Re: Perl development server
I'd love to have an account as well. username atnnn. realname Etienne Laurin. As for the hostname, what about s6nd.perl6.nl?
Re: Perl development server
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 05:18:45PM +0200, Juerd wrote: Everyone who wants, can get a login. Access is provided via SSH version 2 only (Windows users can use PuTTY and WinSCP), and the box may be used for everything that improves Perl 6 development. Users are encouraged to keep files world readable for transparency. If you want access, please let me know. I will send you a temporary password by e-mail, that I expect you to change the first time you get the chance. May I have an account name 'kolibrie'? Please let me know which software you want installed. If it's in Debian and doesn't conflict with other software, you can have it (but no X or openoffice, or the like). If it's not in Debian, you'll have to compile it yourself. I tend to like to have a copy of 'darcs' on-hand, and I really like 'screen'. Thanks for this great service to the Perl6 community! -kolibrie pgpnoqL2uGdL0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Perl development server
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 06:51:31PM +0200, Juerd wrote: Nathan Gray skribis 2005-05-23 12:50 (-0400): Sorry, but 'dev' isn't cute enough :). And it's going to be something.perl6.nl, probably. I don't mind aliases, though, but they better be CNAMEs. Juerd, why am I getting everyone's responses, but not your original messages? I have no idea. I'm sending these messages to the two mailing lists, and from there on, I can't track where they're going (or not) Ah, here they all come. p6c must have taken longer than p6l. -kolibrie
Re: Perl development server
Juerd wrote: If you want access, please let me know. I will send you a temporary password by e-mail, that I expect you to change the first time you get the chance. I would like an account, name 'spinclad'. The need for svn, ghc and such has finally pushed me to upgrade my home debian box to sarge, and I'm still looking for a package with ghc6.4, or the tuits to build one myself. (Doubtless someone will point me to an overlooked message announcing one months back...) I think having a joint testbed machine to look over, test things, compare with home, and help with would be a good use of my time at this point. Also, this new machine needs a hostname. Please help me think of a cute name! I prefer a short hostname with less than 9 letters. I like onion, too... maybe 'geode' later, when perl6 has been cast in stone. (Though then we wouldn't need a dev server...) Regards, Roger Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl development server
Roger Hale skribis 2005-05-24 6:02 (-0400): I would like an account, name 'spinclad'. Sure. The need for svn, ghc and such has finally pushed me to upgrade my home debian box to sarge, and I'm still looking for a package with ghc6.4, or the tuits to build one myself. Get ghc-cvs from sid. Don't use sarge if you want to use recent software. I like onion, too... maybe 'geode' later, when perl6 has been cast in stone. (Though then we wouldn't need a dev server...) Unfortunately, onion is already taken by another important Perl server: onion.perl.org. I'm currently considering 'ui', which is Dutch for 'onion'. I bet almost nobody here knows how to pronounce ui ;) Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html
Re: Perl development server
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 05:25:57PM +0200, Juerd wrote: Rob Kinyon skribis 2005-05-23 11:22 (-0400): I'd like one. Sure - just think of a nice catchy username! :) I'd like bsmith. Thanks :-) Maybe we should divvy these tasks out. It wouldn't do that have two people smoke-testing on the exact same machine or to have two SVN mirrors ... Good idea, will you take the task of managing these decisions? I'd like to volunteer to setup the SVN/SVK mirror. Software wise can I ask for: * svk * vim * screen * cron -- Benjamin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp9T8BkiKhuw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Perl development server
On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 11:12:58AM +0100, Benjamin Smith wrote: * svk * vim * screen * cron * haddock -- Benjamin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp2GkG7fEUxQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Perl development server
On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 12:12:57PM +0200, Juerd wrote: I'm currently considering 'ui', which is Dutch for 'onion'. I bet almost nobody here knows how to pronounce ui ;) That reads 'user interface' to me, which I think isn't what we want. How about 'sipuli'? That's what onion is called in Finnish. :) Anyway, I do think the name should be English, to be as accessible as possible. 'Feather' is nice, and reminds me of Pugs's origins. On the other hand, maybe 'falcon' (as terribly cliched as it is) is more accurate of Pugs nowadays. -- wolverian signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Perl development server
