Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-09 Thread Greg Smith
On Sat, 9 Feb 2008, Jan Wieck wrote: It is pretty obvious that amost every current system has options to convert from or to mirror a CVS repository. But what if we someday really want to use something else as the master repository? In order to export from CVS into one of the newer systems, th

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-09 Thread Brendan Jurd
On Feb 10, 2008 8:58 AM, Jan Wieck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wonder if the efforts to provide mirrors for many different systems can > hurt later down the road. It is pretty obvious that amost every current > system has options to convert from or to mirror a CVS repository. But what if > we

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-09 Thread Jan Wieck
-Original Message- From: Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan Date: Fri Feb 8, 2008 7:15 Size: 773 bytes To: "Brendan Jurd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: "Markus Bertheau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; pgsql-hacker

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-09 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Andrew Dunstan escribió: > > Joshua D. Drake wrote: Can you document what you actually do on the developers' wiki? >>> I'd prefer we do not advertise it until it's actually usable. >> >> Wait, what are we talking about? The SVN mirror we have right now is >> perfectly usable.

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-09 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Joshua D. Drake wrote: Can you document what you actually do on the developers' wiki? I'd prefer we do not advertise it until it's actually usable. Wait, what are we talking about? The SVN mirror we have right now is perfectly usable. It just has to be rebuilt a couple of time

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-09 Thread Magnus Hagander
Joshua D. Drake wrote: On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:39:36 -0300 Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Andrew Dunstan escribió: Alvaro Herrera wrote: Florian Pflug escribió: Yeah, the SVN mirror in commandprompt.com is recreated from scratch every time. This sucks, we know -- I think it's on Jo

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-09 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:39:36 -0300 Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew Dunstan escribió: > > > Alvaro Herrera wrote: > >> Florian Pflug escribió: > > >> Yeah, the SVN mirror in commandprompt.com is recreated from scratch > >> every time. This sucks, we know -- I think it's on Josh

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-08 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Andrew Dunstan escribió: > Alvaro Herrera wrote: >> Florian Pflug escribió: >> Yeah, the SVN mirror in commandprompt.com is recreated from scratch >> every time. This sucks, we know -- I think it's on Joshua's list to >> change it to update incrementally. > > Can you document what you actually

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-08 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:25:33 -0500 Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, the SVN mirror in commandprompt.com is recreated from scratch > > every time. This sucks, we know -- I think it's on Joshua's list to > > change it to update incrementally. > > > > > > Can you document wha

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-08 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Alvaro Herrera wrote: Florian Pflug escribió: I've tried with both the SVN and the GIT mirror. Things worked well initialled, but in *both* cases pulling changes from the mirror stopped working after a few weeks or so. It seems that both of these mirrors create the SVN/GIT repo from s

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-08 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Tom Lane wrote: Dimitri Fontaine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Le Wednesday 06 February 2008 21:35:54 Peter Eisentraut, vous avez écrit : Yes, I feel we could use a group writeable patch queue of some sort. Perhaps an IMAP server setup could do the job. I've read some developers appreciating t

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-08 Thread Aidan Van Dyk
* Florian Pflug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080208 09:25]: > Aidan Van Dyk wrote: > >The Git repo certainly is an "incremental" update. > > > >If you ever see a "rewind" (non-fastforward) of the the repo.or.cz > >PostgreSQL repo, please let me know... > > Hm... interesting... > > I'm pretty sure that th

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-08 Thread Florian Pflug
Aidan Van Dyk wrote: The Git repo certainly is an "incremental" update. If you ever see a "rewind" (non-fastforward) of the the repo.or.cz PostgreSQL repo, please let me know... Hm... interesting... I'm pretty sure that the "past" changed at least once - at least I once got loud complaints f

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-08 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Florian Pflug escribió: > I've tried with both the SVN and the GIT mirror. Things worked well > initialled, but in *both* cases pulling changes from the mirror stopped > working after a few weeks or so. It seems that both of these mirrors > create the SVN/GIT repo from scratch every time the

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-08 Thread Aidan Van Dyk
The Git repo certainly is an "incremental" update. If you ever see a "rewind" (non-fastforward) of the the repo.or.cz PostgreSQL repo, please let me know... a. * Florian Pflug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080208 07:50]: > I've tried with both the SVN and the GIT mirror. Things worked well > initiall

