Justin wrote:
> Nonetheless there are certain obvious differences
> between 1917 and now, like the existence of mass
> working class radical movements of the left and the
> far left, and a history of revolutionary struggle that
> shook the government within living memory, and
> socialist parties t
I did vote for him in 2000 (in Calif.); his silence since the last
election has been deafening. I will not vote for him again. If I'm
going to "throw away a vote" I'd rather give it to Camejo or a
socialist candidate.
Joanna
To vote for Kerry in California is to "throw away a vote." Camejo,
if he
At 10:20 PM -0500 3/16/04, Michael Hoover wrote:
my mother is my political barometer and she and her husband are in
anybody but bush camp, she's worried (incorrectly imo) that nader
will help put bush back in white house, folks like her who think
that are much more important than all nation magazin
Nuke Nation: Putting Profits Before Safety
by Heather Wokusch
President Bush has always been a good friend to the nuclear industry, but
his recent overtures should sound alarm bells.
The White House has begun pushing to replace governmental safety standards
at federal nuclear facilities with requir
Speaking of which:
http://faculty-web.at.northwestern.edu/economics/gordon/Productivity-Brookin
gs.pdf
-Original Message-
From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Devine,
James
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 5:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: the future of social secu
Your are aiming this at the wrong guy. I do not
despair because the workers do not respond to the call
of a Leninist Party the way you suggest I think they
should. I am in any case opposed to the Bolshevik
model. As I have said here many times, I am a
lowercase liberal democrat.
I mentioned the d
I sympathize with you Justin. I returned to live in
the US from abroad and I think that might have
something to do with your pessimism (especially if you
frequent certain circles for work etc)
Still, there are plenty of improvements even in the US
over the last 40 years & here is an excerpt from
C
From: Marvin Gandall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I think the relevance of the classical Marxists, for myself at least, lies
in their analytical power, which is immense, rather than their predictive
power, which turned out to be negligible.
^^^
CB: Why do you say the predictive power of the classi
--- dave dorkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I sympathize with you Justin. I returned to live in
> the US from abroad and I think that might have
> something to do with your pessimism (especially if
> you
> frequent certain circles for work etc)
>
> Still, there are plenty of improvements even in t
Here's the article that I promised to post on the World Social Forum.
It appeared on ZNET's
activism list. Warning: it's long, but, I think, worthwhile.
Peter Hollings
SOME REFLECTIONS ON THE GLOBAL JUSTICE MOVEMENT
(And an eye-witness account of the World Social Forum)
Yo comrades
Hi everyon
This article is very long for the list. It is better to post a small
part and a URL if possible.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
who first referred to "socialism for the rich and free enterprise for
the poor" and what is the actual quote?
who (a US Senator?) said that "it used to be that we taxed the rich; now
we give them tax breaks and borrow money from them" and what is the
actual quote?
Jim Dev
Village Voice, March 17 - 23, 2004
Union Wins Election Fair And Square, But Prez Kerrey Wants A Do-Over
New School's Labor War
by Tom Robbins
New School Universityfounded by left-leaning intellectuals more than 80
years agois taking a page from anti-labor corporations in fighting an
ongoing uni
If history is any guide, the Greens (and others) will not be able to
change the American electoral system, and the Green Party (or any
other Third Party on the left) will not be able to replace the
Democratic Party, by agitating for Instant Runoff Voting and
proportional representation in abstracti
from TODAY'S PAPERS, a column in Microsoft's SLATE e-magazine:
>The [Washington] Post's Reliable Source column reports on a fundraiser
for and
at Ford's Theatre. Bush was there and made a small verbal gaffe,
calling the theater, where Lincoln was killed, the Lincoln
Theatre. But he was one-upped b
Disgusting. First they changed the name of my school for marketing
purposes and now they are completing the process of destruction of
radical tradition that the New School represented.
Louis Proyect wrote:
Village Voice, March 17 - 23, 2004
Union Wins Election Fair And Square, But Prez Kerrey Wan
Dave wrote:
I sympathize with you Justin. I returned to live in the US from
abroad and I think that might have something to do with your
pessimism (especially if you frequent certain circles for work etc)
Now that Justin is a rich lawyer, his career as a poor professor of
philosophy derailed by th
The US’s once overwhelming dominance in high technology is beginning to
wane, and outsourcing is only one of the symptoms, reports Business Week.
