On 28/07/07, Larry Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If indirectly affecting the market so that prices change counts as stealing,
then Coke and Pepsi build their business models around stealing from each
other.
Apache/PHP/MySQL are then stealing actual money from Microsoft, because they
On Fri, July 27, 2007 6:28 pm, Larry Garfield wrote:
On Friday 27 July 2007, Richard Lynch wrote:
If indirectly affecting the market so that prices change counts as
stealing,
then Coke and Pepsi build their business models around stealing from
each
other.
Apache/PHP/MySQL are then stealing
On Wed, July 25, 2007 5:15 am, David Powers wrote:
Richard Lynch wrote:
At no point did I intend to sound unsympathetic to your plight!
I only wanted to make it clear that 99.9% of musicians are in
the
same boat with you, despite what you read in the newspapers.
Understood. I simply
On Mon, July 23, 2007 6:00 am, David Powers wrote:
The Harry Potter books have sold an estimated 325 million copies. Even
if the author gets only 10 cents a book, that adds up to $32.5
million.
I'm sure she gets a lot more than 10 cents a book, but it's the number
of books sold that makes the
On Mon, July 23, 2007 4:41 am, Sancar Saran wrote:
Those publishers ripping the authors then they blame the pirates...
Real steal was %95 of book prices
Do feel free to start your own publishing company and print up some
books at prices you consider more fair.
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On 27/07/07, Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Piracy does not hurt the big boys in the least bit.
They simply jack up the price for honest folk.
You're only stealing, yes, Larry, actual money :-), from hard-working
individuals who pay MORE for their legit copy when you pirate.
That's
Hey,
They simply jack up the price for honest folk.
You're only stealing, yes, Larry, actual money :-),
from hard-working
individuals who pay MORE for their legit copy when
you pirate.
That is the end effect.
That is why it really IS theft.
Since this has been done to death in the
On Friday 27 July 2007, Richard Lynch wrote:
Understood. I simply want to lay to rest the idea that piracy is
somehow OK because it's getting back at the big boys, who can
afford
it anyway. Piracy also hits hard-working individuals, to whom the
loss
of income usually does make a
On Wed 25 Jul 07 03:09, tedd wrote:
Nah, let's make it a brain teaser. Where can these be found?
The Little Rasmus
O Rasmus, Rasmus, where art thou Rasmus?
Rasmus?! Rasmus?! We don't need no stinking Rasmus.
Reading, writing, and Rasmus
Four score and seven Rasmus ago...
In the beginning
On 25/07/07, Eddie Dunckley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed 25 Jul 07 05:36, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 25/07/07, tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry, I've been up for 48 hours -- it's a boy, 8 lb 9 oz -- time
to get some sleep. Maybe tomorrow my son will finally decide on a
name -- the ninth
Richard Lynch wrote:
At no point did I intend to sound unsympathetic to your plight!
I only wanted to make it clear that 99.9% of musicians are in the
same boat with you, despite what you read in the newspapers.
Understood. I simply want to lay to rest the idea that piracy is
somehow OK
On 25/07/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rasmus does Dallas I, II, and III
Tsk, tsk, Debbie Does DocType has already been mentioned...
I don't remember any other php-general thread going over 200 messages
before. This is turning into fedora-users...
Dotan Cohen
On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 08:57 +0200, Eddie Dunckley wrote:
some popular PHP scifi movies..
Close encounters with the Rasmus Kind.
The Rasmus. (hint matrix). *top seller*
Rasmus, the Last Frontier
Back to the Rasmus part I, II and III
Rasminator I,II and III
The Rasmus Identity,
Twelve
On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 17:24 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 25/07/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rasmus does Dallas I, II, and III
Tsk, tsk, Debbie Does DocType has already been mentioned...
Bah, I missed it :)
Cheers,
Rob.
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[snip]
Rasmus Lerdorf and the Deathly Hallows
Rasmus Lerdorf and the Order of the PHP
Rasmus Lerdorf and the Order of Function Arguments
Rasmus Lerdorf, Lord of the Code
Rasmus Lerdorf and the Half-Assed Coder
[/snip]
Rasmus Lerdorf and The Coders're Stoned
Arrays 11
Lerdorf - A PHPdoc
On Tuesday 24 July 2007 06:02, Ryan A wrote:
Instead of clip tags, I recommend that you configure your mail client
to prepend a greater than sign to quotes. It's rather customary, if
not standard.
