Louis,
While I am very sympathetic to your point of view in this regard, I
would say there is - going by past experience - no guarantee that
socialism would necessarily mean an end to war, unless you mean by
socialism an end to war, in which case we are dealing with a
tautology. Given the
Louis, I don't disagree with you in that Soviet-type economies were
much less bellicose. But let's not forget such things as the
Sino-Soviet conflict, the invasion of Cezechoslovakia and Hungary by
the Red Army, Vietnam-Cambodia, and the military support of the USSR
and PRC for various
Louis,
We agree that socialism is needed, that as socialists we need to
oppose war and militarism, and about the rapacious nature of modern
imperialism. I am not trying to be a sunday talkshow host, I am merely
querying your conception of who the goodies and the baddies are in the
wild world
The crisis might of course also be so destabilising that it opens other
doors, such as the door for barbarism - seems to me that's been happening
for some time in various parts of the world.
I think it's wrong to see the crisis of capitalism only in economic terms,
after all, it is
I used to design survey questionnaires for a job once. You should start off
by inquiring into the survey methodology. Anybody can manufacture a certain
public opinion. Let's not get trapped in categories which may not reveal
what people really think. Threats for whom ? For the respondent ?
Doug wrote:
No kidding. Which is why Gallup reported the wording of the question,
and which is why I also did. It's: In your opinion which of the
following will be the biggest threat to the country in the future --
big business, big labor, or big government? The question has been
asked the same
Well Lenin said all sorts of things depending on the situation and the time
- the quotes are entertaining haha but otherwise pretty meaningless.
J.
I am well aware of the development of Lenin's critique of non-revolutionary
Marxism, which emerged from 1894 in the context of Russia and Poland -
i.e. in countries where incipient industrialisation, a small but
concentrated and militant urban working class and unresolved land questions
Michael wrote:
In closing, the term reform leaves a nasty aftertaste now that it has
been co-opted to mean making everything market-friendly.
...in which case we might do well to think of some new terminology or
concepts to express our point of view.
J.
Seems to me the main thing getting in the way of Keynesian pump-priming is
the existence of multinational corporations and international financial
markets (international capital mobility).
J.
Is there such a thing as an original idea ? I think yes, but original ideas
are difficult to find. Normally it requires thorough knowledge of the
relevant tradition or genre in order to recognise an original idea as such
or be able to moot it, and in some fields of human endeavour it would
Hari Kumar wrote:
Personally, I think a spade should be called a spade - finding a new term
for
it is redolent of a white-wash! Quoth he: A Rose by any other name...
Point I tried to make is that when Lenin talked about reformism, he was
referring to large social democratic parties
Doug wrote:
The U.S., Japan, and the EU are all relatively closed economies, with
imports only around 10% of GDP. The leakage argument is overdone.
Probably you are right about that, I am biased probably because I lived in
economies heavily dependent on foreign trade and sensitive to foreign
As a digression into Lenin quotology, I was just leafing through an old
copy of Medvedev's book on The October Revolution, and at the end he quotes
an interesting bit from Lenin's article on the fourth anniversary of Soviet
power, where Lenin freely admits he is engaging in reformism and that
If, as Justin argues, Most judges, at least federal ones that I know of,
enforce the law fairly (i.e. evenhandedly), how come e.g. a
disproportionate number of US blacks end up in jail ? Of course, you can
make sociological arguments that more blacks commit crimes or more blacks
are poor,
That would imply one in 15 priests is a bad priest. I'll bear it in mind,
just in case.
Justin doesn't pollute my mind at all, in fact he has enlightening things
to say from which I, being ignorant about the USA, benefit. Every vanguard
party should have at least one Justin in it. Justin is in the vanguard
-regardless of whether you agree with him -, because he has been through
(The following article I translated from Internationale Samenwerking (May
2002, p.31-33), a monthly published free by the Dutch Ministry of Foreign
Affairs. For the benefit of my anti-Dutch Marxmail critics I should perhaps
point out that I mail this because I think it's interesting.
Louis wrote:
We have the same requirement today that existed in Russia in 1902 and
in the USA in the 70s and 80s, namely to unite scattered Marxist
circles and individuals.
