Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-05-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Greg, > > I posted this link under a different thread (the $7k server thread). It is > a very good read on why SCSI is better for servers than ATA. I didn't note > bias, though it is from a drive manufacturer. YMMV. There is an > interesting, though dated appendix on

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid? (somewhat OT)

2005-04-15 Thread Marinos Yannikos
Alex Turner wrote: No offense to that review, but it was really wasn't that good, and drew bad conclusions from the data. I posted it originaly and immediately regretted it. See http://www.tweakers.net/reviews/557/18 Amazingly the controller with 1Gig cache manages a write throughput of 750MB/sec

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-04-15 Thread Alex Turner
I stand corrected! Maybe I should re-evaluate our own config! Alex T (The dell PERC controllers do pretty much suck on linux) On 4/15/05, Vivek Khera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 15, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Alex Turner wrote: > > > You can't fit a 15k RPM SCSI solution into $7K ;) Some o

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-04-15 Thread Vivek Khera
On Apr 15, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Alex Turner wrote: You can't fit a 15k RPM SCSI solution into $7K ;) Some of us are on a budget! I just bought a pair of Dual Opteron, 4GB RAM, LSI 320-2X RAID dual channel with 8 36GB 15kRPM seagate drives. Each one of these boxes set me back just over $7k, incl

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-04-15 Thread Richard_D_Levine
x Turner > netEconomist > > On 4/15/05, Dave Held <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Alex Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:15 PM > > > To: Dave Held > > > Cc: pgsql-perform

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-04-15 Thread Dave Held
> -Original Message- > From: Alex Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:44 AM > To: Marinos Yannikos > Cc: Joshua D. Drake; Mohan, Ross; pgsql-performance@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid? > > No offense to

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-04-15 Thread Alex Turner
gt; wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Alex Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:15 PM > > To: Dave Held > > Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org > > Subject: Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid? > > > > Looking

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-04-15 Thread Alex Turner
No offense to that review, but it was really wasn't that good, and drew bad conclusions from the data. I posted it originaly and immediately regretted it. See http://www.tweakers.net/reviews/557/18 Amazingly the controller with 1Gig cache manages a write throughput of 750MB/sec on a single drive

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-04-15 Thread Richard_D_Levine
> From: Alex Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:15 PM > > To: Dave Held > > Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org > > Subject: Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid? > > > > Looking at the numbers, the raptor with TCQ enabled was clo

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-04-15 Thread Dave Held
> -Original Message- > From: Alex Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:15 PM > To: Dave Held > Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid? > > Looking at the numbers, the raptor with TCQ ena

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-04-15 Thread Marinos Yannikos
Joshua D. Drake wrote: Well I have never even heard of it. 3ware is the defacto authority of reasonable SATA RAID. no! 3ware was rather early in this business, but there are plenty of (IMHO, and some other people's opinion) better alternatives available. 3ware has good Linux drivers, but the pe

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-04-14 Thread Geoffrey
Alex Turner wrote: Looking at the numbers, the raptor with TCQ enabled was close or beat the Atlas III 10k drive on most benchmarks. Naturaly a 15k drive is going to be faster in many areas, but it is also much more expensive. It was only 44% better on the server tests than the raptor with TCQ, bu

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-04-14 Thread Alex Turner
g Stark; pgsql-performance@postgresql.org; > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid? > > > > > > I have put together a little head to head performance of a 15k SCSI, > > 10k SCSI 10K SATA w/TCQ, 10K SATA wo/TCQ and 7.2K SATA drive > &

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-04-14 Thread Alex Turner
t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Alex Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:14 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: Greg Stark; pgsql-performance@postgresql.org; > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] &g

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-04-14 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Our vendor is trying to sell us on an Intel SRCS16 SATA raid controller instead of the 3ware one. Well I have never even heard of it. 3ware is the defacto authority of reasonable SATA RAID. If you were to go with a different brand I would go with LSI. The LSI 150-6 is a nice card with a batt

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-04-14 Thread Richard_D_Levine
Nice research Alex. Your data strongly support the information in the paper. Your SCSI drives blew away the others in all of the server benchmarks. They're only marginally better in desktop use. I do find it somewhat amazing that a 15K SCSI 320 drive isn't going to help me play Unreal Tournamen

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-04-14 Thread Dave Held
> -Original Message- > From: Alex Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:14 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Greg Stark; pgsql-performance@postgresql.org; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid? > > >

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-04-14 Thread Alex Turner
I have put together a little head to head performance of a 15k SCSI, 10k SCSI 10K SATA w/TCQ, 10K SATA wo/TCQ and 7.2K SATA drive comparison at storage review http://www.storagereview.com/php/benchmark/compare_rtg_2001.php?typeID=10&testbedID=3&osID=4&raidconfigID=1&numDrives=1&devID_0=232&devID_1

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-04-14 Thread Alex Turner
I have read a large chunk of this, and I would highly recommend it to anyone who has been participating in the drive discussions. It is most informative!! Alex Turner netEconomist On 4/14/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greg, > > I posted this link under a different thread (t

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-04-14 Thread Richard_D_Levine
Greg, I posted this link under a different thread (the $7k server thread). It is a very good read on why SCSI is better for servers than ATA. I didn't note bias, though it is from a drive manufacturer. YMMV. There is an interesting, though dated appendix on different manufacturers' drive chara

Re: [PERFORM] Intel SRCS16 SATA raid?

2005-04-14 Thread Mohan, Ross
sorry, don't remember whether it's SCSI or SATA II, but IIRC the Areca controllers are just stellar for things. If you do get SATA for db stuff..especially multiuser...i still haven't seen anything to indicate an across-the-board primacy for SATA over SCSI. I'd go w/SCSI, or if SATA for $$$ reaso