Sorry about that, its driving me crazy too. I have to manually do it if
I want it (like
On Tuesday 24 July 2007, tedd wrote:
Sorry, I've been up for 48 hours -- it's a boy, 8 lb 9 oz -- time to
get some sleep. Maybe tomorrow my son will finally decide on a name
-- the ninth grand-kid. Maybe he'll name him Rasmus. God, I hope
not. :-)
Cheers,
tedd
Yay, congrats!
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On Sat, July 21, 2007 3:34 am, Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
On Saturday 21 July 2007 16:20, Jim Lucas wrote:
more then likely, recycling a stack of newspapers would cost more
then
running my computer for a month.
Also reminds me of how some people (especially Americans) who drive
miles
and
On Sat, July 21, 2007 6:42 am, David Powers wrote:
Richard Lynch wrote:
I've got a pretty good idea what your advance was, and what your
royalties are.
I'm under no illusion that the 2,000+ downloads of my book would have
turned into legitimate sales if illegal copies weren't available. But
This is sucks,
Those publishers ripping the authors then they blame the pirates...
Real steal was %95 of book prices
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Sancar
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On Monday 23 July 2007 08:45, Ryan A wrote:
Disagree again, if Adam uploads or not, there is a whole bunch of stuff
out there that he cant hope to download in a lifetime.
It was never mentioned *when* Adam uploaded his file, it could've been
when the site first started out and uploads then
Sancar Saran wrote:
Those publishers ripping the authors then they blame the pirates...
Real steal was %95 of book prices
No, the author gets 10% of what the publisher gets. If you look at
prices on Amazon or other online bookstores, you'll see that 35-40%
discount is common. So, a $40
On Monday 23 July 2007 12:20:50 David Powers wrote:
Sancar Saran wrote:
Those publishers ripping the authors then they blame the pirates...
Real steal was %95 of book prices
No, the author gets 10% of what the publisher gets. If you look at
prices on Amazon or other online
Sancar Saran wrote:
It was still ripping, They got 18 USD you got 2 USD.
Out of that $18, the publisher has to pay the editor, copy editor,
technical reviewer, compositor, printer, etc, etc. Unless the book sells
several thousand copies, the publisher normally makes a loss.
I'm not
sure
Hmmm
PHP: Order of Objects
PHP: Deadly functions
Oh never mind.
I think we still missing the point main purpose of those books spreading the
information. The other things have to come second.
Only editor was you. Without you all of them useless.
I thing they set up good game here. You
Sancar Saran wrote:
I think we still missing the point main purpose of those books spreading the
information. The other things have to come second.
Everybody has to eat. If spreading information means I can't afford to
eat, I'll stop writing books. It's as simple as that.
Ironically
On Monday 23 July 2007, David Powers wrote:
Sancar Saran wrote:
It was still ripping, They got 18 USD you got 2 USD.
Out of that $18, the publisher has to pay the editor, copy editor,
technical reviewer, compositor, printer, etc, etc. Unless the book sells
several thousand copies, the
On Monday 23 July 2007 22:26, Larry Garfield wrote:
So when does Rasmus Lerdorf and the Deathly Hallows open in theaters?
They've got to make Rasmus Lerdorf and the Order of the PHP first.
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On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 23:09 +0800, Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
On Monday 23 July 2007 22:26, Larry Garfield wrote:
So when does Rasmus Lerdorf and the Deathly Hallows open in theaters?
They've got to make Rasmus Lerdorf and the Order of the PHP first.
But before that comes Rasmus Lerdorf and
Hey,
clip
The same would happen if I did everything myself. Within days of
self-publishing a eBook, it would be on a pirate site. At least with a
publisher, legal copies do get sold, and I do get a return on the time
invested, even though it's not as much as I would like.
/clip
Also depends on
On 24/07/07, Ryan A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey,
clip
The same would happen if I did everything myself. Within days of
self-publishing a eBook, it would be on a pirate site. At least with a
publisher, legal copies do get sold, and I do get a return on the time
invested, even though it's not as
Hey,
Instead of clip tags, I recommend that you configure your mail client
to prepend a greater than sign to quotes. It's rather customary, if
not standard.
Sorry about that, its driving me crazy too. I have to manually do it if I want
it (like above). It used to work before... then suddenly
At 12:00 PM +0100 7/23/07, David Powers wrote:
The Harry Potter books have sold an estimated 325 million copies.
