> I want a minimal Smalltalk with decent modularity semantics.
We have been working on that since Pharo day one and we will continue.
> I want
> decent integration with the standard tools of the trade. I _don't_
> want to require special unique snowflake tools to work with my code.
Ok
> Right
On 23 May 2013 07:01, stephane ducasse wrote:
>>
>> I would _love_ to be able to use Smalltalk at work. Until it can work
>> properly with git, and people can use their own text editors (vim,
>> emacs, sublime), and quite a few other bits and pieces, it's just a
>> non-starter.
>
> it will happen.
Thierry,
I'm on vacation this week, but I will be integrating your change into Metacello
... thanks man!
Dale
- Original Message -
| From: "Goubier Thierry"
| To: "Discusses Development of Pharo"
| Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:48:49 AM
| Subject: Re
>
> I would _love_ to be able to use Smalltalk at work. Until it can work
> properly with git, and people can use their own text editors (vim,
> emacs, sublime), and quite a few other bits and pieces, it's just a
> non-starter.
it will happen. I'm sure :)
> I _like_ Pharo, and I _like_ how it ha
On 22 May 2013 21:12, Frank Shearar wrote:
> On 22 May 2013 18:29, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
>> Frank,
>>
>> On 22 May 2013, at 14:55, Frank Shearar wrote:
>>
>>> On 22 May 2013 13:44, Camillo Bruni wrote:
On 2013-05-22, at 14:36, Frank Shearar wrote:
> On 22 May 2013 13:
On 22 May 2013 20:37, Camillo Bruni wrote:
>>> Sven
>>>
>>> PS: I occasionally read the Squeak mailing and I see the work that you are
>>> doing and it is impressive. Your attitude, approach and drive remind me of
>>> the many Pharo developers. I would not dream of convincing you, but IMHO
>>>
>> Sven
>>
>> PS: I occasionally read the Squeak mailing and I see the work that you are
>> doing and it is impressive. Your attitude, approach and drive remind me of
>> the many Pharo developers. I would not dream of convincing you, but IMHO you
>> would fit perfectly in the Pharo community, w
On 22 May 2013 18:29, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
> Frank,
>
> On 22 May 2013, at 14:55, Frank Shearar wrote:
>
>> On 22 May 2013 13:44, Camillo Bruni wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2013-05-22, at 14:36, Frank Shearar wrote:
>>>
On 22 May 2013 13:20, Camillo Bruni wrote:
>
> On 2013-05-22, at
On 22 May 2013 16:42, stephane ducasse wrote:
>> I believe the things I do regarding the fork because of personal
>> conversations with people close to the decision.
>
> Fun because we are the people who took the decisions and we never got a real
> discussions
> so far. So this means that so far
+1
> Now, for library/framework developers/maintainers it is hard to be compatible
> with different Smalltalk implementations. It is not impossible, but requires
> manpower, interest and will. Recently, only Fuel managed to do that (of the
> bigger projects).
>
> Sven
>
> PS: I occasionally r
Frank,
On 22 May 2013, at 14:55, Frank Shearar wrote:
> On 22 May 2013 13:44, Camillo Bruni wrote:
>>
>> On 2013-05-22, at 14:36, Frank Shearar wrote:
>>
>>> On 22 May 2013 13:20, Camillo Bruni wrote:
On 2013-05-22, at 14:02, Frank Shearar wrote:
> On 22 May 2013 12:49
> I believe the things I do regarding the fork because of personal
> conversations with people close to the decision.
Fun because we are the people who took the decisions and we never got a real
discussions
so far. So this means that so far you got discussions with people that believe
that they
Le 22/05/2013 15:26, Camillo Bruni a écrit :
On 2013-05-22, at 15:22, Goubier Thierry wrote:
Le 22/05/2013 15:12, Camillo Bruni a écrit :
On 2013-05-22, at 15:05, Camillo Bruni wrote:
Not sure I can answer that; in the meantime, I just added a FileTreeUrl as a
subclass of FileUrl, and Go
On May 22, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Frank Shearar wrote:
>>
>> PS: we are ants running around while elephants (python, ruby, Javascripts)
>> are passing close by.
>> Not making serious progress is death.
>
> And that's why I don't push Smalltalk as an option at work. It's too
> different, it has too
On 22 May 2013 15:25, stephane ducasse wrote:
>>> There IS a reason pharo forked from squeak...
>>
>> I'm not pursuing this thread: it's my understanding that the fork was
>> largely political, and personal, and that's as far as I'm going to
>> talk about it.