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-08 Thread Florian Pflug
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Am Freitag, 8. Februar 2008 schrieb Brendan Jurd: In particular, if the git repos were officially supported, and best practises for use with Postgres documented, I think a lot more hackers would be comfortable using git to do their work, which is good for collaboration (a

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-08 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Am Freitag, 8. Februar 2008 schrieb Brendan Jurd: > In particular, if the git repos were officially supported, and best > practises for use with Postgres documented, I think a lot more hackers > would be comfortable using git to do their work, which is good for > collaboration (as mentioned by Greg

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-08 Thread Brendan Jurd
On Feb 8, 2008 10:29 PM, Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Freitag, 8. Februar 2008 schrieb Markus Bertheau: > > Maybe the existing SVN, git and other mirrors could just become more > > official and supported in the sense that users can rely on them to be > > updated often enough? >

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-08 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Am Freitag, 8. Februar 2008 schrieb Markus Bertheau: > Maybe the existing SVN, git and other mirrors could just become more > official and supported in the sense that users can rely on them to be > updated often enough? I think you are right. Some of that is already being worked on. It certainly

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-08 Thread Markus Bertheau
2008/2/8, Heikki Linnakangas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Gregory Stark wrote: > > git or its ilk would impact the lives of submitters and reviewers most. > > Basically it would allow two non-committers to collaborate, something which we > > can't really do effectively now. > > Two git-using non-committe

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-08 Thread Mark Cave-Ayland
On Friday 08 February 2008 00:52:04 Gregory Stark wrote: > Well not really. Our current model is that only stuff that's ready for > widespread use goes into CVS. That means "everything" isn't open and shared > at all. "everything" is mostly sitting on people's local hard drives where > you can't u

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-08 Thread Heikki Linnakangas
Gregory Stark wrote: "Heikki Linnakangas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Therefore, we can provide mirrors of the CVS repository in multiple formats. And those mirrors exist already, I remember a GIT and a Subversion mirror off the top of my head, and I bet there's others. After we have that, the

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Zdenek Kotala
Magnus Hagander wrote: Alvaro Herrera wrote: Stefan Kaltenbrunner escribió: yeah - the test install is available on http://reviewdemo.postgresql.org if people want to test judge for themself - contact magnus or me if you need permissions to do/test stuff there. Thanks. I tried submittin

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Zdenek Kotala
Christopher Browne wrote: On Feb 7, 2008 9:42 PM, Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gregory Stark escribió: For what it's worth I think GIT is a better fit for our needs. Perhaps it would be, if it worked on Windows ... Not that I care, but I bet Magnus would. http://code.google.com

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Gregory Stark
"Fabien COELHO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ISTM that a decentralized or distributed SCM for PostgreSQL would be a bad > move, however great it would be at branching and merging. For me it is a > philosophy question: if PGSQL is a "common work", then everything should be > open and shared, and

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Magnus Hagander
Alvaro Herrera wrote: Stefan Kaltenbrunner escribió: yeah - the test install is available on http://reviewdemo.postgresql.org if people want to test judge for themself - contact magnus or me if you need permissions to do/test stuff there. Thanks. I tried submitting a review request agains

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Christopher Browne
On Feb 7, 2008 9:42 PM, Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gregory Stark escribió: > > > For what it's worth I think GIT is a better fit for our needs. > > Perhaps it would be, if it worked on Windows ... Not that I care, but I > bet Magnus would. http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/ "Unfor

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Gregory Stark
"Heikki Linnakangas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Therefore, we can provide mirrors of the CVS repository in multiple formats. > And those mirrors exist already, I remember a GIT and a Subversion mirror off > the top of my head, and I bet there's others. After we have that, the master > version c

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Stefan Kaltenbrunner escribió: > yeah - the test install is available on http://reviewdemo.postgresql.org > if people want to test judge for themself - contact magnus or me if you > need permissions to do/test stuff there. Thanks. I tried submitting a review request against anoncvs but it fa