Even if the author gets only 10 cents a book, that adds up to $32.5
million. I'm sure she gets a lot more than 10 cents a book, but it's
the number of books sold that makes the real
On Monday 23 July 2007, tedd wrote:
At 4:21 PM +0100 7/23/07, Richard Davey wrote:
Hi Crayon,
Monday, July 23, 2007, 4:09:57 PM, you wrote:
On Monday 23 July 2007 22:26, Larry Garfield wrote:
So when does Rasmus Lerdorf and the Deathly Hallows open in
theaters?
They've got to
AmirBehzad Eslami wrote:
I'm living in a country where people do not afford to buy real books.
Most people earn $250~$400 per month. $50 for a book is too damn
expensive. In addition, since US has restricted business with us,
no body ships books to us. And we don't have Credit Card, since
Master
Chris Shiflett wrote:
David Powers wrote:
I suspect that your estimate of the advances paid by Apress/friends of
Ed is inflated.
Based on the fact that this is almost identical to every other publisher
(O'Reilly, Sams, etc.), and based on the fact that Richard said he has a
lot of experience
clip
However, don't be under any illusion that the pirates are
good-hearted philanthropists taking from the rich and giving to the
poor. The best known pirate site sells advertising - a small banner
reportedly costs $5,000 a month, and a larger one $10,000 a month.
/clip
Actually, most
Ryan A wrote:
Just wanted to clear up the misconception that the main people who start copying (RIAA/MPAA slang
pirates) are making money. So the real rogues... or pirates... are the siteowners, but
when the site itself is named thepiratebay its not exactly like they dont already know
it.
On Sunday 22 July 2007 18:13, David Powers wrote:
That's why books keep on
coming. The situation in the music industry is similar.
Perhaps you authors should make greater use of things like www.lulu.com
where you can dictate the terms and cut out the middle-men. But if you're
relying on the
On Sunday 22 July 2007 23:05, Ryan A wrote:
Let me give you an example, Adam buys your book/cd/ or a video,
rips it into digital format and uploads it onto...say... thepiratebay
(since thats where you found your book's links) Adam does not make a
cent by doing so,
Not exactly, Adam's
Hey,
clip David
Piracy, unauthorized copying, call it what you will, involves a chain.
Perhaps if the poor saps who make the unauthorized copies realized just
how they're being exploited, things might change.
/clip David
Sorry, but disagree with you here, the poor saps know the site owners
On Saturday 21 July 2007 04:15, Tijnema wrote:
Old paper can be recycled, lost energy from computers can't ;)
Recycling old paper use energy as well.
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Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
On Saturday 21 July 2007 04:15, Tijnema wrote:
Old paper can be recycled, lost energy from computers can't ;)
Recycling old paper use energy as well.
more then likely, recycling a stack of newspapers would cost more then
running my computer for a month.
--
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On Saturday 21 July 2007 16:20, Jim Lucas wrote:
more then likely, recycling a stack of newspapers would cost more then
running my computer for a month.
Also reminds me of how some people (especially Americans) who drive miles
and miles in their big gas-guzzling SUVs so they could drop off
On 21/07/07, Crayon Shin Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Saturday 21 July 2007 04:15, Tijnema wrote:
Old paper can be recycled, lost energy from computers can't ;)
Recycling old paper use energy as well.
Oh, the entropy! I believe that the topic was well covered in Asimov's
The Last
Richard Lynch wrote:
I've got a pretty good idea what your advance was, and what your
royalties are.
I suspect that your estimate of the advances paid by Apress/friends of
Ed is inflated. Royalties are no secret: Apress publishes its standard
contract on the web for prospective authors to
David Powers wrote:
I suspect that your estimate of the advances paid by Apress/friends of
Ed is inflated. Royalties are no secret: Apress publishes its standard
contract on the web for prospective authors to see. The basic rate is
10% of the net income received by the publisher. Since heavy
I'm living in a country where people do not afford to buy real books.
Most people earn $250~$400 per month. $50 for a book is too damn
expensive. In addition, since US has restricted business with us,
no body ships books to us. And we don't have Credit Card, since
Master Card, Visa, Paypal do not
On 22/07/07, AmirBehzad Eslami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm living in a country where people do not afford to buy real books.