>
> Reducing Pharo to a personal decis
On 22 May 2013 15:14, stephane ducasse wrote:
>> Well. What I should have asked was "have you cloned the repository
>> with the intention of pushing improvements upstream, or have you
>> forked the project with no intention of pushing changes upstream?"
>
> what means pushing changes upstream?
> t
>> There IS a reason pharo forked from squeak...
>
> I'm not pursuing this thread: it's my understanding that the fork was
> largely political, and personal, and that's as far as I'm going to
> talk about it.
Reducing Pharo to a personal decision is ridiculous but you can believe it
if you want.
Le 22/05/2013 16:16, stephane ducasse a écrit :
Well. What I should have asked was "have you cloned the repository
with the intention of pushing improvements upstream, or have you
forked the project with no intention of pushing changes upstream?"
Now, I'd have a question related to that. Wher
>
> Sorry, was that supposed to be an answer? I must go find out how much
> work you've done before guessing whether you've forked and abandoned
> upstream?
>
> Like I said: What I want to know is this: if I want to make a change
> to infrastructure common to multiple Smalltalks, does Pharo expec
>> Well. What I should have asked was "have you cloned the repository
>> with the intention of pushing improvements upstream, or have you
>> forked the project with no intention of pushing changes upstream?"
>
> Now, I'd have a question related to that. Where should I push my changes ?
>
> Or gi
> Well. What I should have asked was "have you cloned the repository
> with the intention of pushing improvements upstream, or have you
> forked the project with no intention of pushing changes upstream?"
what means pushing changes upstream?
to the original gofer repo?
> Because the latter option
On 2013-05-22, at 15:22, Goubier Thierry wrote:
> Le 22/05/2013 15:12, Camillo Bruni a écrit :
>>
>> On 2013-05-22, at 15:05, Camillo Bruni wrote:
>>
>> Not sure I can answer that; in the meantime, I just added a FileTreeUrl
>> as a
>> subclass of FileUrl, and Gofer seems happy w
Le 22/05/2013 15:12, Camillo Bruni a écrit :
On 2013-05-22, at 15:05, Camillo Bruni wrote:
Not sure I can answer that; in the meantime, I just added a FileTreeUrl as a
subclass of FileUrl, and Gofer seems happy with that.
Neat.
Now, I can do:
./pharo Pharo.image eval --save Gofer new ur
Le 22/05/2013 15:05, Camillo Bruni a écrit :
Not sure I can answer that; in the meantime, I just added a FileTreeUrl as a
subclass of FileUrl, and Gofer seems happy with that.
Neat.
Now, I can do:
./pharo Pharo.image eval --save Gofer new url:
\'filetree://`pwd`/../../src\'\; package: \'Ta
On 2013-05-22, at 15:05, Camillo Bruni wrote:
Not sure I can answer that; in the meantime, I just added a FileTreeUrl as
a
subclass of FileUrl, and Gofer seems happy with that.
>>>
>>> Neat.
>>
>> Now, I can do:
>>
>> ./pharo Pharo.image eval --save Gofer new url:
>> \'filet
>>> Not sure I can answer that; in the meantime, I just added a FileTreeUrl as a
>>> subclass of FileUrl, and Gofer seems happy with that.
>>
>> Neat.
>
> Now, I can do:
>
> ./pharo Pharo.image eval --save Gofer new url:
> \'filetree://`pwd`/../../src\'\; package: \'TauC-Parser\'\; load
cool!
Le 22/05/2013 13:57, Frank Shearar a écrit :
On 22 May 2013 12:56, Goubier Thierry wrote:
Le 22/05/2013 13:28, Frank Shearar a écrit :
On 22 May 2013 12:13, Goubier Thierry wrote:
Le 22/05/2013 13:05, Frank Shearar a écrit :
On 22 May 2013 12:05, Goubier Thierry wrote:
I'm trying to
On 22 May 2013 13:44, Camillo Bruni wrote:
>
> On 2013-05-22, at 14:36, Frank Shearar wrote:
>
>> On 22 May 2013 13:20, Camillo Bruni wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2013-05-22, at 14:02, Frank Shearar wrote:
>>>
On 22 May 2013 12:49, stephane ducasse wrote:
>>> ./pharo Pharo.image config
On 2013-05-22, at 14:36, Frank Shearar wrote:
> On 22 May 2013 13:20, Camillo Bruni wrote:
>>
>> On 2013-05-22, at 14:02, Frank Shearar wrote:
>>
>>> On 22 May 2013 12:49, stephane ducasse wrote:
>>>
>> ./pharo Pharo.image config filetree://`pwd`/../src/
>>
>> Fails on try
On 22 May 2013 13:20, Camillo Bruni wrote:
>
> On 2013-05-22, at 14:02, Frank Shearar wrote:
>
>> On 22 May 2013 12:49, stephane ducasse wrote:
>>
> ./pharo Pharo.image config filetree://`pwd`/../src/
>
> Fails on trying to execute #mcRepositoryAsUser:withPassword: on a
> Ge
On 22 May 2013 13:13, Goubier Thierry wrote:
> Le 22/05/2013 14:02, Frank Shearar a écrit :
>
>> On 22 May 2013 12:49, stephane ducasse wrote:
>>
>>
> ./pharo Pharo.image config filetree://`pwd`/../src/
>
> Fails on trying to execute #mcRepositoryAsUser:withPassword: on a
On 2013-05-22, at 14:02, Frank Shearar wrote:
> On 22 May 2013 12:49, stephane ducasse wrote:
>
./pharo Pharo.image config filetree://`pwd`/../src/
Fails on trying to execute #mcRepositoryAsUser:withPassword: on a
GenericUrl
instance inside Gofer.