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
Fabien COELHO wrote: > I'm not sure I would be proud to use such a stupidly named tool for a > "common work". I really do not share Linus humor, and apparent contempt > for other people. GIT implements "I want to chose whom I work with, and > don't care about the others, and don't ever want to h

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Mark Mielke
Fabien COELHO wrote: ISTM that a decentralized or distributed SCM for PostgreSQL would be a bad move, however great it would be at branching and merging. For me it is a philosophy question: if PGSQL is a "common work", then everything should be open and shared, and a centralized systems make

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Heikki Linnakangas
Alvaro Herrera wrote: Gregory Stark escribió: For what it's worth I think GIT is a better fit for our needs. Perhaps it would be, if it worked on Windows ... Not that I care, but I bet Magnus would. There's fairly good tools to convert from one version control system to another. Especially

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Mark Mielke
Mark Mielke wrote: Perhaps he didn't read the instructions. See below for a 5 minutes 34 elapsed time. This includes extracting SVN over the network using SVN. And just to be complete, here is git at 2 minutes 13 seconds. Not that these times matter at all, but in case anybody thinks they do..

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Stefan Kaltenbrunner
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Am Donnerstag, 7. Februar 2008 schrieb Tom Lane: So, again, the question is has anyone really used it? Is it the best thing since sliced bread, or not so much? I think it is about the equivalent of replacing a mailing list by Yahoo Groups. It has more special effects

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Fabien COELHO
Dear Mark, I encourage all to keep their minds open. Good:-) My 0.02 EUR (or even less) on the recurrent SCM flame war on the list. ISTM that a decentralized or distributed SCM for PostgreSQL would be a bad move, however great it would be at branching and merging. For me it is a philosop

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Mark Mielke
Tom Lane wrote: Gregory Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. I've never heard any complaints about building svn from source before for *developers*. I think that's just as easy as anything else. [ shrug... ] The message I quoted was from

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Magnus Hagander
Alvaro Herrera wrote: Gregory Stark escribió: For what it's worth I think GIT is a better fit for our needs. Perhaps it would be, if it worked on Windows ... Not that I care, but I bet Magnus would. To summarize what I care about: I don't really care if I can't *commit* from Windows - I n

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Dave Page
On Feb 7, 2008 9:23 PM, Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At the very least, I suggest you replicate the experiment before > asserting you know more about it than someone who's tried. Will you accept the testimony of someone who has built an SVN *server* entirely from source on Slackware Linu

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Magnus Hagander
Tom Lane wrote: Gregory Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. I've never heard any complaints about building svn from source before for *developers*. I think that's just as easy as anything else. [ shrug... ] The message I quoted was from Bob Frie

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Greg Smith
On Thu, 7 Feb 2008, Tom Lane wrote: Subversion - 4-6 hours (depends on a multitude of packages and will only work with specific versions which you learn about the hard way at build time). I have seen one of these nightmare Subversion installs b

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Gregory Stark escribió: > For what it's worth I think GIT is a better fit for our needs. Perhaps it would be, if it worked on Windows ... Not that I care, but I bet Magnus would. -- Alvaro Herrerahttp://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prom

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Tom Lane
Gregory Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. I've never heard any > complaints about building svn from source before for *developers*. I think > that's just as easy as anything else. [ shrug... ] The message I quoted was from Bob Friesenhahn, who i

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Gregory Stark
"Tom Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mark Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> In terms of picking an SCM candidate, I don't think "time to install >> from source" is a legitimate concern. Installing from source is great, >> but if the package needs to be installed from source, it is not we

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Am Donnerstag, 7. Februar 2008 schrieb Tom Lane: > So, again, the question is has anyone really used it?  Is it the > best thing since sliced bread, or not so much? I think it is about the equivalent of replacing a mailing list by Yahoo Groups. It has more special effects, and no doubt some peop

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Magnus Hagander
Joshua D. Drake wrote: On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:00:33 -0300 Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Joshua D. Drake escribió: I am not arguing any particular solution but home brewing a solution so people can stay on what is definitely a dying SCM is dumb. There are so many tools available to

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Mark Mielke
Tom Lane wrote: Mark Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: In terms of picking an SCM candidate, I don't think "time to install from source" is a legitimate concern. Installing from source is great, but if the package needs to be installed from source, it is not well enough supported by the co

