Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Keep in mind it took years to get OpenSSL support up to the level we
> have it now. It took SSL experts coming in and out of our development
> process to get it 100% feature-complete.
Actually, it's *not* feature-complete even yet.
What basically bothe
Chris Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> How you get the work to spread consistently across 6 hours is a
> challenge; personally, my preference would generally be to try to get
> the work done ASAP, so the goal seems a tad off to me...
I think the context for this is that you have an agreed-on m
On 12/29/06, Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No code yet, and I don't remember who said they were working on it.
I'm still waiting to hear from Mark Cave-Ayland on whether he's going
to pick it up or whether I'll just do it. One way or another, there
should be some movement regarding
On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 11:43:27AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Tom Lane wrote:
> >> You could make a case that we need *three* numbers: a permanent column
> >> ID, a display position, and a storage position.
>
> > Could this not be handled by some catalo
Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Robert Treat wrote:
>> > 5) GNUTLS does not run well under all of our supported platforms.
>> >
>>
>> given options like --enable-dtrace and --with-libedit-preferred, I don't
>> find
>> this argument compelling...
>
> Keep in mind it took years to get OpenSSL support up to th
Robert Treat wrote:
> On Friday 29 December 2006 14:49, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > > entirely.
> > >
> > > 4) GNUTLS development seems more active? OpenSSL has been in a
> > > frozen/mature state for a while. I don't understand why OpenSSL is still
> > > labelled as 0.9.x, which might indicate alph
On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 09:02:11PM -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Tom Lane wrote:
> > "Jim C. Nasby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > I believe there's something similar for OS X as well. The question is:
> > > would it be better to do that, or to just delay calling fsync until the
> > > OS has had
On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 20:59 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> > Tom Lane wrote:
> > > Richard Troy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > ... it occurs to me that perhaps Josh can implement
> > > > a command line switch to turn on command line numbering.
> > >
> > > That would sol
Tom Lane wrote:
> "Jim C. Nasby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I believe there's something similar for OS X as well. The question is:
> > would it be better to do that, or to just delay calling fsync until the
> > OS has had a chance to write things out.
>
> A delay is not going to help unless y
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Tom Lane wrote:
> > Richard Troy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > ... it occurs to me that perhaps Josh can implement
> > > a command line switch to turn on command line numbering.
> >
> > That would solve the problem I have with changing \s. I think a psql
> > \set varia
* Joshua D. Drake ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > I do not like --with-krb5 because it has extremely limited real world
> > > use.
> >
> > Riiigghhhttt... Only every Windows setup which uses Active Directory,
> > most major universities, and certain large corporations (uh, AOL?) would
> > even t
>
> I don't understand why this has devolved into an argument about what
> people do and don't like. It's like specifically choosing a forum
> that will have the most disagreement.
Yep :), I saw we go over to debian-general and ask why they are trying
to make all these projects use GNU/TLS
On Dec 29, 2006, at 7:09 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 18:56 -0500, Stephen Frost wrote:
* Joshua D. Drake ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 17:57 -0500, Robert Treat wrote:
On Friday 29 December 2006 14:49, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
given options like --enable
> > I do not like --with-krb5 because it has extremely limited real world
> > use.
>
> Riiigghhhttt... Only every Windows setup which uses Active Directory,
> most major universities, and certain large corporations (uh, AOL?) would
> even think to use something like Kerberos!
I said "Extremely
* Joshua D. Drake ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I do not like --enable-dtrace because it is a Solaris only thing and a
> waste of maintability resources (although small).
While the analysis can only be done on Solaris I feel that improvments
from the analysis may be useful on other platforms. For
On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 18:56 -0500, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Joshua D. Drake ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 17:57 -0500, Robert Treat wrote:
> > > On Friday 29 December 2006 14:49, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > > given options like --enable-dtrace and --with-libedit-preferred, I d
* Joshua D. Drake ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 17:57 -0500, Robert Treat wrote:
> > On Friday 29 December 2006 14:49, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > given options like --enable-dtrace and --with-libedit-preferred, I don't
> > find
> > this argument compelling...
