Re: [PERFORM] [pgsql-advocacy] MySQL+InnoDB vs. PostgreSQL test?

2004-02-06 Thread Jan Wieck
Mike Nolan wrote: Seriously, I am tired of this kind of question. You gotta get bold enough to stand up in a meeting like that, say guy's, you can ask me how this compares to Oracle ... but if you're seriously asking me how this compares to MySQL, call me again when you've done your homework.

Re: [PERFORM] [pgsql-advocacy] MySQL+InnoDB vs. PostgreSQL test?

2004-02-03 Thread Jeff
Well, when I prepared my PG presentation I did some testing of MySQL (So I could be justified in calling it lousy :). I used the latest release (4.0.something I think) I was first bitten by my table type being MyISAM when I thought I set the default ot InnoDB. But I decided since my test was

Re: [PERFORM] [pgsql-advocacy] MySQL+InnoDB vs. PostgreSQL test?

2004-02-03 Thread Rigmor Ukuhe
script [I also decided to use this perl script for testing PG to be fair]. For one client mysql simply screamed. If already have test case set up, you could inform us, from where Postgres starts to beat MySql. Because if with 5 clients it still screams then i would give it a try in case of

Re: [PERFORM] [pgsql-advocacy] MySQL+InnoDB vs. PostgreSQL test?

2004-02-03 Thread Jeff
On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 11:46:05 -0500 Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not sure at what point it will topple, in my case it didn't matter if it ran good with 5 clients as I'll always have many more clients than 5. I did some idle, very unscientific tests

Re: [PERFORM] [pgsql-advocacy] MySQL+InnoDB vs. PostgreSQL test?

2004-02-03 Thread Tom Lane
Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not sure at what point it will topple, in my case it didn't matter if it ran good with 5 clients as I'll always have many more clients than 5. I did some idle, very unscientific tests the other day that indicated that MySQL insert performance starts to suck with

Re: [PERFORM] [pgsql-advocacy] MySQL+InnoDB vs. PostgreSQL test?

2004-02-03 Thread Jan Wieck
Josh Berkus wrote: Folks, I've had requests from a couple of businesses to see results of infomal MySQL +InnoDB vs. PostgreSQL tests.I know that we don't have the setup to do full formal benchmarking, but surely someone in our community has gone head-to-head on your own application? Josh,

Re: [PERFORM] [pgsql-advocacy] MySQL+InnoDB vs. PostgreSQL test?

2004-02-03 Thread Adam Ruth
Wow, I didn't know that (didn't get far enough to test any rollback). That's not a good thing. facetiousBut then again, it's MySQL who needs rollback anyway?/facetious On Feb 2, 2004, at 5:44 PM, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: One more thing that annoyed me. If you started a process, such

Re: [PERFORM] [pgsql-advocacy] MySQL+InnoDB vs. PostgreSQL test?

2004-02-02 Thread Robert Treat
On Mon, 2004-02-02 at 12:21, Josh Berkus wrote: Folks, I've had requests from a couple of businesses to see results of infomal MySQL +InnoDB vs. PostgreSQL tests.I know that we don't have the setup to do full formal benchmarking, but surely someone in our community has gone

Re: [PERFORM] [pgsql-advocacy] MySQL+InnoDB vs. PostgreSQL test?

2004-02-02 Thread Adam Ruth
Josh, I evaluated MySQL + InnoDB briefly for a project, once. I didn't get very far because of some severe limitations in MySQL. I had to import all of the data from an existing database (MS SQL). One of the tables was about 8 million rows, 10 fields, and had 5 indexes. I found it quite

Re: [PERFORM] [pgsql-advocacy] MySQL+InnoDB vs. PostgreSQL test?

2004-02-02 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
One more thing that annoyed me. If you started a process, such as a large DDL operation, or heaven forbid, a cartesian join (what? I never do that!). I believe InnoDB also has O(n) rollback time. eg. if you are rolling back 100 million row changes, it takes a long, long time. In PostgreSQL

Re: [PERFORM] [pgsql-advocacy] MySQL+InnoDB vs. PostgreSQL test?

2004-02-02 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
Seriously, I am tired of this kind of question. You gotta get bold enough to stand up in a meeting like that, say guy's, you can ask me how this compares to Oracle ... but if you're seriously asking me how this compares to MySQL, call me again when you've done your homework. Hey at least I

Re: [PERFORM] [pgsql-advocacy] MySQL+InnoDB vs. PostgreSQL test?

2004-02-02 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
Um, wrong. We don't lock rows for SELECT. No, but Chris is correct that we could do with having some kind of shared lock facility at the row level. Out of interest, what is it about this particular task that's so hard? (Not that I could code it myself). But surely you can use the same sort of

Re: [PERFORM] [pgsql-advocacy] MySQL+InnoDB vs. PostgreSQL test?

2004-02-02 Thread Tom Lane
Christopher Kings-Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, but Chris is correct that we could do with having some kind of shared lock facility at the row level. Out of interest, what is it about this particular task that's so hard? Keeping track of multiple lockers in a fixed amount of disk

Re: [PERFORM] [pgsql-advocacy] MySQL+InnoDB vs. PostgreSQL test?

2004-02-02 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
Out of interest, what is it about this particular task that's so hard? Keeping track of multiple lockers in a fixed amount of disk space. Why not look at how InnoDB does it? Or is that not applicable? ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if

Re: [PERFORM] [pgsql-advocacy] MySQL+InnoDB vs. PostgreSQL test?

2004-02-02 Thread Josh Berkus
Chris, Which does a shared lock on a row as opposed to a write lock, hence avoiding nasty foreign key deadlocks... Um, wrong. We don't lock rows for SELECT. Unless you meant something else? Am I not following you? -- -Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco

Re: [PERFORM] [pgsql-advocacy] MySQL+InnoDB vs. PostgreSQL test?

2004-02-02 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
Um, wrong. We don't lock rows for SELECT. Unless you meant something else? Am I not following you? I mean row level shared read lock. eg. a lock that says, you can read but you cannot delete. It's what postgres needs to alleviate its foreign key trigger deadlock problems. Chris