Re: {**Spam**} Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Stefan Kaltenbrunner
Dimitri Fontaine wrote: Le Thursday 07 February 2008 17:19:26 Tom Lane, vous avez écrit : Not having looked into exactly how it works and if it's something we want, but if we want to, any reason we can't just point it at the svn mirror? Synchronization problems scare me. AIUI we're talking ab

Re: {**Spam**} Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Le Thursday 07 February 2008 17:19:26 Tom Lane, vous avez écrit : > > Not having looked into exactly how it works and if it's something we > > want, but if we want to, any reason we can't just point it at the svn > > mirror? > > Synchronization problems scare me. AIUI we're talking about one way s

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Tom Lane
Mark Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In terms of picking an SCM candidate, I don't think "time to install > from source" is a legitimate concern. Installing from source is great, > but if the package needs to be installed from source, it is not well > enough supported by the community to be

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Mark Mielke
Tom Lane wrote: From a relative time to install from source standpoint it looks like this: CVS- 10 minutes (no external dependencies) GIT- 8 minutes (no external dependencies) Mercurial - 1 minute (depends on Python) Subversion - 4-6 hours (depends on a multitude of packag

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Tom Lane
"Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I repeat. I am not arguing a particular solution. I am arguing against > creating more internal infrastructure and the relevant support > requirements when other solutions exist. Who said anything about internal infrastructure? We'd be helping anoth

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Stefan Kaltenbrunner
Joshua D. Drake wrote: On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:00:33 -0300 Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Joshua D. Drake escribió: I am not arguing any particular solution but home brewing a solution so people can stay on what is definitely a dying SCM is dumb. There are so many tools available to

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Aidan Van Dyk
Josh, Try it out. Setup a review-board installation, point it at your SVN mirror. As long as people can "post" diffs (and from the the screenshots, it looks like it has a "diff file" browse button), it doesnt' really matter what "it" uses as it's backend, does it? And if it turns out to be a g

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:00:33 -0300 Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joshua D. Drake escribió: > > > I am not arguing any particular solution but home brewing a > > solution so people can stay on what is definitely a dying SCM is > > dumb. There are so many tools available to us that we

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Joshua D. Drake escribió: > I am not arguing any particular solution but home brewing a solution so > people can stay on what is definitely a dying SCM is dumb. There are > so many tools available to us that we *don't* have to modify, bend, > break or if you like, improve that any argument outside

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:19:26 -0500 Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Magnus Hagander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 06:50:34PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > >> Hmm, the info on that last page might be out of date, but what it > >> says is that the only SCMS they really supp

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Tom Lane
Magnus Hagander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 06:50:34PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: >> Hmm, the info on that last page might be out of date, but what it says is >> that the only SCMS they really support 100% is SVN. The other ones they >> claim support for don't work [well/at a

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Tom Lane
James Mansion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The curre nt *plan* is for a 14 month cycle. And it will probably > slip. Some of the queued items are going to be very old by the time > you go to 8.4 on this program, which seems a shame. What? The plan is to deal with them next month (in the first

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Stefan Kaltenbrunner
Andrew Dunstan wrote: Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote: I could do a demo install on the trackerdemo jail - that one seems to have most of the prequisits and would not need work to get going. Not sure I want to install MySQL there though - so we would have to go with the sqlite backend for the t

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote: I could do a demo install on the trackerdemo jail - that one seems to have most of the prequisits and would not need work to get going. Not sure I want to install MySQL there though - so we would have to go with the sqlite backend for the test ;-) Umm, we ne

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Stefan Kaltenbrunner
Magnus Hagander wrote: On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 06:50:34PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: Dimitri Fontaine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Le Wednesday 06 February 2008 21:35:54 Peter Eisentraut, vous avez �crit�: Yes, I feel we could use a group writeable patch queue of some sort. Perhaps an IMAP server s

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 06:50:34PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > Dimitri Fontaine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Le Wednesday 06 February 2008 21:35:54 Peter Eisentraut, vous avez �crit�: > >> Yes, I feel we could use a group writeable patch queue of some sort. > >> Perhaps an IMAP server setup could

