Hi,
As a PHP security advocate for the last few years, I can tell you that
Curt is absolutely correct. In fact, poor open source applications written
in PHP are the top reason why PHP is considered insecure by the
programming community at large. This is a myth that is very difficult to
--- Yann Larrivee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I personally dont beleive in this. It is juste another way to make
money ;) Every body in the indeustry should know that.
Disclaimer: I assisted in the creation of the Zend PHP Certification.
You're right - this is another way to make money. However,
--- Yann Larrivee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry another reply, there use to be the .geek php certification that
was annonced on php.net then was removed right off like 2 days
after)
Was it cause of some pressure of a companie and group of people?
You tell me.
OK, I will. No.
It was not
--- John Nichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Know what helps me get php jobs? A resume that details almost 6
years of php programming.
Disclaimer: I assisted in the creation of the Zend PHP Certification.
This is a very good point. However, and I'm speaking from experience, how
do you verify
--- Curt Zirzow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OSS doesn't make a person better programmer, you can easily write
an OSS app and still lack any knowledge of proper writting.
As a PHP security advocate for the last few years, I can tell you that
Curt is absolutely correct. In fact, poor open source
--- Dan Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its good that there's a PHP Cert, PHP/Zend should endorse one.
http://www.zend.com/store/education/certification/zend-php-certification.php
Chris
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HTTP Developer's
--- John Nichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not big on certs myself. How many MCSE's have we seen who can't
find the power switch? ;)
This was a big concern for me when working with Zend on their
certification. Especially in the open source communities, certifications
are not considered to
Chris Shiflett wrote:
--- John Nichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not big on certs myself. How many MCSE's have we seen who can't
find the power switch? ;)
This was a big concern for me when working with Zend on their
certification. Especially in the open source communities, certifications
are
Well i think in a way that getting programmers certified is one thing. I
also think that there might be a need for software certification.
Where it would validate that the standars have been fallowed, check the
quality of the code, check for security, check for proper docummentation
(comments,
--- John Nichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I understand where you're coming from, and I'm sure with your
involvement in the project it will be top notch. I've always been
impressed with your work, and am eagerly awaiting your O'Reilly
book. ;)
Thanks for the compliments. :-)
I'm behind
Chris Shiflett wrote:
--- John Nichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I understand where you're coming from, and I'm sure with your
involvement in the project it will be top notch. I've always been
impressed with your work, and am eagerly awaiting your O'Reilly
book. ;)
Thanks for the compliments.
-Original Message-
Of course, we tried very hard to make this one have a fair amount of value
but not just be difficult for the sake of being difficult.
Why not offer multiple PHP certifications varied by topic and complexity?
Will certs expire?
=)
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Well i think in a way that getting programmers certified is one thing. I
also think that there might be a need for software certification.
Where it would validate that the standars have been fallowed, check the
quality of the code, check for security, check for proper docummentation
* Thus wrote Yann Larrivee:
For shure a beginner will benefit from this has it is problably give him
a salary increase compared to the guy that is not certified (we all know
that php developper are under paid) So this part is good.
It will also eliminate some people out of the market for shure
their doing to keep the ship floating
but nevertheless it's an easier sell if you have certified php developers
on board.
-Brent
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From: Curt Zirzow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PHP List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP Oficial
Hmm... there are no practice exams posted...
I just saw that: http://www.phparch.com/cert/
-Dan Joseph
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From: Dan Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just saw that: http://www.phparch.com/cert/
Hmm... there are no practice exams posted...
See here: http://www.phparch.com/discuss/index.php/t/710/235/
---John Holmes...
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Hi,
Know what helps me get php jobs? A resume that details almost 6 years
of php programming.
That's what most employers want. Certifications are a lot of times
looked at as watered down, and over-issued. A lot of companies also use
them as training pieces with their internal staff,
[snip]
...certification stuff...
[/snip]
I am certified.
So they tell me. And Nichel too. Probably Holmes. Defiinitely Wong,
maybe wight.
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Dan Joseph wrote:
Hi,
Know what helps me get php jobs? A resume that details almost 6 years
of php programming.
That's what most employers want. Certifications are a lot of times
looked at as watered down, and over-issued. A lot of companies also use
them as training pieces with their
John Holmes wrote:
From: Dan Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just saw that: http://www.phparch.com/cert/
Hmm... there are no practice exams posted...
See here: http://www.phparch.com/discuss/index.php/t/710/235/
---John Holmes...
