Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-15 Thread Josh Berkus
All, Several of us hashed this out at the Code Sprint. While the solution we arrived at doesn't completely satisfy Greg, several others would be fine with just having a version of pgsql-patches (pgsql-patches-lite?) that we could subscribe to to get the messages without the attachments.

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-14 Thread Hannu Krosing
Ühel kenal päeval, K, 2006-07-12 kell 23:04, kirjutas Marc G. Fournier: On Wed, 12 Jul 2006, Magnus Hagander wrote: There are list servers out there capable of simply ripping any attachments to a message (possibly over a certain size) and stick it on a website, replacing it with a link

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-14 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Hannu Krosing wrote: Ühel kenal päeval, K, 2006-07-12 kell 23:04, kirjutas Marc G. Fournier: On Wed, 12 Jul 2006, Magnus Hagander wrote: There are list servers out there capable of simply ripping any attachments to a message (possibly over a certain size) and stick it on

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-12 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006, Magnus Hagander wrote: There are list servers out there capable of simply ripping any attachments to a message (possibly over a certain size) and stick it on a website, replacing it with a link in the email. Is majordomo one of them? Majordomo2 has a 'hook' for it, but,

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-11 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Marc G. Fournier wrote: If this is chosen as the preferred path, we could get the list bot to add Reply-To: pghackers in pgsql-patches postings to help push discussions there. I'd vote for doing the same in pgsql-committers, which also gets its share of non-null discussion content. that is a

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
Andrew Dunstan wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: If this is chosen as the preferred path, we could get the list bot to add Reply-To: pghackers in pgsql-patches postings to help push discussions there. I'd vote for doing the same in pgsql-committers, which also gets its share of non-null

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
Andrew Dunstan wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Don't be surprised if there are objections - this is one of those things like emacs vs vi that stirs up religious debate. If we change Reply-To:, does it prevent replies to the original author? If so, that seems like a problem,

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-11 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Bruce Momjian wrote: Don't be surprised if there are objections - this is one of those things like emacs vs vi that stirs up religious debate. If we change Reply-To:, does it prevent replies to the original author? If so, that seems like a problem, particularly if they are not

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-11 Thread Greg Stark
Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marc G. Fournier wrote: If nobody objects within, say, the next 24 hours ... ? I'll enabled that one both ... Don't be surprised if there are objections - this is one of those things like emacs vs vi that stirs up religious debate. Indeed.

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-11 Thread Stephen Frost
* Greg Stark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I have the additional complaint that this doesn't actually solve most of my original complaints and might reduce the pressure to find a better solution. The patches announcements themselves would still be basically invisible within the community. I'm

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-11 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 NotDashEscaped: You need GnuPG to verify this message One thing that came up in the discussion here was the idea of a weekly (or other time period) digest of patches posts, stripped of attachments, but with a link to the patches email, which will

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-11 Thread Greg Stark
Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's add the author and the hackers list to the reply-to. I think reply-to is just a single address. It may work in some mailers though. Regardless the issue is that someone may send a personal message and be surprised when it's broadcast. You can

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-11 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Bruce Momjian wrote: Andrew Dunstan wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: If this is chosen as the preferred path, we could get the list bot to add Reply-To: pghackers in pgsql-patches postings to help push discussions there. I'd vote for doing the same in pgsql-committers,

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-11 Thread David Fetter
On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 06:28:31PM -, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 NotDashEscaped: You need GnuPG to verify this message One thing that came up in the discussion here was the idea of a weekly (or other time period) digest of patches posts,

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-11 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Greg Stark wrote: I have the additional complaint that this doesn't actually solve most of my original complaints and might reduce the pressure to find a better solution. The patches announcements themselves would still be basically invisible within the community. How

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-10 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 01:04:09AM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: I, for one, would be interested in something like that ... somehow, this 'stripping' would have to be done within Majordomo2 itself, or ... Leave pgsql-patches@ as an alias that is the stripper, with the end result forwarded

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-10 Thread Josh Berkus
Martjin, Greg, Marc, etc.: However, I think the other suggestions of having the listbot mangle the reply-tos of -patches and -committers to be -hackers would probably be good too. I myself subscribe to -committers in digest form (where I look at the summary to see if it's interesting) and read

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-10 Thread Josh Berkus
Marc, You've lost me on that last point ... how does that save on spam filtering? Many spam filters give points for reply-to address does not match from address. --Josh ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-10 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Josh Berkus wrote: Martjin, Greg, Marc, etc.: However, I think the other suggestions of having the listbot mangle the reply-tos of -patches and -committers to be -hackers would probably be good too. I myself subscribe to -committers in digest form (where I look at the

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-10 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Tom Lane wrote: Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sunday 09 July 2006 20:00, Greg Stark wrote: BIRT pgsql-patches should be abolished in favour of something else that accomplishes the bandwidth-reduction aspect without the downsides. Alternatively, people

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Josh Berkus wrote: Martjin, Greg, Marc, etc.: However, I think the other suggestions of having the listbot mangle the reply-tos of -patches and -committers to be -hackers would probably be good too. I myself subscribe to -committers in

[HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-09 Thread Greg Stark
Pursuant to a conversation this evening I would like to a suggestion: BIRT pgsql-patches should be abolished in favour of something else that accomplishes the bandwidth-reduction aspect without the downsides. My complaint is that -patches serves to a) siphon off some of the most technical

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-09 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sunday 09 July 2006 20:00, Greg Stark wrote: Pursuant to a conversation this evening I would like to a suggestion: BIRT pgsql-patches should be abolished in favour of something else that accomplishes the bandwidth-reduction aspect without the downsides. Alternatively, people could just

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-09 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 9 Jul 2006, Greg Stark wrote: Pursuant to a conversation this evening I would like to a suggestion: BIRT pgsql-patches should be abolished in favour of something else that accomplishes the bandwidth-reduction aspect without the downsides. My complaint is that -patches serves to a)

Re: [HACKERS] pgsql-patches considered harmful

2006-07-09 Thread Tom Lane
Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sunday 09 July 2006 20:00, Greg Stark wrote: BIRT pgsql-patches should be abolished in favour of something else that accomplishes the bandwidth-reduction aspect without the downsides. Alternatively, people could just use patches for patch