>
> I don't lik
Tom Lane wrote:
> Richard Troy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > ... it occurs to me that perhaps Josh can implement
> > a command line switch to turn on command line numbering.
>
> That would solve the problem I have with changing \s. I think a psql
> \set variable (comparable to ON_ERROR_STOP and
On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 17:53 -0500, Bill Moran wrote:
> So I've got this patch (attached, against 8.2)
>
> The goal is to track temp file usage as an aid to server tuning (such as
> work_mem)
>
> Most of the patch seems to work just dandy, except I'm getting weird
> sizes reported:
>
> 2006-12-29
On 12/29/06, Chris Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Jaime Casanova") writes:
> On 12/28/06, Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Galy Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > So I am thinking another way to perform vacuum. For example vacuum can
>> > be refined in a maintenance
On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 17:57 -0500, Robert Treat wrote:
> On Friday 29 December 2006 14:49, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > > entirely.
> > >
> > > 4) GNUTLS development seems more active? OpenSSL has been in a
> > > frozen/mature state for a while. I don't understand why OpenSSL is still
> > > labelled
On Friday 29 December 2006 14:49, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > entirely.
> >
> > 4) GNUTLS development seems more active? OpenSSL has been in a
> > frozen/mature state for a while. I don't understand why OpenSSL is still
> > labelled as 0.9.x, which might indicate alpha quality, under heavy
> > devel
So I've got this patch (attached, against 8.2)
The goal is to track temp file usage as an aid to server tuning (such as
work_mem)
Most of the patch seems to work just dandy, except I'm getting weird
sizes reported:
2006-12-29 17:46:21 EST [45558]: [575-1] LOG: temp file: size 140737488343776
On Sat, 2006-12-30 at 09:22 +1100, Russell Smith wrote:
> Simon Riggs wrote:
> > FSM code ignores any block with less space than 1 average tuple, which
> > is a pretty reasonable rule.
> >
> FSM serves a different purpose than DSM and therefore has an entirely
> different set of rules governing
Simon Riggs wrote:
On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 10:49 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
"Simon Riggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I would suggest that we tracked whether a block has had 0, 1 or 1+
updates/deletes against it. When a block has 1+ it can then be
worthwhile to VACUUM it and to place it onto
On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 16:41 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> "Simon Riggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 10:49 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> >> Counterexample: table in which all tuples exceed half a page.
>
> > Current FSM code will ignore those too, if they are less than the
> > avera
Benny Amorsen wrote:
> > "JCN" == Jim C Nasby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> JCN> Truth is, I bet many (if not most) DBAs barely know that case
> JCN> matters in the units.
>
> Sounds like the school system needs fixing, then.
Sure, but it probably shows a lot more prominently in other area
"Jim C. Nasby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I believe there's something similar for OS X as well. The question is:
> would it be better to do that, or to just delay calling fsync until the
> OS has had a chance to write things out.
A delay is not going to help unless you can suppress additional w
"Simon Riggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 10:49 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
>> Counterexample: table in which all tuples exceed half a page.
> Current FSM code will ignore those too, if they are less than the
> average size of the tuple so far requested. Thats a pretty wierd
> c
Knut P. Lehre wrote:
> Installing postgresql 8.2.0 on Windows XP Pro SP2 using the msi
> installer dated 2006-12-04, with libeay32.dll and ssleay32.dll (both
> dated 2005-07-06) (and libiconv-2.dll, libintl-2.dll, and libpq.dll)
> from a previous installation (of version 8.0.5) already present in
>
On Thu, Dec 28, 2006 at 09:28:48PM +, Heikki Linnakangas wrote:
> Tom Lane wrote:
> >To my mind the problem with fsync is not that it gives us too little
> >control but that it gives too much: we have to specify a particular
> >order of writing out files. What we'd really like is a version of
* Joshua D. Drake ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > 4) GNUTLS development seems more active? OpenSSL has been in a frozen/mature
> >state for a while. I don't understand why OpenSSL is still labelled as
> >0.9.x, which might indicate alpha quality, under heavy development.