If that is the case, I wonder why he isn't a member of the Fourth
International, Solidarity and dozens of other groups
Michael, what do you mean when saying Marx began Capital with a stageist
flourish - are you referring to the 1859 Preface ? I think Stedman Jones
must be correct in stressing the importance of campaigning for reforms, but
he is surely wrong in saying that the only alternative is reformism. It
Michael is quite right. I just don't see any real evidence of Marx arguing
for stage-ism, in the sense of a necessary sequence of stages of
development. He just says that the more developed capitalist country shows
the less developed capitalist country an image of its own future. That is a
Saying that the FI is Stalinophobic is too much of a generalisation.
They've been known to try and recruit, coalesce or fuse with Stalinist-type
currents at times. It's not a good reason for refusing to join them. The
only good reason Louis can have, seen as his stated aim is to unite
The new book of the British star author Martin Amis, Koba the Dread, will
be published in a month's time in England, but has already sparked off
controversy among Russian historians and human rights activists. In the
work which has the provocative subtitle Laughter and the twenty-million,
The most important intellectual I met in that time was Michel Foucault. We
got to know each other in the year that Reagan was elected president, when
we were both guests at New York University. At the university there was a
party to which we were invited. Foucault was hardly treated with
Louis said:
I take my cue from the Cuban revolution. I want to put the Russian
questions behind us. Unfortunately, the FI remains centered on exactly
that.
I don't think you are right about that, the FI doesn't remain centered on
the Russian questions, certainly not the Mandelistas here in
The US Government demands that The Netherlands takes measures against the
Communist Party of the Philippines. The USA would make a formal request
this afternoon. The founder of the party lives in Utrecht. The CPP is
classified by Washington as a terrorist organisation.
The Phillippines
This is an evil man who, left to his own devices, will wreak havoc again on
his own population, his neighbors and, if he gets weapons of mass
destruction and the means to deliver them, on all of us, Rice told the BBC.
There is a very powerful moral case for regime change. We certainly do not
have
Well since Scott already posted, I don't need to say more about it at this
stage... except sorry for my recent typo's and translation glitches, it was
just a bit hurried. I actually met Sison once in New Zealand and it's clear
to me he isn't a terrorist, he's got morals. The story brings out
I think you should distinguish between Foucault and his writings on the one
hand, and the reception/interpretation of his writings in various
intellectual milieus on the other. I would think Foucault was to the left
of Althusser, politically, all along. Blaming post-modernist subjectivism
on
I think you should distinguish between Foucault and his writings on the one
hand, and the reception/interpretation of his writings in various
intellectual milieus on the other. I would think Foucault was to the left
of Althusser, politically, all along. Blaming post-modernist subjectivism
on
The Paradox of American Power
Why the World's Only Superpower Can't Go It Alone
JOSEPH S. NYE, Jr.
What role should America play in the world? What key challenges face
us in the century to come, and how should we define our national
interests? These questions have been given electrifying new
Hi Chris,
Have you considered that it might in fact be very difficult for the
directors of large companies to tell the truth, in view of the multifaceted
nature of the reality they are responsible for, and the social
contradictions of an economy based on private enterprise ? As regards the
Mah fellow Americans,
Tonight I wood like the opportoonity to talk to you about an isshoe that is
of great concern to the American pipple, and I am not talking about Enron
ever again, I promiss. The isshoe I wood like to address, er, talk about
tonight, concerns, concerns, eh, plagiarism.
My
Hi Chris,
Good points, but I am feeling a bit gruff just now, excuse the language.
But in technical terms there is a
substantial problem about selecting information and communicating.
Correct. In the Leninist party of the type Ernest Mandel envisaged once, the
party itself would be like an
Utrecht, 1 July 1993
After a continuously declining workload, workers are increasingly more
satisfied about development, promotion and remuneration opportunities. This
is shown by a survey of the Central Bureau of Statistics among employed
people about their judgement of working conditions.
In
Oops, I forgot to acknowledge my source for the CBS story I posted. I got it
from the Dutch Tiscali website and translated it, but now I cannot find it
back again.
J.
Hi Chris,
I do not necessarily hold that against you!
It is just that the song refers to the word divine and some of our more
astute readers might draw a link to Jim Devine.
