Re: perl5 to perl6

2001-05-11 Thread Nathan Wiger
* Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05/10/2001 17:31]: > > Here's the corresponding perl6 program: > > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > > while (<$ARGS>) { ^ Whoa! Is RFC 94 being considered?! I thought I retracted that. ;-) > Notice the variable changes: %count{...} because I'm

Re: You will not have to rewrite your Perl 5 programs!

2001-05-10 Thread Nathan Wiger
* Adam Turoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05/10/2001 15:20]: > > Yes, it has, in Apocolypse 1: > > Perl 6 must assume it is being fed Perl 5 code until it knows otherwise. > > http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/04/02/wall.html Yup, I saw that - actually, the discussion I was referencing was post-A

Re: You will not have to rewrite your Perl 5 programs!

2001-05-10 Thread Nathan Wiger
* Dan Sugalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05/10/2001 14:18]: > > > >Perl 6 *will* provide a backwards compatible Perl 5 parser. The > >details are not nailed down, but this definately will happen. > > Damn straight. One way or another, perl 6 will eat perl 5 code close to > painlessly. (Typeglobs, pe

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-10 Thread Nathan Wiger
* Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05/10/2001 11:57]: > > Nathan Wiger writes: > : Maybe the name "Perl" should be dropped altogether? > > No. The Schemers had to do a name change because the Lisp name had > pretty much already been ruined by divergence. &g

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-10 Thread Nathan Wiger
* Peter Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05/10/2001 10:55]: > > Eh, I fully understand that version number magnitudes are simply to attract > attention, and that The Faithful don't need the glitz. Since AFAICT the > glitz doesn't hurt, though, it doesn't do any harm to give marketing all > the help

Re: Traffic lights and language design

2001-05-05 Thread Nathan Wiger
[again, apologies if this is a duplicate] * Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05/04/2001 15:51]: > > Oddly enough, varying the number of traffic lights can effect > efficiency. By over-regulating you can choke off traffic. Constant > fiddling with the setups and timings, trying to control

Re: Traffic lights and language design

2001-05-04 Thread Nathan Wiger
* Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05/04/2001 15:51]: > > Oddly enough, varying the number of traffic lights can effect > efficiency. By over-regulating you can choke off traffic. Constant > fiddling with the setups and timings, trying to control each and every > intersection to maximize t

Re: Tech documentation (Re: Perl Apprenticeship Program)

2000-12-06 Thread Nathan Wiger
Kirrily Skud Robert wrote: > > Open Source Writers Group (http://oswg.org/) is a good starting point. > I'm subscribed to their mailing list. This is really cool. Should we consider posting an announcement to this website for potential docs people? Or is it still premature to do something like

Tech documentation (Re: Perl Apprenticeship Program)

2000-12-05 Thread Nathan Wiger
Steve Fink wrote: > > David Grove wrote: > > > Also, as far as documentation goes, I think it _should_ be written by > > apprentices, so that non-masters can understand it too. > > Except it's a particular duty that nobody really likes to perform. One thing that might be really cool is if ther

Re: how the FreeBSD project gets its "core members"

2000-10-16 Thread Nathan Wiger
Adam Turoff wrote: > > No worries. These BSD guys are onto something... > http://www.daemonnews.org/200010/dadvocate.html Thanks for the great link. This is a really interesting article. In particular, I found these points about FreeBSD to be reminiscient of concerns some have raised about

Re: Update on Larry's talk

2000-10-11 Thread Nathan Wiger
Nathan Torkington wrote: > > $als_keynote = Dumper($Larry->perl6_design); package Sympathy; sub create { print "We're behind you, $_!\n" } package main; create Sympathy because => RFCs for Larry; Heh, it actually works, too. :-) -Nate P.S. Do we need a perl6-poetry? ;-)

Re: Now and then

2000-10-11 Thread Nathan Wiger
Nathan Torkington wrote: > The immediate question facing us is how to structure software design. > This is different from the ongoing maintenance of Perl. > The architecture will be partially decided by Larry, and seems best > done by a few experienced with such things. Detailed design seems >