Cool...I was wondering why we haven't seen him around lately.
From: Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Probably Holmes.
Not officially. Might look into it, though, but this is really just a hobby
for me. :)
I think that if you've been on the list for over a year, you should be
certified automatically. heh...
---John Holmes...
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Jay Blanchard wrote:
[snip]
...certification stuff...
[/snip]
I am certified.
So they tell me. And Nichel too. Probably Holmes. Defiinitely Wong,
maybe wight.
I don't think *THAT* 'cert' will help us in the job market. ;)
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[snip]
Probably Holmes.
Not officially. Might look into it, though, but this is really just a
hobby
for me. :)
I think that if you've been on the list for over a year, you should be
certified automatically. heh...
[/snip]
I can see it now
If you have replied 'RTFM more than once a week,
John Holmes wrote:
From: Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Probably Holmes.
Not officially. Might look into it, though, but this is really just a
hobby for me. :)
I think that if you've been on the list for over a year, you should be
certified automatically. heh...
---John Holmes...
WooHooI
* Thus wrote John Nichel:
John Holmes wrote:
From: Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Probably Holmes.
Not officially. Might look into it, though, but this is really just a
hobby for me. :)
I think that if you've been on the list for over a year, you should be
certified
This one time, at band camp, Marcos Thiago M. Fabis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just saw that: http://www.phparch.com/cert/
What do they mean by 'official' certification?
Is this sanctioned by php.net?
Kevin
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On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 18:07, Kevin Waterson wrote:
This one time, at band camp, Marcos Thiago M. Fabis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just saw that: http://www.phparch.com/cert/
What do they mean by 'official' certification?
Is this sanctioned by php.net?
Not at all.
I personally dont
Sorry another reply, there use to be the .geek php certification that
was annonced on php.net then was removed right off like 2 days after)
Was it cause of some pressure of a companie and group of people ? You
tell me.
It was not really professional according to me, but you cant kill the
Yann Larrivee wrote:
Hostely, what kind of market value does the certification has? Go get
sun certified at least it has some sort of history and value.
Hmmm... I guess that would depend if you're trying to get a job with Sun
or with PHP, wouldn't it??
Just like any other certification, this
only help the PHP community, not hurt it.
-Brent
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From: John Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Yann Larrivee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: PHP General [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP Oficial Certification
Yann Larrivee wrote
What is a PHP certification anyway.
TO see if you know the modules/functions ? Or see if you know how to
programme well.
If you wanna show if you can programme well, sun would do the job.
Yann
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* Thus wrote Yann Larrivee:
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 18:07, Kevin Waterson wrote:
This one time, at band camp, Marcos Thiago M. Fabis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just saw that: http://www.phparch.com/cert/
What do they mean by 'official' certification?
Is this sanctioned by php.net?
* Thus wrote Yann Larrivee:
What is a PHP certification anyway.
go and take the practice test and find out.
TO see if you know the modules/functions ? Or see if you know how to
programme well.
Just hope they dont run it through a spel checker.
If you wanna show if you can programme
Yann Larrivee wrote:
If you wanna show if you can programme well, sun would do the job.
I burn easily. HTF is a Sun certification going to help you get a PHP
job? Like Curt said, take the practice test and then decide.
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- Original Message -
From: Yann Larrivee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: John Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: PHP General [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP Oficial Certification
What is a PHP certification anyway.
TO see if you know the modules
John Holmes wrote:
Yann Larrivee wrote:
If you wanna show if you can programme well, sun would do the job.
I burn easily. HTF is a Sun certification going to help you get a PHP
job? Like Curt said, take the practice test and then decide.
Know what helps me get php jobs? A resume that details
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 03:18:31 +, Curt Zirzow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
go and take the practice test and find out.
It is late and I am probably just missing it, but how do you take the
practice exams? Do you have to buy something before you can take
them?
Anyone know?
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Zirzow
Cc: PHP General
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP Oficial Certification
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 03:18:31 +, Curt Zirzow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
go and take the practice test and find out.
It is late and I am probably just missing it, but how do you take the
practice exams? Do you have
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:52:12 -0700, Ed Lazor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The site has a spot where you can search for locations in your area that
give the test. Buy a voucher and then call the nearest place giving the
test and schedule to take it.
I was thinking there was (hopefully free)
Exactly it think that experience is probably the only valuable thing
there is.
For shure a beginner will benefit from this has it is problably give him
a salary increase compared to the guy that is not certified (we all know
that php developper are under paid) So this part is good.
It will also
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