Hi, Just to know, onion in Hungarian is hagyma. ;) Bye, Andras On Tue, 24 May 2005, wolverian wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 12:12:57PM +0200, Juerd wrote: I'm currently considering 'ui', which is Dutch for 'onion'. I bet almost nobody here knows how to pronounce ui ;) That reads 'user interface' to me, which I think isn't what we want. How about 'sipuli'? That's what onion is called in Finnish. :) Anyway, I do think the name should be English, to be as accessible as possible. 'Feather' is nice, and reminds me of Pugs's origins. On the other hand, maybe 'falcon' (as terribly cliched as it is) is more accurate of Pugs nowadays. -- wolverian
Re: Perl development server
Onian in Portuguese: cebola (in case any of you wonder) wolverian wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 12:12:57PM +0200, Juerd wrote: I'm currently considering 'ui', which is Dutch for 'onion'. I bet almost nobody here knows how to pronounce ui ;) That reads 'user interface' to me, which I think isn't what we want. How about 'sipuli'? That's what onion is called in Finnish. :) Anyway, I do think the name should be English, to be as accessible as possible. 'Feather' is nice, and reminds me of Pugs's origins. On the other hand, maybe 'falcon' (as terribly cliched as it is) is more accurate of Pugs nowadays. -- Alberto Simões - Departamento de Informática - Universidade do Minho Campus de Gualtar - 4710-057 Braga - Portugal
Re: Perl development server
Note how close to Finnish it is. Portuguese: cebola Finnish: sipoli Might be a coincidence, but might also be a borrowed word. // Carl On 5/24/05, Alberto Manuel Brandão Simões [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Onian in Portuguese: cebola (in case any of you wonder) wolverian wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 12:12:57PM +0200, Juerd wrote: I'm currently considering 'ui', which is Dutch for 'onion'. I bet almost nobody here knows how to pronounce ui ;) That reads 'user interface' to me, which I think isn't what we want. How about 'sipuli'? That's what onion is called in Finnish. :) Anyway, I do think the name should be English, to be as accessible as possible. 'Feather' is nice, and reminds me of Pugs's origins. On the other hand, maybe 'falcon' (as terribly cliched as it is) is more accurate of Pugs nowadays. -- Alberto Simões - Departamento de Informática - Universidade do Minho Campus de Gualtar - 4710-057 Braga - Portugal
(OT) Re: Perl development server
On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 02:57:42PM +0200, Carl Mäsak wrote: Note how close to Finnish it is. Portuguese: cebola Finnish: sipoli Might be a coincidence, but might also be a borrowed word. (This is extremely OT for the list.) That's 'sipuli', actually. I'm not sure (I'm not an etymologist), but there might be a common root in the latin name - Allium _cepa_ Linnaeus. It seems to have had multiple common latin names in the past, most of them based on 'cepa'. 'Cepae' is remarkably close to Finnish, although the ending is different. (Finnish in general has some _very_ old forms of words that have degenerated ages ago in other languages.) -- wolverian signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: (OT) Re: Perl development server
On Tuesday 24 May 2005 15:06, wolverian wrote: in the latin name - Allium _cepa_ Linnaeus. What about cepa as name? BTW, it's Zwiebel in german ;-)
Re: reduce metaoperator on an empty list
On Fri, May 20, 2005 at 10:14:26PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark A. Biggar wrote: Well the identity of % is +inf (also right side only). I read $n % any( $n..Inf ) == $n. The point is there's no unique right identity and thus (Num,%) disqualifies for a Monoid. BTW, the above is a nice example where a junction needn't be preserved :) If as usual the definition of a right identity value e is that a op e = a for all a, then only +inf works. Besdies you example should have been; $n % any (($n+1)..Inf), $n % $n = 0. E.g. if XY is left associative and returns Y when true then ... Sorry, is it the case that $x = $y $z might put something else but 0 or 1 into $x depending on the order relation between $y and $z? Which is one reason why I siad that it might not make sense to define the chaining ops in terms of the associtivity of the binary ops, But as we are interested in what [] over the empty list shoud return , the identity (left or right) of '' is unimportant as I think that should return false as there is nothing to be less then anything else. Note that defaulting to undef therefore works in that case. The identity operand is -inf for and =, and +inf for and =. A chained relation (, =, =) is then taken to mean monotonically increasing (decreasing, non-decreasing, non-increasing), and an empty list, like a one element list, is always in order. --