Most people earn $250~$400 per month. $50 for a book is too damn
expensive. In addition, since US has restricted business with us,
no body ships books to us. And we don't
Hey,
Sorry your work was stolen but dont hold your breath waiting for that site to
close down. I have no idea who your publishers are but I _reay_ doubt they
have more clout than M$, the MPAA, RIAA, SONY, Pixar etc coz they went after
thepiratebay and looked like fools:
On 19/07/07, Zoltán Németh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I didn't want to get involved in this thread, though it was interesting
to read...
However, an idea just came into my mind: what if you, as the author,
could offer a download for a price which would be the same as what you
get after a sold
On 7/20/07, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 19/07/07, Zoltán Németh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I didn't want to get involved in this thread, though it was interesting
to read...
However, an idea just came into my mind: what if you, as the author,
could offer a download for a price
On 20/07/07, Tijnema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
An additional benefit is that there are those who _prefer_ the
electronic version to the dead trees. At least, I do.
Dotan Cohen
Old paper can be recycled, lost energy from computers can't ;)
Tijnema
My reference to dead trees was not meant
On 7/21/07, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 20/07/07, Tijnema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
An additional benefit is that there are those who _prefer_ the
electronic version to the dead trees. At least, I do.
Dotan Cohen
Old paper can be recycled, lost energy from computers can't ;)
On Wed, July 18, 2007 6:13 am, David Powers wrote:
Richard Lynch wrote:
You probably have made far more from your book than most rock
artists,
and surprisingly more than some of the rock stars with
particularly
bad contracts, or who have only had one hit song.
I'm glad you have such a high
On Thu, July 19, 2007 1:38 pm, tedd wrote:
At 8:52 AM -0500 7/19/07, Larry Garfield wrote:
On Thursday 19 July 2007, Daniel Brown wrote:
the middle-men being cut out, and that's how you get exclusivity
contracts,
DRM, and similar anti-artist and anti-consumer bad things.
I interpreted the bad
On 16/07/07, Crayon Shin Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 16 July 2007 19:42, Dotan Cohen wrote:
I guess that I'm naive. I've gotten a few what's the address
requests, but none from authors...
What makes you think any of the authors are subscribed to this list? Even
if some are, what
On 16/07/07, Mark Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi.
On Monday 16 July 2007 12:42, Dotan Cohen wrote:
So, suckers, I'm with you now, and I'll start pirating again.
This is a real shame (not to mention a foolish thing to post to a publicly
archived mailing list). As a user of open source
On 17/07/07, David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
What makes you think any of the authors are subscribed to this list?
I am subscribed to this list, and I'm disgusted that somebody posted the
URL to the pirate site. I see that more than 2,000 copies of my PHP
Dotan Cohen wrote:
David, I am the OP, and I have not posted the URL to the pirate site.
Nor did I see it posted anywhere. Check the email, maybe someone else
sent it to you directly.
Dotan, I'm fully aware that you didn't post the URL, and I apologize if
my post gave the impression that you
2007. 07. 19, csütörtök keltezéssel 13.28-kor David Powers ezt írta:
Dotan Cohen wrote:
David, I am the OP, and I have not posted the URL to the pirate site.
Nor did I see it posted anywhere. Check the email, maybe someone else
sent it to you directly.
Dotan, I'm fully aware that you
On 7/19/07, Zoltán Németh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2007. 07. 19, csütörtök keltezéssel 13.28-kor David Powers ezt írta:
Dotan Cohen wrote:
David, I am the OP, and I have not posted the URL to the pirate site.
Nor did I see it posted anywhere. Check the email, maybe someone else
sent it to
On Thursday 19 July 2007, Daniel Brown wrote:
I didn't want to get involved in this thread, though it was interesting
to read...
However, an idea just came into my mind: what if you, as the author,
could offer a download for a price which would be the same as what you
get after a sold
The problem with that, though, is that a lot of publishers require
exclusivity, so an author is bound (no pun intended) by contract not
to publish elsewhere - including on their own website.
The idea of even offering an electronic version should be to drive sales for
the hard copy.
Jim Moseby wrote:
The problem with that, though, is that a lot of publishers require
exclusivity, so an author is bound (no pun intended) by contract not
to publish elsewhere - including on their own website.
The idea of even offering an electronic version should be to drive sales for
On 7/19/07, Austin Denyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim Moseby wrote:
The problem with that, though, is that a lot of publishers require
exclusivity, so an author is bound (no pun intended) by contract not
to publish elsewhere - including on their own website.
