At 16:46 07.06.2002, Joseph Tate wrote:
How much of C has been reused, and reused and reused again? There is no oo
in stdlib.
Ah come on there is no oo in c.
You should have asked for C++ and STL (and that is very much of code reuse
even though its pro is its main foe: it is so much of reuse
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 09:27:13AM -0500, Jason T. Greene wrote:
IMO, one of the big reasons for having a powerful OO mode, and
continually evolving php to have a bigger target than just a web
programming language, is code re-usability.
You do not need OO for this. OO just helps you to manage
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 09:27:13AM -0500, Jason T. Greene wrote:
IMO, one of the big reasons for having a powerful OO mode, and
continually evolving php to have a bigger target than just a web
programming language, is code re-usability.
You do not need OO for this. OO just helps you to
Am Donnerstag, 6. Juni 2002 19:59 schrieb Dan Hardiker:
I sit in many PHP channels (IRC), and observe many class-based
PHP networks (php-classes.org is one I monitor closely) and
can say definatly that the majority of PHP users want *more*
OO capabilities in PHP.
From a marketing POV, what
Am Donnerstag, 6. Juni 2002 19:59 schrieb Dan Hardiker:
I sit in many PHP channels (IRC), and observe many class-based
PHP networks (php-classes.org is one I monitor closely) and
can say definatly that the majority of PHP users want *more*
OO capabilities in PHP.
[..]
So when users ask for
--- Dan Hardiker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 6. Juni 2002 19:59 schrieb Dan Hardiker:
I sit in many PHP channels (IRC), and observe many class-based
PHP networks (php-classes.org is one I monitor closely) and
can say definatly that the majority of PHP users want *more*
OO
How much of C has been reused, and reused and reused again? There is no oo
in stdlib.
-Original Message-
Code reusability is a psychological issue. You can reuse code in PHP 4,
and it'll be even better in 5 - PEAR is a clear demonstration of
this. Whether people actually end up
At 05:46 PM 6/7/2002, Joseph Tate wrote:
How much of C has been reused, and reused and reused again? There is no oo
in stdlib.
Exactly. C is one of the easiest languages for code reuse, but it totally
depends on your programming habits and skill. As a matter of fact, I find
Java to be one
At 06:14 PM 6/7/2002, Jason T. Greene wrote:
True, I hear it is even possible to reuse code in COBOL : )
I believe that the ease of maintenance depends purely on the language.
i.e. using a strictly procedural language for a large framework can be
quite messy. Have you ever seen large libraries
At 07:01 PM 6/6/2002, brad lafountain wrote:
Please don't reply to this email saying Use Java... Because php is different
than java and always will be even with these new features.
Brad, I beg you, there's nothing anybody can say on this list that would
lead this to closure. Nothing. I
--- Zeev Suraski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 07:01 PM 6/6/2002, brad lafountain wrote:
Please don't reply to this email saying Use Java... Because php is different
than java and always will be even with these new features.
Brad, I beg you, there's nothing anybody can say on this list that
Brad, I beg you, there's nothing anybody can say on this list that would
lead this to closure. Nothing. I believe that adding the things you
mentioned does indeed turn PHP into Java, just a messy Java, Java which is
worse at being Java than the real one is, and torn apart when compared
At 08:26 PM 6/6/2002, brad lafountain wrote:
--- Zeev Suraski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 07:01 PM 6/6/2002, brad lafountain wrote:
Please don't reply to this email saying Use Java... Because php is
different
than java and always will be even with these new features.
Brad, I beg you,
I believe the OO level we have in ZE2 is the upper limit
of what a scripting language should have. There's no doubt in my mind
that going beyond that is going to complicate the language beyond what
our average users want.
I would have to disagree to this statement extremly. It would not
--- Zeev Suraski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 08:26 PM 6/6/2002, brad lafountain wrote:
--- Zeev Suraski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 07:01 PM 6/6/2002, brad lafountain wrote:
Please don't reply to this email saying Use Java... Because php is
different
than java and always will be
A couple of months ago it was agreed on how to get multiple inheritance
like behavior in a way which could work with PHP. I just haven't had time
to implement it yet.
The talk was about aggregation of instances of classes with auto-proxy.
So you'd do something like:
class foo extends bar
Andi,
Before you go ahead with this I would like to discuss it some more too. I'm
wondering if we can fully support MI but i don't want to start this
conversation now.
btw: i like the contains better than aggergates.
- brad
--- Andi Gutmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A couple of months ago
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Alex Black wrote:
then PHP is pretty schitzo because someone made a GTK extensions for it that
seems to be supported by the core group. That's for building GUI
applications last I checked. (Actually the model was so good we're using it
in binarycloud!)
GTK is just a cute
Andi Gutmans wrote:
The talk was about aggregation of instances of classes with auto-proxy.
I think that's called delegation, not aggregation. Have a look at what
the JavaLab guys at my University are doing under the term
delegation:
http://javalab.cs.uni-bonn.de/research/darwin/
i really agree with brad.
actually,
im the kind of person that would like php to turn into java while still
having the php look and feel.
i did a few courses of java my employer send me to and i really appreciate
OO now that i got a taste of it.
because of these courses i started programingen
Aggregation sometimes involves delegation. The 'parent' object delegates
requests to the right aggregated objects (in other cases, the 'parent'
object returns its aggregated objects and you use them directly).
Zeev
At 10:43 PM 6/6/2002, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
Andi Gutmans wrote:
The
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