> >
> > I don't fin
On 12/29/2006 11:27 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
Doesn't even compile here (no ).
Where do you compile?
Roman
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> entirely.
>
> 4) GNUTLS development seems more active? OpenSSL has been in a frozen/mature
>state for a while. I don't understand why OpenSSL is still labelled as
>0.9.x, which might indicate alpha quality, under heavy development.
>
> I don't find the reasons too compelling - but they
On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 10:32:34AM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> Currently there has not been one technical argument that is valid to
> have us include GNU TLS.
1) The normal freedom that not being tied down to a single product
provides. The same reason somebody might build MySQL + PostgreSQL
* Joshua D. Drake ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Actually everything about Debian (the project) is a political agenda.
> That doesn't mean that it is invalid though.
*smirk
> That being said, this topic is WAY OFF-TOPIC for the discussion. The
> discussion is:
>
> Will we accept GNU TLS.
>
> Cur
On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 10:49 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> "Simon Riggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I would suggest that we tracked whether a block has had 0, 1 or 1+
> > updates/deletes against it. When a block has 1+ it can then be
> > worthwhile to VACUUM it and to place it onto the FSM. Two dead
* August Zajonc ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On 12/29/06, Stephen Frost wrote:
> > In the case above, exim4 *can* provide an exception because it's the
> > *GPL* of *exim4* which is being violated by the advertising clause in
> > the *OpenSSL* license. Which exim4 upstream has *done*, and which ca
> > Caution to the point of fantasy is a waste of resources. Caution to
> > further a political agenda (not you - but the people whose opinions you
> > are repeating) is exploitation.
>
> I don't believe Debian has any kind of political agenda in this regard.
> Debian's agenda is to follow the li
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > Now Exim has granted an exception that gets Debian off the hook, but
> > > they didn't have to do that.
> > Right. If they didn't then it's conceivable that Exim could sue Debian
> > for violating the GPL license. Not exactly likely to happen b
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Jaime Casanova") writes:
> On 12/28/06, Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Galy Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > So I am thinking another way to perform vacuum. For example vacuum can
>> > be refined in a maintenance time frame like "VACUUM IN 6 HOURS", and
>> > then vac
Tom Lane wrote:
> Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I'm actually wondering if unlimiting core might not be a useful switch
>> to provide on pg_ctl, as long as the platform has setrlimit().
>
> Not a bad thought; that's actually one of the reasons that I still
> usually use a handmade
Roman Kononov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Think about this idea please. This has no INF, NaN or range
> checks and detects all "bad" cases with any floating point
> math.
Doesn't even compile here (no ).
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Teodor Sigaev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Just a freshing for clean applying..
> http://www.sigaev.ru/misc/user_defined_typmod-0.11.gz
> Is any objections to commit?
There's still a lot I don't particularly care for here (lack of
documentation being the biggest), but I'll make a pass at cleaning
On 12/29/2006 12:23 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Well, then show me what direction you think is better.
Think about this idea please. This has no INF, NaN or range
checks and detects all "bad" cases with any floating point
math.
The only issue is that a bad case is detected only once.
You need to
On 12/29/06, Stephen Frost wrote:
> In the case above, exim4 *can* provide an exception because it's the
> *GPL* of *exim4* which is being violated by the advertising clause in
> the *OpenSSL* license. Which exim4 upstream has *done*, and which can
> be seen in their license (linked to previously
The WITH that I am thinking about, lets you define and reuse queries which are executed once. For example:
WITH
MySummary AS (*SELECT b.dept_name, Sum(Salary) AS total_sal FROM emp a join dept b on (a.dept_id = b.dept_id)
GROUP BY b.dept_name*)
SELECT dept_name, total_sal //FROM MySumm
> > Now Exim has granted an exception that gets Debian off the hook, but
> > they didn't have to do that.
