[Phono-L] 1A
I got the screws and clips. Maybe next week we can finish it. -Barry
Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304
I was able to buy just the horn a while ago so it can be gotten. Better to have the orig one that came from the machine. I had bought it to make a 'fake' III but was able to find a III and sold the horn. -Barry On 3/24/2013 5:22 PM, Bill Taney wrote: Excellent work!! Sent from my iPad On Mar 24, 2013, at 3:56 PM, "George Glastris" wrote: Or maybe we can find the buyer and ask him to pass it on to the buyer of the rest of the machine. -Original Message- From: George Paul Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 3:35 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304 I'm happy to report that all the constituent parts of Amberola III No.304 (except the horn) have been purchased by a preservation-minded collector. It's a pity about the horn, but I'm hoping one of us can find an original to complete the machine. Does anyone have a spare Amberola III horn in any condition? Best to all, George P. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Turntable Motor Question
Check the resister. If its value is too big the motor will slow down under load. -Barry On 2/14/2013 11:23 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I am at my wits end, trying to find someone who can rewind/fix a motor for my Fairy Phonograph Lamp. What I am considering as a temporary fix (not altering the original parts in any way) was to use a 78 rpm turntable motor from a jukebox. Does anyone know of a direct drive type motor that would handle the weight of a 12" steel turntable and the resulting drag from the acoustic reproducer and steel needle? I have been researching the original Fairy motor for over 8 months and cannot find anything about it regarding amps, hp and rpms - there is no tag on any of the three that I have looked at. I am restoring a second Fairy lamp that has the same motor problem as my first one - motor spins, but slows to a stop with any load. I have been told that the motor is a strange one since it is wound for three different types of power. Parts for these phonos are non-existent, thus the idea of using a strong jukebox turntable motor which is already running at 78 rpms. The original motor has a resistor to cut the power and uses a pulley - governor - worm screw to meshed gear transmission to run the turntable and the speed is controlled by a simple brake mechanism. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Columbia Baby Grand piano shaped phonograph
Hi, I recently got one of these, Circasian Walnut straight leg. It has the early electric motor. It works but I can't figure out how to adjust the autostop. The last owner has 'fixed' it. Same with the speed control but that I have an idea how to fix. Also it comes with 2 reproducers. I assumed they were different, one for early acoustic and one for electric recorded. But the 2 that came with it are the same. It is also missing one of the gold plated tools (the needle nose pliers) from the drawer. I assume I will never get a gold plated one but would like to get one of the same type and vintage and plate it. Any ideas where to look for one? -- -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] FAIRY PHONO-LAMP RESTORATION - CORRECT LINK
Congratulations. Nice job -Barry On 9/22/2012 12:24 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I guess that in order to see the pics you have to go to our website: www.carolinaphonosociety.com Once there, click "ENTER" on the side of the truck... Now you are on page two with the woman and Nipper - scroll down to the bottom of the page where there is a pic of a Fairy Phono Lamp - Click on the picture and it will take you to the "before" page Now click on the yellow words "Click HERE to see the restoration progress" at the top of the page... DONE ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Bob Johnson News Article
Such a shame, what a nice guy. He helped so many people like me he really didn't know. -Barry On 9/20/2012 11:22 AM, Loran T. Hughes wrote: http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120920/NEWS/209200313 Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Edison 11 panel cygnet horn
Hi, I have this black and gold horn and it is extra. I got it because I thought it went with a Triumph but I don't have a machine for it anymore. Is it worth more than a regular 10 panel? -- -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phonograph Motor Issue...
I had a Phono that did that. I think is is worn bearings in the motor. On Aug 13, 2012 8:03 PM, "Vinyl Visions" wrote: > > Is there anyone on the list who has had experience with a Fairy Phonograph > motor or other phono motors from that period? I completed my restoration - > everything works - lights, motor, etc. However, when the motor is under > load, with the turntable in place, it seems to vary in power from fast to > almost a complete stop. It bogs down when a record is attempted to be > played... > I know that no one will have an exact answer, but I am looking for the > most plausible cause. Does the motor need to be rewound and rebuilt or is > it more likely that the brushes are dirty or worn out. Any ideas??? > Curt > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] For Sale: Edison cylinder machines
The Red Banner Home and 5" Concert are still available. Pictures are available. Edison Concert 5" with over-cover. B reproducer. Early banner suitcase Home brass mandrel Red Decal on lid Can deliver to Wayne or Kutztown. Thanks -- -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] For Sale: Edison cylinder machines
Before these go on Ebay. Oak Amberola III with replacement record boxes. Amberola 30 Edison Concert 5" with over-cover. B reproducer. Early banner suitcase Home Can deliver to Wayne or Kutztown. Thanks -- -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Exploring Phonograph Show/Sale in Boston
I like that idea. A joint phono show with the NEARC show in Febuary might work. -Barry On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jack Whelan wrote: > > > Bruce, The airfare to TF Green in Providence RI would be much higher that > Boston. More important, you'd get a larger turn out in a large metro city, > Boston. The number of hotels (from low cost to upper range) accessible by > public transit is very large. An important consideration is open parking > area as many dealers haul their inventory in a trailer. There are several > well-attended Antique Radio Shows in the Boston area, might make sense to > schedule at the same time, venue. Jack > Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 17:40:26 > + >> From: bruce78...@comcast.net >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 2013 Phonograph Show/Sale >> >> I wonder if we could sponsor one some year. You would have to have it >> somewhere that is close access to an airport and hotels and motels etc. The >> Attleboro area is close proximity to T.F. Green airport, Rte 95 etc. , you >> would just need to find a hotel or function hall that was nearby with large >> enough facilities, to hold a two day event, and also gain access to the list >> of all of the dealers who can be solicited. and make it on a date where it >> does not conflict with other well established Phonograph shows/Sales. >> >> Bruce > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org -- -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola case parts request
I have some extra Amberola 30 cases, email me offlist. -Barry On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Bob Maffit wrote: > Phono listers: > > > > Is anyone reproducing the wood case parts for Amberola 30s? I am looking for > what I refer to as the wood frame which sits on top of the sides & back, and > functions as a rest or base for the lid. > > > > In effect if removed it would look like a wood frame. > > > > If no source for the case parts, does anyone have one they want to part > with? > > > > Later > > > > Bob > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org -- -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_?
Very true. The question was SAFETY. I hate having 3 wire plugs on antique electronics. You can easily put a polarized plug on a piece of zipcord and get the ends right and be safe as well. I like the idea of making something SAFE without changing the item at all. -Barry On 2/17/2012 12:25 PM, Bruce wrote: Barry, the shock hazard model during HiPot testing development assumes all external metallic surfaces on a product are always at the same potential. That is why we are only required to test against the product ground through an alligator clamp to the chassis or through the ground terminal of the 3 wire AC input. The shock hazard model we care about is a ground path through the body past the heart. You could be standing on a concrete floor barefoot or touching a cold water pipe with your other arm. I submit to you that I could connect any ungrounded electrical device through my isolation transformer, float it up to 1500VAC (the isolation voltage of my isolation transformer) and invite you to touch it and depending on your resistance to ground, you will definitely feel it. It will not be much current, and it may not kill you but it will wake you up faster than a few cups of coffee. Bruce Peterson Accolade Engineering www.accoladeeng.com -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Barry Kasindorf Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:28 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? All this assumes the entire case is at the same potential. Then a shock occurs if you touch the case and something else that has a non infinite resistance to the other side of the line at the same time. An isolation transformer (not a variac or such) that completely isolates the item from the ground will remove the shock hazard caused by touching the case of the Motrola and ground. Nothing, including connecting the case to the green wire of the 3 wire plug will prevent a shock if all the metal is not at the same potential. If the case halves don't connect well, which can happen if it is cruddy potmetal you will still get a shock if you touch ground and the part that is not connected well to the part of the case you grounded. An isolation transformer will 100% prevent a shock unless you touch BOTH parts of a faulty case at the same time, and you will still get a shock if you grounded one part of the case in this case. The good thing about the isolation transformer is you don't have to make any changes to the Motrola and it can be used for other electronics when not using the phonograph. -Barry On 2/17/2012 10:51 AM, Bruce wrote: The isolation transformer does NOT make it safe. We use isolation transformers when working on TVs/Radios with a hot ground so that when we connect the ground lead of our instrumentation, we don't see fireworks. The isolation transformer allows the isolated circuit to float to whatever potential the leakage or forced paths take it. It is true that the only way to experience a shock is to come in contact with two significantly difference potentials. I think this discussion of shock hazards already had the premise that a potential near ground was available for accidental contact along with a faulty motrola. Bruce -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Barry Kasindorf Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 6:10 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? Not true Greg. You would have to touch 2 different places with potential to get a shock and the case can't have that. Unless the isolation transformer is bad it makers it safe. That is how you can use those AC/DC sets with the case hot safely. The isolation transformer isolates it from ground completely. On 2/16/2012 10:10 PM, Greg Bogantz wrote: An isolation transformer would not prevent getting a shock from the case of the Motrola if it develops internal leakage. Grounding the case of the unit as described previously is the best plan. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: "Philip Carli" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? Many thanks! Another suggestion I've had is the use of an isolation transformer at the plug - any thoughts on that? PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Greg Bogantz [gbogan...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:27 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? I believe the Motrola has a metal case. The danger can occur if there is electrical leakage from the internal wiring to the case and its attached metal parts
Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_?