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-07 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Le jeudi 07 février 2008, Tom Lane a écrit : > Hmm, the info on that last page might be out of date, but what it says is > that the only SCMS they really support 100% is SVN. The other ones they > claim support for don't work [well/at all] with the post-review tool. Maybe this is all to naive to

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread James Mansion
Tom Lane wrote: There is, although I think a large fraction of it will get bounced as "needs more work", which should reduce the pressure. We'll just be trying to give feedback to let the patch authors move forward, which will not take as much time as actually committing would take. The current

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: > "Brendan Jurd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Just thinking that we'll need somewhere to park the new patches which > > roll in during a commit fest. > > Bruce has always kept two patch queues, one for the current version and > one for the stuff held for the next version. This

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Mark Mielke
Tom Lane wrote: "Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: O.k. I am not too interested in starting a whole war here (again) but for the record, we have what appears to be a perfectly working capability to move from cvs to svn. So *if* review board is something we really like, the SCM shou

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Tom Lane
"Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > O.k. I am not too interested in starting a whole war here (again) but > for the record, we have what appears to be a perfectly working > capability to move from cvs to svn. So *if* review board is something > we really like, the SCM should not be the

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:50:34 -0500 Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've read some developers appreciating the way review board works: > > http://review-board.org/ > > http://code.google.com/p/reviewboard/ > > http://code.google.com/p/reviewboard/wiki/UserBasics > > Hmm, the info on

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Tom Lane
Dimitri Fontaine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Le Wednesday 06 February 2008 21:35:54 Peter Eisentraut, vous avez écrit : >> Yes, I feel we could use a group writeable patch queue of some sort. >> Perhaps an IMAP server setup could do the job. > I've read some developers appreciating the way revi

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Greg Smith
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Magnus Hagander wrote: Is it technically possible to set permissions on a per-page basis? Technically possible? Of course. It's sure not easy to do, though; the Mediawiki team considers having any real ACL structure added onto their code a non-feature and last time I ch

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Stefan Kaltenbrunner
Tom Lane wrote: Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Josh Berkus escribió: I think we might want to do something along the lines of what Stefan set up (at least I think it was he) for the end of 8.4 on developer.postgresql.org. Bruce's patch list is easy to update, but hard to read. I'

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:07:06 +0100 Magnus Hagander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:46:22 -0500 > > Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Seems like a wiki page with links to pgsql-patches archive entries > >> would be easy. But an issue for

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Le Wednesday 06 February 2008 21:35:54 Peter Eisentraut, vous avez écrit : > Alvaro Herrera wrote: > > Easy to update for Bruce -- for anyone else it is impossible to update > > AFAIK. > > Yes, I feel we could use a group writeable patch queue of some sort. > Perhaps an IMAP server setup could do

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Magnus Hagander
Joshua D. Drake wrote: On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:46:22 -0500 Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Seems like a wiki page with links to pgsql-patches archive entries would be easy. But an issue for any of this is who has permissions to edit the queue? I concur that "Bruce only" is the wrong answe

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:46:22 -0500 Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Seems like a wiki page with links to pgsql-patches archive entries > would be easy. But an issue for any of this is who has permissions > to edit the queue? I concur that "Bruce only" is the wrong answer, > but I'm not sur

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Tom Lane
Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Josh Berkus escribió: >>> I think we might want to do something along the lines of what Stefan set >>> up (at least I think it was he) for the end of 8.4 on >>> developer.postgresql.org. Bruce's patch list is easy to update, but hard >>> to read. I'l

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Guillaume Smet
On Feb 6, 2008 9:56 AM, Dave Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Whenever a commit fest is in progress, the > focus will shift from development to review, feedback and commit of > patches. Each fest will continue until all patches in the queue have > either been committed to the CVS repository, retur

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Josh Berkus escribió: > > I think we might want to do something along the lines of what Stefan set > > up (at least I think it was he) for the end of 8.4 on > > developer.postgresql.org. Bruce's patch list is easy to update, but hard > > to read. I'll put some effort into i

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Josh Berkus escribió: > I think we might want to do something along the lines of what Stefan set up > (at least I think it was he) for the end of 8.4 on developer.postgresql.org. > Bruce's patch list is easy to update, but hard to read. I'll put some effort > into it. Easy to update for Bruc