Although the US is still the overall leader and Microsoft, General Electric,
and Intel are household names, the Nordic countries are in the forefront of
I was far more able to travel abroad as an academic
than I am as lawyer. And I am talking about hopes for
my country. I am aware that people in Other Countries
are doing better than we are here. jks
--- Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>
> >I sympathize with you Justin. I
(Dutch Premier Balkende's visit to President Bush inspired me to write this
story).
In 1975, Dr Henry Kissinger, speaking about the CIA's policy towards Iraqi
Kurds, declared that "covert action should not be confused with missionary
work". Ahem. Amidst more horrific, gruesome carnage, Al Jazeera
A URL is also better because it provides some reference data and because it
eliminates pesky email reader formatting problems. I encourage everyone to
post a URL whenever possible, whether or not you also include full text of
an article.
Peter, if you have it could you please either post the URL
Justin/Andie writes:
>I am not saying everything is going to hell in a
handbasket, there is no improvement, we have made no
progress, it's just like 1900, that we are doomed, or
any such thing. There have been improvements. Some
have been considerable. I would not overstate matters;
the backlash ha
As I said: "my point was
> circumscribed. I am saying that the prospects for
> what
> people here are calling revolutionary socialism
> [RS], the
> replacement of capitalism by something better, are
> very dim . . . "
Since you ask, I don't see _immediate_ hope for reform
either. Do you?
jks
--
Baron Grimm once mocked the physiocrats by suggesting: They begin with
a good dinner, then they labor; they chop and dig and drain; they do not
leave an inch of ground in France. And when they have either labored
all day in a charming saloon, cool in summer, and well warmed in winter,
they part i
When I was an undergraduate at Bard College in the early 1960s, there was
about as much likelihood of a professor writing an op-ed piece in the NY
Times as there was of the school fielding a semifinalist entry in the NCAA
basketball tournament.
Along with all the other transformations that ring
I've never heard Nader speak, so I don't know if he's boring or not.
But what was all that I heard in 2000 about large groups of
college-age kids being excited by Nader?
inquiring minds want to know.
I was able to catch him in Middleburg VA at the founding of the
Associated State Green Parties in 1
I was able to catch him in Middleburg VA at the founding of the
Associated State Green Parties in 1996, and in Sacramento and Chico
CA in 2000. He's very compelling, funny and scholarly, in my opinion.
When he's finished, you get the sense it is only because time ran
out, not because he ran out of
I follow your point though in addition to Solidarity,
CCDS and other similar groups there are more
individuals than one might at times think who are
sympathetic to much of what I imagine most socialists
to desire. There will be ebbs and flows and a few
hundred years of capitalism isnt eternity, whe
Unfortunately, I cannot find the article (even using their search
engine) on the ZNet website. Perhaps, this is because it was only
recently posted to their activism email forum and is not yet on the
website. You might be interested in the website if you're not already
familiar with it: http://ww
> Now that Justin is a rich lawyer, his career as a poor professor of
> philosophy derailed by the politics of academia, he should take a
> break and travel abroad, which I think will reinvigorate his
> political spirits more than any PEN-pals can.
It's not for me to say what Justin ought to do, o
>Disgusting. First they changed the name of my school for marketing
>purposes and now they are completing the process of destruction of
>radical tradition that the New School represented.
It's bad if American scholars have forgotten what democracy is, or what a
university is, for sure. But can th
Title: Message
Subject: Locating Bin LadenWhen recently interviewed --
Pentagon officials believe they have been unable to locate Bin
Laden because he has found a place to hide out withthese
characteristics:
1) It is easy to get in if you have money;2) No one will recognize or
remember yo
JKS writes:
> As I said: "my point was
> > circumscribed. I am saying that the prospects for
> > what
> > people here are calling revolutionary socialism
> > [RS], the
> > replacement of capitalism by something better, are
> > very dim . . . "
>
> Since you ask, I don't see _immediate_ hope for
I didn't find Baruma's article worth reading all the way through, so I can't comment.