All this assumes the entire case is at the same potential. Then a shock occurs if you touch the case and something else that has a non infinite resistance to the other side of the line at the same time. An isolation transformer (not a variac or such) that completely isolates the item from the ground will remove the shock hazard caused by touching the case of the Motrola and ground. Nothing, including connecting the case to the green wire of the 3 wire plug will prevent a shock if all the metal is not at the same potential. If the case halves don't connect well, which can happen if it is cruddy potmetal you will still get a shock if you touch ground and the part that is not connected well to the part of the case you grounded. An isolation transformer will 100% prevent a shock unless you touch BOTH parts of a faulty case at the same time, and you will still get a shock if you grounded one part of the case in this case. The good thing about the isolation transformer is you don't have to make any changes to the Motrola and it can be used for other electronics when not using the phonograph. -Barry On 2/17/2012 10:51 AM, Bruce wrote: The isolation transformer does NOT make it safe. We use isolation transformers when working on TVs/Radios with a hot ground so that when we connect the ground lead of our instrumentation, we don't see fireworks. The isolation transformer allows the isolated circuit to float to whatever potential the leakage or forced paths take it. It is true that the only way to experience a shock is to come in contact with two significantly difference potentials. I think this discussion of shock hazards already had the premise that a potential near ground was available for accidental contact along with a faulty motrola. Bruce -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Barry Kasindorf Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 6:10 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? Not true Greg. You would have to touch 2 different places with potential to get a shock and the case can't have that. Unless the isolation transformer is bad it makers it safe. That is how you can use those AC/DC sets with the case hot safely. The isolation transformer isolates it from ground completely. On 2/16/2012 10:10 PM, Greg Bogantz wrote: An isolation transformer would not prevent getting a shock from the case of the Motrola if it develops internal leakage. Grounding the case of the unit as described previously is the best plan. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: "Philip Carli" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? Many thanks! Another suggestion I've had is the use of an isolation transformer at the plug - any thoughts on that? PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Greg Bogantz [gbogan...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:27 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? I believe the Motrola has a metal case. The danger can occur if there is electrical leakage from the internal wiring to the case and its attached metal parts which can occur due to carbonized insulation that can begin to develop a lower resistance. I would recommend first testing with an ohmmeter to determine if there is already leakage from either of the wires leading from the motor to the case. An ohmmeter reading should indicate a very high or infinite resistance from either wire to the case when things are correct. If you measure any significantly lower resistance, the internal wiring will need to be redone or repaired. If there is good isolation from the motor wires to the case, I would recommend replacing the line cord with a modern three-wire cord with a 3-terminal AC plug. Connect the black and white wires to the motor circuit as was done in the original 2-wire cord. Then connect the green wire to a screw on the metal case. This will privide a grounding connection from the case to your household earthing system. If electrical leakage should develop in the future, it will be routed thru the green wire to your household ground system (assuming you plug the cord into a modern 3-wire outlet). In the worst case, it will blow a fuse or circuit breaker rather than leaving the system a shock hazard. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: "Philip Carli" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 7:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? I have a Jones Motrola I'm trying to rewire, but I read that they can be dangerous in their original ungrounded state? Any idea
Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_?
Not true Greg. You would have to touch 2 different places with potential to get a shock and the case can't have that. Unless the isolation transformer is bad it makers it safe. That is how you can use those AC/DC sets with the case hot safely. The isolation transformer isolates it from ground completely. On 2/16/2012 10:10 PM, Greg Bogantz wrote: An isolation transformer would not prevent getting a shock from the case of the Motrola if it develops internal leakage. Grounding the case of the unit as described previously is the best plan. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: "Philip Carli" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? Many thanks! Another suggestion I've had is the use of an isolation transformer at the plug - any thoughts on that? PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Greg Bogantz [gbogan...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:27 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? I believe the Motrola has a metal case. The danger can occur if there is electrical leakage from the internal wiring to the case and its attached metal parts which can occur due to carbonized insulation that can begin to develop a lower resistance. I would recommend first testing with an ohmmeter to determine if there is already leakage from either of the wires leading from the motor to the case. An ohmmeter reading should indicate a very high or infinite resistance from either wire to the case when things are correct. If you measure any significantly lower resistance, the internal wiring will need to be redone or repaired. If there is good isolation from the motor wires to the case, I would recommend replacing the line cord with a modern three-wire cord with a 3-terminal AC plug. Connect the black and white wires to the motor circuit as was done in the original 2-wire cord. Then connect the green wire to a screw on the metal case. This will privide a grounding connection from the case to your household earthing system. If electrical leakage should develop in the future, it will be routed thru the green wire to your household ground system (assuming you plug the cord into a modern 3-wire outlet). In the worst case, it will blow a fuse or circuit breaker rather than leaving the system a shock hazard. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: "Philip Carli" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 7:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? I have a Jones Motrola I'm trying to rewire, but I read that they can be dangerous in their original ungrounded state? Any ideas on how I can deal with this? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Philip Carli This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet suspension spring question
I have a new crane here that is too tall, maybe we can trade. -Barry On 8/6/2011 11:48 AM, john robles wrote: Hello all I recently purchased an original cygnet suspension spring. All of my Cygnet hardware was original with the exception of the spring, so it seemed like a golden opportunity. What I didn't consider was the strength (or lack thereof) of an original spring. It seems this one is weak enough that I have to crank the susension bolt all the way to the bottom in order to have the horn hang correctly, and even then it is putting a little too much pressure on the carriage to the point that records repeat grooves. I use a tizit to help the carriage move freely but even this doesn't help, and shortening the rubber connector wouldn't do much. Here's my question: Would it be blaspemy to cut a few coils off the original spring in order to alleviate the problem? I hate to have spent the money only to have a spring I can't use. The other solution is to get a different crane. I have a number 10 crane, and I read that there were different sized cranes for different options. I am going to be installing a top mount carriage and a model O reproducer, and I understaned there was a Model O crane that was taller than the number 10. Anyone seen one of these? Anyone got a longer lower portion they would trade?? Thanks! John Robles. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Looking for TT and Triumph half nut
Hi, I got all my phonographs out and I am looking for a few missing things. I have a Vic XI tabletop inside horn machine that needs a TT. It is early and takes the cast iron short stem like the one on a Vic V. I need one half nut for a Banner Triumph A. Someone was talking about making these but I lost the email. I need a bedplate for a mid run square case standard with the large chrome nameplate. I don't need any parts just the bedplate. Before anyone says it, yes I already asked George :-). Thanks. -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Charley
A very cool show on the Science Chanel about an antique store in Manhattan. There may be a clip on the discovery channel web site. -Barry On 5/17/2011 9:12 AM, Ron L'Herault wrote: And what is "Oddities"? Ron (doesn't buy cable/dish/fiber optic for TV) -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ken and Brenda Brekke Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:19 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charley Is there a link to this episode? Ken -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Barry Kasindorf Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 1:46 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Charley Hi, Did anyone else see Charlie buy the Edison doll on Oddities show last night? Someone just walked in off the street (they want you to believe..) and brought in an empty Edison doll to sell, and they went to Charley. Very nice shots of his collection. -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Charley
Hi, Did anyone else see Charlie buy the Edison doll on Oddities show last night? Someone just walked in off the street (they want you to believe..) and brought in an empty Edison doll to sell, and they went to Charley. Very nice shots of his collection. -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph??