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Gevik Babakhani
The plan looks great. I am +1 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ---(end of > broadcast)--- > TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? > >http://archives.postgresql.org > ---(e

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Josh Berkus
On Wednesday 06 February 2008 09:09, Tom Lane wrote: > "Brendan Jurd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Just thinking that we'll need somewhere to park the new patches which > > roll in during a commit fest. > > Bruce has always kept two patch queues, one for the current version and > one for the stu

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Tom Lane
Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Tom Lane wrote: >> we added a March fest in part to have a "practice run" without too much >> stuff being on the plate. > OK, that makes some sense, although I don't know about the "not much > stuff on the plate". We presumably have quite a lot of stuf

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Tom Lane wrote: Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I would rather set a target and modify it if necessary based on experience than have none at all. We felt that we'd like to get a couple of fests under our belts before trying to nail down very many rules. The process will g

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Tom Lane
"Brendan Jurd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Just thinking that we'll need somewhere to park the new patches which > roll in during a commit fest. Bruce has always kept two patch queues, one for the current version and one for the stuff held for the next version. This won't change anything except

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Tom Lane
Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I would rather set a target and modify it if necessary based on > experience than have none at all. We felt that we'd like to get a couple of fests under our belts before trying to nail down very many rules. The process will get more formalized later,

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Dave Page wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 4:24 PM, Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would rather set a target and modify it if necessary based on experience than have none at all. The danger of not doing so is that we'll be in almost constant 'commit fest' mode. Yes, that is somet

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Dave Page
On Feb 6, 2008 4:24 PM, Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I would rather set a target and modify it if necessary based on > experience than have none at all. > > The danger of not doing so is that we'll be in almost constant 'commit > fest' mode. Yes, that is something we discussed

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Dave Page wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 3:57 PM, Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would like to see this tied down some more. The time for the commit fests is too open ended. I think we should say something like "All commit fests will run no more than two weeks, except for the final comm

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Brendan Jurd
This all sounds very promising. On Feb 6, 2008 7:56 PM, Dave Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Each fest will continue until all patches in the queue have > either been committed to the CVS repository, returned to the author > for additional work, or rejected outright, and until that has > happene

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Dave Page
On Feb 6, 2008 3:57 PM, Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would like to see this tied down some more. The time for the commit > fests is too open ended. I think we should say something like "All > commit fests will run no more than two weeks, except for the final > commit fest which c

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Am Mittwoch, 6. Februar 2008 schrieb Andrew Dunstan: > I would like to see this tied down some more. The time for the commit > fests is too open ended. I think we should say something like "All > commit fests will run no more than two weeks, except for the final > commit fest which can run for one

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Dave Page wrote: Hackers, As you know we've finally released PostgreSQL 8.3, after a development cycle that lasted well over a year despite our original plans for a 6 month cycle. The core team are aware that there are a number of factors that contributed to this slippage: - Lack of prompt an

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Dave Page
On Feb 6, 2008 2:44 PM, Magnus Hagander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good start. /me thinks it should be on the website. We've usually announced > our feature freeze dates there... (in less details, sure, but something > there) Feel free - you've been hacking that recently! /D

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 02:42:35PM +, Dave Page wrote: > On Feb 6, 2008 1:49 PM, Magnus Hagander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 08:56:51AM +, Dave Page wrote: > > > Hackers, > > > > Looks great and well-thought through. Let's hope it works out! > > > > I assume you'l

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Dave Page
On Feb 6, 2008 1:49 PM, Magnus Hagander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 08:56:51AM +, Dave Page wrote: > > Hackers, > > Looks great and well-thought through. Let's hope it works out! > > I assume you'll be committing this info to the developer section on the > website? It'

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 08:56:51AM +, Dave Page wrote: > Hackers, Looks great and well-thought through. Let's hope it works out! I assume you'll be committing this info to the developer section on the website? //Magnus ---(end of broadcast)---

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 8.4 development plan

2008-02-06 Thread Simon Riggs
On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 08:56 +, Dave Page wrote: > Hackers, +1 Very much in favour. -- Simon Riggs 2ndQuadrant http://www.2ndQuadrant.com ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archi