But I did find it interesting that this fellow started out by saying that "One year
later, most of the stated reasons for invading Iraq have been discredited." If
conservatives are saying that, it's a bad sign
>Of course, if we don't see more "street heat" in the future, these changes
will likely not last.
Personally, I had the 'flu the last few days, felt terrible. Didn't make it
out the door tonight, and ended up discussing Biblical politics in the
Middle East with my flatmate Youssef. He reckons thin
Jim Devine wrote:
Basically, he says that if people think we can impose "universal values"
with bayonets, they're wrong.
Buruma is skilled at speaking out of both sides of his mouth. Although
seeming to repudiate imposing governments from above, he also says, "There
seems to be little doubt that mo
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/108/1/28/
PA: What was your motivation for writing the book How to Take an Exam...and
Remake the World?
BO: I am very much the teacher, which means that Im always looking for new
ways to present my ideas in a clear and convincing manner. Also, a
Aaron Gray-Block reports on the Expatica site:
Pakistan has pardoned atomic guru Dr Abdul Khan for trading nuclear secrets,
but Khan's Dutch business partner is under investigation in the Netherlands.
(...) International intelligence services have accused Henk Slebos - the
Dutch academic friend an
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A64913-2004Mar16
Don't Expect Fed To Limit Banks' Bad Behavior
By Steven Pearlstein
Wednesday, March 17, 2004; Page E01
How many financial scandals does a banking company have to be involved
in before the Federal Reserve will finally con
Louis Proyect wrote: "I have a feeling that the same people who are urging a
vote for Kerry today will be urging the same policies in the future when
workers are occupying factories and calling for a general strike. You don't
switch brands from Menshevism to Bolshevism when the "time is ripe".
Mens
Yes, and how many financial scandals does the entire banking community
have to be involved in before we bring back Glass-Steagall?
Gutting regulations and shirking public responsibility for the resultant
fall-out should be regarded with the same type of thirst for penance and
punishment as say, ro
Marvin Gandall:
The "eczema" remark is unnecessary. It's also wrong. The Bolsheviks wouldn't
have acquired their majority in the Soviets and seized state power without
the wholesale defection to their side of the mass of Menshevik workers and
some important intellectuals. This wasn't unique to Russ
Louis Proyect wrote:
In a Nov. 9, 1912, article on the U.S. elections Lenin wrote, "This
so-called bipartisan system prevailing in America and Britain has been one
of the most powerful means of preventing the rise of an independent
working-class, i.e., genuinely socialist, party."
It is interesting
Could someone explain what Ralph Nader's candidacy has to do with the
development of a socialist party in the U.S.? I could swear he was a
petit bourgeois who believed in the beauties of small business and
competition.
Doug
so I was supposed to do some public speaking in early May ...and I get this letter:
Jim,
Well, the shadow of McCarthy still lingers. When your name and description
was given by our sub-commitee on the Issues Forum to the overall
coordinating commitee, they
I remember Gore Vidal saying on some talk show, "What we have in this
country is socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor." This was
bout 20 years ago.
Joanna
Devine, James wrote:
who first referred to "socialism for the rich and free enterprise for
the poor" and what is the actual quot
This would probably be the appropriate moment -- in light of your comments
and Joel Wendland's -- to ask Louis to elaborate on the following statement:
"...I am far more interested in defining the class criterion that would make
support for bourgeois parties impermissible..."
What are the "class c
Louis Proyect cites Marx:
"Where the working class is not yet far enough advanced in its organization
to undertake a decisive campaign against the collective power, i.e., the
political power, of the ruling classes, it must at any rate be trained for
this by continual agitation against this power a
Joel Wendland completely misunderstands what Lou and Lenin
were talking about. Lenin *counterposes* the differences
between Lloyd George and Churchill (differences within
the executive committee of British Imperialism) to the
differences between Lloyd George and Henderson--the
differences between
Doug Henwood asks:
Could someone explain what Ralph Nader's candidacy has to do with the
development of a socialist party in the U.S.? I could swear he was a
petit bourgeois who believed in the beauties of small business and
competition.