When I got mine I assumed someone had home made the reproducer and tonearm since they were wood and looked very wrong and amateurish. But I have seen several others since and they were all this way so I assume this is right. Now I know why. -Barry On 4/23/2011 12:07 PM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: If you see Joan's detailed follow up, you will note that the ONLY VARIATION was in fact the position of the SPEED REGULATOR, and no other was noted. Bruce - Original Message - From: "Vinyl Visions" To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:01:54 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph?? Ok, that pic looks to be original, with the mahogany woodgrain and the fibre/cone tonearm. My question, is still this: look at John's pic and the tonearm is mounted in a different location and also "appears to be original". As I said before, where in the world would you find a tonearm, motor and crank that would fit exactly in this machine? Not to say it couldn't be done, but it begs the question - why would anyone go to the trouble to alter a cheap machine in the first place and do such a good job that it would be hard to discern??? Tonearms and reproducers made specifically for different machines are almost impossible to move from one machine to another brand and fit exactly. I still wonder if this is yet another variation of woodgraining (not an unusual concept considering that people like different finishes) and the use of other available parts from the factory. If you look at the pic of the auction machine at the link Bruce sent, you can see what appears to be a speed regulator fitted in a hole where the tonearm on John's machine is mounted... maybe the company decided to use the existing hole for a later changeover to a metal tonearm, as the "fibre arm" looks delicate. The whole history of phonograph collecting is filled with odd and unbelievable factory variations from respected manufacturers - why not this cheap little machine? What do I know??? I am not an expert, just a collector/restorer. Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 01:14:59 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph?? Thanks. I just found one that looks completely original. If you pull up a close up of the Center Photo you will get a good look at that so-called Violin Fibre Tone Arm/Horn should look like. Note the dark Mahogany Color of the metal cabinet. http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/6056299 Bruce - Original Message - From: "Vinyl Visions" To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 7:47:39 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph?? I am positive that Bruce is right... I was just wondering about possible variations. Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:53:58 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph?? This machine as I said is all wrong. The one that appeared on ebay a couple of years ago was correct. It had the fiber tone and the correct reproducer, it was correct color but it was missing the Motor. This is definitely a CAROLA but it has definitely been altered from its original state. If you can live with that drastic alteration of the original then by all means shell out some dough, its whatever makes you happy. - Original Message - From: "Vinyl Visions" To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:40:30 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph?? Hi John,Even though my 2 cents is only worth 2 cents, I have a couple of questions: does the paint look re-done? Does it crank and play a record all the way through? Does the needle hit the center of the turntable spindle, as it would be very difficult to find another tonearm/reproducer that would be exactly the right length to fit this cabinet, if it has been altered from original. Why would anyone go to the difficulty of altering a cheap machine in the first place? A portable would have probably been more expensive in the past than this machine and these parts don't really look like a portable - look at other CrapoPhones for a comparison. Are there extra holes in the cabinet? These things were made in a time when variations were common, so the fibre arm may or may not have worked as planned or been too expensive, etc. and may have been factory altered with a metal tonearm... who knows? The graining looks good, but if it is actually supposed to be dark mahogany woodgrai n in g, it looks wrong - again variations may have been made, which may still be original. Carola and other small machine makers did odd things sometimes and I am not sure that the product control was as good as other manufacturers. The crank does not appear to stick out too far, and fits the original hole/escutcheon from what I can observe... don't totally write it off without doing more research. I would email Tim Fabrizio, and ask if he h
Re: [Phono-L] Ray Wilenzick E-mail & Vic III wanted
There were 3 Vic III's for sale at Wayne, I think only 1 sold (the one I bought). There also were 3 on Ebay last few weeks alone, they are not hard to find. You can ask Mike D if he remembers which dealers still had them for sale. -Barry On 4/20/2011 6:37 AM, Ray & Phyllis Wilenzick wrote: Bob: Sorry I can't help, as my collection was sold at Stanton's auction. Best regards, Ray Wilenzick wilenz...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - From: "Bob Maffit" To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 11:29 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Ray Wilenzick E-mail & Vic III wanted Phono Folks: Does anyone have Ray Wilenzick's E-mail address? I had a friend over the other day and he wants me to help him with obtaining a Vic III. A horn is not necessary, as I have a couple. I thought I would contact Ray, as he helped me in the past with a Vic II & Vic Vi, for which I am very pleased. Your help with his address and or any phonographs )Vic III)for sale would be appreciated. Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] 3 Known
I agree. But I have a friend who thinks an item is worthless unless he sees it sell for a lot on ebay then gets more interested in it, and will only bid on something unless it is extremely cheap or he knows there are <10 known. I keep arguing with him about this but it doesn't seem to matter. I thought Chuck said 2 more turned up recently, making 9, if he was already counting those then I guess there are 6. But those last 3 or 4 showed up in the last few showed up recently so there is hope. I guess it matters if I was going to try and restore a basket case machine. Unless it is rare it is not worth the bother. But there are things I have that maybe 3 or 4 exist and they are still not worth much or very interesting. -Barry On 4/17/2011 12:57 AM, Bruce Mercer wrote: As I said before, I collect these machines not because there are few known or the $ value. I collect them because they are wonderful machines. Just because I happen to have a relatively "rare" machine does not make me the type of collector that has to crow about it. I didn't bring up the subject of that thread and posted more as a joke. Apparently I didn't make that clear. I do remember saying that I hope many more C-1s are found. Everybody should be able to enjoy one. It only took me 50 years of constant looking to find one. If there are more than six both myself and Chuck would like to know about them and their serial numbers. Can you provide the serial numbers or names of the owners of those other four (or so) machines? I would be interested, and I know Chuck would be very surprised, meaning they would have had to have turned up in the last couple days. If that is the case he will have a BIG surprise in store. Idle speculation is just that. It's much the same in collecting reproducing pianos or rare radios like a Zenith Stratosphere or old cars like a Packard. The unconfirmed babble is often tainted with a little jealousy, envyor I'm not sure what. Sad. (just the facts ma'am) I do agree with Bill on one point, the C-2 upright is easier to load. On the other hand, the C-1 doesn't have that much wasted space in the cabinet. The top part is taken up by the turntable on the left and the radio tuner chassis on the right. Below are four generous record storage drawers on both sides of the grill cloth which has two oversized speakers stacked vertically in the back with a large power amp sitting on the floor. There is not much dead space. The C-2 has plenty of power but obviously can't match the power of the C-1. Having the turntable area lit helps quite a bit in sitting down the pickup but it's still a bit awkward and is really the only complaint I have with the design. I 'still' want to lift the lid. Bruce Mercer - Original Message - From: "bta...@realtick.com" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 3 Known I hope someday to own a C-2, I think it is just an amazingly cool machine. The rarity does not really even factor into it at all. The combination pickup for lateral & DD, the radio technology, the fact it is the end of an era. I actually like the C-2 better than the C-1 only in that the C-1 is just so big and looks like a phonograph was jammed in as an afterthought making record loading etc kind of awkward, although it certainly is a beautiful piece. Bill On 4/15/11 12:05 PM, "Barry Kasindorf" wrote: Like The Edison C-2, I thought it was so rare I would never hope to have one. I have had 3. And Chuck Azzalina had 7 in his basement last time I was there to fix. He started keeping count thinking the number surviving was in the 10's and stopped at 200 or so known. Same with C-1. There were 2 know for the longest time, then 2 more showed up then 1 more now I think there are about 10 or so out there. It isn't how many but how cool they are. C-1 and C-2 are very special machines and would be cool if there were 2000 left. I actually prefer if something I like is common, it means I can afford it :-). Collecting just so you can say you have 1 of only 2 known is what some people collect for but I am not one of them. -Barry On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Steven Medved wrote: Bruce, In the case of a machine like yours even if if there are twice as many existing as are currently known it is a very hard to find machine. Steve Steve, I agree completely and hope for collectors interested in these machines that at least a few more will be found. The thing that supports the 'few' is that they were made for only a year (more like 10 months), were very expensive and a good estimate of orginal production numbered about 200 machines. Frow wasn't much help. It seems that somebody at the National Monument could be a scource of desperately needed information regarding that machine and the number mfg.. I bought the machine from Charley H. and in
Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer Artwork
Nice. -Barry On 4/16/2011 3:37 PM, john robles wrote: Hello All I thought I would post a piece of reproducer arts and crafts for you. I received a Pathephone 40 yesterday through the kindness of a Phono-L member who responded to my search for one. The reproducer label was aged and blackened, and since it is paper you can't clean it without risking loss of the image. I found a decent picture of a reproducer online, and..well, the story is written on the before and after image at this link: http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Pathephone%20reproducer/ Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Vic III crank
