Re: Anyone still care about Cygwin? (was Re: [HACKERS] [CORE] GPL
Dave, all, > Ahh, you miss the point though - they vanish back into the woodwork when > they realise that they can't brag that they host the entire project. > It's not that they want to help, they just want maximum publicity off > our name for as little hardware as possible. I seem to have missed a cycle. Who are we talking about? -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: Anyone still care about Cygwin? (was Re: [HACKERS] [CORE] GPL
> -Original Message- > From: Devrim GUNDUZ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 26 June 2006 15:03 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Robert Treat; pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Andrew > Dunstan; Tom Lane > Subject: Re: Anyone still care about Cygwin? (was Re: > [HACKERS] [CORE] GPL > > > Ok, I talked with them now. They need the following information: > > - What type of hardware do we need? Is an Opteron enough? > Memory? Disk? Depends what it was used for. > - Do we need a private box, or is a VM enough? As above. > - What is the average traffic of our web servers? Dunno, but not a huge figure - the network is heavily specc'ed towards high availability and coping with a good /.ing. Individual servers tend to be very lightly loaded. > Bandwith is not cheap in Turkey, so they are inclined to put > that server > somewhere outside Turkey. > > They are ready to proceed, they just want to learn the details. Well I think Robert is suggesting we setup a box with a bunch of VM's running different OS's as buildfarm clients. I don't know how useful that would be, but at the least, with VMWare (or Bochs if it's mature enough now) and a Windows licence it could run nightly builds of Mingw and Cygwin, and with just VMWare it could do Solaris x86, and an assortment of Linuxes and *BSDs. Regards, Dave. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
Re: Anyone still care about Cygwin? (was Re: [HACKERS] [CORE] GPL
> -Original Message- > From: Robert Treat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 26 June 2006 16:08 > To: Dave Page > Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Andrew Dunstan; Tom Lane; > Devrim GUNDUZ > Subject: Re: Anyone still care about Cygwin? (was Re: > [HACKERS] [CORE] GPL > > Right, but I am thinking that maybe we should ask these guys > if they can offer > boxes for the buildfarm, which could run from a celeron box. Ahh, you miss the point though - they vanish back into the woodwork when they realise that they can't brag that they host the entire project. It's not that they want to help, they just want maximum publicity off our name for as little hardware as possible. I should mention at this point that not all companies are like this, and we do have some very generous contributors to whom we are very grateful. Regards, Dave. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: Anyone still care about Cygwin? (was Re: [HACKERS] [CORE] GPL
On Monday 26 June 2006 03:28, Dave Page wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Treat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 24 June 2006 20:50
> > To: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
> > Cc: Andrew Dunstan; Tom Lane; Dave Page
> > Subject: Re: Anyone still care about Cygwin? (was Re:
> > [HACKERS] [CORE] GPL
> >
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > wasn't someone just trying to donate a machine to us for the
> > website but we
> > weren't sure what to do with it? One that could do VM's?
> > Seems we could use
> > that for some buildfarm members maybe.
>
> As with most of these, the two I was discussing recently fell through
> (usual problem, company making the offer seems to think we run the
> entire project off one ancient server, and therefore think that the
> celeron box they offer will entitle them to be listed as hosts of the
> entire project).
>
Right, but I am thinking that maybe we should ask these guys if they can offer
boxes for the buildfarm, which could run from a celeron box.
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Robert Treat
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Re: Anyone still care about Cygwin? (was Re: [HACKERS] [CORE] GPL
Hi, On Mon, 2006-06-26 at 08:28 +0100, Dave Page wrote: > > Devrim was working with another potential contributor though, dunno > how that's going. Ok, I talked with them now. They need the following information: - What type of hardware do we need? Is an Opteron enough? Memory? Disk? - Do we need a private box, or is a VM enough? - What is the average traffic of our web servers? Bandwith is not cheap in Turkey, so they are inclined to put that server somewhere outside Turkey. They are ready to proceed, they just want to learn the details. Regards, -- The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.503.667.4564 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
Re: Anyone still care about Cygwin? (was Re: [HACKERS] [CORE] GPL
> -Original Message- > From: Robert Treat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 June 2006 20:50 > To: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org > Cc: Andrew Dunstan; Tom Lane; Dave Page > Subject: Re: Anyone still care about Cygwin? (was Re: > [HACKERS] [CORE] GPL > > > Dave, > > wasn't someone just trying to donate a machine to us for the > website but we > weren't sure what to do with it? One that could do VM's? > Seems we could use > that for some buildfarm members maybe. As with most of these, the two I was discussing recently fell through (usual problem, company making the offer seems to think we run the entire project off one ancient server, and therefore think that the celeron box they offer will entitle them to be listed as hosts of the entire project). Devrim was working with another potential contributor though, dunno how that's going. Regards, Dave ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: Anyone still care about Cygwin? (was Re: [HACKERS] [CORE] GPL
On Friday 23 June 2006 14:30, Andrew Dunstan wrote:
> Tom Lane wrote:
> > Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> There are several supported platforms not represented on the buildfarm -
> >> e.g. the one HPUX member has never actually reported any results.
> >
> > Yeah, and this is not a good thing. Eventually I'd like to get to a
> > point where every platform we consider "supported" has regular buildfarm
> > reports. No more calls for port reports during beta periods --- beta
> > work should focus on functionality testing, not getting it to build.