Very simple. The central class issue in US politics for my
Joel Wendland wrote:
Sounds like Lenin had an ABC (anybody but Churchill) policy in 1920 that
roughly parallels current ABB arguments. Now if we compare this to the words
you quoted him saying in 1912, can we conclude that like Doug Ireland, et al
who refuse to support Nader this time, Lenin abando
What are the "class criterion" you have in mind, Louis?
Marv G
I'd say that until Goldman-Sachs starts giving money to the Green Party,
the class criteria are pretty clear.
Louis Proyect
Marxism list: www.marxmail.org
Dear sir,
This afternoon IanBuruma was a guest on NPR's Talk Of The Nation. I wish
you had the opportunity to listen to him. He was there for a few minutes
and much of what he said went unchallenged. The funny thing is that he has
chosen such a deceiving and provocative title for his book, perhaps
Louis Proyect wrote:
In a Nov. 9, 1912, article on the U.S. elections Lenin wrote, "This
so-called bipartisan system prevailing in America and Britain has been one
of the most powerful means of preventing the rise of an independent
working-class, i.e., genuinely socialist, party."
It is interesting
Ian writes: >Meanwhile, there are yet other differences today's would be
revolutionaries have to deal with: a soft cage of computer surveillance
that grows ever more elaborate with each passing week; massive stockpiles
of nuclear and bio-chem weaponry alongside ever more effective non-lethal
forms
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/18/business/18insure.html
[New York Times]
March 18, 2004
New Momentum for Letting U.S. Help Regulate Nation's Insurers
By JOSEPH B. TREASTER
The prospect that Washington will seize a role in the regulation of
insurance is gaining momentum after more than 150 years o
Shane Mage is right in noting that Lenin was talking of intervention in a
"class party", ie. the Labour Party, but he is wrong when he says Left-Wing
Communism is concerned with "the differences between the leader of the
British capitalist class and the leader of the British Labor Party" and that
"
No, I'm afraid this won't do, Louis. There was no distinction made between a
party of the big bourgeoise and the petty bourgeoisie. The only permissable
electoral activity for a Marxist was in relation to a party based on the
unions and committed to public ownership. You're just trying to put a
"pr
So I would ask Louis on what basis he believes participation in and
encouragement for the Green Party is in accordance with what he calls "class
criteria", while an orientation to another bourgeois party -- in this case,
the Democrats, by far the much larger of the two and the one supported by
the
I recall Nader saying that more than 20 years ago.
On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 07:23:44PM -0800, joanna bujes wrote:
> I remember Gore Vidal saying on some talk show, "What we have in this
> country is socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor." This was
> bout 20 years ago.
>
> Joanna
>
> De
I just returned from visiting my daughter & getting to meet Mike Yates for a few
minutes. My head is spinning from this discussion.
On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 09:14:50PM -0500, Doug Henwood wrote:
> Could someone explain what Ralph Nader's candidacy has to do with the
> development of a socialist pa
Marvin Gandall writes:
"...bourgeois-dominated but worker-based
parties like the Democratic party in the US..."
If Marvin thinks the Dumbocrats are "worker-based"
they're most welcome to his support.
Shane Mage is right in noting that Lenin was talking of intervention in a
"class party", ie. the
as usual, this commentary of Mage makes so much sense to me.
ahmet tonak
Shane Mage wrote:
Doug Henwood asks:
Could someone explain what Ralph Nader's candidacy has to do with the
development of a socialist party in the U.S.? I could swear he was a
petit bourgeois who believed in the beauties o
I was sitting with a high ranking official in an airport lounge in a developing country with a high rate of abject poverty, and the guy said after some baiting: "look at russia, you know socialism is a failure" and for once i could not hold back and i said do you consider capitalism in your countr
I have to confess to Michael that even if there were fewer than 93
posts yesterday I would continue to have difficulty maintaining my
regular involvement in this list, which I appreciate. I am devoting
quite a lot of energy on the internet to promoting more individual
psychological approaches to th
65 matches
Mail list logo