Re: Perl development server
wolverian skribis 2005-05-24 15:01 (+0300): I'm currently considering 'ui', which is Dutch for 'onion'. I bet almost nobody here knows how to pronounce ui ;) That reads 'user interface' to me, which I think isn't what we want. How about 'sipuli'? That's what onion is called in Finnish. :) Anyway, I do think the name should be English, to be as accessible as possible. 'Feather' is nice, and reminds me of Pugs's origins. On the other hand, maybe 'falcon' (as terribly cliched as it is) is more accurate of Pugs nowadays. Or the other nice words for onion. It's weird that the word for onion is funny in every language, even though they words are radically different! I like sipuli and zwiebel, just because they're the funniest. But I like the newly suggested feather better, as it can relate to pugs AND parrot. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html
Re: (OT) Re: Perl development server
On Tue, 24 May 2005, wolverian wrote: Portuguese: cebola Finnish: sipoli Italian: cipolla (since nobody has mentioned it yet) Michele -- It was part of the dissatisfaction thing. I never claimed I was a nice person. - David Kastrup in comp.text.tex, Re: verbatiminput double spacing
Re: Perl development server
On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 12:12:57PM +0200, Juerd wrote: Unfortunately, onion is already taken by another important Perl server: onion.perl.org. I'm currently considering 'ui', which is Dutch for 'onion'. I bet almost nobody here knows how to pronounce ui ;) What about another herb like garlic? Throw in some meat and vegetables and we've got a good stew going :-) -Scott -- Jonathan Scott Duff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl development server
carrot :-) Jonathan Scott Duff wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 12:12:57PM +0200, Juerd wrote: Unfortunately, onion is already taken by another important Perl server: onion.perl.org. I'm currently considering 'ui', which is Dutch for 'onion'. I bet almost nobody here knows how to pronounce ui ;) What about another herb like garlic? Throw in some meat and vegetables and we've got a good stew going :-) -Scott -- Alberto Simões - Departamento de Informática - Universidade do Minho Campus de Gualtar - 4710-057 Braga - Portugal
Re: (OT) Re: Perl development server
Esperanto: cepo (though that's probably not a data point) // Carl On 5/24/05, Michele Dondi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 24 May 2005, wolverian wrote: Portuguese: cebola Finnish: sipoli Italian: cipolla (since nobody has mentioned it yet) Michele -- It was part of the dissatisfaction thing. I never claimed I was a nice person. - David Kastrup in comp.text.tex, Re: verbatiminput double spacing
Re: (OT) Re: Perl development server
Icelandic: laukur (Incidentally, none of you will ever guess how to correctly pronounce that.) -- Schwäche zeigen heißt verlieren; härte heißt regieren. - Glas und Tränen, Megaherz
Re: (OT) Re: Perl development server
On Tue, 24 May 2005, Herbert Snorrason wrote: Icelandic: laukur (Incidentally, none of you will ever guess how to correctly pronounce that.) Incidentally, would 'laukurdottir' be a proper Icelandic offence? :-) Michele -- Me too. If it's any comfort, just think of the design of Perl 6 as a genetic algorithm running on a set of distributed wetware CPUs. We'll just keep mutating our ideas till they prove themselves adaptive. - Larry Wall in p6l, Re: Adding linear interpolation to an array
Re: (OT) Re: Perl development server
On 5/24/05, Michele Dondi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 24 May 2005, Herbert Snorrason wrote: Icelandic: laukur (Incidentally, none of you will ever guess how to correctly pronounce that.) Incidentally, would 'laukurdottir' be a proper Icelandic offence? :-) daughter of an onion ?? I can't be translating that right ... Rob
Re: (OT) Re: Perl development server
On 24/05/05, Michele Dondi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, would 'laukurdottir' be a proper Icelandic offence? :-) It'd be 'lauksdóttir' (due to declension) and mean 'daughter of an onion'. If nothing else, it would make people look at you in a funny way... ;) -- Schwäche zeigen heißt verlieren; härte heißt regieren. - Glas und Tränen, Megaherz
Re: Perl development server
On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 03:44:43PM +0200, Juerd wrote: But I like the newly suggested feather better, as it can relate to pugs AND parrot. Feather is best one thus far, I think. I like carrot too; it's more playful. I equate Pugs with fun a lot. -- wolverian signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Perl development server