But I prefer not to try to think of any correspondent as my friend,
because
you can't agree with somebody about
Well there's a few slips in what I wrote. I do not exactly know how many
people Fletcher Challenge employ in New Zealand nowadays, I would need to
look it up, but it would be at least 5 percent or so. They are a very large
multinational by now, like, they would own forests in Canada and Chile etc.
I referred to non-profit local government work, that is obviously a wrong
formulation, since many local government functions are privatised,
semi-privatised or contracted out to private enterprise. It is just that
where I worked, it was mainly non-profit.
Local government agencies often have low
I have just starting reading Hilary's autobiography. Here's a snippet:
Back in 1959, I wanted to become a teacher or a nuclear PHYSICIST. Teachers
were necessary to TRAIN young citizensand without them you wouldn't have
much of a country. America needed SCIENTISTS because the RUSSIANS have
about
Actually, my sister didn't work for a Fletcher Challenge company in
Christchurch, but rather for a Brierley Investments company, a bookstore
called Whitcoulls, originally Whitcombe Tombs.
Brierley was an authorative expert in the rationalisation of capital in New
Zealand. His method of primitive
Religious justification for political action in terms of God's will is, in
my opinion, the last resort of a scoundrel, who is unable to honestly
specify any reasonable relationship between political means and ends, as an
inspiration for his own actions in the political field, or acknowledge a
Sociologically, the proletarian credentials of Trotsky and Stalin were
zero, except that you can say than in some respects, their lifestyle was
proletarian for a while. But I would not exaggerate that either. To
appreciate this more fully, investigate how they actually lived, and this is
mostly on
The Howard Dean phenomenon in the USA just mirrors the Pim Fortuyn saga in
the Netherlands. The official bourgeois parties no longer do anything much
to improve the lot of the people, their themes no longer appeal, and they
are too rich and intellectually too lazy to worry about it. On the other
Well, this shows you the problem-fraught nature of genuine internationalism,
I start making comparisons which don't really hold up. In which case, I
shouldn't really be commenting on American politics and economics.
Of course I am vitally interested in America, it has an enormous influence
on the
"This was
sent to the wrong place. Sorry. By proletarian logic what is meant is that was a
person writes."
That is a
fairly intelligent comment, I would say.
"I have in
mind books like Marxism and the National Colonial Question edited by Lenin as
well as the dozen or so books and
Me too :) Note however that slavery existed in parts of Africa before the
Western slave trade really got going.
Before addressing the economic articulations of slavery and the parameters
of slave exploitation, it is worth first emphasizing that the role of the
slave has always been defined in
According to former actor and US president Ronald Reagan, the superior
productivity of American farming, compared to Soviet farming, was a decisive
argument for the superiority of capitalism as a social and economic system.
Yeah.
J.
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From: Michael Pollak [EMAIL
considering its unfavorable resource base. Its distribution system
was not up to par. For many crops, Soviet yields were superior to those
of the US, but not their output/hour.
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 09:00:32AM +0200, Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
According to former actor and US president Ronald
The Dutch Financial Daily (10 July, p. 2) interviewed Clyde Prestowitz,
author of Rogue Nation - American unilateralism and the failure of Good
Intentions (Basic Books, 2003). Chief of a rightwing thinktank and
born-again Christian, Prestowitz has got himself something of a reputation
as an expert
As far as I know, reinterpretations of Hobson and JS Mill (in other words,
any theory about imperialism which is not Marxist, i.e. which does not say
that imperialism is a bad thing) were already occurring in the 1990s, they
are just becoming more prominent now, as I predicted in the 1990s (i.e.
]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Clyde Prestowitz on the meaning of neoconservatism
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
So Lenin was actually making a specific
political intervention in an ongoing discussion, basing himself on ideas
current in his time
Critics argue that options can encourage entrepreneurs, but in many cases
during the dot.com boom, they spurred executives to bend the rules in
order to keep share prices flying. Because restricted shares have a higher
inherent value, companies give far less to employees than they would
options -
As an example, he said, researchers making revisions to price indexes may
have been pushed to understate inflation, as such a change would result in
smaller liabilities in the Social Security system when the baby-boom
generation retires. In reality, those kinds of things do play some role.