>
> Then people who have access to people who own or can provide access to
> machines in classes not covered need to do a bit of begging ;-)
>
> The requirements are (deliberately) very modest:
>
> OS and toolset required to build postgres from CVS
> A modern perl installation (>=5.6 is adequate)
> Anonymous read access to a CVS repository - either the one at
> postgresql.org or a replica
> Outbound HTTP port 80 access to www.pgbuildfarm.org, possibly via a proxy.
>
> Once it is set up it is close to hands free - you just set up the cron
> job(s) or equivalent.
>
Dave,
wasn't someone just trying to donate a machine to us for the website but we
weren't sure what to do with it? One that could do VM's? Seems we could use
that for some buildfarm members maybe.
--
Robert Treat
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Re: Anyone still care about Cygwin? (was Re: [HACKERS] [CORE] GPL
On 23/06/06, Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tom Lane wrote: > Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> There are several supported platforms not represented on the buildfarm - >> e.g. the one HPUX member has never actually reported any results. > > Yeah, and this is not a good thing. Eventually I'd like to get to a > point where every platform we consider "supported" has regular buildfarm > reports. No more calls for port reports during beta periods --- beta > work should focus on functionality testing, not getting it to build. > Then people who have access to people who own or can provide access to machines in classes not covered need to do a bit of begging ;-) The requirements are (deliberately) very modest: Once it is set up it is close to hands free - you just set up the cron job(s) or equivalent. Hello, I'll try to set up a buildfarm installation for Cygwin on my computer at work. But I'm taking the next week off, so this will have to wait until my return. Cheers, Adrian Maier ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
Re: Anyone still care about Cygwin? (was Re: [HACKERS] [CORE] GPL
Tom Lane wrote: Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: There are several supported platforms not represented on the buildfarm - e.g. the one HPUX member has never actually reported any results. Yeah, and this is not a good thing. Eventually I'd like to get to a point where every platform we consider "supported" has regular buildfarm reports. No more calls for port reports during beta periods --- beta work should focus on functionality testing, not getting it to build. Then people who have access to people who own or can provide access to machines in classes not covered need to do a bit of begging ;-) The requirements are (deliberately) very modest: OS and toolset required to build postgres from CVS A modern perl installation (>=5.6 is adequate) Anonymous read access to a CVS repository - either the one at postgresql.org or a replica Outbound HTTP port 80 access to www.pgbuildfarm.org, possibly via a proxy. Once it is set up it is close to hands free - you just set up the cron job(s) or equivalent. cheers andrew ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
Re: Anyone still care about Cygwin? (was Re: [HACKERS] [CORE] GPL Source and Copyright Questions)
Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Anyway, the lack of daily Cygwin builds is not permanent. > There are several supported platforms not represented on the buildfarm - > e.g. the one HPUX member has never actually reported any results. Yeah, and this is not a good thing. Eventually I'd like to get to a point where every platform we consider "supported" has regular buildfarm reports. No more calls for port reports during beta periods --- beta work should focus on functionality testing, not getting it to build. regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: Anyone still care about Cygwin? (was Re: [HACKERS] [CORE] GPL
Tom Lane wrote: "Dave Page" writes: Actually, my gripe about this one is that it wasn't detected promptly. That patch went in two weeks ago; we should have known about the problem within a couple days at most. Seems like the Windows members of the buildfarm don't run often enough. The whole point of the buildfarm is to spot problems while the code is still fresh in mind, no? I think that speaks for the current usage of the cygwin port. Snake runs native builds daily, but like Magnus and his dev box there's no way I'm letting Cygwin anywhere near it. Istr that the only vaguely active Cygwin member is Andrew's laptop. Well, "lack of interest" is certainly adequate reason to decommission a port. If we can't find anyone who cares enough about Cygwin to host a regularly-scheduled buildfarm member, I'm for blowing it off. We used to have a couple of Cygwin boxes doing regular buildfarm runs. I don't recall why Jim Buttafuoco stopped running ferret. I have a shiny new set of components just waiting for me to put them together in a machine. Sudden trips to Australia and bouts of ill health have delayed this process far beyond what I wanted. My intention is to put a couple of VMs on this box, one of which will be Windows, and will run buildfarm regularly. Of course, if someone wanted to donate a nice machine, either hosted by me or somewhere else, that would shortcircuit things :-) Anyway, the lack of daily Cygwin builds is not permanent. There are several supported platforms not represented on the buildfarm - e.g. the one HPUX member has never actually reported any results. cheers andrew ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: Anyone still care about Cygwin? (was Re: [HACKERS] [CORE] GPL Source and Copyright Questions)
Tom Lane wrote: > "Dave Page" writes: >>> Actually, my gripe about this one is that it wasn't detected >>> promptly. That patch went in two weeks ago; we should have known >>> about >>> the problem >>> within a couple days at most. Seems like the Windows members of the >>> buildfarm don't run often enough. The whole point of the buildfarm >>> is to spot problems while the code is still fresh in mind, no? > >> I think that speaks for the current usage of the cygwin port. Snake >> runs native builds daily, but like Magnus and his dev box there's no >> way I'm letting Cygwin anywhere near it. Istr that the only vaguely >> active Cygwin member is Andrew's laptop. > > Well, "lack of interest" is certainly adequate reason to decommission > a port. If we can't find anyone who cares enough about Cygwin to > host a regularly-scheduled buildfarm member, I'm for blowing it off. > What all's needed on the host for this? I might be able to use either my house machine or my work desktop here @pervasive, or one of my test boxes here @pervasive. -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 512-248-2683 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 430 Valona Loop, Round Rock, TX 78681-3893 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