wolverian wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 03:44:43PM +0200, Juerd wrote: But I like the newly suggested feather better, as it can relate to pugs AND parrot. Feather is best one thus far, I think. I like carrot too; it's more playful. I equate Pugs with fun a lot. How about budgie. a small Australian parakeet usually light green with black and yellow markings in the wild but bred in many colors, syn: budgerigar. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl development server
On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 06:16:06PM +0300, wolverian wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 03:44:43PM +0200, Juerd wrote: But I like the newly suggested feather better, as it can relate to pugs AND parrot. Feather is best one thus far, I think. I like carrot too; it's more playful. I equate Pugs with fun a lot. I think carrot is nice too. Only it makes me wonder where the stick is :) -Scott -- Jonathan Scott Duff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: s/true/better name/
Sorry, that I excavate that thread, but it just fits my question. Rod Adams wrote: Well, and and or serve the purpose of being at a much lower precedence level than and ||. I would see the value in alphabetic not as serving the same relation to !. But I would still see it returning a Bool, not a numified 0 or 1. I could see a boolean operator serving the same relation to ?. The question is: are ?, !, not and true returning values besides the boolean evaluation? Something like 'value but true'? To wit: my $a = 4; my $b = 0; say 'true' if $a; # prints 'true' say $a $b; # prints '4' say ($a and $b); # same, parens needed for precedence say 'true' if not $b; # prints 'true' say not $a; # prints 0, or '4 but false' say $b || not $a; # prints '4 but false' say $b ||!$a; # prints '4 but false' say bit $a; # prints '0' or 'false' say bool $a; # print '4 but true' But for those cases where someone absolutely has to have a 1 or 0, not some Boolean object, sticking a + or int in front of a !, ?, not, or boolean seems to cover that case fine. Boolean return values are the task of unary ?^, aren't they? Continuing from above +?$a would still be 4 not bit::true, right? Even ~+?*+?$a is as far as the value is concerned a no-op? Thus to really flatten away the value one needs to use ?^ which has bit as the alpha pendant? If my above assumptions are correct I would like to get bool as the alpha pendant to ? like not for !. BTW are num and str the equivalents of + and ~ respectively? And - has no corresponding neg or so? The strings 'true' and 'false' should really be kept as enums of the bit type. Thanks for your patience with me. -- TSa (Thomas Sandlaß)
Re: Perl development server
On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 12:12:57PM +0200, Juerd wrote: Unfortunately, onion is already taken by another important Perl server: onion.perl.org. I'm currently considering 'ui', which is Dutch for 'onion'. I bet almost nobody here knows how to pronounce ui ;) For a development machine, the yiddish pronunciation would work well. That would make it sound like OY! :-) --
Re: Perl development server
On Tue, 24 May 2005, wolverian wrote:
On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 03:44:43PM +0200, Juerd wrote:
But I like the newly suggested feather better, as it can relate to
pugs AND parrot.
Feather is best one thus far, I think. I like carrot too; it's more
playful. I equate Pugs with fun a lot.
Hmmm, but has 'carrot' anything to do with perl6 C any more, well, apart
s/p(?=arrot)/c; # obviously
(BTW: how would that be in p6?)
Also, while I'm not fond of the vast majority of vegetables, I like onions
as an ingredient of many other good meals ('meal' is not the correct
English word for what I mean, but the correct term eludes me ATM). But can
you say the same thing of carrots?!?
Michele
--
I once heard someone say, the sum of the reciprocals
of the known primes is less than 4 - and it will always be.
- Gerry Myerson in sci.math, Re: Summation of Reciprocals of Primes
comprehensive list of perl6 rule tokens
I'm working on a Perl 5 module that will allow for the parsing of a Perl 6
rule into a tree structure -- specifically, I'm subclassing/extending
Regexp::Parser into Perl6::Rule::Parser. This module is designed ONLY to
PARSE the contents of a rule; it is not concerned with the implementation
of all the new things Perl 6 rules will offer, merely their syntax. Once
this module is done, I'll work on a slightly broader one which will
concern itself with the exterior of the rule (the m:xyz:abc('def')/.../
part, rather than the contents of the rule itself).
To do this effectively, I need an exhaustive list of all tokens that can
appear in a Perl 6 rule. By token, I mean a single unit of purpose,
such as ^^ and after ... and **{3..6}. I have looked through the latest
revisions of Apo05 and Syn05 (from Dec 2004) and come up with the
following list:
http://japhy.perlmonk.org/perl6/rules.txt
The list is split up by leading character. I think it's complete, but I'm
probably wrong, which is why I need more eyes to look over it and tell me
what I've missed.
