Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-23 Thread Larry Garfield
Sales tax isn't the point with SOPA/PIPA. Thinks like the government being able to force any site off the Internet at the ISP / DNS level on the say-so of a private corporation are the point. And no, that's not a defensible or acceptable position. Breaking the Internet to prop up industries

Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-23 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 13:31 -0500, Larry Garfield wrote: Sales tax isn't the point with SOPA/PIPA. Thinks like the government being able to force any site off the Internet at the ISP / DNS level on the say-so of a private corporation are the point. And no, that's not a defensible or

Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-21 Thread With No Name
On Fri, July 20, 2012 10:04, Lester Caine wrote: In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete

Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-20 Thread Lester Caine
Paul M Foster wrote: Here's another one: There are currently discussions in the U.S. Congress in favor of forcing internet vendors to charge sales tax on*all* sales, regardless of whether the vendor has a presence in that state or not. Imagine having to file state sales tax returns in 50

Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-20 Thread Paul M Foster
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 09:04:30AM +0100, Lester Caine wrote: Paul M Foster wrote: Here's another one: There are currently discussions in the U.S. Congress in favor of forcing internet vendors to charge sales tax on*all* sales, regardless of whether the vendor has a presence in that state or

RE: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-20 Thread Jeff Burcher
-Original Message- From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 4:05 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal Paul M Foster wrote: Here's another one: There are currently discussions in the U.S

Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-20 Thread Lester Caine
Paul M Foster wrote: There are two sides to every problem and simply fighting for one side is as bad. What is needed is a reasoned debate rather than things like 'The Cat Signal' which personally I find as objectionable as the laws it's complaining about! The real problem is the VAT tax

[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
2012.07.19. 20:21, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net ezt írta: Forwarding to php-webmas...@lists.php.net, as it's not a general user issue where it pertains to php.net. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, I just became aware of this:

[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Kris Craig
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: 2012.07.19. 20:21, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net ezt írta: Forwarding to php-webmas...@lists.php.net, as it's not a general user issue where it pertains to php.net. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kris Craig

[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: 2012.07.19. 20:21, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net ezt írta: Forwarding to php-webmas...@lists.php.net, as it's not a general user issue where it pertains to php.net. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kris Craig

RE: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Jeff Burcher
@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: 2012.07.19. 20:21, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net ezt írta: Forwarding to php-webmas...@lists.php.net, as it's not a general user issue

Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Lester Caine
Jeff Burcher wrote: I have been out of the loop and just did some quick skimming of SOPA/PIPA to see what all the fuss was about. PIPA seems a little vague, but SOPA seems pretty straight forward, stop piracy of copyrighted materials. I don't understand what is wrong with that? It depends on

RE: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Jeff Burcher
...@allredmetal.com -Original Message- From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:10 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal Jeff Burcher wrote: I have been out of the loop and just did some quick

[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement. He is everywhere. But I thought we

[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Kris Craig
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us

[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster

[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Kris Craig
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Hannes Magnusson hannes.magnus...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we

[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Hannes Magnusson hannes.magnus...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ferenc Kovacs

Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Paul M Foster
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 03:45:46PM -0400, Jeff Burcher wrote: Hi, I have been out of the loop and just did some quick skimming of SOPA/PIPA to see what all the fuss was about. PIPA seems a little vague, but SOPA seems pretty straight forward, stop piracy of copyrighted materials. I don't