OK, Next time I can get there. -Barry On 4/15/2011 10:47 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: I've got a home-made one that may be too long but it will get you going if you need it. Best bet is to contact George Vollema. Ron -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Barry Kasindorf Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 11:29 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Vic III crank Hi, Anyone have a female thread Vic III crank? Just bought a machine and the crank was missing. Thanks -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] 3 Known
Like The Edison C-2, I thought it was so rare I would never hope to have one. I have had 3. And Chuck Azzalina had 7 in his basement last time I was there to fix. He started keeping count thinking the number surviving was in the 10's and stopped at 200 or so known. Same with C-1. There were 2 know for the longest time, then 2 more showed up then 1 more now I think there are about 10 or so out there. It isn't how many but how cool they are. C-1 and C-2 are very special machines and would be cool if there were 2000 left. I actually prefer if something I like is common, it means I can afford it :-). Collecting just so you can say you have 1 of only 2 known is what some people collect for but I am not one of them. -Barry On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Steven Medved wrote: > > Bruce, > > In the case of a machine like yours even if if there are twice as many > existing as are currently known it is a very hard to find machine. > > Steve >> Steve, I agree completely and hope for collectors interested in these >> machines that at least a few more will be found. The thing that supports the >> 'few' is that they were made for only a year (more like 10 months), were >> very expensive and a good estimate of orginal production numbered about 200 >> machines. Frow wasn't much help. It seems that somebody at the National >> Monument could be a scource of desperately needed information regarding that >> machine and the number mfg.. I bought the machine from Charley H. and in >> talking with him and at least one other rabid collector, those are the >> numbers that are known and a good guess as to the number built. Charley told >> me he had gotten the machine from the original owner in N.J., somebody that >> had worked for Edison. There were many old pictures, some autographed, all >> to do with Edison or the Company on the walls, when he got the machine. He >> thought it to be someone high up in the Company. >> As far as I'm concerned I hope 100 more turn up sooner than later. It >> wouldn't affect the value of mine in the least, not to me anyway. Spread the >> happiness. >> >> Very best, >> Bruce M. > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > -- -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Vic III crank
Hi, Anyone have a female thread Vic III crank? Just bought a machine and the crank was missing. Thanks -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] TR Cylinders
Hi, I bought a set of 3 Roosevelt blue Amberols at the show Sunday without the correct boxes. Has anyone made repro lids for these? -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Charleston by Whiteman's O
Interesting. When I first started collecting I got a nice Victor 110. Then I said I need a Charleston record of course. It was so popular and iconic. It took 20 years before I was able to get one. I got the Edison DD of the Golden Gate Orchestra, great version. This from John was going to be my only later 78 of it, so I bid a ridiculous $$ to be sure to get it and still lost. -Barry On 1/19/2011 6:48 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: That attempt at scat just made me embarrassed for him! -Original Message- From: "DanKj" Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:32:38 To: Antique Phonograph List Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Charleston by Whiteman's O The same voice made a four syllable reappearance on "Charlestonette", 4 months later. I assume he was a band member. Here's Charleston, take 5, which has no vocal effects. There are a couple of overmodulated moments, so maybe that's why this take wasn't used. http://www.box.net/shared/m8niz5c5ml - Original Message - From: Yeah that is actually funny! -Original Message- From: William Zucca Personally, I never liked the Whiteman version because of the lame try at scat singing. I understand that there is a Whiteman version without vocal, but I have never heard it. Grnmountain Bill On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:38 PM, wrote: I still have a copy of the Whiteman version but I am not that impressed by it. I might sell it too. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Charleston Record on eBay
Wow, I doubled your selling price and I still missed it. I really wanted that, Oh Well, money went to a good place and it was not mine :-). -Barry On 1/18/2011 10:25 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Hey John, congratulations - that was a home run... Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Amberola Graphic and other long gone Phono fanzines
Too long a drive :-). If I lived closer... How much to mail bulk rate? :-) -Barry On 12/24/2010 11:13 AM, Mike Stitt wrote: Come get 'em Barry! Mike On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Barry Kasindorf wrote: I have been asking for YEARS if anyone can get those Hobbies articles by Walsh scanned. I was told there are just too many of them. Still it is a great resource that is unavailable now. -Barry On 12/24/2010 10:37 AM, Mike Stitt wrote: Thanks for the list. Tom Pollard and Bob from Musical Americana also put out news letters. Have many of those listed and another one I just can't remember nor do I know where I put them, on cylinder records. The Bob Fulwider (sp) newsletters were a hoot for the classified. Pollard's would make you cry. If anyone is ever in Southern Oregon I have a large numbers of Hobbies Magazine. A source that has been "mined" by many for it series on pioneer recording artists, free for the taking. It is a VERY important series. Oldcranky Mike On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:18 PM, wrote: In a message dated 12/23/2010 5:23:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, smst...@gmail.com writes: I really think it was a true love of labor for Martin. The magazine was a bargain as was most everything he sold. Like many things they come and go. Very hard work. Tim Gracyk was a pioneer as well. Allen K too. I have all of the APM's NAGs and a great deal of Tim's work. I am grateful they did what they did and yes Allen and Tim utilize the internet. Thank you all and all the others too. The list is long. I'll add to the list... Cecil Dancer's Gramophone News (I think only 3 issues) From the UK: Sounds Vintage (a glossy mag) From US The Antique Phonograph News (Published by the Calif society in the 1970s) Jerry's Musical News - actually a magazine of Phono classified Ads - by Jerry Madsen Of course Hillandale News (now For the Record) - CLPGS and Talking Machine Review by Ernie Bayly (which petered out after he sold it) and this is just the Phono mags no longer with us, not counting the vintage record ones. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Amberola Graphic and other long gone Phono fanzines
I have been asking for YEARS if anyone can get those Hobbies articles by Walsh scanned. I was told there are just too many of them. Still it is a great resource that is unavailable now. -Barry On 12/24/2010 10:37 AM, Mike Stitt wrote: Thanks for the list. Tom Pollard and Bob from Musical Americana also put out news letters. Have many of those listed and another one I just can't remember nor do I know where I put them, on cylinder records. The Bob Fulwider (sp) newsletters were a hoot for the classified. Pollard's would make you cry. If anyone is ever in Southern Oregon I have a large numbers of Hobbies Magazine. A source that has been "mined" by many for it series on pioneer recording artists, free for the taking. It is a VERY important series. Oldcranky Mike On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:18 PM, wrote: In a message dated 12/23/2010 5:23:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, smst...@gmail.com writes: I really think it was a true love of labor for Martin. The magazine was a bargain as was most everything he sold. Like many things they come and go. Very hard work. Tim Gracyk was a pioneer as well. Allen K too. I have all of the APM's NAGs and a great deal of Tim's work. I am grateful they did what they did and yes Allen and Tim utilize the internet. Thank you all and all the others too. The list is long. I'll add to the list... Cecil Dancer's Gramophone News (I think only 3 issues) > From the UK: Sounds Vintage (a glossy mag) > From US The Antique Phonograph News (Published by the Calif society in the 1970s) Jerry's Musical News - actually a magazine of Phono classified Ads - by Jerry Madsen Of course Hillandale News (now For the Record) - CLPGS and Talking Machine Review by Ernie Bayly (which petered out after he sold it) and this is just the Phono mags no longer with us, not counting the vintage record ones. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Amberola Graphic
OK, Anyone know how to contact him? He has seemed hard to reach in the past. -Barry On 12/23/2010 3:05 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: I'd appreciate the effort, Barry! Just make sure Martin doesn't object! Thanks John --Original Message------ From: Barry Kasindorf Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] New Amberola Graphic Sent: Dec 23, 2010 11:55 AM Hi, I subscribed to this a long time ago and have most of the issues Martin printed. I am not sure if he will ever make anymore but I assume not. I can scan them and make them available online if there is any interest. It will take a while to locate them and I may need a few fills. -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] New Amberola Graphic
Hi, I subscribed to this a long time ago and have most of the issues Martin printed. I am not sure if he will ever make anymore but I assume not. I can scan them and make them available online if there is any interest. It will take a while to locate them and I may need a few fills. -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Regina Hexaphone
Wow, Ken Danckaert is a master at Hexaphones. He talked me thru on the phone getting it going again. There is a trick I never ever would have figured out to pre-load the spring and get it working again. The problem with mine is that when it was changed to freeplay a small part was removed. Unfortunately when you do that it is very easy to over wind the mechanism and get it out of sync. Ken is going to try to help me make a replacement for that missing part. -Barry (a very relieved Hexaphone owner) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Regina Hexaphone