> Right. If they didn't then it's conceivable that Exim could sue Debian
> for violating the GPL license. Not exactly likely to happen but being
> cautious it's best to get their explicit app
Brian Hurt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Note that taking a signal on an FP exception is a horribly expensive
> proposition- we're talking about hundreds or thousands of clock cycles
> here. But it's probably worthwhile vr.s the cost of testing every
> floating point result, as generally FP exc
Magnus Hagander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Attached patch adds support for the recent XML-in-backend stuff to the
> MSVC build. Most config stuff was already present for contrib/xml2, but
> needed to add the includes and defines to the backend build as well.
Applied, thanks.
* Tom Lane ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Martijn van Oosterhout writes:
> > On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 12:08:37AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> >> libjpeg, my other major open-source project, has always been shipped
> >> under a BSD-ish license that includes an "advertising" clause; I quote:
> >>
> >> : (2
On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 04:58:22PM +0100, Zeugswetter Andreas ADI SD wrote:
>
> > > > > MinGW has fseeko64 and ftello64 with off64_t.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Maybe we need separate macros for MSVC and MinGW. Given the other
> > >
> > > You mean something quick and dirty like this ? That wo
Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What's the purpose of postgresql.conf.sample.orig?
There is no such file in CVS ... perhaps it's left over from a patch run?
regards, tom lane
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In response to Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Bill Moran wrote:
> > I see the above-mentioned files in src/backend/utils/misc. A diff shows
> > the following:
> >
> > $ diff postgresql.conf.sample.orig postgresql.conf.sample
> > 223a224
> >
> >> log_destination = 'syslog'
> >>
> >
Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm actually wondering if unlimiting core might not be a useful switch
> to provide on pg_ctl, as long as the platform has setrlimit().
Not a bad thought; that's actually one of the reasons that I still
usually use a handmade script rather than pg_ctl
Bill Moran wrote:
I see the above-mentioned files in src/backend/utils/misc. A diff shows
the following:
$ diff postgresql.conf.sample.orig postgresql.conf.sample
223a224
log_destination = 'syslog'
302a304
silent_mode = on
363a366,367
autovacuum = on
What's the pu
I see the above-mentioned files in src/backend/utils/misc. A diff shows
the following:
$ diff postgresql.conf.sample.orig postgresql.conf.sample
223a224
> log_destination = 'syslog'
302a304
> silent_mode = on
363a366,367
>
> autovacuum = on
What's the purpose of postgresql.conf.sample.orig?
I
Tom Lane wrote:
Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Andrew Dunstan wrote:
here's a quick untested patch for buildfarm that Stefan might like to try.
Note that not all core files are named "core". On some Linux distros,
it's configured to be "core.PID" by default.
Martijn van Oosterhout writes:
> On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 12:08:37AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
>> libjpeg, my other major open-source project, has always been shipped
>> under a BSD-ish license that includes an "advertising" clause; I quote:
>>
>> : (2) If only executable code is distributed, then the
Tom Lane wrote:
Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
OK, are you saying that there is a signal we are ignoring for
overflow/underflow, or that we should just silently overflow/underflow
and not throw an error?
Silent underflow is fine with me; it's the norm in most all float
implementatio
* Martijn van Oosterhout (kleptog@svana.org) wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 09:52:08AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > We're not talking about including GPL code in OpenSSL, though. This is
> > about OpenSSL as the base library. The GPL cannot stipulate that a GPL
> > program may only be link
"Simon Riggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I would suggest that we tracked whether a block has had 0, 1 or 1+
> updates/deletes against it. When a block has 1+ it can then be
> worthwhile to VACUUM it and to place it onto the FSM. Two dead tuples is
> really the minimum space worth reclaiming on a
Bruce Momjian wrote:
Tom Lane wrote:
Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Tom Lane wrote:
This is *not* going in the right direction :-(
Well, then show me what direction you think is better.