I just got an email back from Damian which will help me move in the right
direction, but I'd like this to be open to as many knowledgeable minds as
possible.
The part which needs a bit of clarification right now, in my opinion, is
character classes. From what I can gather, these are character classes:
[a-z] +digit
+alpha -[aeiouAEIOU]
but I want to be sure. I'm also curious about whitespace. Is [ one
token, or can I write [a-z] and have it be a character class?
Thanks for your help. Unless you're difficult.
--
Jeff japhy Pinyan % How can we ever be the sold short or
RPI Acacia Brother #734 % the cheated, we who for every service
http://japhy.perlmonk.org/ % have long ago been overpaid?
http://www.perlmonks.org/ %-- Meister Eckhart
Re: comprehensive list of perl6 rule tokens
On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 08:25:03PM -0400, Jeff 'japhy' Pinyan wrote: http://japhy.perlmonk.org/perl6/rules.txt That looks completish to me. (At least I didn't think, hey! where's such and such?) One thing that I noticed and had to look up was -prop X though. Because ... The part which needs a bit of clarification right now, in my opinion, is character classes. From what I can gather, these are character classes: [a-z] +digit +alpha -[aeiouAEIOU] I believe that Larry blessed Pm's idea to allow [a..z]+digit +alpha-[aeiouAEIOU] which implies to me that assertions starting with one of [, - or + should be treated as character classes. This doesn't seem to play well with -prop X. Maybe it does though. Also, I think that it's [a..z] now rather than [a-z] but I'm not entirely sure. At least that's how PGE implements it. but I want to be sure. I'm also curious about whitespace. Is [ one token, or can I write [a-z] and have it be a character class? I think you need to write [ -Scott -- Jonathan Scott Duff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: comprehensive list of perl6 rule tokens
On May 24, Jonathan Scott Duff said: On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 08:25:03PM -0400, Jeff 'japhy' Pinyan wrote: http://japhy.perlmonk.org/perl6/rules.txt That looks completish to me. (At least I didn't think, hey! where's such and such?) Oh, frabjous day! One thing that I noticed and had to look up was -prop X though. Because ... I wish !prop X was allowed. I don't see why !... has to be confined to zero-width assertions. The part which needs a bit of clarification right now, in my opinion, is character classes. From what I can gather, these are character classes: [a-z] +digit +alpha -[aeiouAEIOU] I believe that Larry blessed Pm's idea to allow [a..z]+digit +alpha-[aeiouAEIOU] Ok, that's news to me. (I have yet to peruse the archives.) That's nice, not requiring you to -ize property names inside a character class assertion. I'd think whitespace would be permitted in between parts of a character class, but perhaps I'm wrong. That would kinda go against the whole whitespace for readability idea of Perl 6 rules, though. which implies to me that assertions starting with one of [, - or + should be treated as character classes. This doesn't seem to play well with -prop X. Maybe it does though. Considering the Unicode properties are like char class macro-things (like \w and \d), I don't see a problem, except for the fact that there's more than one word (chunk of non-whitespace) associated with them. Maybe Unicode properties retain their enclosing 's? Also, I think that it's [a..z] now rather than [a-z] but I'm not entirely sure. At least that's how PGE implements it. Ok. I'll wait for a message from On High about that. It's a minor detail. but I want to be sure. I'm also curious about whitespace. Is [ one token, or can I write [a-z] and have it be a character class? I think you need to write [ I expected as much. -- Jeff japhy Pinyan % How can we ever be the sold short or RPI Acacia Brother #734 % the cheated, we who for every service http://japhy.perlmonk.org/ % have long ago been overpaid? http://www.perlmonks.org/ %-- Meister Eckhart
Syntax of using Perl5 modules?
So, this now works in Pugs with (with a env PUGS_EMBED=perl5 build):
use Digest--perl5;
my $cxt = Digest.SHA1;
$cxt.add('Pugs!');
# This prints: 66db83c4c3953949a30563141f08a848c4202f7f
say $cxt.hexdigest;
This includes the Digest.pm from Perl 5. DBI.pm, CGI.pm etc will
also work.
Now my question is, is my choice of using the perl5 namespace indicator a
sane way to handle this? Is it okay for Perl 6 to fallback to using Perl 5
automatically? Or should I use something else than use entirely?
Thanks,
/Autrijus/
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