Hi, I am a relatively new owner of this amazing machine. I have a copy of the great article that explains how this 104 mechanism works. Unfortunately it has gotten out of sync and I don't see any service instructions on how to get it back in order. At first it had an extra revolution of the spring barrel before the it dropped the reproducer after it starts the motor, now the reproducer return spring is not disengaged when it starts. I don't want to break it. I don't know how to get it resynched. I thought it did this by itself after running a few times, one of the changes to the 104 but it doesn't seem to be. Any experts out there? -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Once upon a time,
I went thru some records recently with a friend and found some records I won at auction and just put away. We opened them to look. I won these in 1999 :-). I love going shopping in my basement, costs a lot less than ebay. But I had to stop bidding on record auctions because I kept winning the same records over and over again. Did it again 2 weeks ago. -Barry On 12/13/2010 12:44 AM, DanKj wrote: > Going through boxes of records which haven't been seen since buying them > is just like Christmas morning! " I have this? ooo, and this? wow, and > these! " > Discovering that I already had a record, but forgot & paid good money > for another copy - not as much fun as Xmas ... it's more like Tax Return > day. > > > - Original Message - From: > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 10:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Once upon a time, > > >> I understood. But finding a long laid away phono is like finding a new >> one :-) >> John ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Pathe Cylinder Machine
Looks like my Pathe Coq phono. Very cool machine. -Barry On 11/20/2010 10:10 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: > > > I bought this machine two years ago and just wondered if anyone knows what > model it is and timeframe of manufacture. It plays both standard size and > salon size cylinders. It is in fabulous condition, the picture makes it look > like it has a square spot on the front. That is the original decal and the > finish is almost perfect. I bought it because of the unusual horn carriage > and the fact that the works flip over and store inside the box, which then > looks like a jewelry box with a brass handle on top. Here is the picture: > http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=170190476338923&saved#!/photo.php?fbid=130673463639224&set=a.130672523639318.12387.130658956974008 > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Opera on ebay
So buy it and put the right horn on it. It is SN 37 very early. There are fiberglass elbows and repro horns. But it needs to be priced right. -Barry On 9/18/2010 10:25 PM, Steven Medved wrote: > > I believe the regular Cygnet horn neck would degrade the sound quality. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150494547251 >> >> Looks like Victor to me, too. Also has a regular Cygnet horn neck, not the >> special Opera neck. tsk >> >> >> >> >>> Item # 150494547251 >>> >>> Is it just me or does this Opera have a Victor wood horn modified to fit >>> this Opera? >>> >>> ___ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] VV crank
Hi, Anyone have a crank for a VV-80? The thread is larger than any spare cranks I have. It is an outside thread crank. Thanks -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph
This was for sale on Ebay a month or so ago. There was a debate if it was a crapaphone or really old. -Barry On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 1:49 PM, wrote: > Are you sure the item number is correct, I just searched for it and it came > up No longer available. > > Bruce > - Original Message - > From: "Bob" > To: "Phono L List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:44:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph > > Take a look at eBay item #70514114746 . Anyone know if this is an old piece > or a modern item? > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > -- -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
I think that many Ebay sellers claim ignorance about what the phono they are selling really is when they know full well it is junk. If this was a real onsite auction or estate sale you could more closely examine a piece, get a better feel for it and make a decision. No matter how many pictures you have on Ebay you really don't have the same feeling for an item as you do in person. Saying buyer beware is simplistic in this situation. You still need some sense of honesty and cooperation from the seller if there was a misunderstanding of what the item is instead of the usual glee taken when a novice collector or even a older collector in a hurry misunderstands what is for sale and gets taken. -Barry On 12/15/2009 11:26 PM, brice paris wrote: I am a little shocked here. Not sure who is being taken, item does not seem to be misrepresented and the pictures are clear. A bidder has a responsibility to follow through on their contract win or lose. What am I missing??? From: William Buchanan To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 6:20:44 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 Friends, It's a hard thing to admit that you've been taken, but the good thing is that it was not for much and I have not paid him yet. But if this is at least a real Victrola I will have no problems paying him. Can somebody tell me what I purchased? Ebay item 220523099867 They said it is a Victrola VV I-90 but it's not so what is this? Thank you Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
Kotton Kleanser is good stuff, I have used it, but someone said it leaves the finish soft. I think it works better than gojo. Gojo is very good at getting hand/finger smudge off where knobs and lids get used. -Barry Douglas Houston wrote: Oh, indeed. Go-Jo and most other waterless hand cleaners are available with pumice, and when you buy the stuff, you must look to get the right stuff. There is one that does the same thing, and is probably the same formulation. It's called Kotten Kleaner, or something like that. Good stuff, I understand, for about 3 times the price. [Original Message] From: Ron L'Herault To: Antique Phonograph List Date: 10/22/2009 11:59:06 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It is the waterless hand cleaner WITHOUT pumice. I use a product by L&D, I think it is that is sold in the hardware or laundry sections of the supermarket as both a hand cleaner and a material to remove oil/grease stains (which it does well, by the way). The brand is not as important as not having pumice. It does not remove/affect the shellac but it does cut through old hand oils, grease, wax build up. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston wrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black "finish" on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the one for auction, Victor changed name plates. At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the Go-Jo treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never seen a cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it going. I also have a 12-15 Electrola, and it's dynamite. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron To: Antique Phonograph List Date: 10/21/2009 10:04:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Thanks, Douglas. Needless to say, the novelty of seeing this visitor in my music room hasn't begun to lose its luster, and the XVIII will soon regain its. I thought of Go-Jo as well, at least as a first step. The black residue is dense here and there, but it must also be darkening the finish even where it doesn't appear to be built up to opaqueness. Andy On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Douglas Houston wrote: I've had my VV-XVIII for about 25 years. It took a moment to realize just what I was looking at, but $120.00 was a reasonable price, r
Re: [Phono-L] Paper cone for Polly Portable
A few years ago there was someone in Europe making reproductions. They had a lot of flower designs on them, don't have the person's email anymore. -Bary Ron L'Herault wrote: > I don't know. > > Ron L > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Chris Kocsis > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:20 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Paper cone for Polly Portable > > Thank you Ron, that is splendid suggestion. If I decide to sell the > player, would that affect the value? > > Chris > > Ron L'Herault wrote: >> How about coating it with shellac? It would add stiffness and maybe > improve >> function. >> >> Ron L >> >> -Original Message- >> From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] > On >> Behalf Of Chris Kocsis >> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:57 AM >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> Subject: [Phono-L] Paper cone for Polly Portable >> >> I just bought a Polly Portable Phonograph in good condition, but the >> paper cone "speaker" is rather worn and doesn't hold together very >> well. It's also lost a lot of stiffness, which I assume is necessary >> for best performance. Does anyone make a replacement or know of a spare? >> >> Best, >> >> Chris >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Peter Pan
The one I want and can't afford is the one with the clock in it. -Barry wayne wrote: Can someone tell me how many different Peter Pans are there.I have seen some that have a plate that says "push here to open" and some don't.Also,The name plate.Some have many pat.#'s and some have one pat #.Which is early or late.Thanks in advance. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem
In the 4 spring barrel, 2 of the barrels turn as the spring unwinds, if the barrels bind on something this can happen. Also I had one where the shaft was bent so the center spring barrels didn't turn correctly and only had 2 springs worth of power. -Barry Douglas Houston wrote: > This is a sticky one. I have a long shot thought. Victor has a procedure in > the service notes, that tells you whichn spring to load in the barrel, and > its direction of winding.Is it possible that one of the springs could have > nbeen installed in reverse? I'm not even sure if the motor could be nwound > if that were done, but as I've said, it's a long shot. > > I have one of those 4 spring jobs apart now, and I've got to study the > thing a lot before I re-pack the springs. > > (Maybe if you got one of those electric Credenzas like I have, you wouldn't > have this mess) > > Cheers > > Doug. Houston > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Ron L'Herault >> To: Antique Phonograph List ; >> > > >> Date: 4/29/2009 10:55:02 PM >> Subject: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem >> >> Hokay, list experts. I need help. The original problem was thumping >> springs. So, you take them out (done that many times) clean them, and >> reinstall/relube. This should be pretty straight forward. And these are >> > the > >> ones with the clip outer ends and bent over inner ends. They only go >> together one way. It winds up fine but only plays 4 sides before it >> > starts > >> to loose power and slow down when you try to play the 5th side. Sometimes >> it makes a bit of a scraping sound but nothing is hitting the turntable. >> What have I missed? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ron L >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From rvu...@comcast.net Thu Apr 30 08:55:31 2009 From: rvu...@comcast.net (Bob) Date: Thu Apr 30 09:01:16 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem References: <410-22009443014436...@earthlink.net> <003f01c9c9a2$a2148af0$5cd62...@ad.bu.edu> Message-ID: <82757b6148154cd28d5e2d2cc3f18...@your4dacd0ea75> Ron, Did you wind it fully and play it before you changed the grease to eliminate the thumping? If so how long did it play? A good four spring motor should run about 20 minutes. If it didn't, it's possible that the springs have lost some temper and are weak.The only other possibility is a bad record or needle but I'm sure you thought of that. Bob - Original Message - From: "Ron L" To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:47 AM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem >I do have an electric C. This is a repair for someone else. The neat > thing about the clip end/bent end springs is that it is impossible to > assemble them into the cans in the wrong direction. It is easy to mess > them up when you have rivets in the cans and holes on the springs. They > do > not wind up, and in fact will distort the spring centers, with the real > potential for breaking them. > > Ron L > > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] > On > Behalf Of Douglas Houston > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:05 AM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > This is a sticky one. I have a long shot thought. Victor has a procedure > in > the service notes, that tells you whichn spring to load in the barrel, and > its direction of winding.Is it possible that one of the springs could have > nbeen installed in reverse? I'm not even sure if the motor could be nwound > if that were done, but as I've said, it's a long shot. > > I have one of those 4 spring jobs apart now, and I've got to study the > thing a lot before I re-pack the springs. > > (Maybe if you got one of those electric Credenzas like I have, you > wouldn't > have this mess) > > Cheers > > Doug. Houston > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Ron L'Herault >> To: Antique Phonograph List ; > >> Date: 4/29/2009 10:55:02 PM >> Subject: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem >> >> Hokay, list experts. I need help. The original problem was thumping >> springs. So, you take them out (done that many times) clean them, and >> reinstall/relube. This should be pretty straight forward. And these are > the >> ones with the clip outer ends and bent over inner ends. They only go >> together one way. It winds up fine but only plays 4 sides before it > starts >> to loose power and slow down when you try to play the 5th side. >> Sometimes >> it makes a bit of a scraping sound but nothing is hitting the turntable. >> What have I missed? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ron L >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > ___
[Phono-L] [Fwd: Re: Phonograph collector needs help]
Maybe someone in the Fla area can help this gentleman. -Barry Original Message Subject:Re: Phonograph collector needs help Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 18:07:19 -0800 (PST) From: buck Buchanan Reply-To: ret.army...@yahoo.com To: Barry Kasindorf Barry, I just got my computer working again and I am still working out some of the bugs. I am sorry I did not respond earlier. Because of the injuries I have I like to stay busy, this way I am hopping I won't have to take as many pain pills. I don't mind spending a little money if it means that I can reduce the amount of pills I take. I don't know if you have ever been in a situation like mine but being drugged up all the time is not much of a life. I have had two units mailed to me one large and heavy portable which cost about $30.00, and a tall Edison which I had found part by part this one if you add it up was costly becuase I had so many boxes that I had to pay for shipping on. I don't think the table tops would be that expense if they have an external horn there will be possibly two boxes. My address is Bill Buchanan 11 Alabama Road South Lehigh Acres, Fl 33936 Let me know what you find out about the shipping. I would like to thank you for any help that you may be able to give me. Your Friend Bill --- On *Sun, 2/1/09, Barry Kasindorf //* wrote: From: Barry Kasindorf Subject: Re: Phonograph collector needs help To: ret.army...@yahoo.com Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 10:33 AM Hi, I need to know where you are located, so I can talk to someone nearby who can help. I do have junk machines that are good projects but adding in the postage may not make it affordable anymore. -Barry buck Buchanan wrote: > Barry, > > I hope you don't mind me writing you. > I was speaking with Merle Sprinzen (msprin...@juno.com), and he > suggested that I get in contact with you. > I am a disabled vet, I am current looking for a project machine (wind-up > phonograph type) to keep busy. I have turned to records and phonographs > as a way to deal with the pain of my injuries. Merle thought you might > have a source or knew of where I would be able to locate something > really cheap because the VA pays me very little and I have to support my > family on with they pay me and this leaves nothing for any thing else. > > If Merle was mistaken, I would like to apologize for disturbing you. > > Thank you > > Bill Buchanan > >
[Phono-L] Happy New Year
Hi List, In the spirit of the new year, I will ask again if someone has a part I have been looking for for a long time now. Maybe this is my year :-). I need a wooden needle tray for a Columbia Graphanola Deluxe, this is the same as the Regina 240 Reginaphone, large rounded console phonograph with carved lion's heads. It has 3 wooden needle trays (one for each type of needle) and a swing out metal bowl for used needles under a small hole in the wooden top to place the needle. I have this in Oak but need the Mahogany version. Thanks -Barry
[Phono-L] Cheap Opera
There were also wrong pictures on the net. I was there, the Vic VI was junk, and many of the other machines had issues that you could not see well from the pictures.The Opera's bedplate was re-painted (not by taite), the case was refinished, and the was not that great. Many others were refinished or common machines not worth paying the shipping. There were some very nice rare machines there, but not as many as other auctions at Skinner. Plus 20% BP and 5% tax. The clocks there went 50% over pre-estimates, some by 2X so it was not a publicity thing, just that phonos are down and clocks are up, and the top top stuff still gets the $$ and the mid and common stuff is way down. -Barry Jim Nichol wrote: > That's the same thought I had. How can they expect good bids on > unknown items? > > Jim > > On Aug 24, 2008, at 3:29 AM, ClockworkHome at aol.com wrote: > >> There were "10 Edison Reproducers"... but what were they? > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Mikiphone springs
Hi, Does anyone have replacement springs for a Mikiphone (Watch phonograph)? -Barry
[Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5V phonograph attachment
What is is is a way to play an early battery tube radio thru the phonograph horn. You replace the phono reproducer with this and bingo, a large radio horn that sounds better than the small versions of the time and desn;t take up space. They are a cool collectible, made by many people. -Barry ny victrolaman wrote: > So I was cleaning out some storage and came across what looks like a large > 1920s radio horn speaker driver, which I must have picked up someplace years > ago. It's about three inches in diameter, with a nine-foot cord, and it's > quite heavy for its size. (The driver itself tests very good.) On the top > it is embossed "Atwater Kent, Phila" and Type 5V. After doing some digging, > I found an old ad for it on that great AK website. The ad lists it as a > "Phonograph Attachment," but says nothing about what exactly that is, what > it does, and how exactly one would use it. I recall seeing some old ads > where something of this nature is sitting on a motorboard next to a > reproducer, but that tells me nothing. Does any out there know about these > things? Anyone own one, or is anyone looking for one? I'll be happy to > send you pictures if it'll help clear this up. Thanks in advance. > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] credenza
Cool, I was just going to ebay them. They work fine. -Barry VicDoc160 wrote: > I need 2 dashpots please, vicdoc160 at stny.rr.com > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor Credenza parts
Someone else wants the motor but not the board (its Walnut) and I do have the lid but it needs re-veneer on the top. Do you need the dashpot lifters? I also have those. -Barry Bill Boruff wrote: > Is this a Mahogany or Walnut machine? I need a motor board and lid > in Walnut. > Thanks, > Bill > On May 15, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Barry Kasindorf wrote: > >> Hi, >> I have parted out a 2 door Credenza and have case parts, horn, >> motor etc >> available if anyone needs parts before I Ebay them. >> -Barry >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor Credenza parts
I have the electric back panels for a 4door but it is in Mahogany, not walnut. -Barry Douglas Houston wrote: > I need a set of back panels for a Credenza. Mine is a 4 door model with > electric motor. I wonder how different they may be, though. I'd almost be > willing to try, if you have them. > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Barry Kasindorf >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> Date: 5/15/2008 1:16:01 PM >> Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Credenza parts >> >> Hi, >> I have parted out a 2 door Credenza and have case parts, horn, motor etc >> available if anyone needs parts before I Ebay them. >> -Barry >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor Credenza parts
I will check, I think the pullups are there. I may have the crank, it got put with the others and I need to find it. -Barry The gold pullups are there and the motor is in the middle. -Barry Daniel Melvin wrote: > I might be intrested in the motor and crank if you have them. Was the motor > on the right side or in the middle? Also, do you have the motor board pullup > knobs? > > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Barry Kasindorf > wrote: > >> Hi, >> I have parted out a 2 door Credenza and have case parts, horn, motor etc >> available if anyone needs parts before I Ebay them. >> -Barry >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor Credenza parts
Hi, I have parted out a 2 door Credenza and have case parts, horn, motor etc available if anyone needs parts before I Ebay them. -Barry
[Phono-L] VICTROLA TRANSPORTATION needed from CT to UNION, CAN YOU HELP?