I
http://www.investorwords.com/cgi-bin/getword.cgi?1604
Here come old flattop he come grooving up slowly
He got joo-joo eyeball he one holy roller
He got hair down to his knee
Got to be a joker he just do what he please
He wear no shoeshine he got toe-jam football
He got monkey finger he shoot
Thank y'all for finally agreeing with me. Of course it is not simply a
matter of hope, it is also a matter of will. Some factors promote a clearly
and purposively focused will, other factors erode that will. If, for example
a person does not feel loved or accepted, or if he feels his honour and
Chris:
Marxdoes not say that profit and wages are a true zero sum game, this is
an inadequate description. This zero-sum game is only a special case, namely the
case in which the value product is constant or declining. If the value product
is increasing, then both wages and profits can
Hi there Jurriaan --
I don't know much about you, personally, having only recently rejoined
Michael's list after an absence of some 6-7 years or so...
But I wanted to express my appreciation for your posts. Obviously, that
means I agree with you on most of what you write. :)
Aside from
Parliament goes wireless for bloggers' summit
Matthew Tempest, political correspondent
Monday July 14, 2003
Westminster is to hold a world-first tonight, when around 120 bloggers
descend on parliament for a discussion on how politicians can best use the
blogosphere to further policy and public
The Marxian value product is an alternative measure
to the conventional "value added" (net output). The value product comprises
total variable capital (roughly, salary and wage income of productive
labourincluding social wage levies, but net of income tax)plus total
surplus value (roughly,
France - A wave of working class mobilisation
The period between mid-March and 19 June saw the largest wave of industrial
protests in France since the Winter of 1995, when a railway strike developed
into a
Thanks Louis for the ref !
J.
ill lead the way?
Song: Its a Scandal! Its An Outrage!
Band: Rodgers And Hammerstein
Album: Oklahoma! Broadway Musical
[Peddler]
Oh!
Trapped!...
Tricked! ...
Hoodwinked! ...
Ambushed! ...
[Men]
Friend,
Whut's on yer mind?
Why do you walk
Around and around,
With yer hands
Folded behind,
And yer
In Holland it is sometimes trendy in management circles to hire professional
philosophers as consultants - philosophy provides freedom for critical
thought, hence a philosopher might identify or reframe problems in a way
which a more narrow-minded business approach might fail to do, through a
Hope you are OK ? Anything I can do, just ask.
J.
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From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Back to slavery
My writing is totally incoherent. Here's what I meant to say:
Contrary to
.
Regards
Jurriaan
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From: Eubulides [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Back to slavery
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From: Jurriaan Bendien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In Holland it is sometimes trendy in management
Two web sites launched in Granma
. One on MartÃ's ideas and the Moncada action and the other for the 14th Pan
American Games.
Can be found at:
http://www.granma.cubaweb.cu/marti-moncada
http://www.granma.cubaweb.cu/eventos/14panam
BY RAISA PAGES-Granma daily-
TWO new web sites, one dedicated to
As far as I know, you are incorrect. Luxemburg coined the slogan, the idea
was expressed first by Engels.
J.
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From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] John Nichols on James Weinstein on
In 1848 Karl Marx and Frederick Engels argued in the Communist Manifesto
that the historic fight between the oppressor and oppressed ended 'either in
a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of
the contending classes'. Engels said that 'bourgeois society stands at
I thought that a recession was a reduction in real GDP growth and a
depression or slump negative real growth.
As far as I know, real GDP growth without employment growth is not new, this
happened as well in some years in the 1980s or 1990s.
Personally, I consider the discussion petty useless
Does anybody have any data on the trend in real net new investment in the US
economy in recent years ? I am referring here to net additions to fixed
assets, adjusted for inflation, in total and for the major economic sectors
(manufacturing, agriculture, services etc.), this is sometimes referred
Is that like a mid-life crisis ? :)
J.
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From: Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] It's over !
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
I thought that a recession was a reduction in real GDP growth
Thanks a lot Max, that is helpful ! I am just not so familiar with US
sources. To be honest, I am impressed by the quality of presentation of NIPA
data sets you refer me to. When I was a Phd student in New Zealand in the
1980s, I had to go on my bicycle to the Stats Dept to get a print-out of the
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