Fewer restrictions, not more. The thrust of what I've been say
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> GPL software derived from PostgreSQL must honour the restrictions defined
> by the PostgreSQL (BSD) license.
>
> GPL software derived from OpenSSL must honour the restrictions defined
> by the OpenSSL license.
You're talking about GPL software as i
Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> OK, are you saying that there is a signal we are ignoring for
> overflow/underflow, or that we should just silently overflow/underflow
> and not throw an error?
Silent underflow is fine with me; it's the norm in most all float
implementations and won't s
David Fetter wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2006 at 10:52:45PM -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > Edwin Ramirez wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > What is the status of supporting the "WITH" keyword?
> >
> > I see these TODO items:
> >
> > * Add SQL99 WITH clause to SELECT
> > * Add SQL:2003 WITH RE
Tom Lane wrote:
> Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Tom Lane wrote:
> >> This is *not* going in the right direction :-(
>
> > Well, then show me what direction you think is better.
>
> Fewer restrictions, not more. The thrust of what I've been saying
> (and I think Roman too) is to t
On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 09:52:08AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I think the issue revolves around the conditions that GPL stipulates
> > about "linking against" libraries requiring the entire product to be
> > *distributed* as GPL, even if components have differing licenses. This
> > is t
On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 08:31:34PM +1300, Mark Kirkwood wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >I will try again. It is a difficult subject for many.
> >GPL software derived from PostgreSQL must honour the restrictions defined
> >by the PostgreSQL (BSD) license.
> >GPL software derived from OpenSSL mu
On Thu, 2006-12-28 at 21:35 +, Heikki Linnakangas wrote:
> I only used 1 bit, just like in Itagaki's approach.
1 bit may not be enough.
In many cases, a block will receive only 1 UPDATE or DELETE. If we then
mark this in the DSM, when we VACUUM that block it will not have
sufficient space f
* Martijn van Oosterhout (kleptog@svana.org) wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 12:08:37AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> > libjpeg, my other major open-source project, has always been shipped
> > under a BSD-ish license that includes an "advertising" clause; I quote:
> >
> > : (2) If only executable code
On Thu, Dec 28, 2006 at 10:52:45PM -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Edwin Ramirez wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > What is the status of supporting the "WITH" keyword?
>
> I see these TODO items:
>
> * Add SQL99 WITH clause to SELECT
> * Add SQL:2003 WITH RECURSIVE (hierarchical) queries to SE
This is not responding to my concern. What you presented was an
> Sorry, I see your point now.
Is that test enough? Or I should make more?
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Just a freshing for clean applying..
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Is any objections to commit?
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WWW: http://www.sigaev.ru/
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On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 12:08:37AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> Stephen, let me explain *exactly* why I think this is horsepucky.
>
> libjpeg, my other major open-source project, has always been shipped
> under a BSD-ish license that includes an "advertising" clause; I quote:
>
> : (2) If only execut
> "JCN" == Jim C Nasby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
JCN> Truth is, I bet many (if not most) DBAs barely know that case
JCN> matters in the units.
Sounds like the school system needs fixing, then.
/Benny
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Hello,
I can see : WITH RECURSIVE hierarchical queries (Jonah H. Harris) in :
http://developer.postgresql.org/index.php/Todo:WishlistFor83
GREAT!!!
Such feature is very important, because it is supported in most of
commercial database
SQL Server 2003 support WITH RECURSIVE
DB2 support it too (
On 12/29/06, Stephen Frost wrote:
So, Debian is distributing an application (exim4 w/ libpq & libssl)
which includes GPL code (exim4) combined with code under another license
(BSD w/ advertising clause) which *adds additional restrictions* (the
advertising clause) over those in the GPL, which is
Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Tom Lane wrote:
>> This is *not* going in the right direction :-(
> Well, then show me what direction you think is better.
Fewer restrictions, not more. The thrust of what I've been saying
(and I think Roman too) is to trust in the hardware float-arith
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