Hi, Where in Ct and what is it? I may be going to Ohio in May and could get it that far. -Barry brice paris wrote: > Is there anyone out there who could transport a victrola from CT to Union in > June?? I am willing to pay for such help, or trade for free transportation > from the West coast for their goodies. If you can help I would be very > appreciative. > Also if anyone else needs phonograph transportation to Union from points > west of Union , please let me know and I will try to help you out. If given a > month or so head start I can usually arrange a pick up most any place out > here, and my trip to union is usually a zig zag from Southern oregon. Let me > know of any needs and I will see what I can do to help. > If some one were headed to the Chicago area before union , but wasn't going > to Union , I can arrange for a drop off that will store it until Union. I > know how expensive gas is and I am sure my payment for hauling the victrola > will be welcome if we can work it out . Your consideration and help will be > appreciated. Thanks brice > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From mdsor...@aol.com Sat Feb 23 17:04:37 2008 From: mdsor...@aol.com (mdsor...@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 25 10:27:26 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Record Storage Rack In-Reply-To: <22652.94726...@web37010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <22652.94726...@web37010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8ca44985c6d6e25-14cc-1...@webmail-ne03.sysops.aol.com> I have one made by Jerry and I love it!? I have attached a photo that was taken during one of the Golden State Phonograph Society (CA Chapter of MAPS) at my house last yearyou can see the cylinder rack in the center.? I would highly recommend them! Thanks Jerry! Mike Sorter -Original Message- From: DeeDee Blais To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 2:31 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Record Storage Rack For the last few years, I've sold cylinder record storage racks at Union. I currently have none available but if there was interest, I could make a few more. They hold eighty eight cylinders and it displays them nicely on the wall. The rack will hold 6" XLP cylinders if desired. The cost is $200 delivered to Union. Please contact me off list if interested. Thanks, Jerry Blais Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1772.JPG Type: image/pjpeg Size: 1522637 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20080223/26a96d8c/IMG_1772-0001.bin From lo...@oldcrank.com Mon Feb 25 11:01:35 2008 From: lo...@oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Mon Feb 25 11:13:03 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Record Storage Rack In-Reply-To: <8ca44985c6d6e25-14cc-1...@webmail-ne03.sysops.aol.com> References: <22652.94726...@web37010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8ca44985c6d6e25-14cc-1...@webmail-ne03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2dd02471-e177-4e20-a0a0-0dc440d3b...@oldcrank.com> Oops, the photo attachment was my fault folks. The system caught it and I approved it by accident. For the record, Phono-L does not (normally) allow attachments. Sorry, Loran From appywan...@hotmail.com Mon Feb 25 11:02:31 2008 From: appywan...@hotmail.com (John Maeder) Date: Mon Feb 25 11:13:15 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Interesting Edison item on Craigslist Message-ID: Here's an interesting piece of Edisonia . . . is this as early as the patent indicates? Don't know if the price is good or not. John http://huntsville.craigslist.org/grd/580738136.html From gbogan...@charter.net Mon Feb 25 12:17:18 2008 From: gbogan...@charter.net (Greg Bogantz) Date: Mon Feb 25 12:17:43 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Interesting Edison item on Craigslist References: Message-ID: <003101c877eb$6ba95ae0$6400a...@hpa1514n> That's an Edison motor-dynamo. The design of it would date to the invention of the incandescent lamp in 1879 or thereabouts, so the 1882 patent date is probably right. Edison had to invent the entire power generation, distribution, and consumer product line of products right along with the lamp to ensure that there was a market for the lamp products. He literally had to invent the entire market for distributed-power electricity in the home and much of industry and small businesses. Most people either don't know this or have forgotten it in all the hoopla over the lamp and the phonograph. Unlike Rockefeller and Vanderbilt in his own
[Phono-L] items for sale
Yes, sorry A Par-o-ket is a portable phono with weird horn as I remember, brain cramp. -Barry Bob Johnson wrote: > What the heck is a Par-O-Ket? Do you mean the Keen-O-Phone? Bob > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Barry Kasindorf > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 2:55 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] items for sale > > I would love an Idealia, can't afford it yet (let me see those lottery > tickets I bought...). > > Still interested in the Par-o-ket. > -Barry > > > Bob Johnson wrote: >> OK folks.after 25+ years of collecting, I am starting to sell a few of our >> phonographs..Here are some that I will post on ebay if no one wants them > on >> this list: Columbia Grand in Circassian Walnut, $7,500, Columbia Symphony >> Grand, Restored (looks like upright piano) $8,500, Columbia "School" > model, >> restored with wheels, $2,000, Edison Idelia, bedplate restored, S.N. > 65841, >> mahogany cygnet horn, excellent reproduction lid, shaver, etc. $25,000, >> Victrola model XX with gold gilding, 18 of these are known to exist, S.N. >> 8425, $12,000, Flat Top VTLA S.N. 538, $6000, Flat Top VTLA S.N. 902, >> $5,500. Others in our collection might be available. Go to our website > and >> check out the 250+ phonographs. www.mrvictor.com > <http://www.mrvictor.com/> >> Email me if you have an interest. bjohn...@mrvictor.com Thanks. Bob >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From cdh...@earthlink.net Tue Feb 20 10:58:27 2007 From: cdh...@earthlink.net (Douglas Houston) Date: Tue Feb 20 12:37:54 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor RE-57 found - unmolested! Message-ID: <410-220072220185827...@earthlink.net> I've had a few RE-57s over the years, in a range of condition. The most Iever paid for one (and the nicest one I've had) was $85.00, and it had the mike and recording weight.everything. Now, I have to allow that it was a good price, even for the AWA meet at Rochester, but I also think that 500 smackers is about 400-450 bucks too much. If it's the only one you've seen and you need it to keep on breathing, O.K., but I'd just advise that dealer to take good care of it, 'cause he'e apt to have it for a long time. > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 2/18/2007 11:02:05 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Victor RE-57 found - unmolested! > > > Hello all, > If anyone is interested, I just looked at a Victor RE-57 > Radio-Phonograph-Recorder with a good looking case, all the hardware. Apparently complete! The > person at the antique store did not know anything about it as it belongs to > his partner who was not there. It is priced at $500. > It is located at the McMillen Antique Store at McMillen, WA near Sumner > and Orting which are both near Tacoma. > > > Rick A. Jorgensen > 18021 - 150th Avenue East > Orting, WA 98360 USA > > _"OLD MUSIC at AMERICAN GRAMOPHONE & WIRELESS Co._ > (http://members.aol.com/AGW1886/) > http://members.aol.com/AGW1886/ > > _GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION_ > (http://members.aol.com/AGW1888/geaahome.htm) > http://members.aol.com/AGW1888/geaahome.htm > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor 10-50X in Baltimore