>>>
>>> Yep, I
Le 22/05/2013 14:02, Frank Shearar a écrit :
On 22 May 2013 12:49, stephane ducasse wrote:
./pharo Pharo.image config filetree://`pwd`/../src/
Fails on trying to execute #mcRepositoryAsUser:withPassword: on a GenericUrl
instance inside Gofer.
Yep, I'd agree with your assessment. Has Pharo
Le 22/05/2013 13:58, Camillo Bruni a écrit :
On 2013-05-22, at 13:05, Goubier Thierry wrote:
I'm trying to setup a git-based build script from the command line and I end up
unable to load a configuration from a filetree repository on the pharo command
line.
Has someone encountered that? It
On 22 May 2013 12:49, stephane ducasse wrote:
>>> ./pharo Pharo.image config filetree://`pwd`/../src/
>>>
>>> Fails on trying to execute #mcRepositoryAsUser:withPassword: on a GenericUrl
>>> instance inside Gofer.
>>
>> Yep, I'd agree with your assessment. Has Pharo forked Gofer, or does
>> i
On 2013-05-22, at 13:05, Goubier Thierry wrote:
> I'm trying to setup a git-based build script from the command line and I end
> up unable to load a configuration from a filetree repository on the pharo
> command line.
>
> Has someone encountered that? It seems Gopher is missing a FiletreeURL
On 22 May 2013 12:56, Goubier Thierry wrote:
> Le 22/05/2013 13:28, Frank Shearar a écrit :
>
>> On 22 May 2013 12:13, Goubier Thierry wrote:
>>>
>>> Le 22/05/2013 13:05, Frank Shearar a écrit :
>>>
On 22 May 2013 12:05, Goubier Thierry wrote:
>
>
> I'm trying to setup a git-bas
Le 22/05/2013 13:28, Frank Shearar a écrit :
On 22 May 2013 12:13, Goubier Thierry wrote:
Le 22/05/2013 13:05, Frank Shearar a écrit :
On 22 May 2013 12:05, Goubier Thierry wrote:
I'm trying to setup a git-based build script from the command line and I
end
up unable to load a configuration
>>>
>> ./pharo Pharo.image config filetree://`pwd`/../src/
>>
>> Fails on trying to execute #mcRepositoryAsUser:withPassword: on a GenericUrl
>> instance inside Gofer.
>
> Yep, I'd agree with your assessment. Has Pharo forked Gofer, or does
> it still use Lukas Renggli's repository?
We forked i
On 22 May 2013 12:13, Goubier Thierry wrote:
> Le 22/05/2013 13:05, Frank Shearar a écrit :
>
>> On 22 May 2013 12:05, Goubier Thierry wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm trying to setup a git-based build script from the command line and I
>>> end
>>> up unable to load a configuration from a filetree repository o
Le 22/05/2013 13:05, Frank Shearar a écrit :
On 22 May 2013 12:05, Goubier Thierry wrote:
I'm trying to setup a git-based build script from the command line and I end
up unable to load a configuration from a filetree repository on the pharo
command line.
Has someone encountered that? It seems
On 22 May 2013 12:05, Goubier Thierry wrote:
> I'm trying to setup a git-based build script from the command line and I end
> up unable to load a configuration from a filetree repository on the pharo
> command line.
>
> Has someone encountered that? It seems Gopher is missing a FiletreeURL for
> t
I'm trying to setup a git-based build script from the command line and I
end up unable to load a configuration from a filetree repository on the
pharo command line.
Has someone encountered that? It seems Gopher is missing a FiletreeURL
for this to work.
Thierry
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