Re: Continued RFC process

2000-10-10 Thread Nathan Wiger
Dan Sugalski wrote: > > Works. We still have those Quantum Ninja that we're holding in reserve for > Damian... :) Yeah... they're vicious, too - they kick ass in constant time. ;-) -Nate

Re: Continued RFC process

2000-10-10 Thread Nathan Wiger
Dan Sugalski wrote: > > > > Just that it not be *too* hard to get on the closed lists > > > >Yep, this is my only concern. It should be reasonably easy to say "I > >really want to help" and get on the closed lists. Perhaps the best way > >of making sure the lists don't bloat into "everyone has a

Re: Continued RFC process

2000-10-10 Thread Nathan Wiger
Andy Dougherty wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Nathan Torkington wrote: > > > Closed-for-posting mailing lists that are publically readable is the > > best suggestion we've had to meet these ends so far. > > > > Anyone have better suggestions? > > Just that it not be *too* hard to get on the clo

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-05 Thread Nathan Wiger
John Porter wrote: > > RFCs like "330: Global dynamic variables should remain the > default" should not need to be written! (No disrespect to you, > Nate.) None taken; I actually agree. Unfortunately, I thought that -strict did nowhere near enough analysis of scoping issues besides the initial s

RFC Process Improvements (was Re: RFC 357)

2000-10-04 Thread Nathan Wiger
Adam Turoff wrote: > > RFC Improvement #1: All updated RFCs must contain a CHANGES section. > > RFC Improvement #2: All updated RFCs must contain a synopsis of > relevant discussion, including opposing views. > > RFC Improvement #3: All final RFCs must contain a discussi

The overall RFC process (was Re: *REALLY*, it's getting close here...)

2000-09-29 Thread Nathan Wiger
Adam Turoff wrote: > > I'd like to take advantage of the 2-week RFC freeze to focus on the > process we set up for the first two months of Perl6. That way, we can > start talking about more procedural issues, like what happens when someone > comes up with v1 of an RFC but abandons it for 7 weeks

Re: What good are WG chairs?

2000-09-11 Thread Nathan Wiger
Russ Allbery wrote: > > I've been feeling guilty about not doing much in the way of chair-like > things with date-time, but I'm also not sure what exactly I'm supposed to > be doing. Discussion has essentially died out completely, which means > that I probably should be trying to kick-start it.

Re: The Future - grim.

2000-09-10 Thread Nathan Wiger
> > What we're doing about that: > > * pushing the output through Larry > > [Yes, this addresses only part of the problem. Any suggestions for > > other ways to solve this?] > > The RFC mountain is way, way too high to be climbed by just one person, > let alone the output of the various mailing

Re: Proposed RFC for matrix indexing and slicing

2000-08-31 Thread Nathan Wiger
Larry Wall wrote: > > More generally, for all X, I wouldn't mind > if Perl became the language of choice for X. Who wouldn't! But I think that would probably have to be, "if Perl became the language of choice for X - 1". Perl's gotta be written in something, after all... ;-) -Nate Of course,

Re: RFC Updates

2000-08-31 Thread Nathan Wiger
Adam Turoff wrote: > > Look again. > > Next request? ;-) Can you continue to rock? You're kickin' my ass as RFC Librarian. Nice job. -Nate :-)

Re: Proposal for IMPLEMENTATION sections

2000-08-29 Thread Nathan Wiger
Mark-Jason Dominus wrote: > > The IMPLEMENTATION section of the RFC is supposed to be mandatory, but > there have been an awful lot of RFCs posted that have missing or > evasive IMPLEMENTATION sections. Well, I have to counter this with the following: Having a complete IMPLEMENTATION section sho

RFC's in HTML

2000-08-27 Thread Nathan Wiger
Are we maintaining the RFC's in HTML anywhere? I don't see them. If not, could we add an HTML link at the end of the RFC links: RFC 0 (v4): Some title [ HTML ] Sometimes reading HTML is easier on the eyes than plain text. Plus you get all the cross-links and stuff. Just a suggestion. -Nate