Hi, I found a 10-50X in MD that needs work but is all there and restorable. If interested I can forward the email address and some pictures, reply off list. -Barry From steve_nor...@msn.com Thu Jan 18 19:11:13 2007 From: steve_nor...@msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Thu Jan 18 19:11:21 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Protected Bidding on ebay! Message-ID: Only a complete idiot would assume that their actions were now "hidden" by the Bidder X label. Rich I refer to the cheats, there are many idiots on eBay. The last time I bid on an Alva one such idiot wrote me and said he had many Alvas for sale. I believe eBay is going to this system to get rid of this problem, I think it would be equally effective if they used a cut off of 200 positive feedbacks as most of the cheats are new to eBay and are quickly removed. I agree, eBay is here to stay and at least they are making an attempt to cut down on the cheaters. The cheaters must be costing them money as that is the only way they act, when they benefit. Best regards, Steve From steve_nor...@msn.com Thu Jan 18 19:18:29 2007 From: steve_nor...@msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Thu Jan 18 19:18:36 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Protected Bidding on ebay! Message-ID: Or, there is also the remote possibility that they also have been fooled. Rich True, but many times people like you have been of tremendous assistance to me. I consider you one of these experts and I appreciate them all. Steve From rich-m...@octoxol.com Thu Jan 18 22:23:50 2007 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Thu Jan 18 22:24:03 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Protected Bidding on ebay! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070119062353.92a6f296...@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> It may be sad commentary on the state of commerce, but I have found that almost all companies only act when it is negatively impacting the bottom line. This is why eBay is also hot on the excessive shipping cost issue. For those that care, there is a link on every active auction down at the very bottom in the "What else can you do?" section and the 4th item over from the left is "Report this item". It is only a couple of mouse clicks to report excessive shipping charges and no explanation is required. Rich On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:11:13 -0500, Steven Medved wrote: >Only a complete idiot would assume that their actions were now "hidden" by the >Bidder X label. Rich > >I refer to the cheats, there are many idiots on eBay. The last time I bid on >an Alva one such idiot wrote me and said he had many Alvas for sale. I believe eBay is going to this system to get rid of this problem, I think it would be equally effective if they used a cut off of 200 positive feedbacks as most of the cheats are new to eBay and are quickly removed. I agree, eBay is here to stay and at least they are making an attempt to cut down on the cheaters. The cheaters must be costing them money as that is the only way they act, when they benefit. > >Best regards, > >Steve___ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Stanton's and a crank
Hi, If anyone in New England or New York wants to give Stanton's auctions some things to sell, he will be in Boston Wed and Thursday 1/3/07 and 1/4 with a truck to take things for the auction in April. Contact him if you have things for him to take. In addition I am in need of a short slotted crank for an Edison suitcase home. Supposedly there were reproductions made but I can't find anyone who sells them now. Thanks -Barry
[Phono-L] UPS/packing
I thought I bought all your expensive Phonos recently, hand delivered :-). -Barry PS the MAPS meeting is 2/10 at Kirk's house. bob wrote: > FedEx used to be the best way to ship. Not anymore. I took a very > expensive phonograph there a week of so ago. It had to go Arizona from the > Boston area and FedEx ground was considerably cheaper than Priority Mail and > only took a few days more. However when I told the clerk that I wanted to > insure it for over $3000 I got quite a surprise. I was prepared to prove > the value was accurate. I had the buyers Cashiers check with the item > description in the memo section, a copy of the invoice that I attached to > the package and even a recent appraisal form a well known dealer. However > the clerk told me that as of Jan 6th the maximum insurance on antiques > shipped FedEx ground was $100. The max for air shipments is $500. The > reason she gave is that if the item is broken or lost FedEx can't replace > it. I guess the powers that make the rules at FedEx don't have a clue about > eBay and the vast collector's market that it has spawned. FedEx's loss will > be UPS's gain. They're still better than the Post Office on large heavy > items. > RMV > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Stitt" > To: "phono" > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 12:47 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] UPS/packing > > > >>I have often wondered why UPS doesn't have a special antique delivery >>service. Say a 25.00 charge to handle the box carefully. For you money >>they promise not to kick it, throw it on conveyor belts (or at least not >>to miss it), stack heavy boxes on it and have the driver not toss it to >>the ground! I would pay it. Why can't UPS be more like Fed-Ex, a >>slightly better shipper. I really don't think it is possible any more to >>package to UPS's "we should not have broken it standard". I do not know >>what has happened to that company but they don't seem to care anymore. I >>tease my UPS driver that if I need 3/4 minus all I have to do is ship >>some big rocks! Can you imagine the revenues from such a charge? Maybe >>they make to much money now and just don't care. It's a hell of a note >>when the post office is faster and gentler, and maybe cheaper. >>Mike oldcranky >>BTW Fragile is not a term UPS seems to allow. It is not necessary to >>mark the box with "FRAGILE"..You must package it so they can't break >>it. Yep that's right, they do not recognize the term. >> >>___ >>Phono-L mailing list >>Phono-L@oldcrank.org >> >>Phono-L Archive >>http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.0/248 - Release Date: 2/1/2006 >> >> > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Aretino spindles
Hi, I have the Aretino 3" spindles done, they came out nicely. If anyone still needs one, they are $30 + $5 shipping. -Barry
[Phono-L] Arentino phono parts
Hi, I am making the 3" turntable spindle casting, the one with "pat apl'd for" on it. It will be an iron sand casting. If anyone else needs one let me know I can make extras. -Barry
[Phono-L] Phonographs as an Investment
I have a slightly different take. I have been collecting since I was in my 20's and could barely afford a standard and a few cylinders (even at those prices back then). Then in the 80's when things got so expensive I sold most of it and collected other things. Now that I am older and financially better off, I can afford to have phonographs in my collection I could only dream about before. The fact most of them have stayed around the same price while my income has gone up has allowed me to get them. I have a player piano that was $25K in the 80s and I got it for $5K now. I am very glad I didn't spend the money back then, but because of the slump I get to have one. I collect them to play and have fun with. People tell me that I would be better off selling all the small stuff and get a few nice ones. But that is not nearly as much fun. Having a variety and number of differing things is why I collect. Looking at the same 2 nice phonos is not as much fun as shopping and turning over and repairing many. I don't do it as an investment, but if I spent my time eating out or buying cloths, I would have nothing of any value when I was done, at least a phono is worth something when I get tired of it and move on to another. I make the investment profit by buying smartly and being able to repair what I get and improve it for the next owner. -Barry zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: > hi rene et al > well said!!! > you are far better off to have one or two super machine than a dozen > mediocre ones. > If you had a polyphone, class m, zonophone grand opera, or edison idelia or > any of that caliber you would find a demand for them and prices that go with > it. > Most edison , victor, and columbia machines have not changed much in price. > As a good friend of mine once said ''buy the best you can afford and enjoy > it, its not the number you get but the quality that pays the dividends." > best to all > zono > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] measurements from an Automatic reproducer
Hi list, If anyone out there has an automatic reproducer and a digital calipers I need a favor. I have a friend who can make me a limit screw which is missing from mine. I only have a sample from a standard speaker and it is too short. I need an exact measurement of the diameters and the distance between the shoulder and the head of the screw (the travel area for the weight). Since the diameters of the stops might also be different, the diameter of the stop shoulder and head would also help. Thanks -Barry
[Phono-L] New Victor Orthophonic diaphrams
Hi, I got 2 of these off Ebay recently from Lee Kirk, Anyone use these and have any luck with them? I was told it would never be done because the tooling was too expensive but these look like they will work OK. You have to install your own spider. -Barry