The idea of even offering
At 8:52 AM -0500 7/19/07, Larry Garfield wrote:
On Thursday 19 July 2007, Daniel Brown wrote:
The problem with that, though, is that a lot of publishers require
exclusivity, so an author is bound (no pun intended) by contract not
to publish elsewhere - including on their own website.
The idea of even offering an electronic version should be to drive
sales for the hard copy. Maybe offer a Condensed Version
electronically, that has enough content that readers can get enough
of
a feel for the product to drive a buying decision. Throughout, make
reference to the full
Richard Lynch wrote:
You probably have made far more from your book than most rock artists,
and surprisingly more than some of the rock stars with particularly
bad contracts, or who have only had one hit song.
I'm glad you have such a high opinion of the earning power of my books.
It is
At 6:02 PM -0400 7/17/07, Chris Shiflett wrote:
Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
What makes you think any of the authors are subscribed to this list?
I'm subscribed. :-)
Chris
Chris:
Yeah, but you're a successful author and understand why people
shouldn't Pirate books. As such, your opinion
At 11:12 PM +0800 7/16/07, Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
They might be on vacation, they might be in a coma.
Or both.
tedd
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At 11:12 PM +0800 7/16/07, Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
They might be on vacation, they might be in a coma.
Or both.
tedd
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On 7/16/07, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just found some jerk on StumbleUpon with titles like:
PHP Essentials (c)2007 (Neil Smyth)
PHP Cookbook (David Sklar/Adam Trachtenberg)
PHP 5 Power Programming (c)2005 (Andi Gutmans/Stig Bakken/Derick Rethans )
A Programmer's Introduction to PHP
Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
What makes you think any of the authors are subscribed to this list?
I'm subscribed. :-)
Chris
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I believe the entire post may have been tongue in cheek and/or sarcasm...
But I wasn't sure either...
[shrug]
You can be sure that a heck of a lot more important/disturbing things
remain on the 'net than this, either way. :-)
On Mon, July 16, 2007 7:20 am, Mark Kelly wrote:
Hi.
On Monday 16
On Mon, July 16, 2007 6:06 pm, David Powers wrote:
Stut wrote:
Movie companies and rock artists make
more money before breakfast than the author of a computer-related book
is likely to make in a whole year (at least from book royalties).
U. No.
The numbers you see in the newspaper/media
Hi.
On Monday 16 July 2007 12:42, Dotan Cohen wrote:
So, suckers, I'm with you now, and I'll start pirating again.
This is a real shame (not to mention a foolish thing to post to a publicly
archived mailing list). As a user of open source technology you are
benefiting directly from the PHP
http://www.thepiratebay.org
On Monday 16 July 2007 14:42:25 Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 16/07/07, Austin C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dont be so harsh. I used to torrent PHP books, and everyone I turrented,
I ended up buying from a book store so I could take it with me. So, that
kind of stuff
On 16/07/07, Austin C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dont be so harsh. I used to torrent PHP books, and everyone I turrented, I
ended up buying from a book store so I could take it with me. So, that kind
of stuff actually helped me. But, ive stopped torrenting now.
I guess that I'm naive. I've
Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 16/07/07, Austin C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dont be so harsh. I used to torrent PHP books, and everyone I
turrented, I
ended up buying from a book store so I could take it with me. So, that
kind
of stuff actually helped me. But, ive stopped torrenting now.
I guess that
On Monday 16 July 2007 19:42, Dotan Cohen wrote:
I guess that I'm naive. I've gotten a few what's the address
requests, but none from authors...
What makes you think any of the authors are subscribed to this list? Even
if some are, what makes you think they monitor the list 24/7? They might
Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
What makes you think any of the authors are subscribed to this list?
I am subscribed to this list, and I'm disgusted that somebody posted the
URL to the pirate site. I see that more than 2,000 copies of my PHP
Solutions: Dynamic Web Design Made Easy have been
David Powers wrote:
Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
What makes you think any of the authors are subscribed to this list?
I am subscribed to this list, and I'm disgusted that somebody posted the
URL to the pirate site. I see that more than 2,000 copies of my PHP
Solutions: Dynamic Web Design Made
Stut wrote:
I'm not defending what they do, but
don't expect it to go anywhere - it's proven several times to be
untouchable and is likely here to stay for a very long time.
I'm not naive enough to believe that piracy can be stopped. Sadly, the
publicity surrounding such sites and their
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